/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

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this won't be a good board to discuss that.

Other than their flag, nothing about them is Islamic.

10/10 bro 10/10

>>18940

NSA apply yourself

>>18965

it's cute,simple and effective.

>>18965

Even in a child's writing, shahadah is the core of Islam. The ISIS flag also contains the seal of Muhammad(pbuh). So, as childish as it may appear, their flag is the only thing Islamic about them.

>>18942

>>18963

You can always use Tor. you should probably thank the kuffar for that.

>>18940

I've heard a lot of ahadith that talk about them, the most famous is the "people of the black flags" hadith.

And most of the scholars have said that they are "al khawarig" (الخوارج)

A lot of Islamic scholars got together to list all the stuff ISIS does wrong: http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

If you don't want to visit the site, here's the summary:

>Islam forbids the issuing of fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. One must consider the entire Qur’an and Hadith, when delivering them;

>It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic language

>It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.

>It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.

>It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.

>Islam forbids killing of the innocent, emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.

>Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

>It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

>It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or any ‘People of the Scripture’.

>It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Book.

>The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

>It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert

>Islam forbids to deny women and children their rights.

>Enacting legal punishments without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

>It is haraam to mutilate the dead and to torture people.

>It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to Allah.

>Armed insurrection (baghy) is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

>It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.

>Loyalty to one’s country is permissible;

>After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

Funnily enough one of the big guys who supports ISIS doubled down and claimed that everyone who signed the list wasn't a real Muslim.

>>18990

That's good stuff! I will definitely be using that list.

you know… you guys are quick to say what 'isis' does wrong….

i can one by one pick apart #18990 post…

if you have seen the state of muslims around the world you would realize that isis is not half as bad as the 'western world'

im in america and the amount of ignorance and racism and violence in my communitty is more than enough for my family to flee here too… too bad we cant tho

i have fam in suriya , turkiy , and australia and they all have lost much…. but my family in america lost the most… they lost their deen

>>18993

>>18994

The thread is asking about ISIS, not about your weak family.

>>18995

LOL

>>18995

One of the best verbal slaps I've seen in a while.

Hmm lets see:

A group that is probably the most fervent about their faith doing everything their faith commands. I would say 9. Sure no one follows their faith to the letter but they are more faithful in their convictions and followings than most.

>>19029

Their faith is not Islam, thus they are not Islamic. Whatever they're following they may do so very well, but it ain't Islam.

>>19030

The sky is red the moon is a square I am 10 meters long.

See I can say nonsense too :)

>>19031

why is my flag like this. last I checked my country is still on the map lol.

>>19031

Speaking nonsense is not the same thing as proving one's Islam. ISIS deliberately and systemically breaks pretty much every Islamic law when it comes to warfare and the things outlined here: >>18990

Calling ISIS Islamic is like calling someone who doesn't believe in Christ "Christian" simply because he says he is Christian. We don't just go around making up definitions to suit our narrative.

>>19032

Are you sure? Better check the map!

It happens sometimes with VPNs

>>18965

The circle in the bottom is the Prophet's seal (God give him peace and blessings), which he used to sign letters and contracts

>>18990

>Jihad in Islam is defensive war.

Not true. Unless you want to accuse Umar ibn al Khattab of not following Islam.

>It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Book.

Also false. They worship a peacock.

>The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

It was abolished by Western imperial pressure. Muslims resisted its abolition, and it is still practiced in Mauritania, which Hamza Yusuf claims has the purest Islam

>>It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert

Unless they are murtad, or in the opinion of Imam Ahmad and Imam Shafii, if they are mushrikeen.

>>Islam forbids to deny women and children their rights.

Women have more rights in ISIS Territory than in the rest of the world (they can drive and fight in jihad, for example)

>>Armed insurrection (baghy) is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

Which Assad clearly fits the bill.

That list is filled with ahistorical flaws, which makes it hard for Muslim who are serious about the deen to take it seriously.

>>19087

I was going to respond to it then I saw >After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

This is definitely not done by any knowledgeable scholar.

>>19095

>be wahabi monkey

>think you can defeat the west with the weakest weapons they invented and sold to you

>dont realize they can wipe you out in 1 minute if it was really necessary

>not knowing isis is ex saddam era baathists working with cia

>>19141

I am not going to start throwing insults even though you are asking for it. I am not going to give it to you.

if you look in history you would know that muslims have never won by numbers or weapon. we were always outnumbered and the enemies always had better weapons yet we won because we had Allah on our side.

>>not knowing isis is ex saddam era baathists working with cia

No you are wrong. ISIS is actually an iranian-saudi-American-british terror organization that is fighting all of them.

>>19144

Except muslims always had equal technology with their enemy. At the time it was spears, bows and swords, now its drones and missiles.

>>19152

I would stand up against drones and missiles with rocks and stones if the cause were righteous and Allah was on my side.

>>19156

Yeah, but the point is we have to be at least on par or try to make our own weapons. Good intentions first, then Allah will help.