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8b0553  No.18593

Assalamu aleykum. Dear muslims what do you think about him? He is founder of Bayyinah and has lot of Islamic lectures.Nouman is loved by teenagers. Personally I liked some of his lectures. Moreover he did lot of efforts to teach arabic.

8b0553  No.18634

I think he is good. Very logical. Proof that murtad should not be killed.


8b0553  No.18636

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>>18593

He is definitely one of my most favorite Muslim speakers. He is very knowledgeable about Islam but also has the great skill of being able to communicate that knowledge to the youth.


8b0553  No.18637

>>18593

Anything that brings people closer to Allah without the need for "radicalizing" is a good thing.


8b0553  No.18741

He's truly one of the few Muslims adequately prepared for the new plane of debate, though he sometimes has a hard time admitting mistakes in his reasoning so that he can then come to his conclusion in a more correct way.


862c95  No.22429

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Nouman Ali Khan should stick to Arabic and Quran teaching. He is not qualified to discuss tafsir or give khutbahs. And for all his tafsir he never mentions any of the ayaat where Allah awj mentions His attributes. This is because he doesn't understand them because he doesn't have aqeedah.


862c95  No.22430

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Nouman Ali Khan vs Yasir Qadhi re: Aqeedah


5786c1  No.22436

>>18593

In general he is good at talking about the fundamentals of the deen,and he is a very good orator of Islamic doctrine especially in the current world climate. I did however lose a lot of respect for him when he said "Khilafah is not obligatory"


e7a9a7  No.23947

What are your thoughts on the allegations against Nouman Ali Khan? Personally I think it smells like a whole lot of bs. So far no proof has been given what-so-ever. It's claimed that it's to keep the details of the "victims" private, but what then is the point of making this whole thing public before a legal verdict has been reached, or a confession issued? We're expected to determine facts based on personalities. So-and-so is trusted so his allegation must be true, and it's been corroborated by another so-and-so. But if you choose to give NAK the benefit of the doubt instead then you're accused of just following personalities, go figure. A lot of fulaan but not a lot of burhaan.

Then there's the issue of the allegations themselves. What exactly is being claimed here? Basically, adult women being impressed by his fame consented to sexual relations. This then supposedly makes them victims and he a sexual predator. But this is rejected because we're talking about adults, not five year olds. So either we say that this is nonsensical, or we say that adult muslim women are mentally deficient and devoid of agency, and should in fact be locked up at home to protect them. This latter is really the only logical conclusion should we accept the validity of the allegations, since if middle aged muslim women can't even take a class without losing themselves entirely, then what should they be doing outside?

Of course the objection to this is that well NAK is in a position of power so this is abuse, like in the case of college professors having sexual relations with students. But this is rejected for the following reasons:

>NAK is famous because of his audience. He has not been placed into power by any governing or academic authority. Why aren't we accusing every single movie star for being rapists? Is their fame not relevant to them getting with women? Of course it is. Their female fans would be overjoyed to sleep with their favorite actor. But we don't want to admit that muslim women are in fact women as well, and that we're dealing with muslim fangirls.

>In the case of college professors they have a say in the student's future. Not so much for NAK. He can't promise them a degree for sleeping with him. So as I said above, we're dealing with fangirls, not 19 year old college students just trying to get their degree.

>All women have power/influence over men simply for being women. One could just as well say that women are using their female charms to seduce him. In fact, had the genders been reversed, everyone would be laughing themselves silly at the idea that men would have been victims. So again we see the double standards.

I'd also like to draw attention to some of the details laid out in Mozaffar's facebook post. Of course as mentioned above, no actual evidence of any sexual crimes are provided, most of the post is just fear-mongering. If there were any evidence then someone would be in jail right now.

He writes

>In a meeting with the above scholars and myself, Nouman agreed to stop public speeches until further notice, to get professional and religious counseling, and to cease all contact with those women.

and continues

>This brings us to where we are today. Nouman has now broken his agreement with us

So what kind of shady contract was this exactly? From the above it seems that the contract entailed that NAK had to stop his teaching, or else they would expose him to the public as a sexual predator(without proof), which is what they're trying to do now. This certainly sounds a lot like blackmail if you ask me. Very suspicious.

The conclusion I come to is that there's something more going on in the american dawah scene that we're left out of. Reading the allegations you'll see that VERY little detail about the abuses themselves are actually provided. Why? Because they know it sounds freaking ridiculous to call someone a sexual predator for having consensual relations with 30 year old women. So instead we get vague words and a whole lot of fear-mongering.


30003f  No.23948

Consensual zina is still zina and if this occured then the women and NAK must be punished according to sharia. If non-consensual zina ocurred then obviously only NAK should be punished. And if these allegations are false then the women must be punished. That's the sharii perspective.

My personal thoughts are that - if these allegations are true in the slightest - it means NAK transgressed against not just the girls but entire families whose honor was violated. This should be a wakeup call for muslims to return our religion and keep our women in the company of mahram men as much as possible. And barring that, in large groups of sisters.

And even though I disagreed with a lot of his teachings - as my old posts itt show - this is a very upsetting fitna that doesn't help anyone. This is another wake-up call to the Muslims that we should not put charismatic ustadhs da'ees on a pedestal like our real Ulema.

If these claims are true and I hope theyre not then this stems from a lack of practicing Islam. Nouman is successful and could have afforded four wives, why flee from it? We know about the established concept of chaperone in Islam, why flee from it? The problem is we know the answers to both those questions: convenience/culture. Well then perhaps the question should be why flee from these islamic principles and expect beneficial outcomes?


9cae9b  No.23949

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Student of Knowledge, Moosa Richardson called out NAK repeatedly over years such as in the videos in this thread - now he refuses to engage in rumor-mongering. He notes the same people who chatter against salafi dawah are the ones spreading these rumors. Chatterers will chatter.

If the claims have hard evidence then they should be presented together. Total failure of the American "scholars" to announce this on a random man's facebook post.


e7a9a7  No.23951

>>23949

>If the claims have hard evidence then they should be presented together.

I doubt we'll see any such thing. People will realize how silly the allegations sound if grown women stepped forward and started claiming they were "tricked". The more vague claims the better since then people are more easily convinced we're dealing with innocent, naive, young girls and not adults.

>Total failure of the American "scholars" to announce this on a random man's facebook post.

I don't know what they were thinking either. NAK has audience worldwide. The man writing the allegation is supposedly respected in their american suburb or whatever, but why on earth would anyone outside their circle take his word on it?


4284da  No.23952


e7a9a7  No.23953

>>23952

Just as I thought, nothing but slander and blackmail.


9b2f83  No.23955

>>18593

We need evidence, for now this thread will be locked because this board is not for sensationalist drama


51ceb9  No.24207

I'd like to share a thought about Brother Nouman.

When I was disowned by my family and struggling I told Br. Nouman and he gave me a year of Bayyinah lessons for free. May Allah reward the brother and protect him from gheebah. And may Allah grant him pious wives that guard the secrets of their personal life. Ameen.




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