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>>170600 (OP)

Again, as the translator of the summary, that I could be wrong. The only thing I'm utterly sure about is the student being framed of the crime, the pink-hair having something to do with it, and that she has a perverted body

>>170602

No we will trust that you are 100% accurate and if you get anything wrong of if we get heavily disappointed again we will hate you forever.

>>170604

Thanks…well the Japanese threads say something similar. They even compared the girls to previous heroines and I was able to get some new info

Pink: Kasumi, Kaho (chronic masturbator) and a new teacher

Blue: Hatsune, Yuuri (Clueless about sex)

Blonde: Kaede, Shino, Kazuha (Milk tits) and english teacher

Silver: Naomi, Kaede (Emotionless) and the nurse

Brunette: Kurumi, Asahi (Loli with tits) and the gym teacher apparently

Once the bugbug new edition comes out, more things can become clear, as well as better translator can make things out better then I can

>>170600 (OP)

>making strong intelligent women turn into sluts

My hope lies in this hasty translation. Please actually mind break them this time Bishop.

Sidenote, the blonde makes my dick Jojo part 4.

>>170600 (OP)

>Sofmap drama CD

Hmm, excuse me, but what is a drama CD ? Extended audio only story I presume ?

Even Kutsujoku has mindbreak for most the girls (just late into the game instead of halfway point), so I don't think there's much to worry.

I remember tweets and such talking about how Kutsujoku was made with the goal of really driving home the whole humiliation and sadistic aspects, treating the girls as meat dolls and all that. So as long as this game isn't as focused on humiliation and degradation, it probably won't be like that.

One thing I do hope is a bit similar to kutsujoku is the sexual content, though. The harsher play Kutsujoku has was really a return to form after a string of more uninspired, playing it excessively safe games. And to have hardcore sex you don't really need to go all grimdark in the narrative, as many other Bishop games have harsher sex but aren't nowhere as bleak as Kutsujoku.

>>170631

Audio-only, yes.

Typically it's either post-game story or just fun additional scenario content. More commonly it can be an alternate route altogether, like how the entire story is rewritten from head-to-toe with Kara no Shoujo's drama cd.

BISHOP decided to use drama cds as "What If" or "Vanilla" routes, so instead of hearing more post-break Ayana and Anju since we get so little of that in KTJK (literally just the very endings) you get to hear what it'd be like if you didn't use super powers to break them but fell in with them some other way. It's lame compared to having more post-break stuff but it's nice enough I suppose and it does confirm what is always true of every BISHOP girl in any BISHOP game - they are sluts.

In Anju's she gets hot for you after your graduation and teases you into having sex with her. She wants to "monopolize the protagonist" is what the sofmap description said, if I remember right. Basically just goes to show that if it wasn't for the superpower subjugation of the protag Anju would be sexually dominant like some horny MILF eating a shota. Even includes a brief prostate massage to get him back up again.

>>170686

Kutsujoku does have some pretty good ahegao, just look at the OP pic.

I agree there should have been more, but that's a complaint I extend to most of modern Bishop. Ever since Mesu Kyoushi 4 (and obviously, with a few exceptions) ahegao has been restricted to post-break/retraining scenes. I miss games like SM or UK where every penetrative sex scene would be capped off with an ahegao. I think what little ahegao it had was still better than most of the ahegao after MK4.

Okay I was able to make things out a bit better of the translation with a better japanese reader.

The protag being framed of the crime? That part is true.

However, the story is that when he was able to return back, the pink-head actually apologized to him for misunderstanding what happened and asked what she can do to make it up to him.

Well he did what all BISHOP protags would do (Not helped by the leverage of knowing the secret of her perverted body) and decided to take revenge on the school that framed him as well as the teacher he lusted for.

So pink hair isn't evil. Her character description made me confused since it called her harsh. But apparently its more because she wants her students to succeed and decided stern was the best method…still has a massively slutty body though

It's a shame though that we didn't have n evil pink-head…though if one of the other teachers was responsible, then that would make up for it.

Given that Pink-head is a slut, Blue is clueless, Blonde has milk tits…Yeah I think this game will have mindbreak. I hope we're just overreacting over Kutsojoku, and this game will be fine.

Oh, and can someone post an archive to the previous thread?

>>170718

>Oh, and can someone post an archive to the previous thread?

Gotcha covered https://archive.is/IDwiX

>>170708

That's a bit disappointing, I was looking forward to a mean pink. Well I'm sure she'll still be fun, like Kasumi and Shion are with their pent up lewdness.

And another thing. Apparently the title translate something like: Podium of Domination

Basically teacher's podium and all that stuff.

Again, this has good implication for a mindbreak game

>>170830

>Podium of Domination

It's entirely promising, I'll say that. But we do still need screens before we can let the hype build again. If we get burned twice I don't even know man

Just gotta keep an eye out and see, though yeah, from title to titty this is looking promising

Been replaying Kutsojoku for Tomoe…God damn do I hate it! In a usual BISHOP story, Tomoe gets more and more perverted, steadily grows more attracted to the MC, enjoys getting pregnant…

But that's not here! She hates what being done to her body, becomes downright terrified of the MC at the end, and responded to her pregnancy how realistically one would. The fact that she gets all heart like in her endings is just hollow.

It shows pathetic this MC is. All the others MC eventually had their girls fall in love/lust with them over a rather short period of time if you go by one girls only (Two weeks top), but this guy could barely cause a reaction until it was too late for this game to redeem itself

I've been wanting to rant a bit, and seeing Tomoe crying for most of her h-scenes was what did it, since in a proper BISHOP game she would stop crying after the first training scene, and just kept on blushing instead.

And I usually enjoy BIshop girls crying since I know they will eventually become a slut. But in this game it is just hollow

>>170686

… is it wrong that complete orgasms so intense that they cause mind obliteration brain seizures are my fetish

>>170976

Lastly is the dialogue and voice acting. This is pretty easy since you can hear the difference in their voices from when they're just being raped or frightened and when they start to get that sweet, sweet hot breath of passion. These seiyuu are big time vets and they pulled this off perfectly. You can really tell when they're putting up a forced smile and when they're actually starting to degrade because their bodies are getting so hooked on it.

Lots of us thought KTJK was going to be about the girls' bodies being enslaved before their minds since the protag's power was the inverse of the usual saimin/hypnotism schtick. In a sense it's obvious that's what BISHOP intended and it shows.

Maybe they changed their minds or there were too many cooks over the pot, but somehow this humiliation game took on a fear and muh darkness, muh misery theme - or perhaps that's what they always intended - and so the idea of the girls at all being broken before the ending (as is hinted at in the preview video of the game where their gem hearts shatter right at the very end and the repeated "she's killing her heart" line in the game). Whatever the reason, the idea that the girls begin to submit physically before submitting in their heart is still present and it's the main cause as to why there isn't way more super-power usage as the routes progress. Yes, fear has to do with that but also that they begin to submit themselves against their will.

Maybe another the reason they chose to implement this thing of being frightened and scared is because they couldn't think of another way the girls would physically submit themselves without also submitting in their heart. Who knows? Point is, at the end of the day the girls do enjoy it (well…most of them) and their struggle to deny this is very clear.

If the protag wasn't beastly but as verbally slick as the previous MCs maybe he could have broken them like usual but that'd be against the overall muh dark and slooooOOOOOOoow degradation theme of the game.

So to summarize:

- Girls orgasm like sluts over being used like dolls and being forced, but they don't want to accept the pleasure so they start a conflict with their bodies and their hearts that doesn't end until the last scenes of the game.

- Protag is a literal idiot; don't always take what he says even in monologue at face value

- Protag is not entirely consistent with the "entitled Ellio Roger faggot" characterization and sometimes shows consideration for the girl - though VERY, VERY rarely (although his fascination in making them orgasm is pretty neat and not entirely expected of a selfish douche who'd demand they use onahole lube to wet their slits because he's horny and doesn't want to waste time with foreplay)

- Girls are genuinely terrified and burdened and can even become depressed, but that doesn't remove the internal struggle or negate the fierce orgasms they have which often knock them into muttering messes on the floor

Once you realize at least this much you'll be able to salvage quite a bit of fun from KTJK - mostly.

Before anyone says anything, I already know why the pregnancy confession scene and the submission scene (where they accept their Master and being slaves) are ruined. They happen too early and the girls aren't broken yet

doesn't change how crap it is

Honestly at this point I'm just tired of this thread incessant bitching about this game.

I get it, you don't like it and you've already made all your reasons pretty clear over the months.

Do you guys still need to be in autistic seething rage mode months after still repeating the same thing about how the game is NOT MUH?

I have gripes with KTJK myself, but goddamn it's just tiresome at this point.

>>171112

Sorry, sorry. Let's just hype up for the next game instead

I think it just boils down to a very simple fact - enjoying Kutsujoku rides a lot on how much one enjoys sadism and more extreme dominance.

A lot of complaints I see thrown around are for people who enjoy more reciprocity. More corruption than mindbreak I'd say, the girl seeking pleasure on her own after being forcefully fed a taste of it instead of her being literally broken and remodeled into someone who seeks pleasure. Bishop tends to have elements of both (Ootsu even talked on twitter about how between him and another writer there's one who likes the girls "becoming chairs for the protagonist to sit on" and other who likes more lovey scenarios. This was way before KTJK was even announced), but leans more towards corruption. There's still a mindbreak element but it's not as strong, by the moment we reach what we call the "break scene" the girl has already accepted pleasure and just needs a final push into accepting her subservience.

Kutsujoku is firmly on rape and mindbreak territory, the girls are abused to the point of breaking, they aren't given the option to seek pleasure in their own because the protagonist is in complete control of them (literally, in this case, due to the body manipulation), so instead of a gradual change of heart, they are just pushed to a literal breaking point where the pleasure takes over.

I enjoy both approaches so I don't really have a problem with Kutsujoku's tone or pacing. Even more so since we also have games like Shura no Chikando in the past where the breaking element is completely absent, and others like MK3 where it's really light. So I don't mind a swing in the other direction either. As long as these titles leaning more towards one side or the other are intertwined by ones that strike a better balance.

My problems with Kutsujoku basically amount to not liking the protagonist very much, I prefer the ones that are more mustache twirling, over the top schemmers like Reiji, the MK protagonists save for 3, and Ryou. Actually I think if the protagonist of this game wasn't as bitchy and entitled a lot of people would have an easier time with it. You can have a sadistic protagonist without devolving into /r9k/.

And I'd prefer it the game had more post-break content to have better grounds to see the heroine's change. The one or two scenes in the end are too little

But that's the extent of problems I have with it. The art is gorgeous, the voice acting and music are also pretty good and as I said I enjoy both corruption with the girl seeking pleasure on her own and seeing them completley dominated.

>>171112

Nah i will voice my anger at that game as much as i want.

Just look at this shit >>170612, this is Mahiro's

non pregnant ending. This is not arousing, this is not sexy, this not a fucking BISHOP ending at all. Pregnant is as bad where Mahiro gets tortured every day as protag has a chest full of things to torture her with. And why? Just because she,reasonably, told Ayana he is a lost cause and made Ayana reveal her true motives. Why not threat Ayana, the one that literally caused his mental breakdown, as harsh? Becuase of BS, thats it.

I know many people complain about BISHOP being pretty formulaic but thats their freaking appeal! Familiarity! They literally are the only ones that makes quality corruption games that arent about turning girls into a bunch of dudes cumdump. Like can anyone even mention a corruption game in the same style as BISHOP? Those are barely made.

So fuck this "lets move on", i wont fucking move on until their next game is an actual classic corruption game!

>>171135

Well feel free to be angry as much as you want then. It would be hypocritical to say otherwise because I used to be this way towards MK3.

Also while I agree Bishop has an identity for their corruption games, I don't mind some experimentation, as I said here >>171122

>we also have games like Shura no Chikando in the past where the breaking element is completely absent, and others like MK3 where it's really light. So I don't mind a swing in the other direction either. As long as these titles leaning more towards one side or the other are intertwined by ones that strike a better balance.

Also about games similar to Bishop, while there aren't any exactly like it I I think there are companies (and individual games from otherwise diverse companies) that do hit similar notes to Bishop. Lune, for one. While not all their games have this corruption element to them, they're frequent enough. It's true that I don't remember any other companies tht do this frequently, but I sure do remember individual games.

https://vndb.org/v20603 from Witchflame is an example, the protagonist has an ability that makes the girls turned on and obedient to him the longer they stay around him. So he invites a lot of women to an insland and proceeds to make them slaves. I think https://vndb.org/v18942 has a similar feel to it but I never played it.

POISON is not a company you'll enjoy in general, because they have some gangbang situations, but their debut game https://vndb.org/v6762 is MC only. Also https://vndb.org/v19600 is also protagonist only and has somewhat slowburn corruption. However those games being hypnosis focused don't have as much in the way of the girls resisting. Even if they hate the protagonist initially (in W Saimin they do, in Oyako not), they are entranced when they fuck the first few times, before changes to their sexual desires and opinion on him start sticking.

On the topic of hypnosis, Fudegaki also has games with protagonist only focus like https://vndb.org/v15873 and https://vndb.org/v20681 and it's sequels.

Before you point out the obvious, they aren't the same as Bishop but they feel similar (especially the ones that don't involve mind control, for obvious reasons. The MC ones still do a similar thing with how the girl progress but mind control is different than mindbreak). I still prefer Bishop to any of these, but it's not like Bishop is a complete unicorn when it comes to corruption.

>>171170

Oh, there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQdCtnqDmBs which is coming out this month. While it's also a hypnosis game, it seems the main point is using hypnosis to make the girls seek pleasure and seek the protagonist on their own, discovering their own inner lust. They even use similar terms like saying the girls will become "slaves to the pleasure", the protagonist has an assistant who is also his slave, that sort of thing. And at least from what was said in their campaign, there doesn't seem to be any sharing going on either.

This is one of the games I have the highest expectations of being similar to Bishop (despite the art, obviously, not being as good), but I will only be able to tell for sure when it comes out. Could be that their campaign sounds better than what they actually do on the game. A lot of it sure does sound like something from Bishop or Lune to me.

>>171135

>this is Mahiro's non pregnant ending.

Actually I'm pretty sure that's the pregnancy ending but she's given birth already. She actually likes it there but they didn't give her ahegao until she orgasms later.

But yeah the non-pregnant ending isn't so good

>>171207

True enough. I had forgotten how hardcore the principal and daughter route was. It was my least favorite I basically never revisited.

Ignore this recommendation then, or at least stay away from that route.

>>171225

That's alright it happens. Kinda funny how we just ignore routes we hate and when we look back we're like "Oh wait yeah that was in the game too wasn't it?"

Kinda like that one really boring stretch of a vidya your mind blocks out until you replay it and groan as it all comes back to you lol

>>171206

>It'd be nice to get another game like Kyonyuu Saimin 2 where you get the choice of being an evil villain or a nice guy (despite the whole "hypnotism sex" thing).

Some of the writers/directors at Lune like that kind of stuff, though they don't do it all the time. The Princess Saimin game they released recently have alternate endings for all heroines, one where it becomes more loving and one where it's full on slave, with the girls locked away in basements and such.

I haven't played Kyonyuu Daikazoku Saimin but according to >>142808 it's like that as well.

I also which it was more common, it's nice tosee the relationships develop differently, though I almost always end up going evil route (unless the evil route devolves into guro or ryona, not fond of that kind of thing). Don't think it will be the case with this Interheart game though.

>It seems interesting but Interheart games are usually pretty short since most of the scenes involve move animations.

I never played anything from them, that's a shame, That's the downside of having animations, the games always end up shorter. Still curious though, the writer for that game never was the main writer of anything so I'm more curious to see what he does with the concept.

>Those Fudegaki games are pretty weak tho Looked at them a while back in galleries and eh

I quite like Saiminbo, but most Fudegaki fans don't like this game for whatever reason. Maybe it's because it isn't as focused on hypnosis as the other works from them.

And yeah at the end of the day Bishop wins for production values alone - unless we're talking about something like Shura no Chikando which doesn't have art as good.

Even the games I'm not that fond of like Mesu Kyoushi 3 have such great art and voice acting it's still worth going back to play at least a few scenes to me.

>>171305

Man, maybe I should replay it. That's crazy different between them and I like that.

Is there a walkthrough or something, though? Because stumbling from one girl to another still bugs me.

>It's a nice incentive to replay and to use the "cum outside" option at all. I never use it otherwise.

EXACTLY! And is it just me or is it even more satisfying to finish inside when you have the option to finish outside, too? Even in a game like Sansha Mendan where inside/outside doesn't really effect anything there's just something neat about getting the option and you purposely choosing the inside option.

Though yeah actually having it affect the girl's route is best.

Also

>Kuro no Kyoushitsu

Is that the game where they first implemented the setting lighting on the character sprites, where they're dark if the setting is dark and lighter in the daylight? Man what a great addition I'm glad they kept.

In contrast I don't really get the hot-breath option, even though I only realized I could turn it off afterwards since I saw the CGs on ehentai with them. I mean I get what they're supposed to be, further evidence of the girls getting so sexually heated you can see their breath in that anime style way, but when the artwork is so good it just dampens the little details.

You know, despite my disdain for Kutsojoku, there is a lot of things I wish they keep in it for future BISHOP games.

I wish they'd keep the coloring, Akagi Rio, the cum inside x-ray…we already know they're keeping the coloring and Akagi Rio, and I hope they keep the x-ray, those were hot.

The next game just can have everything the Kutsojoku have…except for the MC and the lack of mind break. Other then that, it would be perfect

Side note, what special power do you think the MC has? He's not a teacher, so he can't do the sexual training gimmick the gym teachers from KS, KNK, and KJ had. Most of the student MCs have something up with their dicks, with MK1/MK2 semen milk, MK3 dick growth, SM womb pierce, Gakuen 3 cum inflations, The only exception is MK4, but he was practically trained all his life for being a BISHOP protag so he doesn't count.

Personally I'm hoping for it to be like CNS, where they reveal some detail, only to reveal in one of the cgs, that the MC has cum inflation. It's been a while for it

>>171507

Mk4's protag really didn't have any special ability, huh. He was very sexually experienced though. It made him know all the right buttons to push to make a girl feel good from sex, so much they were always gauranteed to orgasm from it. In that way his 'power' is probably the most 'realistic' and conventional one. It is all skill and experience in being a lady pleaser. I wouls outright say he is the most 'female friendly' if he didn't rape the girls, cause he almost always seeks to get the girls off first over himself. He is not sexually selfish and relishes in their own pleasure from the acts.

>>171536

Yeah that's true, but to quote my comment 'Only exception is MK4'

>>171507

Cum inflation would be killer IF we also get more than one pregnant scene (or one scene with multiple CGs, like in KTJK and earlier BISHOP titles). I don't want this UK-teir "well they look pregnant anyway so just do one scene at the end".

But yeah, good ol' semen-inflation would be great. If we already have Cow Tits returning then maybe we'll have that too, although in KTJK there were a few brief glimpses of the protag jamming their wombs, replete with the screen shake and the same sound effect, so they might do womb piercing again since it's less costly on the CGs and doesn't require more of them.

I'd prefer the inflation, though, since if it's womb piercing again I'd just end up comparing the new guy to SM's protag and that wouldn't be fair to him.

>>171627

Anon why did you save that tiny pic?

Anyone know where you can find the latest bugbug?

>>171633

No idea. I only found the ones a month late so no dice.

It'd help to get better scans of the previews for the new game but I think we've got all we're gonna get anyway

>>171629

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>>147237

>>171710

In terms of picture yes, but not so in terms of words as its hard to read

>>171710

Okay, this game will have four artists with Oonari working on 2 while Akagi, Tomoaki, and Umetori working on one each.

Oonari: Pink and Blue

Akagi: Blonde

Tomoaki: White/Silver/Purple (It's hard to tell)

Umetori: Brunette

>>171714

Blond : Akagi, of course

Pink : Uriri

Blue : Tomoaki

Silver : Oonari

Brunette : Uriri/Oonari? Oonari maybe

>>171714

>>171729

So many artists. I miss the days of Kagami doing most heroines with only a little backup from Kanami or Tomoaki.

>>171731

Kanami did excellent touch-up work but I don't think Kanami did any girls wholesale. Wasn't it always just the dynamic duo of Kagami and Oonari?

>>171739

Kanami did Hatsune and Narumi in Sansha Mendan.

>>171740

Both of em are Oonari's.

>>171740

Both of those girls are oonari girls though.

>>171759

I have hopes for the new game silver. Suzuno is one of my favorite heroines and i love how many shots of her showed her ass.

>>171762

>>171763

I think his point is that Oonari made one girl thats his usual style (Pink) and other that have a Kagami flair (Lina).

>>171642

yep, that one.

One of my favourite scenes in SM

>>171763

>>171762

>>171770

No anon I was just retarded lol

Still, it's what you said that Oonari gave one of his girls a more Kagami flair which was neat.

>>171814

I guess Shino was the Oonari styled girl Kagami did right?

Her design doesnt exactly screams Kagami and when she isnt ahegaoing she looks like an Oonari girl.

What makes Shino look so different is that she has tareme style eyes. Typically Kagami girls have pretty sharp looking tsureme style eyes or hosome eyes. It is what gives them that 'resting bitch face' glare.

>>171893

I think its also the way she dresses and her personality, when you look at her and compare her to Mifuyu there is a world of difference.

Also the fact that you never see her really really hate the MC like most BISHOP Kagami heroines do, even the calm ones tend to look despising the MC when he rapes but not Shino.

>>171893

>tarame

>tsureme

>hosome

You got examples of this, dude? I'd like to have a graphic or something so maybe we can see where the personalities of the new girls will be going. or for reference

>>171975

Oh thank god, clearer words.

Well Pink and Blue are about the same. A nymphomaniac and a clueless chick

Blonde: A prideful english teacher who was born into money. Has everyone living in fear of her due to her high class and attitude. Has nothing but contempts for her tits which are as stated before, milk-filled

White: The cool stoic nurse of the school. A bit of an enigma amongst the students and staff, but is appreciated for her knowledge. Mentions something about her constitutions but I can't make out what.

Brown: The cheerful gym teacher of the school. Despite being childish in looks and personality, is a very talented athelete appreciated by the school. And despite her petite frame, she's more then admired for her ample chest.

So nothing new. I can't properly say what their names are, but at least we have the full shot now

>>171984

Thanks!

Huh. The white-haired chick is named Anna…honestly I was expecting that to apply to Miria, but its still interesting. I just love how the brunette is named Moeka

>>171984

>>171977

>inb4, Miria voiced by Misonoo Mei.

>>171997

Moeka's not like a meme name or anything, real people share it down to a T ( https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/野崎萌香 ), but yeah it uses the same kanji characters as "moe" so they were probably going at least slightly for a "lolol this character is moe so her name is moeka".

>>171984

You know, I thought the Anna had the standard pants, shirt, and jacket, but now that I take a closer look, It's a short white dress (And I do mean short) covered in some sort of black covering topped with white jacket.

Well she just keeps getting hotter

>>171999

Oh okay, thanks TripsAnon.

heh At least I wasn't totally off.

>>171997

You're probably thinking of Kashima from Nozaki-kun. They both have blue hair as well, so there's that

>>172000

I wouldn't mind too, but, she's voicing too many BISHOP heroines in small span.

I hope they get mix of new VAs and veteran VAs.

>>172034

>Is she the first BISHOP heroine to have a western name?

Nope, BISHOP already have many heroines with western name.

>>172034

No we've had Western named heroines before, often English teachers or foreign exchange or something.

Though yeah, while I prefer light skin it's nice to have the variety and if she was designed to be tan from the start then it doesn't feel awkward. KTJK's odd inclusion of dark skinned sprites didn't make sense to me. Why would anyone want a dark skinned Anju, Ayana or especially Aika? It's weird.

But maybe that inclusion was just BISHOP testing out the dark skinned coloring again. Who knows? I just really like how uniquely she's dressed. Body types are most important but I do miss the more unique attire designs we would have on occasion (Anju dressing like a slut was alright but I mean the kinda stuff we see with Anna)

If you were making your own Bishop schools with you as a protag, which girls would you pick? I'd limit to one girl per game and make teachers and students separate.

In case you don't understand, here's my take (I decided on 5 girls as my limit and with different colors to boot!)

Schoolgirls:

Tsubaki

Kaede

Shizuka

Tomoe

Emiri

Teachers:

Naomi

Shino

Kaho

Eriko

Ritsuko

>>172258

Well I'd definitely have young Asagi Tsubaki (although I'd add in Saori, too, if not for the "one girl per" rule)

I'd probably have Tomoe or Anju from KTJK, honestly. Maki from MK4 -- oh, but Sayuri!

C-COME ON, ANON! Don't make me choose! I usually go with two faves per game and that's killin me lol

>>172258

Students:

Suzuno.

Mahiru

Kaede

Hatsune

Mahiro (If the protag is not a faggot like her game's)

Maki

Eri(o)ko

Mifuyu

Chisato

Makino (If the protag isnt a cuck like UK).

>>172583

I just love Tsubaki's design because of how its a carbon copy of Asagi.

It's for all those fans who want to finally exclusively have sex with Asagi and knock her up!

Sure it's rape, but considering Bishop's girl gets a caring master, a content life with him, having children and just having a content life…

Yeah, its practically vanilla by Lilith standard

>>172592

I don't understand the appeal of Asagi. Her artist drew much better heroines and her voice acting is nothing special. Why do I see her getting mentioned from time to time on cuckchan?

--checks the voice actress and her work history–

--all she ever does is boring cuckshit–

Ooooh, now I get it. Just a bunch of usual cucks who are popularizing their fetish. Nevermind.

>>172258

>If you were making your own Bishop schools with a protag?

The protagonist would be lot more villanous, and never be a cuck. If any man (or even groups of men) dares to touch his woman, the least he would do is curbstomp the fuckers and then force them to eat glass.

What annoys me about "dark" hentai is that writers can't tell the difference between writing cuckporn and writing an actual dark story.

>>172592

>Sure it's rape, but considering Bishop's girl gets a caring master, a content life with him, having children and just having a content life…

Yeah the guy that gets one of his slaves get gangbanged sure its caring. The guy will whore Tsubaki out the moment it benefits him in some hard circumstance.

>>172738

Dude, that was one A: In Takako ending only, and

B: I can't help but wonder if people even bother to read that ending. It was pretty explicit about him doing that to test Takako loyalties and no indication that he will plan on doing it again. Sure I don't approve, but its something way too overblown by the others.

>>172748

> It was pretty explicit about him doing that to test Takako loyalties

Doesnt sounds like something someone that is "caring" would do. Reiji will look after him above all else so the moment things gets hard and he can get away with it by trowing Tsubaki under the bus he will do it.

>>172756

Getting a girl bathed in cum its not the same as letting random dudes fills a girl every hole as they pump semen inside her (Not to mention at least the hobos scene is thematic sue to her fetish unlike with Makino which just had no basis for it).

Also there is the harem route where every tidbit learned from the routes are joined in them. So yeah if he has no problems letting Makino get fucked by a bunch of guys (Which would be one of the traits he seeks in an slave as well) then he has no problem letting other girls get fucked by guys. If he does it to see if they are loyal then its a no brainer he will do it to see if the girls are willing to get fucked for his sake.

So yeah, at least in Asagi she is subject to all that because she is forced which is non canon and its not arranged by the guy she loves. So Reiji is pimping her ass.

>>172762

>Getting a girl bathed in cum its not the same

No it's plenty the same, the only difference is the gravity of it. Sure it's more severe to get your ass blown out by a Berserk demon horse but that doesn't make fishlips here forcing his tongue in your colon any less fruity.

What I'm saying is, gangbangs are terrible and NTR in any form is worst, but though "hobo cum bukakke" is the least of these that doesn't make it any more tolerable. It might be more revolting to see the girl you like eating a man's rod but it's still sickening to see your girl wallowing in another dude's jizz.

>inb4 but Marika was a cumslut and SM protag did that to get off on her getting off

Doesn't make it better. Pretty much the same reasoning behind the gangbang in UK anyway.

ALL of this is secondary to the fact that Reiji handles each girl differently, however. He'd never unleash his full sadism on Tsubaki or the gym one like he does with Saori, for example.

>If he does it to see if they are loyal then its a no brainer he will do it to see if the girls

Alright, so since there's literally no evidence of this whatsoever (we're not playing by implied evidence rules like in Ochiru Hitozuma where no matter your choices it's implied the faggot MC tricks out his girls to his homeboys) we're just gonna agree to disagree with your head canon and move on, ay?

>So yeah, at least in Asagi

Anon no, just…come on.

>>171305

not to derail but since the mc of that game reminded me of the mc of KTJK i just wanted tos ay that he had superpowers similar (well way stronger and superior) to KTJK's mc and you know what?

he used his control over the body to instigate a forced lactation in her physiology. he literally made a non-preg into a cow tits by his super power over her body's physiology

maybe if KTJK's protag wasn't an idiot we coulda had something cool like that

>>172775

I wonder why Bishop doesn't give their protagonists eyes by now. They have the ability to go into settings and change the CGs so they don't display pubic hair, hot breath, and even ahegao, but they don't have an option to have the protagonist's eyes show with an on/off option. I know its for self insert reasons, but I honestly prefer it when a character in the story is their own character with their own reasoning and motivations.

>>172815

Yeah, the left one is Eren.

>Course that would mean having the other artists doing male faces and that's not a great idea since styles could change pretty hard.

I already hating Akagi MC face in KTJK. He had no mouth, make me hate him more.

>>172818

Eventually someone clued him in that the guy needs to have a mouth since he put a decent one in later on - at the end, which makes me think he was told to put in a mouth partway through development, like everyone just assumed he knew what "don't give him a face" actually meant until someone saw his linework and realized, "Oh no, he took it too literal"

, though yeah if there's one thing more distracting than a protag with eyes it's a protag with literally no face at all. lol

Oonari was on-point with the protag's face (a bit wonky with the thick brows peaking through but that's also a thing that's been done before I guess, it just looks needlessly tacked on here) but that's to be expected.

>>172818

>He had no mouth, make me hate him more.

haha got a giggle

>>172794

Because the protagonist's physical appearance is largely an aftertought. They often aren't even in the frame, at least not in a way that shows more than their hands and abs.

It's not just a matter of self-insertion but also of perspective and screen usage. The story is meant to be told from the protagonist's perspective. All non-sex scenes are first person from his perspective, he narrates everything, we get only his thought process. Even in sex scenes, where often the camera takes a third person perspective to show more interesting positions and show off the heroines more, the protagonist is still as out of the way as possible. And showing off the heroines is also why Bishop's, or most other hentai protagonists, don't have very clothing or hair, and don't have faces - they are not the focus of the scene, they aren't what the game is interested in exploring. From the visual standpoint, they are just there as a prop to enhance how hot the scene looks, which is why the places that get the most attention are the ones that will be involved in sexual activity. His character can be expressed plenty through text while the artist focuses solely on givin visual character to the girl.

>>172929

>[…]most other hentai protagonists, don't have very clothing or hair,

don't have very elaborate or distinctive clothing or hair*

>>172842

She is probably most well known from her role as Oboro from Lune's Evil Woman Executive.

>>173119

Probably because she DID steal the show. Check out this EWE popularity poll (click the yellow text, and keep in mind that this was before the Full Moon Knight expansion):

https://web.archive.org/web/20111018085018/http://marigold.1000.tv:80/lune/executive/vote/fvote.html

Oboro ranked first, with 591 votes.

>>173119

I've had issues with Interheart titles in the past. Even currently with this one Interheart title I'm playing called 'Hara Katsu 2' I had text flooding until I had to use an old work around to avoid it.

If you're getting all text threads that just endless flood of text then you need to use AGTH with /x3. Then sift through the threads until you find one that is relatively usable.

>>173177

I always use basic VNR or ITH with translation aggregator.

Haven't checked on AGTH though, and the kind of text flooding I get with ITH is just like a broken system speeding through schizophrenia

>>173178

>>173151

Seems like the ultimate tsuncutie. Maybe I'll check it out sometime considering everyone keeps shouting the accolades of this waifu

>>173177

Oh wait a minute I actually used this once

Probably have it somewhere around. I'll try it out

https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/6/#AGTH

>>173186

>>173177

Works like a charm! I forgot how useful this thing was. Shame it can't do Waffle but whatever.

Don't know what you meant by /x3 though. Just needed the /ks and /kf to get it to stop repeating like a nutter in a straight jacket.

>>173177

I can confirm the text flood does happen with the trial for Hitozuma Saimin Counseling.

I tried VNR, ITH and Chiitrans. I'll try AGTH when the actual game comes out, though I don't even remember how it works.

What do you mean by using AGTH "with /x3"?

Speaking of VNR, what's the current state of it? I know the original servers are dead but months ago I heard it got a new one somewhere. Does it have a working server? I use VNR only for text hooking and text to speech so not having a working server largely doesn't affect me. But it is getting increasingly more obnoxious to get all text threads of newer games working, so if VNR is still being updated somewhere it would probably be helpful.

>>173254

For the latest Skyhouse one you just needed to add /ks and /kr if I recall. It's in the guide https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/6/#AGTH

>>173205

I didn't consider /ks or /kf to fix the issue. I'll give them a shot with Hara Katsu 2 and see how things turn out.

>>172756

Not that guy, but I never played UK because of it.

>but each protagonist has some kind of one-off. That's all it is, a one-off.

One-off? Do you really believe this shit?

From what I read on a different forum, another problem with UK is that the woman wanted it. She wanted the other men to fuck her, and her ending points out that she desires it again.

To me, the woman must make it clear that she doesn't want any other man. Otherwise, my dick goes limp and I lose interest.

>Either ignore it like the hobo cum bukakke in SM or disregard the girl's route entirely.

I never knew about the hobo part with Marika until the patch came out because I never played her route. I also hated when the protagonist threatens Hatsune: unless she obeys, he'll have other men fuck her. I know he's bullshitting to keep her under control, but it still gets on my nerves.

Since I discovered the hobo scene, I stopped playing SM entirely. Not sure if I'll ever play the visual novel again.

Is there any other BISHOP game where the protagonist threatens the women like with Hatsune? Does he do this in MK3 and MK4?

>>173572

Well in MK4 the very reason Maki complies with the MC is that he will rape Yuuri and that he has allies that will help him do so (Which is obviously false since its a secret plan of his to get free from his uncle, Miyu is his only accomplice).

And yeah thats why i dont play UK, at least in SM there is no penetration. Fuck the cuck protagonist of that game.

Luckily after MK 3 success BISHOP dropped the shitty cuck scenes forever so its all good.

btw im glad that Quof got backlash for Sansha Mendan Hobo scene which basically shifted his plan to translate Ura Cuckyoushi to now translate MK 3 if he ever decides to translate another BISHOP game.

Well, personally I don't really care for Makino at all because I played UK for the teacher on students pairing, not the adult pairing. Besides, you have to rape all the schoolgirls atleast once to get Makino to show up and by then you might as well be doing her route while you're aiming for the harem route. She's an afterthought as far as I'm concerned. In regards to that, the actual schoolgirls are all great. Letting one heroine suddenly ruin the entire experience of the rest of the girls is incredibly thin-skinned.

>>173784

There are shitton of games around so I refuse to play a game where a dude see that piece of work that is Makino and think "you know what? She needs other men dicks inside her!". I only cared for her and notAsagi so the game became worthless after knowing about the cuckshit.

Glad that MK3 success showed BISHOP that there is more money in not pandering to cucks.

>>173796

That's a shame. Personally I enjoy age gap play that works on the male being older while the woman is younger, so UK had that appeal going for it over the other titles, leaving Makino as the black sheep out of the cast. The other titles that have done older male x younger girl age gap in their recent titles don't do belly inflation like UK did either. Well, except for Hina from CnS, which was part of what made her route so fun.

>>173589

I don't remember that happening in MK3. For real?

I don't remember the MC threatening any other girl like this. Been a long time since I played.

>>173717

As for MK4, the protagonist doesn't do this. He threatens Maki that he will attack Yuuri himself, and he bluffs about having other accomplices like Miyu (not necessarily other men). And he also points out something about his uncle (because his uncle owns the school) and using his power to destroy her if she refuses. There's nothing about allowing other men to have her.

>>173589

>I'm not giving up Mifuyu

Shame, because I do. I don't like that Mifuyu is married. Too bad, because she's one of the hottest hentai girls ever.

Why couldn't they just write her story about her being a widow? Or perhaps Marika being a bastard child and having a deadbeat dad? Mifuyu would then be perfect for my tastes.

Well, given Aina and Yuuna seem like they're fresh out of teachers college, or atleast about a year, I would wager their ages to be 24~26. Here's the reasoning: They lack that mature air that Maki has from MK4, and Yuuri from that title is supposed to be about a year or two younger, she's very young, especially for a principal. Maki is confirmed 27. So I would wager the twins would be Yuuri's age range of around mid twenties rather than late twenties. I find it more hilarious to think that Yuuna probably graduated from TC, found a job at some school as an art teacher, and then pretty much got raped by one of the students all in the same year.

Also

>using the shot of Mahiro getting choked out

Literally any other CG would have been better

>>174074

>>174070

wait what's that one for #2? looks like a taimanin knock-off

>>174128

It's an Alicesoft title: https://vndb.org/v21142

>>174128

>>174146

And for reference, the Beats Blade series predates the Taimanin series by several years.

>>174239

>>174146

No, of course I know about the Beat series. It's a classic, for what it's worth. I didn't really know that's what it was. Didn't know about this one, either, and wouldn't expect the artwork to land it a #2. Maybe I should check it out. Was that Haruka one any good? MangaGamer has it up in English. Then again, I never really thought much of the series to begin with since it's not my style, though yeah I know it.

Also Houkago immoral editions is coming out (I wish they do HIme dorei but what you gonna do?)

>>174338

NICE

I like it a lot, though I still think Miria's tits should be sagging a bit to give them more weight. Still, VERY nice!

>>174041

Conflict of perspectives. None of us will change our minds, but I'll leave my short point of view and move on..

>I didn't either until I realized her marriage was already dead and her husband probably had a side-girl or even another marriage overseas. She comes with that only good kind of Netori, where the protag isn't just stealing a girl from her husband but essentially rescuing her from misery

>Because the appeal of her is that she's been thoroughly neglected by her absentee husband probably since Marika's conception, leaving her utterly starved for affection, which turned into severe sexual desperation and thus intensely sensitive.

Shows that it was completely unnecessary for her story to be married. Even if there was no husband, she would still feel neglected, desperate and sex starved. Dead husband or deadbeat dad, she'd feel the same.

>Making Mifuyu a widow wouldn't have that same appeal since she'd be sex-starved from a dead husband, not a neglectful one.

I don't see the difference. She's neglected the same either way. It was completely unnecessary for her husband to be present in the story. He only gets mentioned very few times, the marriage is dead for both of them, he's almost completely ignored by both his wife and daughter.

I get your perspective, but to me it seems like the marriage was written to ruin her appeal.

>>174424

>The idea is to overrule her husband's place in her mind, not take up after him.

It can be argued that you do both in your route. She was neglected and MC was the one who filled up the void her husband was supposed to fill. You did take up after the husband by doing the work he was supposed to be doing in the first place.

In the widow story, it would be years since he died.

He's dead. Gone, and she moved on. The MC wouldn't be taking after him because he's no longer important. Time makes people get over their loss, and the loss would no longer be important. I also see the widow story as overruling her husband's place, not taking up after him.

>Think about that moment when she willingly submitted herself to the protag. She's the first to call herself all sorts of cow and desperate slut who wants younger, verile D. If I recall she's even the first to flaunt her adoration of the MC's dick over her husband's, just disparaging him as being pathetic and etc.

Is that what she's also going to say about the MC after they're married and things get difficult for both of them? She's married and she's cheating on her husband. I can't ignore this out of my head. Part of me seriously suspects that she might cheat on MC years later.

>Can you imagine the difference in tone the scene would have coming off the loss of a husband (even if it was years ago)? It's fun to have Mifuyu lift you up as her favorite darling Master who's dick is so much more superior than that pathetic husband - but it's not so fun if she'd be bad mouthing a corpse.

If Mifuyu's dead husband was a cheating scumbag who didn't care about her (which you seem to think that her current husband is), then I wouldn't mind. This would actually please me.

She doesn't have to be a widow, her former partner could be deadbeat or perhaps they were married but recently divorced. Either way works for me… except her still being married.

>It's just really awkward otherwise no matter how they tried to spin it

To me, it's very awkward and uncomfortable no matter what because she's still married. This is why I lose interest in her.

>But fair enough. Agree to disagree.

Yes. I get your point of view. I'm not saying you're wrong. You and I simply have different perspectives and tastes, and I'm fine with it. Agree to disagree.

>>174445

Eh, it's a porn game. I think you have much great sensitivity to cheating than I do, so a small issue is blown out of proportion. Cheating is pretty bad in life, but this is just a game. I mean, if we're talking about nastiness, rape itself is absolutely horrific and has driven more than a few women to suicide. But despite that, you're honing in on the fact one of the heroines ends up cheating on her husband. Why is that? Well, it's just individual sensitivity. It's just a game. It's not real. Therefore, issues can easily be overlooked. However, if you're too sensitive about some issues, they become impossible to overlook. They get blown out of proportion, and suddenly a porn character having a husband that's referenced a few times for netori appeal is actually a symbol for cheating in general.

You all niggas are gay. Kutsujoku was the best shit ever. I love how the girls never actually liked you, they just sort of gave up resisting and became dead inside. Awesome.

>>174396

Houkago's OVA was what got me into hentai, so I dont mind the idea of a remastered edition that works on modern machines.

>>174468

Houkago got me into hentai too, so I'll take this.

>>174430

God that fucking sucks…people are bitching and moaning about seeing something they don't like to the point where the translator want to avoid backlash, seriously, fuck those people.

Here's a suggestion, why don't you put in a content warning? Like how one certain scene ending is like that.

I like to believe that the one who want the translation of UK are the silent majority.

But its still your choice, and if I have to deal with a bunch of morons bitching and moaning about something you did for so many months and efforts on your own free will, I wouldn't want to deal with it either

>>174481

Bitching and moaning about other people who are bitching and moaning isn't the right way to deal with it.

Personally, I don't care what quof translates because I can't offer him any money. If I didn't have financial issues, I would request him to translate a non-BISHOP game.

It's his choice. If he wants to translate a game that would piss everyone off here except himself, he can do it. We have no decision over what he wants to do.

>>174485

Yeah I know.

I don't mind what quof does. Like I said, if I had to deal with what he did, I'll be wary too. But dear god what did people expect?

>>174481

Well when you translate shit for free with the intention that you want people to enjoy the TL then of course it stinks when people dont play it.

Fuck UK and its fans so im glad that Quof doesnt only take into account your run of the mill BISHOP fan reception alone.

>>174430

If I were you, I wouldn't give a fuck about what others want.

>>174489

>But dear god what did people expect?

To be honest, even I got annoyed when he cancelled his LC1 translation. Never ranted about it, because I understand the writing isn't great…but still annoyed because he raised my hope.

No matter what you choose to translate quof, you will anger plently of people no matter what. Choose whatever you will. If you want inputs from others, then read them and decide for yourself. Once you choose which project it will be, do not reveal the title until you have finished translating it.

OST-wise, I really love UK's default theme.

MK3 has some really good songs as well, but UK's main theme just really seems to strike that perfect note to match with the element of the game on a thematic level. Especially when you consider that one of the heroines is actually a pianist, then it starts to become almost symbolic.

Sage for repeat post.

>>174552

Composer was Atelier Peach, by the way. Same guy responsible for Sansha Mendan's OST and (coincidentally enough) Lovely x Cation 2's OST.

>>174554

Then again, they are basically a studio and not really a single person. But I would figure the main composers in the studio are the same people.

>>174496

>No matter what you choose to translate quof, you will anger plently of people no matter what.

Everyone loves Lovely x Cation 2. Everyone! But really, it's only gangbangs/sharing/etc that is so universally reviled. I don't think anything else could possibly cause so much backlash in such high quantity. I'm not going to bend my back over to make everyone happy or anything, but if I'm wavering between two games and one is definitely going to get a lot of hate and backlash (for stuff I don't even like myself), I'll be leaning heavily towards picking the other.

That said, this is all mostly meaningless, because it'll be awhile before I have the time to even think about working on another Bishop title.

Also, LxC1 was probably the biggest mistake I've made and I offer no excuses. Definitely dropped the ball.

>>174557

Indeed you did considering you where very close to dropping Narumi and that was just one route the LxC 1 move was particularly bad.

I have seen some people actually liking Narumi and Hatsune so it would had been a disservice to ignore them (Specially since she is already corrupted she was unique in the cast).

>>174559

Narumi's got her charms. I love her voice acting in particular but her artwork doesn't interest me much.

>>174559

I didn't come close to dropping Narumi. I wanted to take a break after finishing Marika and Mifuyu's stuff, yeah, but I wouldn't have dropped the game. Full patches are important. No matter how much I dislike Narumi, not TLing her route would have effected the entire translation in a bad way, which I wouldn't have let happen. I like the other heroines too much.

>>174566

Im pretty sure the whole controversy 2 threads ago was about delivering the translation witouth Narumi and you addressed it on your blog.

>>174568

The controversy was about the break. I did mention potentially releasing a partial patch without Hatsune and Narumi, since I had intended to do partial patches for each set of heroines anyway, but it was the break that got people riled up. I can understand why, everyone was afraid I would drop it. I don't blame them. Maybe I would have, who knows. That's all in the past though.

>>174570

Ah i see. Well im pretty sure all will be forgotten when you finish LxC 2, that one surely will get the best reception out of the games you have translated.

>>174604

Well, yes. Pretty much all of those negatives hinge on the protagonist. Which is why I deducted it from being a 5/5 title. And it is no 3/5 from a design standpoint. Its art, music, voice acting are all good. If you really want to lowball it then it's a low 4/5, a 6~7/10 if you want to go with the inferior score system. A high 4/5 is 8~9/10.

>>174617

Eh, I wouldn't be so worried about the 'That's not what it said!' crowd because those entire segments have no voice lines. It might catch some people who can read the original jp lines, but I doubt there is a big crowd of such people who would bother playing the translation after reading the original, unless they really really liked the game and want to re-experience it in english.

Also I would like the Lina pregnancy CG more if her belly wasn't so covered by her maternity dress. Kagami did the better camera angle of that position with Aina in SM, I think.

>>174604

>>174611

I will almost definitely never fan translate MK4. It's over 50,000 lines long (as far as I know), I could basically translate all of UK and be halfway if not more through MK3 in the same time it takes to do MK4. Or I could do almost 10 games the size of Harem Guild. That's just absurd. Not to mention I feel like Kagami had started to decline by MK4, whereas he's still at his peak in MK3 and especially UK. Also the heroines while okay aren't an all-star cast like MK3 or UK:

Maki: 10/10

Yuuri: 8.5/10

Kaho: 8.5/10

Miyu: 7/10

Asahi: 6/10

>>174614

I'm confident you brought this up before and I'll repeat what I said last time, those sections are absolutely nothing in comparison to the hellish landscape of the H-scenes. There's probably like 1k lines max for all those movies, and yeah it would be tricky to translate, but Japanese is already tricky and by the time I'm 30,000 lines into MK4's H-scenes I would be ready to kill for the opportunity to translate some fun jokes and such. The hardest part of translation often ends up not being the actually hard lines, but the tedium of thousands upon thousands of easy, repetitious lines.

>>174623

Makes me wonder where all the lines come from, then. Did spraying orgasm/incontinence orgrasm really add up THAT much lines compared to a cum inside/outside choice? That can't be.

>>174623

>Miyu

>7/10

If you didn't have Maki at 10/10 thus proving you do indeed have good taste I'd cut you with an internet knife

>Kagami had started to decline by MK4

Very true, and it's something we've discussed before in these threads. As titanic in size and overall fun as MK4 may be, it's definite the post-swan song of Kagami's BISHOP days and just one reason I'm glad they seem to be setting up Rio and their new Kagami. Guy comes from left field and makes the most giant Cakes and gets front cover billing alongside Oonari even with a multiple artist collab like the upcoming game.

I hope this continues until the heat death of the sun.

I'd thrill over you starting MK3 sooner than later, mate, but if they ever make an Immoral Edition of MK3 your work would basically be moot, right? You'd have to start all over again and that's just mad. That's part of why MK4 seemed like the better choice. I never realized just how colossal that game was since it always felt MK3 had more story.

>The hardest part of translation often ends up not being the actually hard lines, but the tedium of thousands upon thousands of easy, repetitious lines.

I do editing as part of my work so I can only just barely relate. You really have to have a passion to do this kind of job you're doing and put in the work.

>>174627

I never thought of that, though it would explain it somewhat at least, and I could see how the line count would bloat if every squirt scene had alternate text for several lines a piece, each per girl.

>>174632

Miyu is really immature and dumb which makes me think of her more like a child than an adult I want to corrupt and such. MK3 will be much later if ever. I'm taking up a lot of official work and after I narrowly finish LxC2 I don't know if I'll want to do any more fan translation. It hurts that MK3 and UK are both pretty big, definitely year-long projects. I want to do them since I like them so much, but the workload is heavy. Who knows. If a company licenses them like Cherry Kiss licensed Harem Guild then things would get a lot easier

>>174636

>Miyu is really immature and dumb which makes me think of her more like a child than an adult I want to corrupt and such.

Well, she is labelled a prodigy who graduated from high school and teacher's college at a younger age than the other teachers in the game. So she could very well be 21~23, which makes her very easily be immature. That plus her math autism makes her completely clueless to anything that involves social skills or sexual acts, and that also adds onto her sillyness.

>>174639

Yeah, she's not bad or unreasonable or anything, she just comes off as way too childish for me. Same with Asahi.

>>174639

Well, 'autism' is too harsh a title for her. 'High functioning autism' might be more fitting.

>>174604

Honestly the game is an 1\5. That game was supposed to be a CORRUPTION game. Sure art is nice and also the VA\Music but if they dont contribute to the CORRUPTION then might as well being drawn by a westerner. I have tried to fap to it but knowing all of that leads fucking nowhere then it just doesnt works. Lets see how this new game fares in the CORRUPTION aspects.

>>174646

Well it does have corruption it's just a slow burn until the time-skip, but I can see your point.

>>174650

Aww, those tears. Makes you just want to pet her after she finishes that blowjob she's gonna do.

>>174731

>>170600 (OP)

Also I just realized why the hot breath bothers me in KTJK. It's not light and smokey like in MK4 but it's like a comic book now and utterly obstructive to the art half the time.

>>174435

Be glad that you didnt play Mesu Kyoushi 2 man. In that game you fuck >>174645 sister and mom. The final scene before the ending has the protag arranging an orgy of sorts where he orders the mom to suck off some dude and then get fucked by another while the sister gives handjobs.

So the wife is married, she cheats on her husband and THEN gets fucked by other dudes. What a waste.

>>174607

I didn't know that.

If the game were to be translated, I wouldn't mind if this didn't get fixed because it's a problem in the original so whatever. As far as bugs are concerned this is a rather minor one, at least to me (I don't particularly care about the pregnant sprites, they don't look as good as the pregnant girls do in the actual scenes).

>>174613

I agree with this. In fact I think even the reception here would be much better if the protagonist wasn't as annoying. The game could be as it is with the girls treated as roughly, but if the protagonist wasn't an annoying retard.

I don't understand why people in this thread like MK3 so much. It was such a massive disappointment coming fresh from KS, SM and UK. Not to mention it doesn't feel like Mesu Kyoushi at all with that protagonist, and the attempts at a plot with the amnesia stuff are just moronic.

The art is gorgeous but everything else just drags the game down to me. Wouldn't consider it more than 7/10.

>>175073

>Hot girls? Mega check.

Agreed

>Hot scenes? Check.

Eh. I find them a bit uninspired compared to the previous titles, there's a lot less variety and uniqueness to each girl, but check, it's still hot.

>Hot corruption? Check.

I disagree. I think the corruption element in MK3 is very half-assed. Most of the girls don't change significantly, and there isn't really a fetish or sexual trait that gets expanded on like in most Bishop games. There are some hints of that but it always seem the writers just stop halfway through their progression. MK3 biggest problem is that it has no payoff of that corruption.

It's a similar problem I have with Kutsujoku, just on the other extreme. There is, technically, corruption, but it's pushed too much out of focus for my liking.

Another flaw both games have in common is the shit protagonist, now that I think about it, though again, they're shit in different ways.

>>175073

>Having gangbangs\sharing your slaves as part of story

What the fuck is the problem with those faggots?

I was considering playing UK but after seeing that i'm fucking dropping it

>>175126

Dude, its only one route and literally one scene, if you don't want to see it, just do another route.

>>175127

Like in SM, Marika's route, fucking hobos handjob scene, it killed the route despite liking Marika the most.

Why the hell even doing this? to please the faggots that like seeing their girl coated with jizz from other men?

They shouldn't have done that at all.

Fortunately Bishop seems to have dropped the cuckery.

>>175073

I meant the Lina rate mentions she joins a gangbang but everyone´s knows about Makino´s.

>>174449

I originally spent 15 minutes writing my reply, but erased it.

Of course sexual assault is awful (also even worse) and we all agree on that. But why can't you agree that cheating in marriage is awful? Why make it seem trivial?

…Then I realized you do agree they're both awful, you just don't care because it's a porn game.

…Now I feel like an idiot.

>>175133

Its even worse when you have all these people justifying it with some ¨proof of loyalty¨shit. The only thing that scene proved that MC has no problem sharing (I guess kinda expected since his work has always been rape, mindbreak and discar for most of his life so sharing probably comes as second nature) and that Makino can be satisfied with any dick.

>>175126

>>175133

Imagine getting over a hundred comments like these. You can see why one's enthusiasm would be diminished, right?

>>175147

From what i've gathered, since Bishop has stopped doing cuck shit there has been a rise in positive reviews\reception.

Unlike the rest of jew devs on patreons, that have continued to appeal to cuckery even if the 99% of other people didn't like it

>>175147

You have no idea man. For one teacher heroines are one of the most sought after type of heroines since they are so rare and when they exist they have no H-scenes. So having the only teacher heroine being gangbanged isnt exactly going to bod well with everyone.

Then you have MK3 which has none of that content and its probably the most vanilla friendly given it ends on a positive note while UK ends in a much more rough note not to mention how much more worse as a human being he is compared to MK3's MC. Ryou was already stretching it for them.

EVERYWHERE i have been people have complained about the hobos scene and otherwise ditch the VN. People here think one route doesnt diminish the rest but really they are in the minority with that mentality which is why i guess they like MK1&2&UK.

I have seen Quof a lot on sites where most of the user-base consumes vanillaish games since they are for the most part the majority of the english speaking VN comunity so its pretty important for him. I mean he does it for free so the only kind of reward he gets is knowing people read and enjoyed his work and the game. UK will certainly accomplish less of what MK3 would if translated. Looking at EGS MK3 has roughly the same reception as UK so the way i see it the fanbase is not an indication of a game's mass appeal. So by far MK3 is the most logical choice.

>>175151

Indeed. Lune also used to be like old BISHOP where the games have lots of cuck/sharing girls content. Once they dropped that and began doing more MC only type sex games they gained more popularity and now they have their own mobage (Which i hope doesnt has an impact on their game output).

>>175157

>most of the user-base consumes vanillaish games

I bet a lot more of them would play non-vanilla dark VNs if the protagonist wasn't a cuckfag.

I used to think I could only play vanilla, but later realized I enjoy dark eroge as long as there's no NTR sharing shit in it.

>>175158

I fucking hate how closeted cuckfags call anyone who show dislike to NTR as vanillafags, as if a story could only be dark if it involves NTR. Fuck that stupid mentality.

I like dark stories and several fucked up fetishes. Rape, corruption, pedo, BDSM, fight, torture, guro, and so on, but you don't have netorare to enjoy these type of shit. Netori? Sure, but netorare? Who the fuck likes to be on the perspective of the defeating side?

>>175173

Indeed, Mifuyu in SM was kinda Netori-ish but the husband in-game doesn't even appear and didn't bang her from ages.

Makes it all the better in Mifuyu-Marika end

>>175173

>Who the fuck likes to be on the perspective of the defeating side?

That's what I don't like about Netorare either.

Well, that and how it's usually written. Netorare basically seeks to invoke feelings of sympathy and loss, that are what I assume the people who like it are after. In order to do so, a lot of focus is put on the suffering of the guy getting the girl taken away from him, and that's just boring and annoying. I don't care about this guy, I care about the girl getting corrupted (If there even is corruption involved, as many NTR are just cheating, and therefore just boring to me as well).

I just want to point out that usually, stories from the girl's perspective are also labeled as Netorare, as far as I know there's no specific term for something from the girls' perspective. And I have no problem with that kind of Netorare (if it involves corruption, I don't have any interest in a female protagonist just cheating) because the focus is much more on the girl's degeneration and descent into depravity. Getting a look from the girl's own perspective into how she goes from having a pure and innocent love for some guy into becoming a complete slut obsessed with her own pleasure and lust can be very satisfying as well. And in this context I usually don't mind gangbangs and similar stuff because the lower the girl sinks the better, as I'm getting her perspective and went in fully expecting her to go full slut,

Also there's also games with no set perspective, but instead alternate between characters. Most commonly, alternates between the guy getting cucked and the girl, but I've seen games where it jumps to the perspective of everyone involved at different times. Whether or not I like this kind of games depends on the writing, what it's trying to invoke. If it's going just for the netorare pity angle I don't like it, but if it is something like Kedamono-tachi no Sumu Ie de for example, I like it. Yeah the game starts from the perspective of the pathetic guy, it jumps to his perspective a few times and one of the endings is from his perspective, but the meat of the game is seen through Koharu's perspective and as a whole it is much more chronicling her change than just trying to make you feel crushed as Netorare usually seeks to. And I'd argue the game either expects you to side more with the father and brother characters, or that it is cleverly written in a way the netorarefags will sympathize with the cuck while people more into netori and corruption will just side with Koharu and her shifting loyalties to either of the assailants depending on the route taken.

I also don't mind this kind of game. I'm into corruption enough I can enjoy a neutral or female protagonist perspective, I just don't have any patience with cuck-perspective games because they don't really give any corruption to work with. In the end of the day I prefer Netori or games that don't involve any NTR and are just about some dick corrupting women because it usually displays the full corruption process (though with less detail than a female protagonist game) and it has the domination angle which I also like. But these other kinds of games are also nice for a change of pace.

>>175186

>>175192

The thing about netorare is that for you to enjoy that shit you've to be a masochist and a really pathetic one. I'm not a masochist, i lean more toward sadism and i'd never like to be on the side of the pathetic loser that only got shit for being a romantic fool. I only feel rage when a story tries to place me in that perspective. I rather enjoy seeing guys putting the absolute hurt on girls. Completely owning them.

>>175142

>The only thing that scene proved that MC has no problem sharing.

You're talking about Reiji, right? The same guy who's broken in multiple bitches and sold them off to rich men to become their wives/whores? The same guy who is so well known among the rich old men he sells bitches to that he gets invited to their parties? Literally the first girl he rapes in the game ends up with that fate. There was nothing to prove with him as far as his personality goes.

>>175251

Yeah. Unlike other BISHOP protags to them is a hobby while in here the guy made a living out of it which makes him look things like a business.

Its also funny that people defending Makino's gangbang says its some kind of loyalty test when the best proof of loyalty would be like what happened with Dumb Tits in KS where she has spend several years witouth getting a single cock since thats only for her Master.

I dunno what exactly the gangbang proved other than that Makino doesnt needs the MC to sate her lust.

>>175256

I wouldn't say it makes him look badass by any means, though it does give you a good enough explanation about how this man has been making his living and how he had the connections to infiltrate into the school he gets into in UK. Among the Bishop protagonists Reiji is a very professional man, and not only that but a very intelligent one, though his intellect comes with his own sadistic and deranged mindset.

It might have been interesting if Makino ALWAYS shows up after raping one of the girls to play as a UK version of L to Reiji's Light and become an obstacle and lose condition in the game unless she is dealt with.

>>175258

>It might have been interesting if Makino ALWAYS shows up after raping one of the girls to play as a UK version of L to Reiji's Light and become an obstacle and lose condition in the game unless she is dealt with.

Oh man now I want a dynamic like this so bad I can taste it. Having a female antagonist character would be amazing and really would tease her out so that unlocking her route would be satisfying as all get out

>>175257

Nice pic

There needs to be more kissu in the next game, some real deep forced tongue-rape that's revisited after the girls are broken and want to drink their Master's saliva like honey

>>175055

>>175405

>It straddles the line of classic BISHOP while also being a touch lighter than usual, basically it's the absolute antithesis of KTJK.

Is what I meant to write

>>175085

>Another flaw both games have in common is the shit protagonist,

Okay I was with you for the most part until this point. You're out of your mind thinking MK3's MC is garbage, let alone nearly as bad as Supreme Carrot Juice Gentleman.

>>175407

Netorare, of course. Netori is cool in my book.

>>175405

>People like that it has a plot

A terribly handled plot that hinders the game more than enhances it. MK4 has a thin plot that works in favor of enhancing the experience, MK3 really doesn't. The amnesia stuff is irrelevant in most routes and I found the whole personality change thing really lame. Other games handled the idea of the protagonist being a beta retard that awakened into the usual Bishop protagonist better in my opinion, though granted, they came after MK3.

Nowadays I see MK3 as a game where they tried a lot of things and almost none worked. Games that came later took one or two of those ideas each and realized them better.

>>175406

It is the antithesis of KTJK but at the same time neither really strike the chords a Bishop game ideally would. Between the two I prefer Kutsujoku because I'm more inclined to darker themes and content than more vanilla-ish stuff, but in the end to me neither represents a direction I'd like Bishop to go to in general. While most MK3 fans do wish for more stuff like it.

About the protagonist, eh I'll admit I need to replay MK3. I don't really remember how he acts in a scene to scene basis, I already stated what bothers me about him above, but that has more to do with his backstory and with the plot.

I never said they were equally shit, KTJK protagonist is way more annoying.

>>175480

>Nowadays I see MK3 as a game where they tried a lot of things and almost none worked. Games that came later took one or two of those ideas each and realized them better.

Which is kind of funny since I view KTJK as doing the opposite, in using a single theme that's been done a dozen times before and failing to realize it. Though yeah the plot not having much to do with most of the routes outside of Shion does seem odd, like they forgot or didn't know how to integrate it into the story, instead lampshading it with the protagonist repeating "I don't care anyway". Then why even have it?

>>175517

>>175520

Now that I think about it, though, Reiji really is a big ol' manwhore. Or atleast he was. Meanwhile, while Houkago 3's protag is equally as mature as Reiji, he is significantly more of a loser who doesn't see any action other than his own hand after the first sex scene in the game (which happens YEARS before the actual game starts). Reiji is played off as the cool, calm and collected type who is planning something sadistic. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a genuine predator, where as I'm sure Houkago 3's protag does not manage that facade as well, or at all because he is considered a creep and or laughing stock of the school. Thus it is more entertaining to see a guy like the protag from Houkago 3 succeed because he is the bullied underdog (which was also why I originally enjoyed Houkago 1's OVA, though in retrospect H1's protag in that OVA was a greedy cunt who didn't appreciate Ayumi enough, and so got a Mifuyu-style ending.)

>>175524

That's just me pretending I know how Ryuuzou is, by the way. I actually have not played Houkago 3, though I would like to at some point in the future after I clear out this god damn backlog.

>>175517

Your seiyuu obsession never fails to make me laugh, R.

>>175524

Reiji is legitimately a villain.

Houkago 3's protag is a decent guy burdened with an anatomical anomaly of infinite semen (that H3 didn't have belly inflation was a huge missed opportunity).

I like playing a villain MC (who isn't a faggot like in KTJK) like Reiji because he's got style and earns his victories while also not mistreating his special "perfect stimulus" or "perfect slave" or whatever it was. It's fun, but if I'm honest I'm more into protagonists who don't seem like they'd star in their own manga, guys like SM's protag or H3's guy.

>>175592

Kagami does love his expys.

>>175504

> the severe domination of a woman who has no choice but to submit - and in submitting she struggles to accept how fulfilled she is being a slave, and that peculiar black love of a Master tenderly caring for his broken(or blossomed) slutty slave.

>They can be married (MK4) or simply be his one-and-only special slave but the idea of now having conquered the girl(s) and gotten her(them) pregnant, he will MAN UP and keep her, treasuring her for all their days with mutual bliss -- and by "treasuring" I mean "repeatedly impregnating and melting her brain with neuron-slaying orgasms"

Bravo anon, I couldn't have said it better.

Also about the Houkago 3 coloring, I don't think it's bad at all. I never got why people seem to think it's too washed out, but honestly it's just that the skin tone is paler. And even then it's a beautiful looking pale, makes the eyes and hair pop out more and accentuates the blushing. It's with the other games using this softer coloring that problems started to arise, and things started looking muted and washed out, Houkago 3 looked really great to me, particularly Mayu, Shizuka and Hiromi.

It's sad the game often gets overlooked, to me it was the strongest offering since MK4.

>>175610

I would love if they would get Kanami to recolour that game's CG. Though I'm almost curious if they keep raw, uncoloured CG like that around.

>>175600

Have to admit, I do too a little bit. It's kind of fun.

>>175610

>Also about the Houkago 3 coloring, I don't think it's bad at all.

It was the beginning of the end in terms of coloring and shading, especially on the body. It was rough man, and yeah it's rough that it's not recognized better for what it is. If they redid the coloring itd me amazing, especially that dynamic of reclaiming a teacher who you deflowered as a student. That whole "Do you remember my shape/this feeling?" thing was great

>>175714

probably not though I wonder what's the process of bringing the original cgs into a Immoral Edition since I don't think its as simple as resizing in GIMP

>>176590

Oh wow that's pretty crazy! Makes me think of how much detail I was missing out on whenever I played in windowed mode.

I went full screen with SM recently (no idea why I didn't before) and noticed the level of care put into Mifuyu and Aina's pubes (all of them, really).

But that example you gave is really cool. I wonder what other games are like that.

>>176619

>instead of scaling them down before putting them into the game in the first place

Ah okay that makes sense. Too bad they don't all do it during the game process instead. That would be neat

>I'm pretty sure pubes were added in the Immoral edition of SM, a very nice touch.

Ah, well that would explain that. Definitely a nice touch.

Well the official site for Shihai has finally updated.

This just compiles all the information to its own page. Plus, we got measurements now;

Pink: 95-60-89

Blue: 91-59-88

blonde: 101-61-93

brown: 90-57-86

white: 93-60-90

This is the first BISHOP game where all the girls are >= 90 cm in the bust department…interesting

>>176818

Thats nice. Gotta wait for translation anons to deliver.

>>176822

I like how comically slutty the pink haired girl is described as being.

>She battles daily with her slut genes and her constant urge to masturbate

>She's horny even during class, but she desperately attempts to hide that and feign calm. But despite her best efforts, her perverted nature slips out at times and most students refer to her as a "good person who's kinda weird sometimes".

>>176822

>blonde

>haughty expression

>humongous fucking tits

nut

a prime candidate for me to bULLY the fuck out

>>176828

>implying there's no such thing as slut genes IRL

come on, are you even trying

>>176829

>[insert pic of DNA strand giving an ahegao double-peace]

Yellow reminds me of Saori from UK. She hates people looking at her tits lustfully and if she catches any of her male students doing so, she blackmails them and bullies/tortures them. The MC is one such student, and she's in the middle of actively interacting with him in order to find material to blackmail him with so she can bully/torture him too.

>>177342

That game is pretty shit. The hottest girl in the game gets gangbanged too.

Here we go again.