/hgg/ - Hentai Games General★

You just posted the entire game, no need to download it now

I think we should just wait for some updates rather than using the 0.001 version.

There's really no point to this general, even if SO is a dickhead and doesn't deserve our attention, we can just not give him attention without wasting our time.

>>113738

how much does SO pay you?

>>113739

We're giving him attention by playing his game.

Anything that we make as a custom scene "mod" is not our fork of the game, as he can just use it if he likes it.

This AW game has real potential.

>>113743

I fucking hate SO, but I also think the dev of this is a jew for starting a patreon before making the actual game and making $500 for a fucking character creation screen.

>>113744

The dev of this is the shitstain shilling this. I mean, who else would bother with yet another no content patreonbait to this autism?

Another fucking tg game for broke brains. Don't we have enough of these?

>>113844

We got enough bitch-ass complainers like yourself so I guess we got that going.

So in the NL thread I'm the one suggesting/asking when we'll get a AW thread. This is good. A bit early, to be honest, but good. I mean, I'm super hyped about the possibilities of this game from the character creation (loved it, still barebones to what the guy can do from first impressions, though) to the options (from taste in characters to the mentality traits) and lastly to the dev being real cool about extra writers, including content that SO would NEVER include and just his past pedigree. So I'm down with this one. This is the game I'll keep my eyes on. The guy seems open to what Newlife should've been. Doesn't shy away from forced/rape content. How he writes it will be the true test.

So with this being the 1st thread can we all get everyone complaining about the whole game being character creation and nothing else cause it's still early in development? Cause that's gonna be a recurring theme until we see what the dev pops out for the first update. Now I don't mean all the framework he's putting in but actual story/sex scenes. We're not there yet, for sure, but when that day comes I hope to God it shuts anyone dogging on him and makes his Patreon worth it. Cause let's admit it right now, no idiot does this shit for free when they can get money and y'all delusional if you think someone should white Knight his days away so we can fap for free (which we already do cause some guy here will fork over money and drop the Patreon version anyway).

But if it all turns to shit and he drops it or gets greedy…well, I'll remember how excited I was and realize what I'm doing with my life is questionable.

This is actual cancer.

What a fucking wall of text

why are so many transformation games text only?

If you cant draw then make 3d renders like every other greedy talentless jew does

A lot of tranny games recently

Wow. Based on the amount of people mindlessly bitching about how this game doesn't cater to their stunted imaginations, I can already tell it's going to be a really good game. I'll definitely keep an eye on this one.

>people actually think pages and pages of checkboxes will translate into meaningful variation in the content itself

I know not everything is alright in the head of a tranny fetishist, but come on now. Adding meaningless placeholders that imply future features is textbook method for baseless promises without any obligations to actually deliver. The user can only blame themselves if they imagined anything would come out of it.

This non-game has been carefully designed to tickle the fancies of the target audience without havign to deliver anything. And it has worked splendidly. Clearly the author knew what he was doing.

>>113896

>Wouldn't it make sense to have games with identical gameplay be in the same thread?

The joke is on you, I wanted to say, because Accidental Woman has no gameplay. But the joke is actually on us because they're indeed identical…

>>113898

Back to your dumbshit weeb visual novels, you.

>>113896

What fucking gameplay? The game is literally just a character creator then a single scene wherein it tells you "Whoops, no content"

>>113903

Tone it down a bit and someone might fall for it.

>>113896

No, fuck off.

>>113881

>recently

That's 90% of what's on TFgames.

Does it shove the tranny shit in your face the whole time or can you just ignore it in the intro?

>>113946

>tranny shit

It's the same like Newlife, and that wasn't tranny either.

>>113946

>>113881

>tranny

In my mind tranny stands for transvestite and/or shemales, not for implausible MTF transformations and the like

On that note, their is a whole lot of gay porn on TFGames too

I'm cautiously optimistic that he's taken the road of building a solid foundation first as in clothes etc before throwing in any actual gameplay with benis in vagina action.

Though if he just ignores most stuff he's implemented so far it's just like GL.

>all these triggered TF fags

Lmao

>>113730 (OP)

>>113733

>>113735

>>113737

>>113740

>>113742

lots of customization, that's nice

>already getting $500+/month on patreon

damn son

>>113738

kek

>>113963

>((((public)))) version

still looks better than SO´s puke but thats easy

>>113730 (OP)

i love this kind of games but too bad there dont seem to be any better ones out there than Newlife.

yet i still pray for the day someone leaks out the game's code and we can get different shit out of it

>>113918

this is /hgg/ 8chan, I was talking about it, I don't visit your tranny website

>>113963

Looks great

reminds me of ETO/Girl life

>>113963

I really hope he isn't going to add shitty porn screenshots to sex screens like those garbage RAGS games

>>113963

Yeah, it's the large department store that has everything you'd expect. It has the player's first experience with buying clothes, has a small pharmacy for an introduction there, and also has a hair salon and optometrist to give players their first chance to change their hair style and wear glasses. (there will be better salons, and a "Sunglass Slut" in town) It's also something of a test for how I want to build the game maps. First is the travel mechanic, where the game figures out how you get from A to B, and can trigger any location-specific events, as well as describe your trip. Next is map events, which come in two flavors "major" and "minor". Minor are mostly flavor events, major are either things like running into an NPC you've met, or a friend, game-world related stuff (like finding a line of people camping out to buy the new Pear iJackit smart device.) and finally some of the seasonal things related to the Institute and mysteries of Appletree.

So, to answer your question, I don't have any BIG storyline stuff planned specifically for Bullseye, though some of it could occur there. I DO however have some minor things planned for the location. One, which is a hook into a exhibition/voyeurism and cum play storyline is already in place, and there are more planned. (such as a pharmacist who you can talk into hooking you up with certain contraception-related goods, and a changing room blackmail event involving a camera and an electronics department employee…)

can I be a loli?

would you consider adding the option of starting the game as a woman who never was a man?

>>113997

Apparent age is 12 minimum.

>>114014

Are you the dev?

If so, i've got a question, are you trying to incorporate things like the looks, body, muscularity, race, skin/eye colour etc frequently in the sex scene descriptions?

In New Life i allways found it annoying how there's barely any descriptions going on and most that do are just about the size of the dick in action which makes it feel kinda… i dunno, mechanical? soulless like there's only the action but not much more "in-depth" descriptions of the scenes going on.

>>114014

Also another thing, please treat the player character sort of like he'd be Gordon Freeman of the text-based sex-games as in someone who never EVER talks or if she does so you dont excplicitly write what she says but more like how she agrees/disagrees/nods peacefully etc.

>>114018

pls do this

>>114026

100% this. I like filling in what my character said, just nodding would be great for the dev since less in this case is more and faster development on the more important content

>>114014

I'm not sure that's the dev. Someone might have copied it from the blog.

>>113730 (OP)

>[ ] Disable Forced Content: rape, non-conscent, dubious conscent, sexual assault

>[ ] Disable Violent Content: violence, death, extreme S&M content

>[ ] Disable Extreme Content: extreme fetish content

>Extreme Content

Would that be scat and guro? Or is guro under Violent? Cause I'm fine with violence as long as it doesn't cross into guro.

this isn't even half of what you should be showing in a pre alpha and money is being charged for this crap? What the fuck?

>>114062

It's free, there's no Patreon version. Y'all thick.

>>114065

The blog says that there will be a Patreon version with the public version being a month behind (same as Splendid Jew), I'm assuming he isn't doing it yet so he can get peoples' attention easier.

>>114017

Minimum age is 12. Hopefully, that option stays forever.

>>114059

Might be more specific once any content gets added. Right now, none of this matters at all until we get the ability to get past step one: make your PC.

>>114082

>Hopefully, that minimum goes lower

Fixed.

>>114082

>>114085

It already got pushed to 14 so you're both out of luck.

>>114090

>>114085

>>114082

Beg for lower or at least a version that allows lower. I'm sure this guy will listen.

>>114090

>>114085

>>114082

Easy to fix and write content for since it's open source. Game will just receive another loli/preg mod treatment.

>>114098

>that has content

Trash content is just as bad as no content.

>>114067

Yeah, I know that, but there's no version yet as he believes it isn't justified yet. I understand the appeal of a Patreon version and this guy doesn't seem like an idiot. I'm fine with the whole thing so far, he seems level-headed. For now, at least.

Not to you but to basically everyone else: Bit disappointed in this thread so far, to be honest. A lot of back and forth on the whole Patreon Jew thing, very little discussing about the dev being open to content submissions which we can already do via Google Docs. He's got a forum just for content submissions. Glad that we're finally moving away from Newlife (or at least attempting to). Good, SO never liked the fanbase here and we're better off focusing our energy on this new dev.

>>114099

Git link where?

The writing is quite good and if he actually adds the fetish content that is listed in the game, its going to be 100% better than Newlife, IMO.

>>114169

>100% better than Newlife

Two times zero is still zero.

>>114224

Except you can finish CoC and NL being a virgin (GL has no ending)

It's not what the games are for, but it's still possible.

I don't know what gets you into the mood, but you're complaining about all these things in these games while you can stick to just one person or none at all.

>>114232

>Except you can finish CoC and NL being a virgin (GL has no ending)

Yeah but there's not much content in doing so.

Well in New Life maybe there's more if you stick to one boyfriend but on CoC if you just stay pure and chaste you miss most of the content as the game is clearly made so that to "enjoy" all of it you have to fuck or get fucked by everything that moves apart from maybe demons as those raise your corruption level.

Even if it's possible it's not much fun when there's fuck all to do other than maybe grind levels/skills that mostly serve to gateway some sex scenes tied to high levels.

>>114224

>perhaps even be a prostitute

I'm pretty sure there is a prostitution stat in the game

>>113730 (OP)

Is it possible to equip chastity wear and buttplugs?

not really my fetish but its good to have content in it like that

>>114239

>if you just stay pure and chaste you miss most of the content

A game that's centered about multiple aspects of sex is obviously going to miss content if you choose not to pursue those aspects.

If there's 20 "waifu"s in a game and you choose to only sex up one, then obviously you're missing out on 19/20th worth of content assuming they have equal content.

I'm not sure what you're expecting.

It's like playing a 4X game and then complain you miss out on content because you only want to trade in that game… What are you expecting?

>>114268

He's probably expecting good content. Not trash like Fenoxo's.

Looks promising, assuming it actually becomes a game. Obviously not something that should be supported until some basic elements are in (at least one sex scene, whatever your workplace/job ends up being, shopping at one store), I will bookmark this and check back in like 3 months.

>>114268

Pretty much this:

>>114271

Or more accurately like Girl Life turned out.

I dont mind if my niche fetishes arent catered towards to, i just hope this game turns out okay and doesnt fall into the pitfall where pretty much only way to play the game and enjoy it's content is to roleplay as a bimbo-slut who sleeps with everyone and everything regardless of what it is.

Yeah it's gonna be a game centered on you having sex but man fuck maybe it's just my shitty thing but for me it just feels empty if the sole goal there is is to fuck around as much as possible especially if there's no depth or real drawbacks to it.

>>113730 (OP)

I wish I didnt spend that time making the character since no content.

>>114271

>>114281

Okay that's fair enough. So basically you criticize that games like these build "wide" and not "tall" (You may not be familiar with these terms if you haven't played games similar to civ)

Criticizing the point that there's a lot of NPC's in games like these but not much to them. That's a good point, but that's not how I interpreted your first message.

The problem is simple; it's easy to make a lot of NPC that have a "Lets grind some progress until you can fuck and then you move on to another NPC". Making one in-depth with a backstory and having an NPC actually have character takes a different kind of writer.

Moreover, we're talking about devs that either write in russian and get machine translated or badly translated (That even with good translation will feel empty)

Or we get devs like Fenoxo and SO that spend 1 hour work for 5K a month.

I find it weird though. Because erotic games aren't new. Game developers have been around from before I was born and human creativity existed before fire was discovered.

Where does it all go wrong?

>>114305

I wrote all of that with the assumption that I am correct this time in understanding your point. If I still don't get your point then I guess that all doesn't make sense.

>>114305

Personally I think H-games have come as far as it needs to go, and all it will do from now on is continue to devolve. They will become walking simulators with no engaging gameplay. And there will be constant complaints from new-fags that the game is too hard, and want freshly written cheat engine guides despite it being decades old

I've still yet to see the effects of 'good writing' in porn. The most I ever see is some really good vanilla porn stories, but those are just a light read and not erotic. I am not even aroused by legitimate suffering either.

>>114323

Are you >>114268 ?

If so, more confused than ever.

If not:

>Personally I think H-games have come as far as it needs to go

I completely disagree. There are barely any, if any, that show any sign of progress after fucking. Usually that is the end of the story for that NPC.

There's no such thing as slowly becoming a real date person and then eventually husband/wife material.

There's a ton you can do, like with your bf/gf having issues at work and their boss/colleague trying to get in their pants and you have the chance to fend them off or let it happen etc.

The latter is there in some games, but on the most basic level imaginable. You can make some really serious things happen and with good gameplay, happen like the player intended them to, with bad gameplay, have things go to pieces for them is fine. (going to the gym to be able to beat up someone or fucking around with someone else and then lose your GF/BF completely etc (And not (necessarily) in the rape way as its usually done))

No, it can go a lot deeper than what it is, I think.

OH WOW, A GAME WHERE YOU START AS A MAN WHO TURNS INTO A WOMAN?

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, IT'S SO REVOLUTIONARY, I THINK I'M GONNA GO PLAY THIS GAME RIGHT NOW!

Said no one in the last 3-5 years.

>>114327

I am >>114323 and was a separate anon. The idea of roleplaying these scenarios is neat, but I'd have to see these things actually being made to be convinced otherwise. Writing has stagnated and a lot of people are just impatient to get to the fucking. And things that aren't dependant on writing has very little room for growth, as the required effort to provide a greater experience than what we have now is too much.

I've gotten my fill of unnecessary grind for dating in Sims 3 porn mods and EraTW. Having to actually deal with relaitonships sounds like a drag, how is that even erotic?

>>114333

You're just spouting bullshit now, anon. You can't play this game, or the hundreds of other 0.0.1 games like this.

>>114305

My problem is substance more than anything. You can only be a slut in Fenoxo's games to actually get content, and being a slut just for being a slut really stops being a turn on after 5 minutes into the enormous amounts of walls of text.

The world is pretty much "empty", there are no real issues to be solved, everyone thinks of fucking 24/7, their preferences include EVERYTHING (yours too, your only response is positive, all the time) but that pretty much renders everything over the top vanilla, you're a husk that can't actually have any type of personality since the only thing you can really do is fuck, fuck and fuck some more, again, with the only answer being "Yeah, I totally love this!", there are no real consequences, there are no regrets, not even one ounce of negative emotions, there's no change, the character's the same most of the time with some scenes where it's clear there were multiple writers, meaning that you sometimes see some dissonance.

This is what I mean when I say there's no "substance". Nothing has any meaning, nothing TRIES to have any meaning, that works if say, I'm playing something like DOOM, where I can enter and just start slaughtering masses of demons for fun, but if I'm trying to get aroused and have a nice fap, I'm not going to get anywhere with this shit.

>>114346

Fair enough.

I'm struggling to find a balance between people like you with points like:

>>114346

>Personally I think H-games have come as far as it needs to go

Which is a good point, don't get me wrong. But on the other side of the spectrum there's people that go:

>If you dont let others add scenes and npcs then you're just an attention faggot

I honestly agree a lot more with you, but the latter also has a lot of merit to it. I mentioned in another thread here on 8ch that I'm looking for opinions and when I expressed my consideration of making a closed source game, someone went totally bonkers.

People are hard to please. But if anything, I think things like Newlife will become a huge mess with everyone bringing in their own "quality" stories into it now (Not like there's much there in the first place, but if there was and people come up with a large "variety of quality" events then people like you get pissed off.

If you don't allow that, then people get pissed off that you make it closed source to make sure the quality is consistent.

It is just… You can't really have best of both worlds (Although in new life's example it's probably worst of both worlds anyway, it was a very poor example but the most recent one where people can add in their own stuff now)

>>114361

I wrote that like a total fucking idiot. I should stop conversing while drunk.

>>114361

I'm not the same person.

>>114368

Oh, never mind.

>>113730 (OP)

I played this and I liked it.

I am waiting on more content before I patronize it. +A Character creation

>>114361

About adding scenes from outside.

Working in tandem or you know, edit the scene yourself, are the two only options.

If your game is based on personality options (e.g. just some extra variables), then it becomes easier to add scenes.

To be fair, you need to be quite interested to actually make something worthwhile, if you're in it only for the money and it's just a chore for you to do this, then it's clear that your product will not be that great when you meet up with some obstacles like these (writing isn't easy), but there are methods to write "objectively", e.g. see Era games, when using training commands the only things that changes usually (Tohok) are the adjectives mostly based on variables like skill and how much you like the person in question, something Newlife does not do, instead, to me it seems Newlife chooses from a bunch of random phrases and sticks with those no matter what, unless you lack certain personality choices, and your relationship with the characters only gives you the opportunity to use new commands but they don't really change much. Tohok for example, gives you dialogue based on relationship (mostly, never saw on skill, but TW does that) and commands that change flavor text (mostly adjectives) based on your relationship/skill/status of the individual.

I think someone should send Eratohok, EraTW and Eramegaten to this author and have him take references.

You should also think of nuances. Some options might couple up well with others or you can extend personality choices to be more of a spectrum when it comes to acts.

E.g. a dumb example, if you have an option to dislike futas, then having a threesome with a futa and a woman might be impossible, or you won't have as many options or have it so that with repeating the scenes, you start to no longer dislike (corruption but for character traits, can easily be turned OFF in options, but this type of nuance can make shit a lot more enjoyable, the way I see it).

>>114381

"""Played"""

tl;dr at bottom

>>114382

The nuance thing is good food for thought but throwing in so many variables (Depending on genders, preferences, perhaps forced (drunk/drugs/blackmail etc)) starts to get complicated really fast. Especially with the modifiers for the game in the OP.

>Working in tandem or you know, edit the scene yourself, are the two only options.

There's no way a single person can keep up with "community driven contribution" especially if it gets popular.

>If your game is based on personality options (e.g. just some extra variables), then it becomes easier to add scenes.

I would really like to make it a bit more personalized than "Oh by the way, you like his big balls because of your pregnancy fetish!", come up with 20 ways to describe that sentence and use one at random for every scene for a guy with big balls.

Because that's exactly what Newlife feels like for me. It makes scenes feel very generic. Going out with one selfish prick is the same as going out with a different selfish prick in Newlife. Sure one is chubby and the other likes big breasts… There are at least some traits that provide variety (Such as impregnators trying to sabotage your contraceptives)… But almost all of it feels very generic because, once again, one impregnator is the same as the other.

>To be fair, you need to be quite interested to actually make something worthwhile, if you're in it only for the money and it's just a chore for you to do this, then it's clear that your product will not be that great when you meet up with some obstacles like these (writing isn't easy)

My plan is to - at best/worst (Depending on your view of these things) - have a donation system where I encourage people to donate only AFTER they feel like they've enjoyed it.

So they enjoyed it for a few weeks, perhaps that's worth 2-5 bucks for them. The next time they come back and they like the new content, then do the same.

I strongly discourage people to shell out money "in hopes" it motivates devs to work on the game, or to make it go faster. The opposite has proven true for many, many patreon games.

With the method I suggested (And will suggest if I ever get this off the ground…) there would be no regrets because you paid for what you already got and not what you may or may not get in the future.

It's less greedy and 100% safe from the customers perspective. Yes you get paid less. But I quoted your sentence to make a point that I do this for fun and not money.

Time is of no concern to me. I don't need to demand $500 (cough Accidental Woman) before I start a game that's remotely playable.

If it ever gets off the ground and I prove to the people that I can actually write adequately and bring out content at a steady pace, then perhaps I'd introduce a Patreon system. But unlike others, I want to earn my worth first.

tl;dr Do it for fun, people only pay for what they already got (If they want to), no one loses anything.

>>113970

That's where they're coming from dumbass, they're leaking here to shill their shitty games.

>>114581

At least we're not getting it as bad as /htg/ is getting it

every single thread feels like a shill post

>>114581

>>114591

It would be alright if they at least communicate with us then, right? At least that'd add some value to posting it here to both them and us.

Not like that's gonna happen, but if it DID, then there'd be some merit to it!

>>114597

Hopefully your experience will work out for you when there's some content in the game…

>>114597

>>The game doesn't save any values ever

Yeah, I had this problem too.

Just a heads up for anyone trying this out, if you save and load your save all your values get fucked up, so go for a single playthrough with no saves, and don't get attached to your save cause they're fucked.

>>114611

So… $500 for a character checkbox game that doesn't save the checkbox choices.

I know you guys are cutting him some slack but, are you realizing what you're doing?

>transformation shit

>Twine

>Patreon FROM DAY 1

>army of shills, out of (((nowhere)))

>version.001 no content but it's coming soon :^)

Is this the most cancerous H-game in recent history?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13695542

Sometimes I wonder if you anons understand the problems you're creating.

If this author becomes like SO, then I would understand, but it's not as if any of you need to give him Patreon money, or is it hard to keep your money in your pockets?

Patreon whoring is annoying, but none of us have to go with it, as for now, this author is trying, and the prospects look better than Newlife, when Newlife was never once promising (it was known pretty much from day 1 that this'll be limited in content because the author is a retard).

All you do is make it more difficult for the community to influence the game if you're just going to diss it and that's all.

>>114612

>>114613

I don't think anyone that's a long time regular on /hgg/ is actually paying to the patreon.

Other people from tf site or whereever they come from fork up $500 to pay this dude to make a game, and no one here on /hgg/ has to spend a single dime, unless you're a sucker, but I doubt /hgg/ regulars are suckers that actually give money to projects that essentially haven't gotten any content.

>>114617

>I doubt /hgg/ regulars are suckers that actually give money to projects that essentially haven't gotten any content.

Except furfags, they got money to throw away.

>>114616

It's a plain scam. There is no "prospects" in there. It's just a bunch of fake choices masquerading as a character creator, created to milk some cash out of retards who can't see through the false promises.

>>114608

I probably won't be playing this again. It was bad enough that you get cheated on right at the start, but the code tells me not to get my hopes up. There are some nice perk choices, but the rest of the writing isn't all that great either.

>>114623

And I think you're jumping to conclusions too fast. I think people were stupid to shell out money already, absolutely. But it's not my loss and I don't want to jump to conclusions too fast.

>>114626

Agreed and agreed. I hope he proves me wrong, because who doesn't want a good game for once? But we'll see, I'm not paying anything so it's not my loss if this is the end of it…

>>114403

That concept sounds a lot better than what AW is doing, but it is my opinion after all.

>>114623

>there are no prospects

>literally mentions the character creator

Also, don't claim that this is "masquerading" as anything, it's mentioned on the blog that this game has no content.

You also don't know anything about false promises since the only promise that was made is about a future update that will come soon.

I don't know how hgg can be so retarded sometimes. Somehow Lilith's Throne is OK because content somehow makes it acceptable that the author is baiting for Patreon cash.

This author didn't do anything of the sort (yet, maybe), he went on and opened a Patreon and that's it.

Is it hard not to give your money to random Patreons?

>>114629

I almost fell for it, but then I realized the post was just too plain self-contradicting to have been made with any sincerity.

2/10, you tried.

>>114634

>"Self-contradictory"

>can't point out even one contradiction

Right, whenever you'll stop being retarded, I'll be here.

>>114597

I didn't change the heightCM line since I never pay attention to metric, but looking at it now I probably should have since I left it retarded. Could probably just change it to Math.round($PC.height * 2.54) since the value you enter for $PC.height is just total inches.

>>114629

How is the Lilith's Throne dev "baiting for Patreon cash"? They're far less restrictive than the AW dev plans to be.

>>114638

It's the same old of microtransactions. If you don't want to wait it out or go through boring shit to get the game, you have to pay on Patreon.

It's true that it's less restrictive, but it's less ethical and more scummier.

>>114639

Holy shit are you the same fag from the LT thread that kept going on about microtransactions? Was getting banned once not enough to make you realize you're a retard?

How is Patreons getting buggy, unfinished releases prebuilt (that you can compile yourself for free) worse than the regular monthly release being gated behind a Patreon wall (which AW is going to do)? There's nothing scummy or unethical about it, you're just a lazy retard.

>>114641

I have no issues compiling the files actually. I do that for other games too.

It's the fact that they're asking for money for a compiled, earlier released files that is the problem. It's a scummy way to incentivize, just like microtransactions.

>You can get it for free

>All you need to do is go through hoops or wait it out

>>114644

They could have just locked it behind a Patreon wall and not let you get it at all. Even then, you'd still only have to wait two weeks for the full release as usual. You're literally complaining about nothing, for the sake of complaining and being a whiny cunt.

>>114644

>literally takes 1 person to compile and post for that to fall through, à la pregmod & free cities setup

Really grasping at straws laddy.

>>114646

You can also wait for those gacha coins too.

>>114648

Pregmod/Free Cities is completely free and won't try to bait you into paying.

Principles only affect games you don't like, right?

>>114649

What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? You literally have no argument

>>114649

>Pregmod/Free Cities is completely free and won't try to bait you into paying.

>Principles only affect games you don't like, right?

Except it's the exact same setup as LT you fucking retard.

- Free Cities and Lilith Throne only release compiled versions on their blog on release dates

- But if you want, you can download from the git and compile it yourself manually

- They both have patreons which don't affect the above two points

The only reason people think higher of Free Cities is because the Pregmod dev is KIND enough to you all to compile the thing and post it for you every single time he makes the slightest update. Had LT a modder that was like Pregmod dev, it would be an indistinguishable setup.

>>114651

The funniest part is people have refrained from posting compiled LT builds specifically because people like him kept complaining about it

>>114650

I thought so, you're too retarded to understand simple words.

> you'd still only have to wait two weeks for the full release as usual.

>You can also wait for those gacha coins too.

If you don't know what gacha is, you can always deduce it from the fact that I'm talking about microtransactions.

>>114651

>- They both have patreons which don't affect the above two points

LT DOES affect the above two points, those that pay on Patreon get the compiled version earlier.

Hence why it's similar to microtransactions.

>>114653

But it's not at all comparable to microtransactions. The fact that you keep trying to hang on to that only proves that you have no argument whatsoever.

>>114653

>>- They both have patreons which don't affect the above two points

>LT DOES affect the above two points, those that pay on Patreon get the compiled version earlier.

>Hence why it's similar to microtransactions.

So LT gives out an optional bonus for the extra eager faggots whereas Free Cities doesn't, LT gives you more options and that's bad?

>>114655

How is it not comparable to microtransactions? In most F2P's that involve microtransactions, if you waste enough time, you can get the items they have you pay for for free.

It's a pain in the ass, hence why you're more eager to pay.

>>114652

>So LT gives out an optional bonus for the extra eager faggots

Microtransactions do the same.

>>114659

Except preview builds are buggy and unfinished, and take less than two minutes to compile. It's not at all the same as a microtransaction. Again, they could have just not let you compile it at all.

>microtransaction microtransaction microtransaction gacha coins microtransaction I have no argument microtransaction microtransaction

>>114660

You're repeating yourself when I already went out and debunked that point.

Giving out a shitty version doesn't change anything, hell, that makes it worse.

The barrier is exactly that, the fact that you have to compile it, or otherwise, you can pay some cash and get it earlier than others, just like with pretty much any f2p microtransaction.

>>114659

>>114661

>microtransactions microtransactions

And what is Pregmod Dev in your microtransactions analogy?

Honestly, I feel like the only way to satisfy some people would be if the github was setup with script that automatically compiled the build every time someone pushed to the git, while also linking the latest compiled build to the thread every time someone pushed to the git, basically an automatic push-to-deploy system that also posted to the thread.

>>114661

Lmao you didn't "debunk" anything, you just said "microtransaction" a bunch with nothing to back it up. I really doubt anyone has donated specifically to get prebuilt previews. It's just an extra "thank you" to contributors. And if you don't want to pay, you're free to compile it yourself. There's literally no similarity to a microtransaction no matter how many times you say it.

>inb4 MICROTRANSACTION

>>114662

Pregmod is basically asking for donations.

LT is being scummy with the way it incentivizes you.

If LT would have barred it or wouldn't have asked for money for early compiles, I wouldn't have had any issue with it, really.

It's pretty hypocritical that HGG doesn't have any issues with it in the first place, and quite baffling too.

>>114661

>Giving out a shitty version doesn't change anything, hell, that makes it worse.

But that's what you're asking for, you want to be on the cutting edge of development, so you're gonna get something that will inevitably be buggy because it's not a full release (which would be checked for bugs when posted onto the blog, like FreeCities, LT and every sensible dev does).

>>114663

>There's literally no similarity to a microtransaction no matter how many times you say it.

Really? I thought I was pretty clear here:

>The barrier is exactly that, the fact that you have to compile it, or otherwise, you can pay some cash and get it earlier than others, just like with pretty much any f2p microtransaction.

>>114666

Again, it's not about what is being pushed out in the first place. It's the practice that comes with it.

Do you know why microtransactions are bad? Hint, it has nothing to do with the fact that you can pay for shit in-game, it's what you pay for exactly and the way it makes you pay for it.

>>114664

First of all, what's wrong with trying to give contributors a reason to contribute? Most people aren't going to throw money at a game for nothing in return, and a dev can't just push out updates without either stopping development to find a job or getting income from donations.

Second of all, it's incentivizing it LESS than if it were just gated behind Patreon. "You can get it prebuilt by paying, but you can compile it yourself for free". You're literally contradicting yourself.

>>114664

>Pregmod is basically asking for donations.

>LT is being scummy with the way it incentivizes you.

Well there you are, because without Pregmod there is no difference in the setup between FreeCities and LT, you don't get early compiles at all with FreeCities without Pregmod dev, and Pregmod dev isn't the creator of FreeCities, he's a completely separate entity, and so I repeat >>114656

>>114667

But they're not getting it any earlier than anyone else. Patreons get it at the same time it goes up on Github for anyone to compile for free. It takes literally two minutes. So again, no matter how many times you shout "MICROTRANSACTIONS", they're not at all the same.

>>114668

>microtransactions

Point out a game where microtransactions for thing X are loudly complained about, but thing X can actually be gotten by any 1 person and given out instantaneously to everyone else with no additional effort?

>>114674

Or where literally anyone can get thing X for free with minimal effort

>>114675

Yup.

>>114669

>First of all, what's wrong with trying to give contributors a reason to contribute?

Nothing at all, it's what reasons you give them that change the whole equation.

Which is worse, a gun to your head or no gun to your head? I'm sure the answer is pretty obvious.

Of course, this is an exaggeration, but the point remains the same.

>Most people aren't going to throw money at a game for nothing in return

Are you sure? E.g. Youtube content creators get quite a lot of money without barring you in any way.

>You're literally contradicting yourself.

That's because yours is a strawman, see above.

>>114670

No, this isn't the same thing at all. It's not even about earlier builds, it's about the way it incentivizes you, is it such a difficult subject for you?

I'll repeat:

>>114664

>>114672

Patreon donors do get the full version earlier, you're blatantly lying.

>>114674

Ethical concerns don't necessarily care about the outcome. You're missing the point.

>>114678

>Which is worse, a gun to your head or no gun to your head?

But there's no gun to your head at al???

>Youtube content creators get quite a lot of money without barring you in any way

You're not directly giving money to Youtubers, you're generating ad revenue by watching an ad before their video (IE, barring you in some way).

>Patreon donors do get the full version earlier

No, they get PREVIEW builds at the SAME TIME the PREVIEW build goes up on github for anyone to download for free. The full, public release goes up on the public blog for anyone to publicly download for free.

You guys doubled the thread count in under an hour. Well done.

>>114681

This thread has more content than the game

>>114678

>Ethical concerns don't necessarily care about the outcome. You're missing the point.

You're Ethical concerns basically amount to the idea that the creator of LT is jewing people with the latest compiled version that can only be gotten by being a patreon or through great effort. Except it can be gotten without being a patreon and with no effort.

The difference between your complaints about microtransactions for Thing X that stems from people's experience with online f2p and p2w games is that those systems do not let you get said Thing X easily, often through extra Hours, Weeks or Months of grinding to make up for it, if it's even possible (that's how they get people to pay, that's how the jewing works), and they may ban you, punish you if you some how hack your way into doing it and find out.

Whereas with LT, you are given a simple list of instructions on how to get Thing X for free that doesn't take you Hours, Weeks or Months of grinding, and not only that, but YOU CAN GET IT INSTANTLY, FOR FREE, WITH NO EFFORT AT ALL were ANYONE to compile and link it. AND LT can not ban you or punish you for getting the latest compiled version for free through some other method.

>>114682

That's not actually a real feat however.

>>114679

Why are you trying so hard to miss the point.

>But there's no gun to your head at al???

>Of course, this is an exaggeration, but the point remains the same.

There's no gun to your head when it comes to microtransactions either.

It's simple manipulation.

>You're not directly giving money to Youtubers

I'm talking Patreon.

>you're generating ad revenue by watching an ad before their video (IE, barring you in some way).

That's not the same thing though and being barred isn't the issue, as I said in the same post you're replying to.

>No, they get PREVIEW builds at the SAME TIME the PREVIEW build goes up on github for anyone to download for free.

They get full versions earlier, otherwise you're saying the TL blog is lying.

>>114683

Reading is hard, you're still missing the point.

Using the same system like microtransactions but poorly does not mean that it's not the same system.

>>114689

>Reading is hard, you're still missing the point.

>Using the same system like microtransactions but poorly does not mean that it's not the same system.

No, you're still desperately trying to conflate LT with microtransactions despite being proven that LT setup cannot incentive anyone in the same fashion as microtransations with the gaping hole in your argument being that LT allows for instant, free distribution to all parties whereas microtransaction systems go out of their way to disallow instant, free distribution to all parties.

You are, essentially, pointing at a frog and trying to call it an elephant because it has 4 fours.

>>114689

>There's no gun to your head when it comes to microtransactions either

Then why the fuck did you use that analogy in the first place lmfao

>I'm talking Patreon

THEN WHY BRING UP YOUTUBERS???

>They get full versions earlier, otherwise you're saying the TL blog is lying

They don't get full versions earlier, and no where on the blog does it say that

>Reading is hard

Yeah, it sure fucking must be for you to fail this hard at comprehending simple concepts

>>114693

>tfw reading your argument with him

>he brings up points

>you address those points

>he dismisses his own points

fucking kek

>>114691

>No, you're still desperately trying to conflate LT with microtransactions despite being proven that LT setup cannot incentive anyone

No, you haven't proven that it doesn't incentivize anyone. It's also dumb to make such an absolute claim.

Being incentivized =/= actually committing the action you're being incentivized for =/= the issue.

Again, check out:

>>114668

To give you an analogy for why your argument is a failure, attempted murder is still murder even if the perpetrator failed spectacularly, made the victim laugh and died instead of them.

The mere fact that someone cannot do something properly (mostly or at all) does not mean that they're not doing that something or attempting to do it.

>whereas microtransaction systems go out of their way to disallow instant, free distribution to all parties.

That's not true of all microtransactions and those are still scummy.

>You are, essentially, pointing at a frog and trying to call it an elephant because it has 4 fours.

I don't know what 4 fours are, I believe you meant legs. But no, this oversimplification is false.

>>114693

>lmfao

Reddit, please, stop being retarded. A gun is also an incentive. What I did is called an analogy.

>THEN WHY BRING UP YOUTUBERS???

Because a lot of them use Patreon, get a shitload of money, and their content is completely free.

>They don't get full versions earlier, and no where on the blog does it say that

>If you're supporting me on patreon, you can get a preview build of the game on there.

>Yeah, it sure fucking must be for you to fail this hard at comprehending simple concepts

There's no need to project, Reddit.

Also, take your retarded friend with you back to where you came from:

>>114695

>>114698

is still attempted murder*

This shit shouldn't have its own thread. Neither the concept nor execution are original and the fact game is at v0.01 yet getting patreon supporters makes me wonder if the dev isn't actually paying some russian bots for patreon equivalent of botted instagram likes or twitter retweets. So it looks like the game is not garbage even though obviously it is.

I don't want to set the world on fireeeee, I just want to start an inferno in one of the /hgg/ threads.

>>114698

>If you're supporting me on patreon, you can get a preview build of the game on there.

>you can get a preview build of the game on there

>preview build

>preview

Boy, reading sure is hard

Anyways, you clearly have no argument. Literally all you're doing is shouting "MICROTRANSACTIONS" and coming up with retarded analogies that make no sense at all and have no relation to this situation, then when you start getting desperate you start calling people "Reddit", as if you aren't the epitome of normie faggotry.

>>114698

>No, you haven't proven that it doesn't incentivize anyone. It's also dumb to make such an absolute claim.

>Being incentivized =/= actually committing the action you're being incentivized for =/= the issue.

It'd doesn't incentivize anyone in the same manner being shown two meals, one behind bars, and one right in front of you, doesn't incentivize anyone to get the meal behind the bars. If you cannot grasp this simple concept, then I'm afraid you may be too far gone from the realm of common sense.

>>114700

>muh russian bots

t. SO

>>114705

It seems you're the one that can't read. The preview builds are compiled Git files.

>>114708

It's too bad your analogy is trash because your meal IS behind the bars, it's just that you'll get it in front of you in two weeks OR you can take down the bars yourself.

>>114721

I just realized you're probably too retarded to have even understood what preview builds are

Preview build =/= full release

The full build is released every other week on the blog for everyone at the same time. Preview builds (unfinished, buggy PREVIEWS of the final full update) are released to Patrons, and at the same time the github is updated so non-patrons can compile the preview for themselves.

Your dad should have either hit you less or way, way more.

>>114730

>Preview build =/= full release

So what? How is that even the argument here?

I said it here:

>>114664

>are released to Patrons

Incentives.

>and at the same time the github is updated so non-patrons can compile the preview for themselves.

Pushing towards Patreon in a scummy way.

>>114733

Because you said Patrons get the full builds early, which they don't. I know you're too stupid to keep track of anything someone else says, but at least keep track of your own arguments, please.

And again, that's the opposite of pushing towards Patreon. Pushing towards Patreon would be barring the preview builds completely behind a paywall. Instead, you have the ability to get them for free. Seriously, why is it so difficult for you to understand this simple concept?

>>114734

>Because you said Patrons get the full builds early

Yes, that was my bad, but my argument doesn't change.

>And again, that's the opposite of pushing towards Patreon.

No, that is what you do to push someone towards supporting you economically. It's called an incentive.

>Pushing towards Patreon would be barring the preview builds completely behind a paywall.

Somehow you're changing page and saying that the preview builds are so valuable (you said they're trashy, buggy versions and that they don't matter) that having them into the open changes the fact that their compilation is an incentive for you to pay on Patreon.

It's free to have a grave, but only if you dig it yourself, in the forest.

It doesn't matter if they're "valuable" or not, just to be sure you understand that.

>Seriously, why is it so difficult for you to understand this simple concept?

It is really simple, why is it so difficult to stop supporting practices like microtransactions, DLC, etc? Do you not understand ethical concerns?

>>114737

How is giving you something for free instead of making you pay for it incentivizing paying? God damn, you're literally too stupid for me to handle. You're clearly too intent on being a whiny retard to ever understand any sort of actual logic or reason, so I'm done with you. You can keep being a fag here if you want, it'll just give everyone else more material to make fun of you with lol.

Can you guys just stfu and just see what happens and then make conclusions based on results?

Y'all talking about things that just derails this further and further.

One person >>114623 said this was

>a plain scam.

Can we just wait it out and just either call him our prophet if he's right or kick his ass if he's wrong?

And just leave the discussion about what AW is or is not and all other principles aside for now?

This is just pointless.

>>114742

Nice post, AW dev

>>114739

>How is giving you something for free instead of making you pay for it incentivizing paying?

How is giving you gacha coins for free instead of making you pay for them even if possible to do so incentivizing you to pay?

Ask that of the 90% of the users that are influenced by that and get to pay instead of waiting for the eventual freebies.

>You're clearly too intent on being a whiny retard to ever understand any sort of actual logic or reason, so I'm done with you.

It's clear you don't understand microtransactions.

>You can keep being a fag here if you want, it'll just give everyone else more material to make fun of you with lol.

You're pathetic.

>>114742

Yeah, I'm done anyway. These redditors don't understand anything.

>>114743

Well there goes any credibility you had left. Scumbag.

>>114629

>I don't know how hgg can be so retarded sometimes. Somehow Lilith's Throne is OK because content somehow makes it acceptable that the author is baiting for Patreon cash.

>because content somehow makes it acceptable that the author is baiting for Patreon cash

>Somebody is baiting people into paying them using a site set up to support people who actually make content

Are you actually retarded? Re-read what you attempted to use as an argument, but slowly this time.

>>114802

Baiting isn't used as a positive here. Re-read what I just said but slowly this time.

wow this piece of shit is getting defended real hard, I should go donate to their patreon said no one ever.

>>114851

Hello mister original, nice to see you here. Got any more inspiring one liners to amaze us with?

>>114851

Most of it is probably the dev

What the living fuck is going on in this thread.

As far as I can tell, everyone hates each other.

>>114855

This thread is an example of what comes from allowing people to market their 0.0.1 alpha patreon garbage here.

>>114860

So then why not complain towards the mods, instead in the thread itself?

It seems very ironic to be upset about shameless marketing but then being the ones yourself to keep giving it attention by bumping the thread.

>>114860

>>114863

>>113730 (OP)

I'll save everyone the download:

>Wishful Thinking The "Game"

Because there's no fucking way that all those options are going to be functional. The closest game this is to is Cursed and that game is incomplete and has been in development for almost a decade.

Don't get me wrong the story so far was very good but having all those options is a clusterfuck, compare it to other games that do much less and release fewer updates-- yeah this game ain't happening, regardless of how much money it gets.

>>114871

>Thanks for the bump.

It was Sage'd, you dumb retard.

You're the one who's bumping, fool.

>>114872

I jumped on the hyped train HARD but I'm having serious doubts. Dev spends a lot of time replying to people that leaves a comment. He tells in detail what the new store will have and this and such. I don't know…it's like he's setting himself up to false promises, you know?

I'm still in support of the guy but maybe he should speak with updates rather than comment replies and I know saying that makes me sound like an ungrateful cunt but I just want to burst my pants open and jerk off to the new content, whenever that may be.

>>114872

Are you serious? The options were great, the retarded tranny story where the female friend turns out to be another pre-op tranny was abysmal. Can't we just have humans in porn games for once?

>>114881

>sage+sage

I don't think you do either.

>>114872

You're talking as if any of this is actually hard to do in the first place. The only issue is that authors tend to be fucking lazy and fish for money.

If they tended to their games, they wouldn't have any issue in using all those variables properly.

Writing scenes though, is something else entirely. While that's easy to do too, to also have something of quality there, well, there's the issue.

>>114904

Yes, words, properly bound words, tend to stimulate the imagination.

>>113730 (OP)

Your entire market is at tfgames, anyone here who is looking to play Magical Tranny Sim 907 is also at tfgames.

>>114904

My imagination is infinitely more arousing than oriental caricatures or 3d monstrosities.

>>114914

>its 0.0.1. what do you expect?

Development ending in a few months, unless the patreon scam proves profitable, in which case the development will flunctuate between zero and barely non-zero effort.

>>114914

Usually you'd expect them to announce at version 0.1.x at least instead of fucking 0.0.1

>>114922 (Checked)

This, tbh. If I was going to make a game demo, I'd make something you could actually play before presenting it to you guys, let alone begging for shekels. The fact that there's already a Patreon when there's no more than character creation and a short intro suggests that the updates will drop to a trickle and he'll be milking his patrons for eternity. If the dev thoroughly BTFOs this post, good on him but I won't hold my breath and this trend of releasing half-assed alphas and proofs of concept has got to stop regardless.

>>114914

>there is no content right now

That's the point

>preview build

>the only thing you can do is spend 10 minutes creating your perfect waifu only to be broadsided by a "THAT'S ALL THE CONTENT FOR NOW FOLKS" message

Well that's not fucking content is it now, you little shit.

>>115057

Thanks for the $600, goyim

>>114904

This game is awful, but…

>imagine having an imagination so shitty it isn't better than random pictures

Learn the value of words, anon.

>>114904

words are so much better then pictures.

I just hope you can have custom NPCs, that the real strong point of Newlife.

So is there actual content now or is it still just the character creator?

>>115310

There has been no update since this thread was made.

>>115313

but he just posted an update on his page?

>>115315

Oh,

>Version 0.01.9 will be released for Patreon supporters today as promised. (A bug-fix revision will be released to the public in a few days.) I'm finishing up a few odds and ends, tracking down a few issues with the clothing generators, and doing some testing to hopefully prevent as many bugs as possible from making it into the release. It'll probably be out in the late afternoon (Eastern Time)!

doesn't sound like a content update.

Since there's not much content in the game, may as well wait a few months before checking again.

>>115317

>doesn't sound like a content update.

Actually, it could be, would have to wait a few days before it can be checked (unless someone here is actually a patreon and dumps it early).

That's an insane character creation. Even if this was a full team working full-time, there's no way this would be anywhere near playable within a decade.

>>115322

Now this is bullshit.

>>115310

just character creator

There was 1 update that changed the creator around a bit, unknown whats happening with update today in terms of what it's doing

>>115327

Let's just talk personality traits. There are 18 traits with 3 distinct values; that's 3^18, or 387420489 possible combinations. That's not accounting for the physical factors of both the PC and the NPC(s) in a given scene. Even if you assume only 1/100 of the combinations matter for a given scene, that's 3^18/100 or 3874204 possible permutations. You need to develop code to automatically handle, say, 90% of those, which is going to be a massive undertaking; then you need to hand-write or hand-code the remaining 387420 combinations.

Even if you assume it's more like 1/10000 of the possible combinations, that's still 387420 and 3874 respectively. If you think that's going to be done any time in the next decade, you're a madman.

>>115317

>update with no content

>still locks it behind Patreon wall

How is this guy different from Cuckhold Ostrich exactly?

>>115360

The issue wasn't "no content" with Cuckhold Ostrich, but "nothing disguised as updates", which included "no content", but I doubt anyone would have had any issue if say, he put in a whole month meaningfully working on everything else related to development.

Who knows what this author will do, but considering the start, they're doing more than Newlife already.

Version 01.9 will be on Patreon for supporters momentarily, and a public version will be released in a few days with any bugs ironed out.

01.9 Change Log:

>Added the Bullseye map to the game, along with the prototype map control module and navigation method.

>When you reach Bullseye, click on different locations on the map to travel to the place you clicked.

>Added descriptions to Bullseye map locations, room view, and some story hooks. Locations will look a little bland until the descriptive widgets are build.

>Several bug fixes. (Including reworking several objects/arrays, age/height thresholds, and an issue with libido.)

>Updated the Debug Page, which now has a java-based bug reporting tool and variable checker. The bug report tool generates a report for you, making it easier.

>Implemented a game settings menu: changed content restriction settings to be toggled from that menu instead of being set once near the start of the game. Should allow more control for players in the future.

>Added a second light-colored theme that can be switched to from the settings menu. Still having some problems with getting JavaScript and CSS to play nice inside of Twine, but it's a (very basic) start.

>Added the Clothing Generators, including adding them to the Bulleye women's clothing department.

>Created a clothing demo available from the game's main page, that shows off some clothes and explains a bit about how they work.

>>114618

They got your money to throw away. The government gives it to them for being fucked up in the head.

>>115422

Can't really blame a government for being fucked up in the head. That's like blaming cats for being curious.

Oh… you meant the furfags?

>>114891

>pre-op tranny was abysmal

that bit went completely over my head, so that was the whole "condition" crap she was on about. Wow fuck this shit, at least Cursed was all about a slutty witch ruining your life. Like yeah the character creator was cool but I know for a fact that there's no way you're going to be checking all of those variables during an attribute check, its why most games only focus on a handful of attributes because its easier to manage in the attribute check.

>>115473

Mmm I don't think you have to put up all the conditions on every single part of an event. You can have a hundred attributes and still pull it off if you manage to apply those attributes to events when it matters.

You don't have to show every single sentence how much you like how tall he is while he's pounding you. You don't have to think to yourself how much you'd like to impregnate someone while having a discussion at lunch in school. You don't have to let the teacher know how much of a nasty person you are while he's teaching class.

If you want to do it right you're probably better off with minor and major attributes (A character's personality being a major attribute while liking to wear heels a minor one for example)

You don't have to think of >>115353's 3^18 possible combination for every time you walk down a hallway.

>>115516

Thanks for the $600

>>115420

>No real content; just clothes you won't be wearing and a map you won't have the opportunity to use

>No mention of actually saving your character creation values

Sounds like a whole lot of fucking nothing.

https://mega.nz/#!LQhnFZQC!8BtHqS2DlEvBWe-OtXO34QNbRtrMDUST7aPGTPjuNWM

New version, not a lot of major changes but some possibility that it may turn out decent

>>115588

Any content or just more customization?

>>115609

see >>115420

Intro shopping area and clothing generator

More info from his blog for the next stuff

Immediate Plans:

I'm going to do a little review on the map system code, and tidying up the open portion of the shopping code. If I catch any bugs, I'll fix them. I haven't gotten any bug reports thus far, so I should be able to put out the public release of 01.9 earlier than I expected.

Next Few Days:

My emergency trip to Ohio is coming to a close, and it's time to get back home and on a more normal schedule. I'm leaving ridiculously early Friday morning, and will be arriving Saturday night. (After accounting for different time zones, it's a 32-hour trip.) This basically means a huge chunk of time with nothing else to do but work on Accidental Woman.

My main focus for the next few days will be putting together a style guide for clothing, creating the FAQ/Content document, and writing the rest of the morning dialogue with Lily. I think it's worth working on these rather than diving immediately back into coding. I think a style guide is important, because it allows players to imagine or picture what a clothing item looks like in their head. For a descriptive game like this one, mental imagery is critical.

The FAQ/Content document is important for a few reasons. First, there are a lot of questions about content. I want to write out the list of content that a) I will definitely add, b) that I want to add if time allows, and c) I can't add myself. For the game in general, I'm starting to see more "repeat" questions. I took some time answering early questions, because I figured I could add the answers to this planned FAQ, which would be useful for everyone. I don't have time to answer repeat questions, or write an entire answer for slightly more specific or slightly different answers. By putting the FAQ together, I can focus more on the game without feeling like I'm ignoring anyone, and I'll be able to give briefer answers to more specific questions by referring to the FAQ. (And add the answers to the FAQ.) I have plans written out for AW, so it makes answering questions easy, but it still takes time to type the answers.

After That:

I'll start working on code again, finish the shopping and wardrobe system, and then do some of the prologue writing with Lily and your tour of Appletree. It's a crazy place, so I'm kind of excited to set the scene.

>>115620

nothing new to talk about t b h, bump the thread when he's got that new FAQ/Content doc up

>>115355

You mean the partially translated autistic mess with all the playability and narrative appeal of DF?

I wouldn't call that "finished", nor would I call it good.

>>115476

That depends on how detailed you want your descriptions. If you want Zork or Nethack style "narration", then you're absolutely correct.

However, if you want to narrate an actual person, that includes what they think about, daydream about, what they see or don't see, notice or don't notice - no, not every scene is going to hinge on every variable, but if we're being honest with ourselves, here, the vast majority of the scenes that actually interest people are going to be sexual, where those factors come a lot more into play.

You can ignore a lot of them, at the cost of narrative depth, but then what's the point of having them? My point is that you can't make all of those variables actually matter without the cost becoming untenable. The alternative, of course, is to make the descriptions, actions, and so forth all relatively generic, but then the game's either going to be a bunch of generic scenes that feel the same regardless of your character, or you'll be locked out of 90% of the content because you don't fit the criteria. There are lots of wrinkles and special cases depending on very particular combinations of characteristics. You can ignore them, but that makes RPing as that particular character bland and unfulfilling.

I frankly think AW is either a cynical attempt to divert support away from SO without any real intent of delivering a better game, or a very naive programmer is about to bite off way more than he can chew. Either way, the odds of this living up to the promise are about the same as the odds of No Man's Sky being patched into something worth buying.

>>114613

Stuffed?

>>115684

<>>poorfags are mad because someone else is making profit out of a porn game

People are mad that he's making money without there being any actual game

>>115675

>Era games

>not good

>not an example of a ton of variables exceeding this and used properly too

>>115676

Why don't you stop pushing this false narrative of "This needs decades because of variables" already? There's nothing believable about it.

>>115685

If you really think what he did took no effort at all, make your own game then. Free money am i right?

Except it isn't, I'm currently waiting forward new content, this is no the first project that starts from zero nor will be the last, stop hating fam

Peace out

>>115689

Most projects that "start from zero" don't ask for money before there's any actual game.

And, for the record, I am making a game in the same program he's using, and yeah, a few checkboxes isn't that much work.

Hgg anons should be patreon whores too. It's not like they're not a bunch of assholes anyway.

>>115687

I've played Era. It's tedious as all fuck even by /hgg/ standards.

The playerbase is tiny for a reason; even if they're a vocal minority, they're still a minority.

Hate it as you may, very few people enjoy ASCII graphics and partially translated UIs combined with a nauseatingly complicated (yet, somehow, still uninteresting) gameplay model.

>>115687

Unlike most people here, and you, I'm going to bet, I've actually written complex software that uses zillions of variables in combination with one another; I know precisely how hard it is to deliver something like this, even with autogeneration, automation, and other labour-saving techniques. Literally every game that tries to do something this complex either turns out to be a scam, bogs down in development hell, or is so shallow that nobody actually enjoys it. Give me one example that isn't the h-strat-game version of Dwarf Fortress, that has tried anything this complex, and isn't dead, gone, or a total clusterfuck.

And to be honest, the fact that they're patreon-fagging before they even have gameplay pretty much proves this guy's intentions beyond the shadow of a doubt. Compare to FCDev, or Innoxia, who both (IIRC) created a Patreon specifically because they were asked to by the players, after the players decided they liked the games in question. AW, as it exists now, would probably take me an hour at most to put together. Thinking of the stats would take longer than programming the damned thing.

Until there is at least one scene that is written to account for a significant portion of the options the player is presented with, comprehensively, this is fucking vapourware and you're a fool for trying to excuse it as anything but.

>>115709

>I've played Era. It's tedious as all fuck even by /hgg/ standards.

So how is it tedious?

>The playerbase is tiny for a reason; even if they're a vocal minority, they're still a minority.

How is the second or third most popular thread on these boards a "vocal minority"?

>Hate it as you may, very few people enjoy ASCII graphics

Free Cities.

>and partially translated UIs

Wrong, completely translated, you mean.

>combined with a nauseatingly complicated (yet, somehow, still uninteresting) gameplay model.

I disagree, not only are you retarded for even thinking for a second that Era games are in any way complicated (complex =/= complicated), you're also retarded for trying to tell me that a more complex, complete sex training coupled with proper dialogue is somehow worse than the very popular Free Cities.

>Unlike most people here, and you, I'm going to bet, I've actually written complex software

>"I literally have no idea what I'm talking about"

> Give me one example that isn't the h-strat-game version of Dwarf Fortress

>"Don't give me any good example, that would ruin my non-existent argument."

> and isn't dead, gone, or a total clusterfuck.

I can give you about 5 examples of Era games, maybe more, really, that are still in development and have enough content.

The rest is totally irrelevant to me, I'm just correcting you about your inane ramblings, I assure you no one cares about how lazy you are as a coder and how much you are projecting your insecurities upon others.

>>115709

>nauseatingly complicated (yet, somehow, still uninteresting) gameplay model.

pleeeeeeeeeeeeebbbb

>>115709

Coding doesn't mean shit, we are not here to jack off to your fucking if/else chains, we're here for the fucking content, gosh this nerd is pathetic

>>115694

Fuck me thats funny man, gg.

>this random patreon scammer is going to make a twine era game, just give him more shekels to perfect his checkbox design

Pretending to be a retarded shill is a sin.

>>115816

No one asked you to give this author any money, just attention and criticism since they also have a blog.

>>115816

>>115817

Cont. That is if you want to have a better Newlife with a developer that does something.

This is necessary effort.

>>115811

>>115726

>>115720

Samefag

>>115890

Not an argument, also, wrong.

>>113730 (OP)

Interesting, but it's too ambitious. So many options and there's no content yet

>>114891

Not a pre-op tranny sine she got a pussy. That means she is a hermaphrodite or if you prefer a futanari often shortened to futa.

FAQ Document got posted

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mBU6Er-_EJdWqbJJ1A0fmR2yAZ3TUSLwHPWnXt9pLSA/edit

http://www.thaumx.com/2017/08/living-faq.html

>>115989

>screenshots aren't difficult to manipulate

>it's obviously a fake because the (You's) aren't even aligned

Try harder.

And maybe kill yourself.

>>114904

If its well written enough it can be better than a shitload of visual stuff.

>>115991

>OKAY: snuff, canibalism, pedoshit, rape, violence, torture, scat, etc. etc.

>scat

Fuck, i'm not one for playing with poo poo but if there's maybe watersports eventually in some form then aww yiis!

Speaking of snuff/violence too, am i the only one who hopes these games would one day be serious and realistic enough to include permanent injuries be they lost leg, tooth, eye or simply one that should be a standard in these games by now that is permanently stretched orifices?

Rustles my jimmies how pretty much every game from Fenoxo's shit to Girl Life etc magically after a certain time turn your holes back to tight. Somedays i just want to play a whore who got her holes ruined to the point se has to wear a diaper and go for the more extreme ends to satisfy her clients.

Shit… i need help…

>>116199

>Somedays i just want to play a whore who got her holes ruined to the point se has to wear a diaper and go for the more extreme ends to satisfy her clients.

The odds of that happening are so low, you're probably better off making your own game.

>>116199

powerful autism here, anon

>>116199

If there's a way to separate the peeing from the pooing then I'm totally okay with this, I'll just disable the pooing.

>>116199

Do also note that he wont be writing all that himself but if somone writes it he isn't against implementing it, just to keep expectations properly managed.

>>116230

Genius. Make a "game" with checkboxes and earn money by implementing other people's work.

Kind of sounds like how cucknoxo does things these days. Except Thaum doesn't have to get them on a payroll. Pure genius.

>>116232

>WHY WON'T SO INCLUDE CONTENT FROM FANS

>WHY IS AWDEV INCLUDING CONTENT FROM FANS

>>116236

SO produces content, but very slowly

SO has produced at least the vast majority of Newlife

AWDEV has pretty much NOTHING except for checkboxes

>>116199

>le ruined holes meme

>complains about unrealism

I humbly suggest you taste-test a 12-gauge.

>>116253

>>116244

<can't decide if this is one extremely angry autist sockpuppeting, or more than one very angry autist circlejerking ire in a thread about a vapourware "game"

>>116238

Vast majority of Newlife isn't much, mate.

>>116292

You're too much of a moron to understand the issues at hand if you can defend SO in any capacity.

>>116238 >>116238

And they spent royghly the same amount of time on their respective games I take it or that just isn't anything to take into consideration?

>>116232

No the checkboxes aren't tied to the things he isn't intending to write himself, the list of content he is willing to put into the game extends beyuond what the current checkboxes check for. There will likly be more checkboxes in the future if other people are willing to write for the game.

>>116236

This isn't anything new there is a reason why it's said you can't please everyone.

What I Worked On:

On the long flight back home I mostly worked on coding with a bit of story content. Limited/irregular internet access makes the clothing style guide too cumbersome/slow to work on. I finished the morning scene with Lily, and coded in the actual purchasing system into the Bullseye map control. Still a couple kinks to work out, but it's functional for the most part. (It also correctly sends purchased clothes to the wardrobe arrays.) At some point over the Pacific Ocean, I caught myself coding part of the weather generator for some reason… I think because it connects with the map system and I was tired.

What I Will Be Working On:

I'm going to work on the clothing style guide, finish the purchasing system, work on the large amount of dialogue for Tuesday evening, and get started on the wardrobe system so that you can actually wear the clothes that you buy at Bullseye. I also want to add in some of the customization options available at the salon.

I'll probably put out a new version for supporters sometime during the week when there's enough visible/playable to warrant it. The next "big" release will be when I have all the above done, which will probably be right around the 3rd of September, but it's harder to plan exact times with story content and wardrobe system I'll be working on.

http://www.thaumx.com/2017/08/airplane-progress.html

>>116730

straight waist? so a normal waist?

>>116735

Sounds more like being shaped like a fridge.

why is this allowed

>>116845

>fucking up sage

Shoo shoo 10 buck cuck.

>>116845

Why are people who don't know how to sage allowed to post

I mean, it's cool and all that he's working his ass off on making content (sure hope that next update will show it) but the Thaumx sure loves to talk about the planned features.

Why not be like Trap Quest dev where Aika explains what the new game mechanic does in the patch notes for that release? AW dev is just talking about his plans and as a day 1 fan this is starting to irritate me a bit.

Thaum, I know you lurk here. Don't take it the wrong way but maybe talk less and speak with actions?

>>116868

And yes, I know I sound like a total cuntbag that's entitled to a free game. Sorry.

>>116868

How else is he going to get his Patreonbux

>>115518

What're you on about?

>>116946

Patreon

>>116868

>he's working his ass off on making content

>as a day 1 fan

>please let me suck your dick, dev

No wonder these scams always work.

>>117046

Guy almost lost his brother in a car accident, still worked on the game. If you want to be a prick about it you better have a shit-eating grin on your face while doing it.

>>117063

fuck him and his broke-ass no health insurance brother, nigga

"bro, you gotta pay for my medical expenses!"

"I'll do that by stealing another person's porn game, and passing it off as my own!"

"wait, what?"

>>117063

<you can't criticize him because his brother supposedly crashed his car

>>117062

>implying it wasn't like that from day one.

>>117064

t. SO

>>117067

I'm quite sure the man rode a motorcycle without a helmet. Guess it's Gods way to purge us from stupidity.

It'd be pretty good if there was some actual gameplay. As it is the guy is basically shilling money for a tech demo

This is better than the shit SO puts out already. This format should be very easy to mod too.

>>117609

From what I understand, theres suppose to be a huge update coming out in sept. Hopefully, it will actually have game content to play.

>>117641

Are you sure his brother isn't gonna survive a plane crash in sept, allegedly?

>>117659

Some of these Patreon devs can be on their death bed for 6 months, then Abracadabra, they're completely cured.

>>117609

the fact that he has stated that he is okay with basically any content from loli to necrophilia as long as it fits the scenario is encouraging in g too. few things are as cringe worthy as a sex game developer acting sanctimonious about other peoples fetishes *cough*SO*cough*fcdev*cough*

Given that this is made using the same sort of engine as Freecities, modding it should be relatively simple. SO is a cocksucker. Says he's going to make it so people can add scenes, but only if he vets them. So nothing too icky, the cunt didn't even want to add anal. Imagine this if a community akin to freecities pops up around it. SO will be crying into his latte over it.

So do this have any content at all, or is it just character creation and some world building for now?

>>118775

So far, just CC and such as you guessed it. Considering what you can do with the CC, it could turn out to be a pretty solid game. Sadly, there was nothing to do yet beyond that last I checked (about a version back). Guess we'll have to wait and see…and hope.

>>118775

Just CC and 1200$ patreon bux a month now, dev very successfully shilled it into a startup, hope he actually delivers.

>>118875

What the fuck this is real

It was at $600 last I checked

Where the fuck is this money coming from, who the fuck are these idiots shelling out money for fucking nothing, what the fuck

So someone took the source code of the Free Cities slaves creation and then added a few more radio buttons and they're making over $1000 per month for this?

How the fuck are people THIS stupid?

>>118968

Patreon users == Complete Utter Idiots 99.99% of the time

At this point it would be temping to sell panacea there, made with dragon piss and manticore shit, pretty sure it would sell

>>118968

I dunno but I seriously need to consider porn games because holyshit I'd be rolling in bank if I did.

>>118963

He's angling well for the lifesim audience who are stuck with Newlife being in development hell and Girl Life being a buggy mess badly translated from Russian.

A dev delivering would make at least as much as Newlife (6k/month) but $1200/month for literal fucking check boxes is enough for someone to simply string people along for a while.

>>119070

There are no other checkboxes you can have in these type of games, so yes.

>>119070

No, AW has the same amount of point to the checkboxes as those static "CYOA" wishfulfilment images /tg/ likes to make have. Though this scam has the implication that those "choices" will mean something if the dev gets enough patreon shekels.

>>119070

They're both made in Twine and feature a lot of checkboxes

>>116730

Why would someone write this.

>>116747

a normal waist then ?

>>119072

>>119073

>>119091

>I don't know what you're talking about it's standard for games to have these types of checkboxes.

They are literally using the exact same categories and wording. If the FreeCities dev decided to attempt to sue the creator and had the code for the game audited I can bet you the creator straight up stole it.

why the fuck is this thread still being bumped? There's literally no content to discuss.

>>119131

>There's literally no content to discuss.

Then you should've complained that the thread was even made.

>>119111

You can look at the code yourself, Twine can't be obfuscated AFAIK. But without even looking at the code, it's pretty easy to see it wasn't copied. Most of the stuff isn't even the same. And just about everything in FC uses textinput, but AW only has checkboxes/radiobuttons. Also AW has a lot more CSS work, which itself shows he's at least somewhat competent at coding, probably to the point he wouldn't need to steal someone else's code to make checkboxes.

They don't even use "the same exact categories and wording". These are just common descriptors for body customization in games like this.

And by the way, yes, it's standard for games made in Twine to look similar.

>>119111

Well, comparing this to Free Cities, I'm hoping AW is going to be, you know…good.

new update

Change Log:

>Numerous minor improvements.(Including: minor changes to character creation to be more clear/precise, added hidden career background, bug fixes)

>Save system is now functional.

>Shopping cart and purchasing system for clothing and items implemented. (With a decent cart-management system to view and edit cart contents.)

>Best Head hair salon added with several customization options and NPCs.

>Added items to the Bullseye pharmacy.

>Added coffee to grocery section for first "quest".

>Updated game settings to include option for dev commentary and whether skill check results are visible.

>Added functional light color theme available from the settings menu. (please report any ugly or difficult to read items. UI bar issue with hard to read labels is known.)

>The status view now has the intended design with tabs, not all elements are functional yet (a system needs to exist before showing it's status or having options).

>More cheats are functional though some still lack an opportunity to use them.

>Lily's bedroom scene has been expanded with skill checks as intended, now includes a minor sexual/oral event. (You need good seduction skill and luck.)

>Skill check function is implemented for using pc skills. (See below for details.)

>Expansion and improvement of fonts.

>Clothing style guide is implemented.

>Finished morning scene immediately before traveling to Bullseye.

>Added some content after leaving Bullseye.

Skill checks are one way that a players skills are used. Rather than simple thresholds, however, I've taken inspiration from tabletop RPGs to use a combination of randomness and the character's skill. The bonus you receive from your skill points on checks is a flat progression up to 100 points (meaning going from 80 to 90 gives the same benefit as going from 10 to 20). Above 100 skill points the player receives diminishing returns up to 200 points. The randomness comes in the form of a weighted RNG. Truly random RNGs are kind of crappy, because you're just as likely to get any result. This doesn't work well for skill checks, where an average result should be more common

https://mega.nz/#!nURjTRYY!re4Jdv5Wu_i9v9AQ6xwHRDu5KfgksiKAI1m5MrDZ30s

>So, let's talk about content for a minute. I've seen a few posts (mostly 8ch) complaining that AW only has character creation, essentially just a bunch of check-boxes. It's true that the prologue of the game isn't finished yet, but it isn't really true that there's no content.

tbh m8 people just want someone who fucking delivers

>>119454

Pretty much, if you post updates regularly with content that actually does look like you've worked on (Not SO's monthly, "fixed one bug that no one knew about") it for the duration of the wait, you're good to go.

Since you do look on 8ch, I think people do understand that your game isn't completely devoid of content, but you just laid down 20k words and you're barely at the prologue, that means your pace is slow, and it usually should be that way for these type of games, if I'm at a masturbation scene for a whole novel, that is "no content" if I'm looking for porn.

Since the PC will never be able to be a futa can you at least add futas other than the one NPC that will probably only have like three scenes

>>119454

>>119458

>Reads 8chan

>Check the new version

>Didn't fix the way height was calculated

Just compare this (in game):

<<set $PCheight = Math.round($PCheight)>>
<<if $PCheight < 60>>
	<<set $PCheightInch = $PCheight - 48>>
	<<set $PCheightFoot = 4>>
	<<set $PCheightCM = ($PCheightInch * 2.5) + 122>>
<<elseif $PCheight < 72>>
	<<set $PCheightInch = $PCheight - 60>>
	<<set $PCheightFoot = 5>>
	<<set $PCheightCM = ($PCheightInch * 2.5) + 152>>
<<elseif $PCheight < 84>>
	<<set $PCheightInch = $PCheight - 72>>
	<<set $PCheightFoot = 6>>
	<<set $PCheightCM = ($PCheightInch * 2.5) + 183>>
<<else>>
	<<set $PCheightInch = 0>>
	<<set $PCheightFoot = 7>>
	<<set $PCheightCM = 213>>
<</if>>