/hypno/ - Hypnochan

I can only listen to human female voices. Can't stand male hypnotists or computer generated voices at all.

Preference? Female, but I'm very picky about voices since I have a voice fetish from an early age. The majority of female voices don't do much for me, but every so often one comes along and I'm fortunate enough to have it set my eardrums off on some audible bliss but it's really quite infrequent.

Best voice to me, ever? 4n0nym1str3ss, period, just no contest when she was at her "peak" long ago, she could have said something as innocuous as "Hi" and I'd pretty much drift from it, utterly heart-and-mind stoppingly awesome but that's my personal opinion.

I have no issues with male voices given the content of the induction/file - I'm excruciatingly vanilla it seems so, when it's straight relaxation or self-improvement based hypnosis then sure, a male with a good voice and style are no issue for me. I started listening to audio cassettes in the mid-1970s from "Potentials Unlimited" and they were recorded by Barry Konicov and I never ever had a single issue listening to him, I still don't but the content of those tapes was lost decades ago.

N1kk1 F4t4|3 is my favorite over the past decade or so (not to disrespect 4n0nym1str3ss, wherever she is, heard rumors she'd passed away years ago in an accident but have never ever been able to confirm that 100%). N1kk1 not only has a fantastic voice but it's her style that really pulled me in, especially with my vanilla plain old hypnosis based wants and needs. Even if there are people that will say "Oh she's not a real hypnotist, she's just some woman hired to read scripts…" I'll say "Well I'm OK with that because she did/does better than 99.5% of the others out there including a vast number of actual licensed practicing hypnotists…" and that's that.

N1kk1 is awesome, period, and very few are on her level.

As for TTS, nope, ain't happening. I know there's a few people around here that work on it, and one or two that are really good at creating the artificial inflections with the newer TTS voices and software but it's still instantly recognizable as not-human and that just isn't something I can go with, but that's my own opinion on things.

If there ever comes a time when a computer generated voice can match or even get moderately close to what 4n0nym1str3ss could produce every time she put her vocal cords to work then sign me up, but until then it's like Coca-Cola: for me it's the real thing or forget it.

I clearly prefer females, but I don't have a problem with a male tist if the content is good.

I really don't get the homophobia here. Do people think just listening to a male makes you gay? If you do so your will must be extraordinary brittle. I have quite a few triggers from a male tist my gf uses on me. Didn't made me gay, but made sex with my gf a hell of a lot more interesting.

>>34836

Fascinating. 4n0nym1str3ss's voice completely rubs me the wrong way. Her complete inability to accentuate her sentences like a normal person and her slurring make me incredibly aggressive. Which sucks, because her files seem interesting. Really fascinating how different people react to it.

OP here

>>34855

>I really don't get the homophobia here.

It doesn't seem to be the case that I see it as a gay thing to do though, at least not in a broad sense, but maybe I do see it that way but only personally, since I still feel weird and uncomfortable about the whole experience with non-sexual files voiced by men. My guess is that since (to me) hypnosis has been conditioned to be a sexual thing, then it's sort of off-putting to do hypnosis with a guy, since I'm doing something sexual with a guy, which I don't like doing in the first place so it makes sense for me not to like it here.

But for other guys who don't basically 100% associate hypnosis with sexual stuff, then they can probably listen just fine since, well, they don't associate all hypnosis with sexual stuff, so no problems arise.

This doesn't explain straight guys listening to sexual files voiced by men though, so that's a one flaw at least, that is, if you consider that it is possible for a straight guy to listen to sexual files voiced by men I guess, since maybe some people won't?

And all this^^^ isn't meant to be a perfect explanation, I'm just trying to figure this weirdness out.

All that said, it could very well be the case that I just have yet to stumble into a guy hypnotist who I'm fine with listening to.

>>34855

It's not homophobia to not be aroused by a man's voice. That's perfectly normal for the vast majority of men.

>>34858

Interesting. I would say hypnosis is very sexual for me. I guess the difference for me is that i prefer posthypnotic triggers. I'm not very visual, so the fantasy stuff doesn't work for me, it's no different from reading a non hypnotic story.

But for me the sexiness begins when my gf triggers me into a completely helpless and subby state, not when the tist gives me the trigger. Would i prefer the same file with a sexy female voice? Sure. But most female tists just rehash the same half dozen file concepts, so you have to take what you get.

But I don't want to listen to a fantasy file where the tist has sex with me. I see that as gay too, and I'm straight, so that wouldn't be my cup of tea.

>>34859

Well, I'm not turned on by male voice. But I have been repeatedly insulted with all kinds of slurs for listening to a man, even though the sexy time was with my gf. That is homophobia.

But the fact that you try to put words in my mouth to drive your narative over what i said says a lot.

>>34860

Well that's probably why we've come at this differently (I'm >>34858 btw), since I haven't really done any posthypnotic trigger stuff (or at least, none have worked yet, nor have I tried to experience them yet, but that's probably since I haven't properly listened to too many files yet), and even more-so, I'm really interested in visualization stuff with hypnosis, and I'm not a sexually submissive guy (which makes finding files I like super fun! /s)

It seems like we're opposite people, at least when it comes to the stuff we've talked about here.

Like I said before, maybe one day I'll find a male tist which I like.

The automagic presumption that ALL hypnosis nowadays is nothing but tainted with erotic/lesbian/gay/what-the-fuck-evar is not a good one but sadly that's what's happened. As I stated above in >>34836 I am for most intents and purposes pretty vanilla, straight, with no tendencies I'd consider alternate other than the fact that I've been a practicing hypnotist for 40+ years now.

Over the past 15 years or so I've noted that the majority of people either being introduced to hypnosis since the dawn of the Internet age in the mid-1990s or even newer (in the past decade or so give or take a few years) has pushed it clear out of the norms - typical trancework for fun and games, learning and yes even some therapy when required - into what I myself personally just consider to be "oddworld" in many respects. Like I said, I'm vanilla for the most part with a little deviation in there sometimes but honestly, I mean look at the threads here related to hypnosis:

How many of them are about basic hypnosis skills and learning, and how many of them are about some strange off-the-wall sexually related concepts, desires, and whatnot?

Years ago I could go someplace, find a thread or topic about hypnosis, and have good conversations with people about actual hypnosis, uses, stuff to try on new subjects, etc, and nowadays it's all gone awry in my opinion, but then again because I've been practicing for so long I suppose I'm just not hip enough to get into all the strange twisted and fucked up (again, my opinion) ways that it apparently has been deemed useful.

But then again I think humanity itself on this planet is nothing but a festering swamp anymore so no surprise there I suppose. I miss the good old days where discussions could happen and it didn't dissolve into one person fucking everything up and causing problems (ironically, this one post I'm making could theoretically make me that one person given the arena I'm in here at 8ch).

As for the "closet homo" thing, that's something the OP will have to decide for himself, as I said above I don't have any issues with male hypnotists overall but then again I'm not listening to files (the vast majority of them as I'm trying to point out) that purportedly would turn me into a girl, make me eat my own cum, or whatever other weird fucking thing the hypnotist had/has in mind.

154b3||4 V4|3nt1n3 is a really talented and skilled hypnotist, seriously, and many MANY years ago she had a lot of promise, with a fairly nice voice and her style originally was quite nice but then someone made her realize she'd make more profit catering to the alternate side of things and voila, 99.9% of her files nowadays are just some pretty strange things. She did one video years ago, I wish I still had it, was free on her site, where she spent like 15 minutes discussing hypnosis with the viewer and it was quite nice, very nice actually, and she showed off some skill with a great deal of Ericksonian style permissive content.

But that was long ago, and times are different now.

Things have twisted back on themselves so much that I, vanilla old bastard that I am, now find myself considered the weird one because I'm so not into the rather strange things that others find interesting. I had a girl chat me up a few days ago, she knows I'm an old school 'tist, and she started in about hypnotic knife-play and I put the brakes on almost instantly and what happened? She got pissed at me 'cause I wouldn't trance her and allow her to feel like I was cutting her with blades.

Seriously? I'm the one that's fucked up now? :(

I can say with 100% confidence that N1kk1 is alive an well….and her departure for the scene was about real life changes and commitments. BTW, she didn't just read scripts….she was a talented hypnotist with considerable formal training. I know this from personal experience because I was her real life, in person, submissive for several years and hypnosis was a significant part of our engagement.

>>34815

female>male>TTS

For me at least. The topic must really interest me to make me listen to anything other than a female voice though.

>>34870

>How many of them are about basic hypnosis skills and learning, and how many of them are about some strange off-the-wall sexually related concepts, desires, and whatnot?

I feel your pain. I'm interested in learning how to perform hypnosis that can enhance quality of life, and while there are obvious sexual applications the only goal there is wanting to play around with enhancing a female partner's pleasure. I'm not interested in becoming a crossdressing slave or developing a foot fetish or giving myself incontinence or whatever, but that seems to be what a lot of the discussion on the internet centers on.

Ah well, at least there are honest-to-god books in print on the subject of hypnosis that are helpful! Imagine having to rely on imageboards or reddit for your information, or the true horror of thinking that they actually provide everything you need to know.

>But that was long ago,

Before the dark times. Before the Empire.

>>34871

Awesome, congrats (presuming your experiences with her over the years were good ones). I hope she's doing well in whatever she's chosen for her path, and while I like many others will always hope for her return with some new tricks up her sleeves (as she hinted at many times in many files) it's understandable that people change as their lives progress so, I'm grateful that we have a library of her talents and work around to enjoy for however long we can.

>>34879

There are some great resources out there, obviously, and eBooks galore (I like many others probably have hundreds of 'em on a wide variety of hypnosis-related content, as well as some NLP materials as well). For myself personally, being that old vanilla bastard that I am, I just stick with what works and the basics and it's been fine for me. Having said that I am a Dom, have been for my entire life, and integrating hypnosis into that aspect of my life has obvious benefits - my wife is my best subject, of course, and her being a natural submissive just allows me to enhance those aspects of her personality. Yes I suppose that goes into what you just said about the female partner's pleasure but I assure you, it's not just about using hypnosis for erotic/sexual/pleasure, it's for helping her deal with life (she's got some health issues since birth, blame it on her lazy stupid ass mother not taking care of herself during the pregnancy).

Book learning can be of tremendous benefits, of course, but it's just scratching the surface and I mean that literally. The face to face or in-person experience(s) are what will really bring out the best in you or subjects or hypnotists you might be lucky enough to work with.

If you're interested, there are some writers I can recommend for some reading - yes, they're considered to be erotic stories in most respects but these particular authors are well known personalities in the hypnosis community, they have a long history of being more "classical" in their use of hypnosis and not crossing over into that truly strange side of things (on occasion they have, just a warning). I've learned a shitload of techniques and valuable content from some of these stories, and for me they are valuable tools in my own repertoire aka "my toolkit."

If I had to recommend one single story to read that encompasses basically a college level primer on hypnosis and techniques - and I mean it's truly amazing what is covered in this story - it would be "Busman's Holiday" by the very well known Wiseguy - he's got a published and popular book out called "Mind Play" available through Amazon about hypnosis and it's use with erotic intent in mind. Yes I realize I'm backtracking myself and bringing the erotic/sexual/pleasure side of things into this once again but the story and the techniques used are real, based on actual stuff you can actually do with some skill and a willing subject. "Busman's Holiday" and many other of Wiseguy's stories can be found at his ASSTR site:

https://www.asstr.org/~Wiseguy/

(long post so breaking it into two pieces)

>>34879

artie is also a very well known personality in the community but he's no longer writing and he pulled his website down a few years ago but a great deal of his materials - not just hypnotic stories but other stuff as well, he's heavy into Buddhism and the Tao of things, Yoga and other aspects, and they're all reflected in his stories. He was the first hypnoerotic author I ever encountered at MCStories.com and a hero of sorts - his stories gave me a whole new view on things, literally a paradigm shift into possibilities I had never imagined even in spite of my decades of hypnosis practice. Since his website is no longer available thankfully (!!!) Archive.org has almost everything he ever published stashed, you might find some stuff not available on a particular date so check before and after if you're interested. I have all the stuff saved myself for safe-keeping because it's some important works for me.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111104193555/http://www.asstr.org:80/~artie/

And finally RC as in RCWrites, one of the most popular writers in the genre. He too pulled up stakes a few years ago and took down his website and I was able to save basically everything he ever published at the site (including a few from many years ago where he removed them thinking nobody read them).

For the record: I like these stories because they speak to me and the way I am, an old vanilla bastard, using plain old classic style hypnosis - yes I can use rapid inductions as readily as the next 'tist but honestly there's just not much fun in dropping most people in a few seconds whereas a slow casual induction drawing them in, almost a seduction of words and rapport, that's where the draw is for me and these stories are more aligned with that way of getting things done.

But seriously, "Busman's Holiday," it's a truly amazing thing and it'll teach you a great deal of useful stuff in the words. Yeah, it's got sex, deal with it, but there's a lot more going on and it's a way to learn some new things. They're tools, they're far from the typical fare in terms of hypnosis-related stories (at least a very few number of authors, that is), and I can't recommend them enough if you get stuck for ideas or something creative to try with potential subjects (and no I don't mean the erotic/sexual/pleasure side of it, I mean with respect to hypnosis overall).

And yes, oh hell yes, the ability to enhance the quality of life is highly prevalent in artie's stories, he incorporates a lot of characters that has clinical psychology and clinical hypnotherapy backgrounds and they put those talents to use helping other characters in the stories dealing with many many emotional traumas and other aspects of every day life. The first story I ever read related to using hypnosis in "those other manners" was artie's "Growing Up With Beth" and I promise if you give it a read sometime - it's a long long story, however, with many parts, pretty much a novel actually - it'll give you a massively positive outlook on hypnosis and some education as well.

artie's stories basically opened me up to a whole new world with respect to hypnosis, and I'm forever grateful to him for sharing his writings with the community and I'm far from alone in that feeling.

As for dark times and the Empire, remember: Empires crumble and the sun - at least ours - will rise for a few billion years to come. ;)

>>34855

With respect to 4n0nym1str3ss she altered her style over the years, so yes there are some of her files where she's almost monotonic (not an easy task for her I assure you), but there are a few files (can't think of their names right this second) where the style is more conversational, more laid back, but as most all of her content is long gone - there's a torrent out there somewhere that has a handful of files but she had quite a few at one time and I always wanted to collect 'em all (fuck Pokemon, gimme 4n0nym1str3ss anyday).

The reason that I say I find her voice the very best I've ever heard is that I was privileged enough to have spoken to her on the phone a few times - but it wasn't for trancing, oddly enough. She did do phone sessions for people and I was more than willing to pony up the cost years ago but once I got her on the phone for whatever reason I asked her if we could just talk, no trancing, just me talking with her, and she graciously accepted and we spent about 2 hours across 2 calls just talking.

So "the voice" that I got was her, the real person (aka Vindaloo MacKenzie) and THAT is the voice that hit me like the proverbial velvet hammer. We talked about a wide variety of things, music, food, movies, hypnosis to some degrees, etc. It was an experience I'll never forget (pun intended) for the very reason that I wanted to remember it and hence me sidestepping the trancework she was expecting.

Anyway, I almost wish I had recorded the calls but I gave my word I wasn't recording them and I didn't but now I of course regret not doing it even so. I'm glad I have a few recordings she shared with me - I wrote two stories for her long ago that she had hosted on her site for a brief period of time but alas, like N1kk1 she eventually moved on.

Still not sure about her being gone because of some accident, it was posted at Inraptured's forums one time but I could never get a 100% confirmation on it, could never find any news info about an accident where she might have been involved, etc. IIRC she was killed in some kind of accident mountain climbing (!?!?!) but again I could be wrong on even that because of no confirmation at all.

Soforia was a real sweet heart years ago, she was the original hypnodomme and led the way for all the others, some of her files are still available on a torrent out there but as they were done so long ago the audio quality (being done with simple analog audio cassettes) is not up to snuff. She passed away about a decade ago after a battle with cancer and it was a very sad day for the community.

She originated the phrase "Relax, and go into deep hypnosis for me…" in her recordings (not that you can copyright it or anything) and many many others have used it over the years but there was something quite unique about how Soforia said it - I can assure you that even today at this moment a huge number of us old vanilla bastards would drop through the floor if she were around to utter those words. Amazing stuff.

>>34870

Big cheers for saying something a lot of people are hopefully thinking. Personally I am fascinated far more by the techniques various hypnotists have used and the way the brain works than I am the actual content being delivered.

Also as someone who trained as a psychologist I also cringe every time I see someone say hypnosis is all just make believe and can't really affect anyone. Or for that matter anyone who can't figure out the differences from files that actually can make changes from those which are pure fantasy or delusional in nature.

>>34860

Didn't see any slurs, so no idea what you mean by "I really don't get the homophobia here."

>>34890

Are you refering to you want to imply your shilling has any message? It's not as if there is any connection to what i said, it's just shameless advertising (for yourself?)

>>34903

Best way to put it: if you don't like her voice or her style, it's not her that has the problem.

As for advertising, since neither 4n0nym1str3ss or Soforia have content available for actual purchase anywhere anymore and both of them have long since left the community, your logic is thus rendered moot.

>>34886

Funny that you mention both Mind Play and Busman's Holiday, as I've just recently gotten done reading that book and the story gets name-dropped a couple times. Was on the fence about giving Wiseman's stories a shot, as they sounded like a combination of hypnosis scripts and hypnokink fanfiction, and I'm looking more for theory than method. Hypnotic language seems to be the easy part with me, it's insights about what's going on in the hypnotized person's head that I feel as though I need more of (can't really trance myself, so firsthand knowledge isn't available except by quizzing the other party, and they aren't terribly helpful).

>>34953

As for the "can't really trance myself" aspect, you might not be at a level to do it yet, but in time it'll happen with practice. A lot of people get hypnosis and trance confused (no pun intended) and think they're one and the same and that's exactly the case. I made another post in another thread here the other day about that very situation so instead of repeating it I'll just link to it:

https://8ch.net/hypno/res/33762.html#q34925

And yeah, stories aren't necessarily the very best way to learn much of anything but I fall back to what I said before: the majority of authors are more into the full on hypno-fantasy stuff, doing things that not only aren't possible but also pushing boundaries of what is and what isn't acceptable whereas artie, Wiseguy, RC, Lucky Guy, and a very small number of other writers base their stories (or at least the majority of them with occasional turns to true fantasy) on actual real-world hypnosis and techniques coupled with pretty good backgrounds of working in such fields themselves.

As for theory work, Milton Erickson comes to mind but his published papers (there's a PDF of his Complete Works, about 11MB in size, 1780 pages of clinical-level discussion and analysis but HIGHLY recommended even in spite of the monumental size of the content), and of course there's John Grinder and Richard B4nd|3r who studied what Erickson did and then "created" NLP based off their learnings.

Learning never stops so, there's no shortage of actual material out there. Richard Nongard is a popular instructor nowadays and has a lot of video content on YouTube as well for theory based learning.

>>34953

Also:

Everything related to conversational hypnosis style and what's going on in the subject's mind comes from Erickson, all of it. All the "speed seduction," fast dating, all the other crap that exists nowadays, the covert trancing and anything related to it ALL of it originated from Erickson's analysis and learning over many decades.

So if you want to study the background theoretical stuff again I recommend Erickson's materials - not materials based ON Erickson's work materials but actual Erickson content itself in that Complete Works file (I can drop it on Zippyshare if you want it).

As stated it's highly clinical, but it's him working with Ernst Rossi, a long time collaborator in the field of clinical and therapeutic hypnosis, and it's a tremendous resource for learning if you can't attend some courses or classes.

Ah hell, might as well just drop it here. I presume you know how to use base64decode.org, go there and paste this line of text then decode it for the URL:

aHR0cDovL3d3dzExNC56aXBweXNoYXJlLmNvbS92L3NRMEMzQ1RwL2ZpbGUuaHRtbA==

>>34955

I've got a weird package of traits that make me unusually unsusceptible to trance states (extreme mental and physical restlessness prime among them). Rather than trying to force the issue and maybe, someday, work up to being able to do it, I'm just channeling my interest in hypnosis into doing it on other people.

Appreciate the file! I don't mind clinical information, the Master's degree needs to do me SOME good. :D

As long as the voice is actually good and the file is actually good (as in actually trying to put you into a trance as opposed to putting you to sleep, not randomly yelling, etc.) I could do either male or female. Of course I haven't found any good male hypnotists.

Also computer generated voices are absolute garbage.

>>34991

There's a really good chance you're simply overthinking the process more than anything else. I myself am what's known as a hypervigilant meaning my conscious mind - probably like yours and many other folk - simply can't 'turn it off' like with a mental switch or anything and it does get in the way of the deeper states of trance than we'd really like.

It doesn't mean we're not experiencing SOME level of trance, mind you, just not those deeper levels where the unconscious really does come to bear and pushes the conscious mind out of the way and we experience the blank part where we as a conscious being kinda just drift for a while and then we come back to the voice/hypnotist and think "ok, I drifted off there for a few…" which too many people confuse or consider as sleep (actual pure unconscious "you're out of it" sleep) and that's NOT what's happening.

Anyway, here's the advice I received 40+ years ago, that most every hypnotist gets at some point, and is still quite relevant: if you want to become a truly great hypnotist/hypnotherapist/stage hypnotist/etc, you've got to learn yourself what trance is, what it feels like how it works internally (which is obviously what you're trying to do), and then that skill set translates into you being better when working with others because you'll have the unconscious aspects for yourself which develop into the rapport you'll want to have when working with others face to face.

We can learn an awful lot from the books and video materials that are mostly readily available but, in the long run it's the face to face trancework that makes all the difference.

Anyway, hope the materials help, the Erickson stuff is nothing short of mind boggling when you read it straight from his own sessions and not what other people interpret it as from their own perspectives, it's absolutely amazing what he was capable of doing with people.

>>34994

so are you saying that when deep trance is working, we're not meant to be consciously aware of what's being said?

Seems like it would be hard to enjoy the experience of a file if you're just being subconsciously programmed and can't be consciously present to experience it? Maybe I'm missing the point.

>>34994

Hypervigilant sounds about right, my brain just refuses to quiet down to any degree. Too analytical, stubborn, easily bored, energetic, distractible, skeptical, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

I don't know, maybe it's the kind of thing an expert you're dealing with in person can get around, but at the amateur or solo level it's probably a lost cause.

>>34999

Hypnotic amnesia - and I don't mean suggested amnesia like suggestions being given to forget some aspects of the trance or not having conscious awareness of the events that happened during the trance itself - is an example of unconscious activity.

The unconscious is the seat of trance, that's the point I'm trying to make, and we humans don't have access to what's going on in the unconscious or at that level - one common thing that's done with hypnosis is catalepsy for a given bodypart, perhaps the typical arm catalepsy ("Your arm is stiff and rigid, like it has a steel bar running through it, you're unable to bend it…") and after emerging someone from trance unless you as the 'tist or someone else points out their arm is still there being held out the subject most times won't even notice it - they have no conscious awareness of it since it was taken under unconscious control and until the conscious is brought back into the loop that arm could just stay there for a long time. :)

Anyway, ask a given 'tist their definition of what hypnosis and trance is, get a different answer every single time so, while the basics are understood by most, the actual inner workings are what matter to some of us and that's where the differences lie.

If an audio file works for you, so be it, and to hell with the opinions of others including mine.

I used to ONLY be able to listen to female hypnotists because like for many others the experience is sexual and I identify as a straight male.

I agree the best female hypnotist I've heard is 4n0nym1str3ss…her tonality and presence were amazing. She had a couple files - Loopy and one other I cant recall - that were the only files I've ever listened to that took me so deep that it definitely wasn't role-play…when I started giggling wildly while listening to Loopy it just came from nowhere. She was astounding.

Best female hypnotist I've seen…M1str3ss of hypn0s1s - her voice isnt thunderous like 4n0nym1str3ss, but her eyes and presence are.

Male voices used to be off-putting to me, but now I love good male hypnotists. Mr. D4n13l's hypnosis, while reviled by many, is VERY powerful. The fact that he is male and that the content is sexual only makes it more powerful for me, you know a hypnotist is powerful when you go under despite your sexual preference. And his is the only hypnosis that has seeped over into my day to day life.

Other male hypnotists who take me deep are Ch3wt0y and at times N1mj4.

4ll1s0n in L0v3 and B4mb1 Sl33p are 2 TTS voices that have taken me VERY DEEP

For me, a great trance has nothing to do with gender anymore.

I'm straight but I'll take Mr. D4n13l over any other hypnotist all day, every day. If that makes me gay, I'm ok with it.

>>35394

>I'm straight but I'll take Mr. D4n13l over any other hypnotist all day, every day. If that makes me gay, I'm ok with it.

I really don't get where those concepts come from, it's pretty odd to see people admit such things and forget the most basic tenet of hypnosis there is:

Nobody is doing ANYTHING to you except yourself, so, the only hypnotist that matters is you, regardless of whatever files, videos, voices, even real life situations you experience.

It's all you, always, all your fault if you don't get the experience you want, all your fault for having the ones you do, all your fault for whatever line of thinking you're traveling along, all of it lies squarely on your shoulders and yours alone.

I mean I get people want that fantasy aspect, they don't want to believe, think, or even deal with the fact that they're the individual responsible for what happens with trancework but they are.

Gotta learn to accept that aspect and in the long run it makes you an even better subject.

>>34870

I'm so glad people like you exist though, I legit want to have conversations about Hypnosis and not just fetishes.

How can I learn hypnosis? A 'tist I know online says it's better be taught in person, and as far as I know, there aren't any in my area. I'm reading through Scott Adam's Recommendations for Persuasion which I'm told will help as a primer, but won't teach me to be a hypnotist.

If you still lurk here, sorry if I don't get back to you ASAP, I check this board once in awhile since it's mostly fetish requests.

>>35416

Well, there's tons of places out there, MOST places are to be avoided but some decent places exist. If you use Discord there's an Erotic Hypnosis server that has some well known people in the online (and RL) hypnosis community, and just because the server has "Erotic" in the name doesn't necessarily mean that's what it's all about, that aspect is a smaller part actually.

I can't post a link to the server but, it's there if you go looking for it but of course you have to be using Discord to access it.