/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

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The Prophet said, “O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no virtue of an Arab over a foreigner nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message?”

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You can still have preferences for marriage that's for sure. it's not haram to have so.

to be honest I don't understand your point that much.

>>18209

If you choose not to race mix, that's up to you. I'm white and I married a white woman and we have white children. That was my choice. However, that is not a choice I made in order to "preserve my race".

In Islam there is only one race. There is no "preservation of race". Frankly, I don't really understand your point either. Islam doesn't force people to "race mix" it merely removes the idea of race.

>>18209

Modern multiculturalism has nothing to do with Islam.

Maybe you want a pat on your back every day for managing to not be racist?

Well multiculturalism does that, and makes you feel good about yourself while you do nothing to actually improve the lives of people who need it.

It's a way of eliminating class conciousness and is the partner of neoliberalism.

It's a political distraction tool, muticulturalists and conservatives fight while capitalists enrich themselves.

>>18212

>to be honest I don't understand your point that much.

Well, my point is that it is very popular among modern Muslims who have by and large subscribed to much of the modern liberal and leftist views on race to try to style Islam as somehow being the ideal religion for the anti-racist, multiculturalist views many progressives in the West believe in.

But while Islam said that no person is better in the eyes of God for their skin color, only their piety, at the same time the patriarchal and tribal social structure remained mostly intact, with only some adjustments, in many ways it was strengthened by Islam's conception of the family and patriarchal authority. If you look throughout the Islamic world, even in the most culturally mixed regions, there isn't really a whole lot of mixing. It is true that you have some regions where a multitude of tribes are united by a common language or ancestry, but even here, there are many distinctions between individual tribes and their unique ethnic character within that common cultural tapestry that when these people are outside their homelands, they'll say "I'm Arab," or "I'm Iranian" but within their countries they're able to say "I'm this or that tribe and these are my people and traditions". And tribes which at some point in the past due to intermarriage or conquest became mixed have more or less opted to continue marrying mostly within their respective tribe from that point on to maintain that new racial character and their independence.

In light of this, I think it's wrong for Muslims to try to sell Islam as a vehicle of modern multiculturalism. There's nothing in Islam that says it's obligatory for any race to mix with another race or any tribe to mix with another tribe if they don't want to. so why should it be a problem if white European countries want to remain white & European like they have for nearly thousands of years? Couldn't they even convert to Islam and still choose to remain as such while having peaceful relations with other Muslim racial and ethnic groups?

>>18209

Islam is not going to force your white daughter to marry Tyrone Jamal just because both of them are muslim. It really comes down to what the parents and the girl want. But parents usually look at his piety, job stability, wealth, personality, family, ect. Not just his skin color.

>>18222

>so why should it be a problem if white European countries want to remain white & European like they have for nearly thousands of years?

You're implying that most white people are afraid of 'racemixing' and want to preserve their race.

It's already common in the arab world with lebanese and syrian families that don't want to marry outside their ethnic group. And nobody gives a [foul language].

>>18214

>In Islam there is only one race. There is no "preservation of race". Frankly, I don't really understand your point either. Islam doesn't force people to "race mix" it merely removes the idea of race.

The problem is this seems very wrong in light of the Qur'an

>O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

At least at first glance, verses such as these seem to imply that God himself has created and sanctified the diversity among people.

>>18225

Allah made us and loves all of us. Creation has great diversity and it always will. However, there is nothing wrong with a white woman marrying a black man. The mix just adds to the diversity.

>>18223

>Islam is not going to force your white daughter to marry Tyrone Jamal just because both of them are muslim.

Well, that exactly what I'm trying to say Islam doesn't force, but the problem I find is that there are a number of modern muslims, especially in the West who want to sell Islam in a way that makes it sound like it does, and they think they are doing Islam a great service, but I think they doing it a great disservice and also deceiving those they sell Islam to.

>It really comes down to what the parents and the girl want. But parents usually look at his piety, job stability, wealth, personality, family, ect. Not just his skin color.

And I think that's the most important thing. In traditional societies, which includes the Islamic countries, marriage is still very much a kind of business affair that involves not just the two individuals getting married but also involves the wider family networks of both parties. In these societies, it is usually preferred that the children marry certain people within a particular network or circle of trust. This helps keep wealth & property mostly within that circle and also gives the tribal network a greater freedom to determine their own cultural character for themselves. In the modern West, marriage is a purely individual affair and at times children are encouraged to completely disregard the "narrow minded" opinions of their parents.

>>18224

>You're implying that most white people are afraid of 'racemixing' and want to preserve their race.

"afraid" isn't the word I would use. I don't think the majority of whites are afraid of race mixing, but I do think the majority of whites have no actual conscious interest in race mixing, regardless of whether they object to it or not, and generally prefer to be with those of their own race and/or nationality, with those who are most familiar to themselves, and so naturally gravitate to those people, even if they aren't consciously choosing to stay within their race. The people who are motivated by some sort of fetishism or ideological need to marry outside of their race to prove something to themselves I don't think are very sincere.

>>18248

I think some of the problem is the differentiation between "race" and "nationality". We are all one race with multiple nationalities.

People may choose to stay within their own familiar nationality, but it is literally impossible to "race mix" since we're all the same race.

>>18227

>The mix just adds to the diversity.

Not when it is motivated by an ideology that is telling people that the only way to eliminate racism is for everyone to agree to become a colorless mush.

I'm not against race-mixing in principle at all, but I think Islam's approach to this issue is very different from the way many modern people approach it. I think in Islam, whether races mix or not is ultimately irrelevant and so the result of this historically has been a society where there are plenty of mixed and non-mixed ethnic groupings united by common religion. It doesn't see these distinctions as merely social constructs to be destroyed.

>>18248

>and generally prefer to be with those of their own race and/or nationality, with those who are most familiar to themselves, and so naturally gravitate to those people

I guess you could say that, for example I prefer moroccan girls but If I find a woman with better character then race does not count very much.

>>18252

>moroccan girls

pffff

>>18250

race is a tricky term, especially since americans got a hold of it. before, race was more or less a synonym for tribe. Thus Britains, Irish and Italians were all seen as part of separate "races."

But I do think there is a correlation between a society having a firm sense of cultural and national identity and a certain degree of homogeneity in terms of the gene pool. Egypt is probably a good example. Most of the people of the modern day Egypt are homogeneous in that they pretty much all descend from the same Ancient Egyptian people. While there are some people who are mixed with the blood of Greek, Arab and Nubian groups, these groups have mostly assimilated by now into the broader Arabic-Egyptian culture so as to reduce conflict while still hanging on to a few individual traditions.

I feel like there are many white Europeans who have a bad image of Islam because they have been led to believe that Islam is to be associated with a kind of invasion of migrant peoples But a lot of these same people could easily be attracted to Islam if it was given to them with a guarantee that their independence and autonomy to decide what sort of nation they want to be remained intact.

>>18317

>can't even sage properly.

k

>>18319

We should raid /christian/. Enough is enough.

>>18326

Let's not "punish" an entire demographic for the actions of a few,ok?

>>18326

This is /b/ or /pol/ behaviour, not /christian/

>>18326

We don't raid. If you want to do it, you're on your own.

>>18328

maybe its /judaism/

>>18330

It's possible, remember that American jew that pretends to be an Australian jihadist?

>>18333

I'm pretty sure that guy's in prison.

>>18333

>>18334

Story?

>>18337

http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852.html

>>18344

Racist caricatures are not allowed on this board.

>>18344

was this a picture of the mechant guy ? lol

>>18350

Racist caricatures are not allowed on this board.

>>18353

Not racist.

>>18355

The "le happy merchant" is a racist caricature of Jewish people and I have never allowed racist caricatures on this board, ever. This falls under the umbrella of "/pol/-like behavior".

>>18358

So jews are a race now?

>>18360

Judaism is a religion.

Jewish is a cultural identity.

Whether you agree with that or not makes no difference at all.

>>18361

Interesting…

>>18363

It's sort of like being Muslim. Obviously "Muslim" is not a race, but we do all share a uniquely distinct culture with each other. Islam is our religion, but Muslim is our cultural identity.

The primary reason for not allowing them is because I want this to be a discussion board, not a "who wins at insults" board. Just imagine the response to every post you make being a picture of Justin Trudeau as a sign of invalidation. That no matter what you say or how sound your argument, that Canadian flag there renders you nothing more than a caricature of your nation. Not that I think we have any Jewish people here, but it has to be consistent across the board or the whole system breaks down. It is no easy task to moderate a board that is a huge neon shiny target. You've certainly been here long enough to see that.

>>18365

Yeah man but I wasn't attacking anyone, just having some laughs.

>>18368

What you say doesn't matter, rather how it is interpreted. What you think may be "havin' a laugh" could be seen as a deliberate attack.

As my father used to say, "What you say doesn't matter. Only the listener matters."

>>18368

Incidentally, this is also why you didn't get a ban. I can see all your posts and I know, for the most part, your intent. I knew you weren't deliberately attacking anyone, but this board is intended to be comfortable for everyone.

>>18328

>>18330

nah, /christian/ is pretty hostile to /islam/.

These are not traditional christians with the "christian values" we respect.

>>18371

This is the same people that used to browse /pol/ (or Allah forbids, still browse /pol/ to this day) so I'm not really surprised if they hate us

>>18372

They're obsessed by us, it's pretty funny tbh

>>18374

We have our share of LARPers. The difference is we make fun of ours and drive them away.

>>18371

I don't hate you. I love you, and want you come to know my Lord.

What are the Christian values you respect?

>>18391

Loving your enemy :^)

>>18397

Best answer. 10/10

>>18412

wallahi if you raid we will raid equally

>>18412

See >>18374

>>18442

>we

lel there's no "we" here; good luck trying to raid a board alone, fam.

>>18458

http://www.strawpoll.me/11792581

>>18412

Those are beliefs not values. Your post demonstrates the problem with your board.

>>18346

/islam/ has the best moderation that I know of. I'm not Muslim, I just come here every now and then to try and understand you guys, but I gotta say, its really admirable how you all collectively keep this place free of the trash that permeates most of the popular boards.

>>18466

The more popular we get, the more difficult the task becomes. I do, after all, have to sleep from time to time.

>>18468

Thanks for the advice.

>>18469

if anyone is interested respond pls we will set up discord and share images

>>18467

if only there were some other moderators to help you that have a different timezone. :)

>>18468

We are aware that raiding alone is possible and we are aware of how to raid properly. We just don't do it. It's beneath us.

>>18471

Finding a volunteer for this board isn't always easy. It has to be someone who is willing to enforce the rules, and only the rules. Someone who doesn't hate particular sects of Islam and can be neutral when it comes to decision making. Someone who doesn't hand out permabans for minor things and has an objective view of the board and its users.

>>18478

I guess you weren't very successful in the past then lol. You won't find someone who doesn't hate a particular sect of islam that's for sure. You can however find plenty who will only enforce the rules and won't abuse their powers. I don't remember that the old volunteer abused his power even though he hate a lot of sects. (not that shia one .that one abused his powers a couple of times).

>>18209

>decided they wanted to be Muslim yet stay white

Becoming Muslim doesn't change your genetics.

>and not be forced to mix

Nobody is forced to mix.

Varg's got a video saying he doesnt think islam is worse than christianity for whites. This is triggering christians.

Varg: one christian zionist killed more norwegians than all the muslims in norway in the last 40 years.

A lot of Muslims are racist, but Islam is regularly on the middle ground on racism.