/htg/ - Harlot Trainer General

>>27229

ffs Tom, if you want money just start charging royalties or sell extra features for Ren'Py; instead of trying to jew shekels on patreon.

he should go for a "free to try but pay xx$/year if you make money from it" model.

In a just world, all the people making thousands monthly by using his engine would be paying him some percentage. But that's not where we live. And normal people won't give a shit when there's not content involved.

>>27229

>Do you think he deserves more money?

He's released Ren'py for free, and continues to do so. Those who use free software within their respective ToS/ToU/etc are free to use said software to whatever ends. That said, Tom "deserves" what he makes, and chooses to make, but also has the ability to make a lot more. If Tom decided to charge royalties, he would "deserve" them.

As far as opinions go (implying all previous text is fact, come at me), I'm pretty sure most would agree in that Tom would be reasonably justified in charging some sort of cut from profits made with his software.

>>27232

>>27234

If Tom wants to charge royalties…

I would think that the rates should scale with profit but only start after a threshold, wouldn't want to scare off people from using the software to begin with.

…something along the lines of 5% once profits reach 100$/month would work. maybe not those numbers specifically though.

>>27242

>In a just world, all the people making thousands monthly by using his engine would be paying him some percentage.

I disagree, especially if this contradicts Tom's interests.

Also, "in a just world", the software developer can determine if and how much money a user must pay for the use or specific uses of their software.

>>27254

Tom treats RenPy as a hobby. He's not interested in what his devs want. He doesn't conduct polls. He doesn't take development feedback. He prioritizes whatever takes his fancy. And, pertinent to this board, he's not very interested in supporting porn. He 'allows' it, since he can't stop it, but he does nothing to support the development of hentai or porn. He has a very specific mental model of what he wants done with RenPy - Visual Novels. He's not interested in real-time actions, video systems, etc. RenPy is what it is. Devs who are serious about the gameplay aspect usually end up looking at Unity.

That's a shame though, because Unity is a pain in the ass to develop for.

He fucked up by making it free in the first place. He can't go back and start charging for it. It's the same reason why WotC scrapped D&D 3rd-ed. They couldn't charge people for the core rules and had to flood the market with secondary books and ruin their good will with the fans. Yeah, they fucked up with 4E by releasing hot garbage, but with 5E they're back to being the top selling RPG by only releasing a part of the game rules for free and releasing less but better expansion content.

Had Tom thought ahead, yeah he could have gone Unity with it. Have a free version that forces a splash screen and had fewer options, then have a payed version that cost money and gave royalties. But it's too late now and he has every right to milk the fans who think he deserves money for his work.

And to cut off the nignogs, no, I am not giving him any money.

Well the people who make money off of his engine have a moral obligation to donate to him, and they probably do, look through his patrons.

Why does his profile pic make him look like GabeeeNewell

Huh, he actually got a few more patrons.

Did he make a mistake making it free?

maybe. probably yes

Does he deserve some money for his work?

certainly

>>29555

Will he get any more money?

Nah

>>27229

Considering how much money is made from his thing, yeah he does.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay him.

>>29555

If it wasn't free, it wouldn't be relevant.

>>27596

He can't go back and start charging for what's already released free, but he could definitely make new extensions and sell those.

>>27229

he can't expect to get money from a few code modification of python visual novel script Open Source GPL.

The original engine is called Renai Pyrhon (pun on purpose i think) and is exclusive to linux it can be ported but nobody did it before this guy is the only novelty.

Does he deserves it well not really,since the engine is more like a port,i used the original and renpy was more difficult to use compared to renai python.

>>29579

That doesn't make sense.

This is the nature of free software, you're probably using hundreds of libraries right now that are maintained by someone on their free time, the motivations are many but often ideological - software should be free to inspect, modify and distribute. To get corporate sponsorship from Intel and such you have to have be Linux kernel tier.

>>27229

is similar to russian mod,in other words you complained of those guys saying they shouldn't request money because is a mod think that renpy isn't a mod is a port compiled to take certain advantages.

Differences betwen renai python and ren'py are just a few.

What renpy has that renai python don't

.- Joystick control

.- Custom resolution output.

.- Has been ported to different platforms.

What ren'ai python has that ren'py don't

.- Easier coding

.- Engine optimized and divided betwen gameplay.

.- Updated more frequently

.- Module loading in other words each game becomes a module and you can have as much as you want.

The problem of renai python is that is linux exclusive

>>29609

>renai python

So, uh, did Tom just erased all trace of renai python on the internet?

>>29610

don't know but is on several packages of linux distros along with renpy.

weird both show up on old ubuntu 12.10

>>29609

>renai python is that is linux exclusive

The name implies it's made in Python. Why couldn't you port it on over?

>>29670

No, I mean, are you just making shit up?

>>29679

maybe the same reason as why nobody bothered to port those thousands of exclusive linux game engines.

one thing that comes to mind is linux even a beta is far more stable then windows and the area that linux has an advantage is hardware management linux is way better so asuming this we have a general idea of why is difficult to port because it requires higher end machines instead of the low end PC used for linux because windows fails on tons of areas in hardware memory leaks,gpu crash and tons more.

>>29734

You're spouting a lot of BS.

>>27570

he can still do all this and ask for money. It's having something extra for when he gets old, wants to help his kids, etc.

He deserves the money since he has created what is for many people a money maker tool.

>>29736

someone should ban the kids that are just windows fanboys.

>>29737

t5he same applies to people that helped on game development like the guys that made unteralterbach but what was it that you said when they asked for money to keep everything running

Oohh yes i remembered you said "is a scam they wouldn't ask for money even if they are planning a second game" but the money was needed to pay for the art

>>27229

Since the software its free in the first place and helps a lot of devs, i say it is fine if he puts a Pantreon for optional "donations"

You are not forced to pay, and if you want to give him a few bucks for a month or two its fine.

i'd rather have that than having him turn Ren'Py into a paid software.

Wait, why does everyone just ignore the renai Python BS? I couldn't find any proof that the story is not BS. Tom made Ren'Py. Full stop.

>>29745

similar to open source rpg maker 3d for linux few people knows of it and windows fanboys say is a lie and BS

>>29745

like authors of winds disciple denying they made another game http://www.aldorlea.org/skyborn.php

>>29745

ported renpy

>>29752

>>29754

>>29762

Dude, show some proof. Tom is not Clinton. He can't just delete all traces of this original "renai python" from the internet.

Wait, are you trolling?

>>29769

Ren'Py just stands for Renai Python anyway so…

>>29787

then what is the need to have both on linux if is the same

>>29789

Dude, stop bullshiting.

>>29814

windows fanboy denying the hundred of alternatives and origins of certain software.

renai python is just one of the hundred of visual novel engine on linux just use linux if you think is a lie

>>29831

There is no record of it. Tom is not Clinton. If he stole Ren'Py from this supposedly original "renai python", I would be able to easily google it.

Put more effort in your trolling.

>>29840

we have an analphabet here.

i did what >>29831 said downloaded linux searched the packages app and both are there but in google nothing shows up but using yandex,duckduckgo you get some results.

Did you downloaded linux and checked because google won't show up results because google barelly show results of linux related software.

>>29840

troll in sight

>>29929

> google won't show up results because google barelly show results of linux related software

Uh, yes they do.

So your "proof" is literally just one of the distro having 2 different packages for Ren'Py?

Really now… "Google barely shows results on linux related software," how do you even come up with that?

Regardless, the only hits for "renai python" in both Google and DuckDuckGo are Ren'Py Facebook and Ren'Py Wikipedia page (both clearly stating "Ren'ai Python" is merely a disambiguation of "Ren'Py"); and yandex only throws in some forum/blog posts on Ren'Py.

There are some alternatives (including Linux exclusives, IIRC) to Ren'Py, but there's no separate thing called "Renai Python". And distros with binary repositories do have multiple packages for the same program (which may have different builds/functionality in them).

>>29951

Don't feed the troll.

>>29951

tom we know you want money but as we said if people didn't donate to your paypal was because is a port and you didn't code anything.

Good to see Tom trying to get money from any place specially after the kickstarter failed.

>>29954

Ugh… I *knew* I've missed something.

Probably because I've never really understood their digestion process. Do they fap to annoyed people or something?…

>>29743

this, one of the main perks of ren'py is that it's completely free to use