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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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32ce01 No.18944

there are different branches of islam, there is any of them that aproves tabacco, alcohol and pork?

32ce01 No.18946

>>18944

>any of them that aproves tabacco, alcohol and pork?

Alcohol and pork? Absolutely disallowed.

Tobacco? Discouraged, but not disallowed.


32ce01 No.18954

Islam is pretty explicit in saying that alcohol and pork are haraam. I've heard differing opinions on ethanol-based products, like mouthwash, but wine and other alcoholic drinks aren't allowed. Alcohol and pork substitutes, like non-alcoholic drinks and turkey prepared to taste like ham, are allowed.

The main two branches in Islam are Sunni and Shia. There are other sects but they don't have much claim to being the "real" Islam.


32ce01 No.18955

Convert to Islam, and keep doing what you were doing. Trust me you wouldn't be alone


32ce01 No.18958

>>18955

True. It's rare to find a Muslim who follows Islam 100% unless someone's watching them.


32ce01 No.18959

Real islam???

I personally know many NOI members and 5%ers

And their deen is more 'real' than most of the sunnis that I know that cliam 'real islam'

wallahi


32ce01 No.18961

>>18944

The quran forbids these things.

If you are addicted and want to quit, then you can convert and slowly quit.

But if you think there is nothing wrong with consuming this filth, then don't convert neither we or Allah want you.


32ce01 No.18962

>>18959

>NOI members and 5%ers

LMAO [foul language]ing [racist epithet]s


32ce01 No.18964

>>18944

Making permissible what is clearly forbidden nullifies your religion. If a branch of Islam made these things permissible, they are not really part of Islam.


32ce01 No.18967

>>18964

to add to this. drinking alcohol does not nullifie your islam. saying alcohol is permissible nullifie your islam even if you don't drink it.


32ce01 No.18969

Islam forbids these things, but the Quran is a bit more unclear.

On Pork - the Quran talks about pigs in derogatory words, but on the part where it says don't eat pork, a different word is used, translated its "unclean meat". In 700 AD, that could have meant Pork or it could have meant, rotten dirty meat or animals we don't normally eat. Personally, I will go by what my modern day society that I live in (Texas) and assume that the flesh of pets, sick animals, and cheap meat.

Chinese Muslims eat pork, like they've eaten Pork for the few thousand years before Islam showed up.

The Quran prohibits getting wasted, but Wine is spoken of positively. It's pretty much says, avoid drinking it, since there's more negatives than positives.

No mention of tobacco anywhere. I'm an ex-smoker, [foul language] cigarettes, the [foul language] should be haraam anyway. So if I was a mullah, I would be finding ways to pretty much tell my flock that smoking is haraam, when it isn't.

So there you go, there's the Quran, and then there's Islam.


32ce01 No.18970

>>18969

Islam includes the hadith.


32ce01 No.18972

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>>18969

First surah about alcohol is the "It's bad but has some good in it. The bad outweighs the good" one. Second is "Don't go to prayer drunk or you won't know what you're saying".

Copying off quran.com, but the third is:

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful." 5:90

And when that verse was revealed people were told to spill all the alcohol they had left and spit out any they were drinking. That seems like a very direct way of banning alcohol.

>There's the Quran and then there's Islam

Islam = Quran + hadith + rulings. The Quran might be immutable but that doesn't mean it's the only part you can trust. The Quran on it's own is like Finnegan's Wake, but still makes some kind of sense to someone who isn't a master of the language. Try reading that without any translator's notes or guidance.


32ce01 No.18976

>>18969

ban this Quranist


32ce01 No.18981

>>18970

How do you deal with the fact that some of the Hadith are factually incorrect?


32ce01 No.18982

>>18981

Hadith are studied by scholars and determined to be authentic or not. If the hadith is authentic, then it's part of Islam. It is permissible to question hadith, but not to outright reject them all.

The Prophet(pbuh) was the living Qur'an and the embodiment of Allah's will and he is to be obeyed, however there have been unscrupulous people throughout history who have added things that shouldn't be there - usually to enforce a political goal. That's why we study them and their authenticity.


32ce01 No.18983

>>18982

I'm not talking about the Hadith which prescribe to Muslims how one should live or conduct oneself, but the ones that suggest certain historical events or scientific phenomena are absloutely true when those claims are dubious.


32ce01 No.18984

>>18983

I'm not so sure you're talking about hadith.


32ce01 No.18992

>>18946

You can however be a a muslim and drink and eat pork. Those things are major sins in islam but they are not kuffer, so one can be a muslim even if he were committing major sins.


32ce01 No.18998

>>18992

but op is asking if its OKAY to do this

its not, filthy sisi supporter


32ce01 No.19014

>>18958

>>18958

it's pretty sad considering that ihsan is a thing in Islam.

and just because your brother in Islam doesn't do it, does not give you a blank check to not do it either.


32ce01 No.19017

>>19014

People forget that Allah is always watching.


32ce01 No.19034

>>18944

>converting to a sect of Islam to accommodate yourself

You change yourself to fit into Islam, you don't change Islam to fit yourself mate. Repent and give up that stuff!


32ce01 No.19040

>>19034

Well hold on there. The Ulema has changed Islam to accommodate their respective societies since the very beginning. You know well what a man does is between him and Allah, and that includes how he chooses to follow Islam and make it a part of his life.

I feel entirely justified in having a beer with my Christian friends, it's a social interaction that made our bond stronger. I'm happy I ate a hot dog of questionable origin when I was out with my friends,we all shared a meal and had a great time. I honestly believe if your living in a secular society and choose to not interact with it and enjoy harmless fun (not observing dietary or clothing laws) with secular or non-Muslim friends, you're a [foul language]ty Muslim. Islam is not here to divide us from the secular world, and as Muslims we must Step forward and live in it.


32ce01 No.19043

>>19040

Claiming something is acceptable when it is a clear sin nullifies your Islam. We are not here to "fit in" with those around us, rather we are here as Allah's ambassadors. We lead by example.


32ce01 No.19052

>>19040

t.(((moderate muslim)))


32ce01 No.19053

>>19052

back to /pol/ please


32ce01 No.19056

>>19052

>moderate muslim

I still don't know what that term means. One either is, or is not, Muslim. There aren't varying degrees of Islam.

Saying "moderate Muslim" is like saying "sort of pregnant". It makes no sense.


32ce01 No.19059

>>19052

Hey now, Moderate Muslims are not those who drink or any of that.

Just ones that don't follow Radical Islam.


32ce01 No.19118

There is none my dear friend..




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