/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>18265

it all happened because ISIS was defeated I guess that's a sign :)

Future Saudi security depends on them getting the F35 lightning 2.

If they don't get that then what you dreamed might happen.

Consider it an omen.

>>18267

No, they were different.

>>18271

Really? I noticed that the saudi army is pretty incompetent in yemen, they are ok with airstrikes but that's only because yemen has no air defense systems. But if Iran installs it's s-300 rockets near their bases maybe their jets won't be useful anymore. Do you really think that the F-35 will really be a game changer?

>>18265

Wouldn't a huge sunni uprising against iran happen if this were to play out?

once they run out of oil and the money dries up you'll see that country falling to [foul language].

>>18275

Yeah the F35 will give them the upper hand against Iran.

Defence analysts actually reckon without it Iran could go to war with Saudi.

How true that is, or whether it's a way to get more arms sales is debateable, but I know nothing about the details of why exactly, but I think it is seen as a sign of the level of US support.

But Saudi Arabia desperately want the F35, they're convince it is true.

The USA don't want to supply it, as things stand.

Who knows what Trump will do. He likes to think of himself as a dealmaker so he probably would do it.

Then again he might not do, to suck up to Putin.

>>18277

I am not too sure about that most sunni arabs are like sheep. They just obey the harshest leader.

>>18278

They already reached peak production, it's in downfall right now. That is why the united states started extracting it's own shale gas and reduced it's imports from saudi arabia. Their geologists know they don't have much reserves left.

>>18279

Trump also wants saudis to pay them for protection. Israel is opposed to the US F-35 deal with Saudis because they want them and they don't want them to be used against them in the future. We will have to see what happens after isis is disbanded. I give them around 1 or 2 years. I think in that time frame Iran would have fully consolidated power in iraq with their militias and their political proxies in the iraqi parliament.

>>18265

Good discussion, but dreams don't mean anything. Interpretation of dreams is too close to witchcraft for my taste.

>>18291

What about the dreams of the prophets?

>>18294

You're not a prophet.

>>18299

I'm not saying I am, my point was that prophets interpreted dreams and it's not witchcraft. Normal people can also receive dreams that have meaning, it is accepted by most scholars I think. Don't know what salafis believe on that maybe that's what you are I don't know.

Relevant

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161129-saudi-arabia-foreign-reserves-fall-by-11-billion-in-october/?platform=hootsuite

>>18301

I'm not saying it's haram or anything. I just expressed a personal opinion on the matter. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it can't exist.

>>18335

Well the quran disagrees with you fam.

>"And [one day] the King said: Behold, I saw [in a dream] seven fat cows being devoured by seven emaciated ones, and seven green ears [of wheat] next to [seven] others that were withered. O you nobles! Enlighten me about [the meaning of] my dream, if you are able to interpret dreams!" - 12:43 "

>[And he went to see Joseph in the prison and said to him:] "Joseph, O thou truthful one! Enlighten us about [the meaning of a dream in which] seven fat cows were being devoured by seven emaciated ones, and seven green ears [of wheat appeared] next to [seven] others that were withered - so that I may return [with thy explanation] unto the people [of the court, and] that they may come to know [what manner of man thou art]!" - 12:46

The king is a normal man, and had a dream which was interpreted by Yusuf (A.S).

>>18338

Still, it was a prophet who interpreted the dream. Nobody here is a prophet, so nobody here can interpret dreams. Also, just because Allah permits something does not mean it is obligatory.

>>18342

You went form "dreams don't mean anything" to "nobody can interpret dreams".

Don't change the goal posts in an argument.

>>18343

Are you trying to pick a fight? I'll say it for him:

Nobody alive can interpret dreams AND dreams don't mean a damn thing.

Try >>>/wicca/

>>18347

Clearly if dreams are interpreted in the quran ten they mean something. Are you even muslim?

>>18349

One King's dream meant something. That doesn't mean all dreams mean something.

>>18352

Well that's your opinion and I don't respect it.

>>18356

That's not my opinion, it is fact.

Are you the king mentioned in 12:43? No. Your dream doesn't matter.

Is anyone here a prophet? No. Your dream cannot be interpreted.

I don't think you really had that dream at all, to be honest. Nobody dreams with that much detail. Even the king of 12:43 had a very strange and confusing dream, hence the need for interpretation. Your dream has specifics that need no interpretation.

At least own up to your lie.

>>18357

I don't know if you know this but the vast majority, probably all, muslim scholars agree that normal people dreams can be interpreted. There are even islamic dream interpretation books. And yes detailed dreams do happen, you just never experienced one yet. Why are you so bitter? Do you fear my dream happening in real life?

>>18359

Muhammad Ibn Siren's work aside, you've still yet to address the idea that "because it is permissible, it is obligatory".

It is permissible to eat turtles, but is it obligatory? I don't like turtle meat, personally, but according to the logic you've used, I am "potentially not Muslim" for not forcing myself to eat it.

Permissible != Obligatory

You're trying to force something that cannot be done. Dream interpretation is a form of divination, which is most assuredly NOT permissible. How about you just discuss your idea without demanding divination.

>Do you fear my dream happening in real life?

I fear nothing except Allah.

>>18362

I never said or implied it was obligatory. I just posted it here to see what others thought. If you don't like it then you don't have to post here. Sure, with your basic understanding dreams cannot be interpreted anymore, but most muslims ans muslim scholars say otherwise. If I want to interpret my dream I can, and if I want someone else's opinion on it it's not deviation or haram. So please don't talk about stuff you have no knowledge about.

>>18364

Your question was, specifically:

>>18265

>What did Allah mean by this?

You are asking people to divine the thoughts of the Creator and that ain't halal.

>>18366

Stop changing the argument. I just wanted to know what they thought of it.

Now back to the real argument, I never said it was obligatory.

Saudi Officer denouncing Islam due to his experience in Yemen

>>19484

>>19485

after salman dies or the saudi economy flunks it starts