/hypno/ - Hypnochan

are you for real? Hypnosis isnt real you fucking retard. Its just fap material

A lot of femdom hypno has humiliating/ego depreciating elements to link subs more strongly to doms (e.g. "You're worthless without me", "You're an inferior male"). That's the kinda stuff I try to stay away from. If you're only using it for fap material, great, but if you're actually trancing it's not the best stuff to be drilling into your brain.

>>31870

Who is this beauty?

>>31870

I'm sorry dude but One effect of all those hours listening to files was, that it really made it harder for me to make decisions and stay focused. I realized way too late what kind of negative effects fandom hypnosis could have on me. is all on you.

Hypnosis is make believe, it's all about you playing along, it can't make you do anything you don''t want to do.

Take for example HFO files. If hypnosis had the power so many guys who leave comments like hypno made me gay anyone know a file to make me stop sucking my boyfriend's cock think it has, then 100 percent of people would cum hands free to those files and you'd never see comments from people saying it doesn't work.

I can HFO, but it took maybe a whole year of getting into hypno and practicing mentally to allow this play acting to become real.

I understand some people are more open to suggestion than others and a lot of people look to outside sources to their own inner failings but it only has power if you allow it.

As for your question on helping new people that's tricky, when I came across this stuff in like 2007 I just jumped in, listened to some great stuff, listened to some batshit crazy stupid stuff. It's really hard to think of presenting a path to new people, even after being into this stuff for so long.

I guess all we can do is suggest the various types of artists who give specific experiences.

It is important to keep an open mind is all I will say.

>>31910

Yes of course I know that it's not someone else that controls me and if so it is because I want it this way. And that's the thing! the "problem" with erotic hypnosis is that it is linked to te feeling of pleasure. And all those hours you spend with femdom thoughts which make you feel good, will also play it's part on your ego. It gets addictive pretty easily and can, same as with too much porn, have a negative effect on you. Depending on the situation you are in, in your life. And to say hypnosis is not real is just not right … of course it works, but it is just your own power of mind … like meditation also works

You say it's all on me and you are right! That exactly proves my point! Of course it was me, but to me it was so addictive that I spend too much time with it and i wanted it to work and finally it did. But it also changed me and my habits. If I have had read some more about it before, I would probably did it differently … taken some more breaks.

Also I don't get why this gets such negative feedback …

Why not talk about things that help you be healthy, keep a healthy mind? Especially if you practice this fetish a lot …

>>31895

Yes this is a good example

>>31910

>Hypnosis is make believe, it's all about you playing along, it can't make you do anything you don''t want to do.

False. What would have been more correct to say is something like "Most" or "Common" hypnosis is make believe and relies on acceptance and playing along. Hypnosis is partly the willingness and exposure of the target, but it also is dependent on the skill, desire, and methodology of the hypnotist.

Common forms of hypnosis usually encountered simply repeat the same few messages. Such as "I am a girl. A beautiful girl." etc. Those types of hypnosis tracks do indeed require acceptance at some level to affect a person.

But you are completely ignoring the advanced hypnotists. Those who have learned tricks such as tonal and rhythm changes to subconsciously link their voice to the listener's own breathing and heart beat and then changing it up to initiate feelings of pleasure or calmness. Those who have learned tricks such as A is to B what B is to C what C is to D and therefor A is D to move a listener from their original thought patterns to a subtly different one. Those who have learned how to subtly make a target feel that refusal will result in a worse punishment than whatever bad thing they are requested to do.

A truly skilled hypnotist that knows what they are doing can achieve things even without the willingness of the target by changing the target into becoming willing through gradual baby steps.

Every choice we make in life is all about what you know and previous life choices you have made. It is a slow gradual learning that we humans or any other species overtake on the course of our lifetimes.

_Normally_ a hypnotist or any other reprogrammer could not make say a person kill another person. This is because of lessons learned in our past that killing is wrong and fear of consequences. However, a skilled but unethical hypnotist can with enough exposure and slow gradual reprogramming turn anyone into becoming more accepting of killing someone. And that is just an extreme. The truth is our actions and choices are a lot more dependent on our training than anyone is comfortable with and certain individuals know how to exploit the way our brains learn.

I have been accused of being a "schill" or "fanbaby" of a particular hypnotist simply because I have warned heavily on just how extreme that hypnotist can take the subtle approach. Perhaps my abusers like you simply do not understand that the difference between normal hypnosis and what certain hypnotists can do.

My personal analogy is that "normal" hypnotists are like a friendly game of Russian Roulette using a toy pop gun, "good" hypnotists are like playing the same friendly game of Russian Roulette only this time using a real gun with blanks as the ammo so even if you have bad luck it can't really harm you too much, and the truly dangerous hypnotists have swapped in a real live round only most players will not be aware of the change and every so often someone's head will be blown off just out of pure luck to have drawn the wrong cyllinder.

A quick example of what I mean… a certain file was released by a truly dangerous hypnotist which on the surface sound like it is designed to increase the size of a man's cock. The hypnotist starts out normally getting the person to feel better about themselves and having them picture themselves with a big cock and telling them how good it will feel to have that. Obviously if a person is listening to such a file the person is usually already feeling insecure about the size of their cock and wanting it to increase. This is the "willingness" factor. Now over the course of the next few minutes the dangerous hypnotist continues to preach about how the listener needs to concentrate on that concept of the cock getting bigger and how wonderful their sex life will be once they have that bigger cock. Next the dangerous hypnotist slowly removes possession of the big cock while leaving the intense need / desire for it and how much the listener's sex life will improve. Eventually the dangerous hypnotist slowly includes messages about how the listener wants to have sex with that big cock and how having sex with a big cock will make orgasms better. At first unless a listener is very alert the subtle changes from possessed to general to other doesn't really sink in, and some people have by this point already sunk into a deep enough "desired trance" state that their conscious mind never realizes "wait something is wrong here". Soon the dangerous hypnotist is subtly making links in the listener's brain between big cocks and the best orgasms and the sight of a big cock making the listener want to cum. By the end of the session a listener will be backtracked somewhat so the extreme direction taken is not apparent, but the mental links have still been made.

>>31919

I understand that there are techniques that can get results from people that they may not fully be aware of, heck, that's how most advertisement works and I also understand the slow introduction of ideas that can reinforce something, this reinforcement is how I've had success with erotic hypnosis but I've been a willing participant.

When a HFO file of my fave hypnotist tells me to cum using a trigger word it's because I have had to play along and train my mind and body to respond to that file.

Files that would supposedly plant homo erotic feelings in a person until they go out and suck a cock, while are still highly suggestible are still on the person to act out whether or not advanced techniques were used.

Now I will fully admit, maybe I'm better at defending my mind to this stuff, there have been files that have suddenly thrown in a taste your cum or send me money and I've not responded, even in a deep trance, because even on a subconscious level, those are things I don't want.

Maybe I'm not open minded enough when I see people say this stuff has ruined their lives or they want to be straight again because a file made them suck a dude off and that's on me.

As for your example there at the end I think its more of an example on a weak minded or suggestible person rather than a powerful hypnotist. Of course we can disagree on this stuff, that's fine.

One last comment on your Perhaps my abusers like you, I'm not sure what people have done to you due to your opinions on stuff like this but what I've said previously here is just us having a discussion. We can completely disagree on all of this but I'm not sure how I'm abusing you.

Thanks for your time.

>>31917

I understand, I guess maybe because we are here for the erotic aspect of hypnosis, you might not find focus on healthy mind stuff.

If you are looking for healthy stuff though, Eve from Eve's Garden has a very good approach to this stuff, it's all about feeling good and having a healthy relationship with erotic hypnosis. She approaches all her stuff from a perspective of loving men and wanting you to love yourself rather than being someone to just be used and shamed. She might be a good place for you to check out.

>>31921

> Perhaps my abusers like you

My apologies, I meant to have commas there. As in "My abusers, like you,". In other words not calling you an abuser but saying that the ones who did are feeling the same way as you.

>Files that would supposedly plant homo erotic feelings in a person until they go out and suck a cock, while are still highly suggestible are still on the person to act out whether or not advanced techniques were used.

My issue with saying it is just that a person is weak minded or suggestible is that it quickly becomes a case of "Blame the victim" rather than "blame the unethical creep who is trying to abuse innocent victims".

Off the top of my head I can think of three hypnotists who have the potential to "guide" people into things they don't want, but only one hypnotist who is unethical enough to actually try without any kind of warning to their listeners. But every time I mention that one hypnotist in a thread warning people not to use that hypnotist's files I get insulted, claimed as being the hypnotist trying to drum up sales, etc. and it honestly has become very frustrating that people are abusing someone just trying to prevent innocent people from harm.

Final comment on the subject…

>Now I will fully admit, maybe I'm better at defending my mind to this stuff, there have been files that have suddenly thrown in a taste your cum or send me money and I've not responded, even in a deep trance, because even on a subconscious level, those are things I don't want.

Yeah, those kind of things in files are incredibly easy to avoid responding to. It's not subtle at all nor does it actually make the person want to do it. The problem is that there is at least one hypnotist out there unethical enough to plant similar unwanted effects in their files but far subtler about actually having it in there. Actually the one dangerous hypnotist occasionally will add something like that in a file but its clearly deliberately put in to throw off suspicion since its completely not subtle big stick approach whereas everything else he or she does is a carrot / velvet glove approach.

>>31927

It's exaggeration to say people "abused" you. It's best not to play the victim.

You gave fair warning, didn't have to overreact when people told you you were being excessive.

>>31927

Also, who would the other two be, besides the one you're avoiding mentioning?

>>31919

That "certain file" sounds really fun.

>>31927

>Off the top of my head I can think of three hypnotists who have the potential to "guide" people into things they don't want, but only one hypnotist who is unethical enough to actually try without any kind of warning to their listeners. But every time I mention that one hypnotist in a thread warning people not to use that hypnotist's files I get insulted, claimed as being the hypnotist trying to drum up sales, etc. and it honestly has become very frustrating that people are abusing someone just trying to prevent innocent people from harm.

Name them, this is a thread for newbs.

>>31927

>>31919

Anon, why don't you start an official "Extremely Vague Warnings and Self-Righteous Sermons" thread and stop shitting up everyone else's?

>>31927

Obviously I don't know you but from the use of certain words in your responses such as abuser and victim blaming it's clear you are trying to battle internally with whether or not to blame yourself or a hypnotist for your interest in files that are probably something you feel ashamed in participating in.

This is where I find a problem with the this is real mentality, the passing of blame.

I also find it curious that the declaration and adament fight of it's the hypnotists fault tends to always be about files that are gay related, sissy related or a file that would make a person do something they would be ashamed of. I never see people warning others of dangerous HFO files or dangerous hypnotist that tricked them into feeling good.

What I see from this isn't people trying to save others from dangerous files or to stop others from falling victim to the same files as them but sort of mental gymnastics used to come to terms that maybe it's not the files's fault but my fault I like cock or want to be a sissy. If I can convince others these hypnotists are dangerous then I can convince myself deep down that I didn't choose to feel like a sissy but this outside source did it.

And whats worse is who are you defending against, no one cares if you like these things, all you're doing is getting off. The universe doesn't care you like to dress up in women's underwear as a hypnotists berates you for not sucking enough cock. We all do this to get off and feel good and different things appeal to different people but you have to admit that all this only works if its what you want deep down and I understand how hard it is to face that maybe it's you not them.

And I do think people who let this stuff actually make them do things they don't want are weak minded and suggestible, it doesn't work any other way.

I know I've been harsh but I would love to believe your side of the argument so please link me the files of these dangerous hypnotists, I'm fully comfortable in myself to know I can defend my mind against these supposed expert dangerous techniques and if I come back with findings that my own personal comfort level was altered then I will retract my statements.

>>31927

>>31953

What this guy said. Findom files are more exploitative than this stuff, but you never see anyone posting about being suckered into it.

If you want to get fucked by a big cock after listening to hypnosis, congratulations, you're a bit less straight than you thought you were. If that makes you uncomfortable, there are plenty of spaces online where you can talk about that and work through it.

If you're really worried about a file, all you need to do is listen to it without trancing. Maybe transcribe it. Especially if it's called something like "Penis Enlargement." Seriously, if that doesn't sound like it'll have a twist then I've got a bridge to sell you, buddy.

Also, they're talking about S4m4nth4 S3z, there's a thread in the catalog if you want to read more of what they wrote.

This discussion is framed wrongly. Usually there are no problems if the listener is mentally healthy (and has limits). But an emotionally immature person (any person in their early twenties), perhaps with depression or self-defeating tendencies, can become victim to their own situation. Now this has nothing to do with the hypnotist - just with the person's past and cognitive distortion (anyway, there are hypnotists who exploit that for their goals). So there is no point in provoking anyone or being harsh from a practical point of view. I think these people are hard to help, because they are resistant to learning. In my opinion they are told the foundations of existential philosophy and cognitive behavioral therapy. If they understand it, they will end the bad mental habit and acquire a healthy balance between reality and fantasy.

A diabolical file is balckbit by M1r4 *tern, but I think it's not relevant to the discussion because it's about the pornography habit being too big a part of life. So if this applies to you (newbie) pirate and read Existentialism by W*rtenberg and fe*ling good by davi* burns (as foresight). If this does not help, run to a psychologist and change the forum. The people on this forum already know what they want and are mentally healthy - so i think this is not the place for a mental heath guide.

But a comment like "you fucking retard" is not helpful.

>>31953

Uh, it's more that SB has nonsense triggers in the file intended to screw up your life in other ways, like inhibiting your ability to count, causing you to do weird things in social interactions, causing you to get lost while driving, etc. And they're usually played softly in the background, so you don't know the triggers are there until you do something weird and don't know why you did it, as someone documented over in the SB thread.

Allegedly, iAmMelting is unaffected by these triggers, and doesn't want other people to have weird behaviors left behind afterwards. He is certainly being extremely over-dramatic about it however.

Self hypnosis files are a lot less effective than having a hypnotist in person actually bring you into a trance, the vast majority of the ones passed around this board are basically fake/ineffective. To make a strong file, it takes more work than just a voice-over, it takes a good script, decent production quality, and subliminal voices. I've been on the retroshare surveying files from a lot of hypnotists, and the vast majority are total crap, except for like, B4mb1, K31, and SB. Also Ta|m4dg3 H4rp3r, but he's not exactly within the normal fare for this board.

For reference, hypnosis is a real thing that has had documented effects in double blind medical studies that exceeded the effects of the control group. Listening to audio files is just extremely ineffective in comparison to live sessions.

SB files largely get their work done through barely audible voices in the background. If you want to produce a transcript, you'll probably need to run the files through an audio compressor (make all the wavelengths the same amplitude). They also have metaphorical scripting using the eriksonian techniques, with pauses in the middle of sentences to create new sub-sentences in the middle of sentences to pass along additional suggestions unnoticed (like, "don't be so hard-on …. yourself") Most SB files are totally unrelated to sissy stuff, but include subliminals related to sissy stuff, and the other nonsensical life ruining triggers. Given that SB's files are among the more effective hypnosis files here, and they are one of the few that don't disclose their effects, a warning is probably appropriate, even if iAmMelting is being a complete drama queen about it.

>>31927

>>31919

I'm curious now, could you say which files/tists are you referring to?

>>31919

Seems to me like you're either LARPing or don't understand how minds work. I'm going to respond anyway, specifically to your last paragraph, and why that doesn't work.

Basically, the subconscious mind won't make those links that the conscious mind doesn't. The subconscious mind isn't smart enough to have the complex thought of "Having sex with another dude's big cock will make orgasms better". Either they'll notice this subtle word changing and reject it, or *they will not notice the change and think the file is about their cock growing bigger, and only feel like their cock is growing bigger, not experience attraction to cocks*.

You're either LARPing, or have bought into the LARPing of hypnotists overblowing how much the subconscious mind can do.

Also

>Those who have learned tricks such as tonal and rhythm changes to subconsciously link their voice to the listener's own breathing and heart beat and then changing it up to initiate feelings of pleasure or calmness.

what the fuck

How is this link established?

I've never ever noticed this. In fact, I've frequently noticed my breath/heart rate being different than any pattern in the recording.

People's heart and breathing rates are wildly different, a recording would never be able to simulate this.

Sure, you can make people calmer or more excited to change their heart rate/breathing rate, but simply changing the rhythm of your voice would be too drastic, and if not, too minute, a change for people to follow it.

Why does an increased heart/breathing rate mean a feeling of pleasure?

>>31974

>sub-sentences meme

This is like the NLP meme. If the person consciously notices it, they can reject it. If they only subconsciously notice it, then it doesn't effect them.

However, if they consciously notice it and let it pass through, then it's no longer sinister, since they've accepted it.

It's like subliminal advertising, except even worse since it requires more cognition to properly comprehend. And subliminal advertising is already really ineffective http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30878843

(In short, subliminal advertising has only been shown in controlled lab settings to work on products that were already known and somewhat liked, but not on products that the participant would already choose, and in some real world attempts found to be completely ineffective).