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Looking over the recent SCP controversy and seeing just how much it's content/community's changed over the years got me thinking about how something similar happened with furries.
At one point it was a community of social rejects who banded together to share their interests in taboo themes/topics they could safely explore in fiction (whether it was a means of suppression or they were legitimately interested in said theme in a fictional form only), away from unapproving/judgmental eyes. But recently, much like SCP, there seems to be this new wave of members looking to oust the old members who built it and dismantle the establishment of what the community stood for in order to rebrand it as they see fit, often as an "innoffensive" trendy safe space meant specifically for them/about them and those who share the same views as them.
Why do preexisting communities keep letting this happen? These changes are never for the better and only serve to tear communities apart until the entire subculture dies out, or they become a series of irrelevantly small sub groups.
▶ No.74725>>74726 >>74789
>>74724 (OP)
O'Sullivan's law.
▶ No.74726
>>74725
This.
Also beta males. The only reason it happens is because people try to reason with SJW's and white-knight over people (rightfully) telling them to fuck off.
▶ No.74732>>74742 >>74789 >>74917
Most furries were already of a left-of-the-center persuasion to begin with. Right libertarian at most in the opposite direction. It's easy for people who want to be moral according to that set of values to be insidiously browbeaten into accommodating the most extreme logical conclusion of this ideological vision until even they are too reactionary for the new more leftward normal. Each newer generation takes itself more seriously and has less patience for nuance and exceptions. This is how left-wing internet culture evolved from the Bush years wherein raunchy blue comedy in which the rich were assholes and war was always bad but nobody should get offended over shock value jokes was the norm to Current Year humorless social justice endless deconstructionism. The gay acceptance push that was big in the early days of mass access to the internet has also been succeeded by a more rabid platform for even tinier sexual minority strata also overlapping with a new generation that lacks patience for the "inconsistencies" of the old guard.
It's not something that's irreversible or inevitable, however. Joyless and subversive infiltrators more interested in changing something they hated on the outside from the inside have been told off and kicked out by some communities. The BDSM scene and tabletop wargaming (Warhammer 40K, etc.) are two notable examples of the people who belong in them telling the shills to get bent and get lost.
The idea that "furry" was ever much of a community or should have been one in the first place is still retarded. What, I'm supposed to think that having a sexual kink or liking drawn animal people in stuff is a basis for shared values or assuming the philosophical outlook of other people? It's retarded as fuck. Nobody expects I'll think, act, vote, or feel a certain way if they learn I'm a fan of Sports Team X or that I own a Playstation 4. Why should anything else (besides the immediately obvious) be taken for granted just because I think wolf people are cute?
▶ No.74735>>74738
Yes yes, the scourge of communist fifth columnists is endless, they don't really represent the community, but all the alt fur scumbags trying to redefine everything to their will are just fine right?
▶ No.74737
It seems a lot of the scp shit is because of a particularly bad mod called djkatus. He's stepping down and this guy called Joreth is handling the shit storm quite well. I'll have some optimism for the SCP group.
▶ No.74738>>74743
>>74735
No, the deluded alt-right nerds aren't a step up. The thing about reactionaries, though, is that the term is based of the fact that they're reacting to something. There was no alt-fur before this Current Year era of overbearing hard left politics. Had the community remained only as vanilla liberal as it was during the 00s, there'd be alt-fur boogeymen at all.
▶ No.74742>>74747
>>74724 (OP)
tbh the idea of furry as a community of social rejects has always been a bit dodgy
furry has always been more like the goth kids than the aspergers kids. heck, a good chunk weren't even the goth kids (who did get laughed at occasionally even if they had friends to fall back on), they were the boring-average kids who weren't really picked on, had friends, but always felt victimised because they weren't the most popular kids in the class
fortunately for just $80 they can have themselves and their furiends drawn in high-school sporting uniform and finally be the high-school jock™ as seen on TV™ they always wanted to be. having sex, naturally. and one of them is made of puff pastry.
>>74732
Liking drawn animal stuff is as much a basis for a community as liking Flight Simulators
the problem is that while the easiest part of a flight simulator to monetise is new planes and scenery, the easiest part of an artistic community to monetise is always the porn. That kickstarts a cycle of people selling porn and porn drawing in people who want to buy acceptance or attention, which leads to more people selling porn and so on. So now you've pushed all the "deeper" stuff (i.e. worldbuilding, stories, etc.) into the mud.
>Nobody expects I'll think, act, vote, or feel a certain way if they learn I'm a fan of Sports Team X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow#Football (more because it's a fun fact than to actually be pedantic.)
▶ No.74743>>74748
>>74738
There was no "alt-fur" movement, but the behavior the norm before. That was because fandom used to be libertarian. People didn't bitch about incorrect pronouns and ban nuhtzee boogeymen before social media cancer like Twitter and Tumblr.
▶ No.74747
>>74742
And that's even less of a basis for some kind of meaningful community. If furry is just a fetish for 75%+ of the people participating in it, then how does that give anybody a frame of reference to assume I'm going to have a specific opinion on something political or economic?
▶ No.74748>>74750 >>74789
>>74743
>That was because fandom used to be libertarian
I cannot think of a single period in the past 15 years where libertarianism was the prevailing point of view in the furry fandom. Unless you're talking about a general "live and let live" atmosphere, the typical furry's politics were basic bitch Democratic Party of the kind that disdained libertarians as Republicans who wanted to have gay sex and smoke weed, but that wasn't good enough because guns are scary and they didn't want to redistribute wealth.
>People didn't bitch about incorrect pronouns and ban nuhtzee boogeymen
There also weren't legitimate ethno-nationalist and fascist people wearing it on their sleeve and trying to be furries at the same time. That may not be what all or even most "alt-furry" was (indeed it seemed to be more and more just blase anti-PC as it gained visibility) but it did have leaders and high profile members who were 100% unironically into alt-right political positions.
Before that existed "nazifurs" were widely understood to be fags with uniform fetishes who just liked the idea of a Doberman pincer and a German shepherd wearing totenkopf caps and spitroasting some fox twink. Now even people with a uniform kink are expected to prove they aren't real nazi hiding behind irony, humor, and sexuality to advance actual fascist points of view. It's a wild goose chase most of the time, but alt-furs like furredreich et al. gave the turbo leftists all of the proof they needed to vindicate their most favorite fantasy: being targeted for oppression by nazis.
▶ No.74749>>74775 >>74813
I too remember the years gone by where everyone had a LGBQT badge on their artist profile and lectured people about calling trans "futa or dickgirls" while beating people for jerking off to cubs or being a nazi (codeword for everyone who wasn't part of the intersectionality machine).
▶ No.74750>>74751 >>74813
>>74748
>I cannot think of a single period in the past 15 years where libertarianism was the prevailing point of view in the furry fandom. Unless you're talking about a general "live and let live" atmosphere, the typical furry's politics were basic bitch Democratic Party of the kind that disdained libertarians as Republicans who wanted to have gay sex and smoke weed, but that wasn't good enough because guns are scary and they didn't want to redistribute wealth.
Yeah, it used to be "live and let live". People were into different subject matter, but they didn't force their views on each other. They were pro-acceptance, and pro-"freedom of choice".
>There also weren't legitimate ethno-nationalist and fascist people wearing it on their sleeve and trying to be furries at the same time. That may not be what all or even most "alt-furry" was (indeed it seemed to be more and more just blase anti-PC as it gained visibility) but it did have leaders and high profile members who were 100% unironically into alt-right political positions.
The ethno-nationlist types? Those types have always existed, they were just obscure since they didn't associate themselves with a label. They were on /furi/ around 2007-2018. They didn't tie their non-furry political identity because it would appear embarrassing. I want give a name of one of those users, but I don't want his account banned from FA. He was banned before though, had a digimon sona that started with a P.
You're right about new leaders coming into it though. One was a erotica novelist (furredreich?) who claimed to leave the fandom in the 90s. He treats it like a serious formal political movement/club by attacking people who criticize his brand or his close friends, providing a lot of ammunition to the left.
From what I noticed, a lot of ethnonationalist/fascist movements crumble apart because the ethnonationlist leaders can't handle criticism/bantz at all. They sperg badly whenever you criticize hitler, kind of the same way an SJW does whenever you criticize pride month. I'm not saying that they're equivalent. I'm saying that they tie the eternal too much to their ego. The minorities there are better at taking criticism than them. (I think they split into different branches recently)
▶ No.74751>>74767
>>74750
We know who you are shitlord, get out of your--er OUR fandom.
▶ No.74753>>74755
>Why do preexisting communities keep letting this happen?
Older generations leave and newer ones come in? I know that the LGBT group at my university seemed to get more SJW-esque each year as the more chill students graduated. I would assume after so many years of being in the furry "community" they'd either just get bored and leave or find a smaller sub-community to stay in and stop giving a shit about the community at large. It's the ones who are most autistic who care the most and eventually wiggle their way into power.
▶ No.74755>>74782
>>74753
It'll stop when the left goes back to pretending that Nazis don't exist anymore. They either admit that it's not working in eliminating actual discrimination or they arrogantly declare a major victory from an event and stop, after realizing that it's pointless to police every comment for discrimination.
▶ No.74767>>76784
>>74751
owo it's the cboyboy from a decade ago
▶ No.74775
>>74749
>when even other furries start calling you degenerate
Hardiman was an alright guy and it's a shame he's gone.
▶ No.74781
>>74724 (OP)
It's really quite simple. Most people don't care. Most people are very live-and-let-live. So, they don't really find issue with letting in oddballs, and even allowing rules to protect those oddballs from targeted harassment.
Sometimes, this turns out okay.
However, as of late, thanks entirely to identity politics, those oddballs are usually politically-minded actors specifically working to infiltrate and change a group, and do so as soon as they get power.
It's shit. But, communities let it happen because, most folk are fairly tolerant of others. Most folk really do not care that much if, say, another person's transexual, or gay, or whatever. And quite a large chunk of them thing it's a good thing to be tolerant of others. So, they end up supporting people asking for 'equality' and 'fair treatment', largely because they really don't care enough to look that deeply, and they support those buzzwords.
▶ No.74782>>74789
>>74755
The modern left doesn't want to eliminate discrimination, though. They couldn't care less about discrimination. Their entire source of power at this point is identity politics. Praying off of the idea of who you belong to based on your sexuality, race, or gender.
They're working very hard to pit people against eachother.
Discrimination is something they're desperately on the search for every day. Trying to lever literally anything as such, so as to gain more people to their side.
Just look at what the left did to the black community.
▶ No.74789>>74792 >>74793 >>74813
>>74724 (OP)
Who gives a shit? People have their own opinions and SCP is edgy 13 year old shit by the same people who play minecraft
>>74725
brainlet analysis. In truth, liberalism is what's hot right now as it encourages people to buy more consumeristic gay/pride rainbow crap.
>>74732
>Most furries were already of a left-of-the-center persuasion to begin with
How many times do we have to go over this, burgermutts? Liberals aren't leftists.
>>74748
Calling yourself a nazifur if you're not actually a nazi is the stupidest shit ever. Call yourself a WWII enthuisiast instead so you don't have to constantly explain to everyone that's you're not really a nazi even though you call yourself one.
>>74782
IDpol runs the entire american system, rightwing fags have their own version too, fundamentalist moralfaggotry.
▶ No.74792>>74798 >>74822
>>74789
Far right types, certainly.
And maybe the religious fundamentalists, but, those are quite uncommon, since hte bulk of American christians identify as Americans, not christians.
The left, meanwhile, have gone full stop on it.
Case and point, Hillary and her "it's her turn" bullshit.
As though we should elect her purely due to the fact she is a woman.
▶ No.74793>>74798 >>76682
>>74789
You are right that liberals are no longer considered leftists, though. At least in the more classical liberal sense of the word, anyway.
The compass has shifted rather autistically as of late.
▶ No.74798>>76557
>>74792
>>74793
Americans live in a bubble, a giant VR simulation where nothing makes any sense. Your political definitions are all fucked up. The left is those who want public ownership of the means of production socialists, communists, and anarchists. The right is those who want private ownership of the means of production, capitalists & liberals. Conservatives are technically liberals, they're just more socially reactionary. Hosting fag parades doesn't hinge on who owns the means of production because it's a social issue, not an economic one; it's not left vs. right, it's top vs. bottom where top-most is authoritarian and bottom-most is libertarian. It's called the political QUADrant for a reason, 4 sides. Americans are intentionally kept retarded and undereducated to make them more easily exploitable. This is the same country that autistically insists on using the imperial measurements system over the superior, more adapted metric system; pic related, countries in green use the metric, basically everywhere; countries in black, america and 2 other shitholes no one cares about use imperial. Another example, "libertarian"; if you go anywhere else in the world and ask what a libertarian is, they'll tell you its a shorthand for libertarian socialist, a polite-sounding euphemism for "anarchist." But americans insist that's it's this ultra-privatized neoliberal crap. The same country that thinks a single-payer healthcare system is "communist", when it's been pretty much adapted by the rest of the civilized world. The same country whose definition of socialism is "anytime the government does anything, ever."
▶ No.74813>>74822 >>74824
>>74749
Hardiman's POV was the distinct minority and he got plenty of hate from people at the time for not being sufficiently LGBT-affirming. He was the hip guy to dogpile on in the fandom for a time. He even died before the Poison Dart Whale cancer really took off and people still made light of it simply because of the pics you posted. I'm not saying that the furry community wasn't less pozzed than it is now, just that the climate was always further left than right. There are a lot of younger people who like to pretend it was neutral or right-libertarian the same as /pol/ and /v/ like to play revisionist history with the political climate of 4chan.
>>74750
>they didn't force their views on each other
Only true insofar as there weren't many litmus tests or witch hunts trying to vet individual furries against wrongthink. You'd still get bitched out and ostracized for not having at the very least center-left politics on all matters both economic or social, but it was a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. They weren't any more truly in favor of acceptance or free choice; they just didn't go out on crusades or have social media to enable them in attempting to run people with Wrong Opinion out of the community.
>Those types have always existed
And they knew better than to try and parade it out in the open and gain visibility for it simultaneous with their inane animal person shenanigans. I will say that no matter how autistic the idea of a racialist and third position furry can be, the reaction of general fandom to it as if it represents some kind of existential threat is clearly worse. I can't imagine anything more white and privileged than thinking something as historically left-wing and dependent on LGBT acceptance as furries are going to be taken over from the inside by NEETsocs. These people desperately want a Civil Rights movement or war to call their own and are looking for it in the pettiest places.
>>74789
>liberals aren't leftists
Whatever. The point is they were clearly to the left in the sense of the cultural perspectives of most Western countries. I can't imagine how anybody could deny that with a straight face.
>Call yourself a WWII enthusiast instead
Taboo is an important part of sexual thrill for a lot of fetishists. To most occidentals that's something that is highly present in being femdommed by a dominatrix in SS-inspired gear and simply is not there with an Imperial Japanese Navy officer's uniform.
▶ No.74822>>74827 >>74836
>>74813
>Only true insofar as there weren't many litmus tests or witch hunts trying to vet individual furries against wrongthink. You'd still get bitched out and ostracized for not having at the very least center-left politics on all matters both economic or social, but it was a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. They weren't any more truly in favor of acceptance or free choice; they just didn't go out on crusades or have social media to enable them in attempting to run people with Wrong Opinion out of the community.
Yeah, they didn't like cigarskunk, but a lot of the greymuzzles like rabbitom and Karno were progun. Artdecade and Rick Griffin were openly right wingers during that time (2006-2010) as well.
>And they knew better than to try and parade it out in the open and gain visibility for it simultaneous with their inane animal person shenanigans. I will say that no matter how autistic the idea of a racialist and third position furry can be, the reaction of general fandom to it as if it represents some kind of existential threat is clearly worse. I can't imagine anything more white and privileged than thinking something as historically left-wing and dependent on LGBT acceptance as furries are going to be taken over from the inside by NEETsocs. These people desperately want a Civil Rights movement or war to call their own and are looking for it in the pettiest places.
I fully agree. The far-left thinks that they've been crushing it, but the unironic racialists weren't looking for a fight to begin with.
>>74792
Full stop? If anything, the liberals are worse about it than the right. That's why a lot of their talking points are "If you don't do what I want THERE WILL BE ANOTHER HOLOCAUST FOR X DEMOGRAPHIC!! You don't want another holocaust, do you? WWII HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT GAS CHAMBERS CAME FROM HASHTAGS AND INCORRECT PRONOUNS!"
Maybe some don't argue that specific point, but some they do unironically and repeatedly argue that you're LITERALLY KILLING/HARMING/RAPING/[horrible thing to minority] as an excuse to prohibit speech. Don't get me wrong, they can argue that it's rude and distasteful, but to claim that it's fatal is melodramatic.
▶ No.74824>>74836
>>74813
>There are a lot of younger people who like to pretend it was neutral or right-libertarian the same as /pol/ and /v/ like to play revisionist history with the political climate of 4chan.
You can stop gaslighting us at any time. I'm 32 and was around for all of it, seen it with my own two eyes.
▶ No.74825>>74836
>stop hating Hitler and turning against Christianity, it hurts my feelings
No.
▶ No.74826>>74836
>>74724 (OP)
>or they become a series of irrelevantly small sub groups.
Furry is already this. It's become a catch-all term for various game, cartoon and such fandoms that have anthro characters. It's partly why so much drama exists, people who have zero reason to interact or just hate each other are forced into the community. It's bad enough when Sonic fans hate each other but expect them to now deal with other fandoms?
▶ No.74827
>>74822
I'm talking the identity politics aspect.
Not really their near-zealous standard of "if you like X, YOU ARE LITERALLY HITLER YOU NAZI XENOPHOBE RACIST MISOGYNIST"
▶ No.74836
>>74822
Rabbitom was the butt of plenty of jokes. I've even read old fandom comics from the 90s specifically making fun of him via his old fursona. Karno I know is pro-gun but I also think he gets a pass for being an early hyper promulgator. I don't know about Rick Griffin, but I think Artdecade only got a pass on porno power too. Maybe not; I don't much pay attention to popufur shit unless the drama is seminal and entertaining.
>>74824
That's cool. You're still wrong, though. I'm not much younger and have the same firsthand experience you're claiming, so it's really your word against mine. Maybe you just didn't give enough of a fuck about politics at the time to notice. I know what happened if you voiced anything that wasn't an orthodox left-liberal inclination and couldn't draw a decent enough dog-dick to encourage others to politely bite their tongues.
>>74825
That biting, topical satire. You should be doing live shows with Pepperyote.
>>74826
So why this stupid delusion that "we as furries must stand for/represent X"? I know that people try to say thing in other nerdy venues like the comic book scene but nobody in them even pretends to take those faggots seriously.
▶ No.74850
Ive been with the furry community since pre 2000. Ive seen it change and evolve. I have inside experience a few furry conventions. I can say that your observations are correct.
▶ No.74917>>75369
>>74732
>Implying right Libertarians are anywhere near center
▶ No.74944>>75366 >>75370
>>74724 (OP)
this is change for the better, racists must be purged from entire internet
▶ No.74971
>Why do preexisting communities keep letting this happen
Because tumblards deliberately seek out these communities and suck up to anyone with even a vague amount of power in order to worm their way into positions of power.
It's not so much the communities deliberately goes out of their way to ruin themselves, it's more like the original members fall for flattery and dicksucking then before you know it they're ousted by shitters and everything comes crumbling down.
That or they screech and cry like autistic children until the original members get tired and leave and the place turns into a hugbox.
This board is a great example of the early stages of that second reason. Easily offended tumblrinas do not belong on imageboards at all, yet there's at least one of them here whining as hard as he can in every thread, turning every discussion to shit, and all but the most dedicated anons have left entirely because of this.
The spam killed half our numbers, and faggot saw his chance to ruin what was left.
▶ No.75106>>75366 >>75370
>>74724 (OP)
maybe you're on the wrong side
▶ No.75366
>>75106
>>74944
You guys think this kind of faux moral crusading is great because the witch hunts haven't come for you yet. Give it time. In 10 years you'll both have an opinion about something that the SJW-left, assuming they aren't stopped or lose their momentum, will consider either not progressive enough or LITERALLY HITLER. And then you'll be doxxed, or harassed, and driven out by the psychopaths all the same, and they'll pat themselves on the back for getting rid of "the bigots" (in this case you) even though your positions never changed on anything.
▶ No.75369
>>74917
I didn't imply that. I said that they were right-libertarian "at most" with respect to being right-wing, or can you count the number of socially conservative furries from that time on more than one hand?
▶ No.75370>>75371
>>75106
>>74944
Short sighted fucktards like you are why humanity is doomed.
▶ No.75371>>75372 >>75383
>>75370
humanity is doomed because of stupidity, not because of short sightedness or a lack of principle.
our failure isn't censorship or the lack-thereoff, it's mass manufacturing pickle rick dildos and firing cars into space. actually, it's $1500 furry porn pictures too.
life is a massive joke. either you're rich enough to laugh (and to buy your way out of any consequence of falling afoul of other people anyway), or the joke's on you.
▶ No.75372
>>75371
Censorship is formed out of stupidity though. The people who suggest it are the same morons who think that hashtags cause gas chambers.
▶ No.75383
>>75371
I think you're splitting hairs, but I agree. I believe short-sightedness and stupidity go hand in hand. But yeah, it's all fucked.
▶ No.75440>>75451 >>75512
SJWs are not the fandom's problem.
The fandom's problem is its way too accepting of garbage while perfectly willing to keep old drama going indefinitely, because that person that critiqued your art or didn't kiss your butt 10 years ago must pay forever. Popufurs get a free pass to act like shit and can easily turn thousands of furries on one person in an instant.
My galleries have been empty for some time and every time I think of restoring them, I remember how fucking terrible the fandom is and realize it would be a total waste, because I upset some popufur 8 years ago and no one will let it drop. Fuck you people. I hope the SJWs destroy you.
▶ No.75451>>75463
>>75440
Every fandom currently is a basket case headed for complete destruction
the left's emotional manipulation goes like this
>everything I don't like is sexist/misogynist/racist/homophobic
>you don't wanna be racist and sexist do you?
<no no of course not! I'm not racist sexist and homophobic!
>then remove the things I don't like and implement the things I want!
<y-yes master
Most people are too stupid or too ignorant to realize they're being manipulated, even though they probably do not agree with that is happening, it's a frog not realizing it's being boiled kind of thing, as long as they can tolerate it, it's ok to them. And by the time they've had enough, it'll be too late and the leftists will have all the power, it has happened to everything from marvel to the SCP foundation and there is no way to reverse this infestation. The good thing is that when everything is burnt down, the new communities that rise from the ashes will have a certain hatred towards the SJWs, enough to stave off the cycle for a decade or so before they forget all about it and it begins again.
▶ No.75463>>75485 >>75512 >>75536
take: the reason politics as a whole is a more popular discussion point is because the internet as a whole is structured towards getting your attention and making you angry, since angry people click more. that's the underlying incentive structure on the internet - it's the same reason furry is about porn rather than discussing fantasy animal worlds, the latter takes a lot of boring reading and thinking for only a vague payoff, while the former can give you a dopamine hit in 5 minutes flat.
>>75451
even if the left didn't exist furry would be an incestuous cesspool. the problems of the fandom are far deeper rooted than a political phase. even on the politics sphere, it's just a wing of furry's normal tendency to drama. hell, it would be possible to - as communists used to say - critically support SJWs if they were blasting popufurs out of the fandom because they happened to hold politically incorrect views. but they don't, can't and won't, the social structures of the fandom won't support it. those are the popular people, the well-to-do people. your actions having consequences is strictly reserved for normal people.
▶ No.75485
>>75463
> dopamine hit in 5 minutes flat.
try 20 seconds flat for me uwu
▶ No.75490>>75511 >>75512
>men start a hobby
>men dedicate themselves to hobby
>more men join up
>members grow up
>a fraction of them get girlfriends
>they think they can pull their girlfriends into the hobby, and get the same amount of dedication and effort out of them when its scientifically and statistically proven that female brains do not operate the same way male brains do, they do not have the same cognitive ability or are willing to put as much effort as the original members into the hobby, essentially, they want to have their cake and eat it too, instead of choosing between the hobby and the social life
-----------------------------point of no return----------------------
>men who have girlfriends try to reduce the difficulty/complexity of the hobby to fit their girlfriends in it
>once hobby is watered down, horde of low-IQ, low-cognitive ability people join in
>hobby-creators and corporations realize they can make money out of watering down the hobby further for mass-appeal
>forsake original members
>turn hobby into a business
>original members (all men) leave
-----------------------------death of the hobby----------------------
>group of men are bored
>men start hobby
>....
▶ No.75511
>>75490
Man, women be shopping all the time amirite fellow incels?
▶ No.75512>>75517
>>75463
I have a hotter take. I think the increased abrasiveness is because of how they expect speech to be pleasurable.
>>75490
I don't necessarily buy this as women were always in it, but they weren't insufferable at the time. Both genders became loons over poltiics.
>>75440
If you're talking about the lack of forgiveness, it's likely because most of those types don't change their behavior. They repeat the same mistakes over and over.
▶ No.75517>>75519 >>75528
>>75512
>as women were always in it
no they fucking weren't.
▶ No.75519>>75523 >>75536
>>75517
In all fairness, that's because their room for personal activities were extremely diminished relative to males. It's a very recent thing that women are allowed to have enough of a life to even work (within the scope of our modern lifestyle) and our society has some really weird problems as a result. Personally, I don't think we should return to a time where women were considered worthless unless wed with child, but we definitely have some faults in our structure as a result of women's newfound increased independence.
I think a lot of people recognize that there are faults and wrongly take it out on the idea of gender normativity, despite there certainly being biological reinforcement behind it.
I've read studies that suggest women in general report less happiness now than back when the norm was the male breadwinner of the house and female housewarmer. It seems like a pretty subjective and arbitrary thing to measure, though, so I take it with a grain of salt - it could also generally be impacted by less happiness felt overall, as we currently are under more immediate strain on finances. Even though people look down on the idea a bit in our current culture, taking care of a house and especially caring for children is an extremely time-consuming prospect, but has definite benefits in child rearing. How do we strike the balance between giving women similar freedoms to men but still maintain what is biologically efficient?
A similar issue we struggle with is the actuation of the black class. Many people demand reparations to the descendents of those who suffered extreme racism, as though the alleged systemic racism (which I hold is more of a classist affair than that of gender or race) impacts their life so greatly. To some extent, there exists racists still, yes - old farts who still think interracial marriage is sinful, and who preach to their children whom never learn critical thinking or self-awareness, but the most important thing is it's dying out in a natural accord. It's just a cultural shift that takes time, but I guess fairly that's not exactly something people want to hear when they've been wronged. That's not something that validates their emotions. Oh well.
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>>74724 (OP)
Isn't it self-insulting to refuse to be something that's called "progressive"? That means you're regressive, and regression is for old fucks.
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>>75519
>men create literature
>women ruin it
>men create civilization
>women ruin it
>men create democracy
>women ruin it
>men create videogames
>women ruin it
>men create furfaggotry
>women ruin it
the only reason women haven't ruined sports is because sports are a competition of physical prowess, what are you gonna do? shoot men in the legs before starting a match to "equalize" things?
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>>75522
>necrophilia is OK if you call it "progressive"
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>>75523
This is a pretty self-centered way to look at things. Women have created many things, and it's very easy (and acceptable) to argue that because they were tied down so much by housekeeping that they weren't allowed to create as much.
Additionally, men have destroyed a lot, as well. You're painting with such a broad brush that it's not really arguing in good faith about the matter. People create things, and people also ruin these same very things.
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>>75525
>Women have created many things
no they haven't.
>they weren't allowed to create as much
they cant* create as much.
>"but they were oppressed!"
oh fuck off m8, i'd change places with them any day. they have it so fucking easy and still find shit to complain about.
try again after women go fend off tribes of angry big men in the cold with nothing but loincloths and sticks for millenia and i'll listen to you.
▶ No.75528
>>75517
I get the woman that you're about, it's communist political hack who does nothing but screech about MUH NAHTZEES so that trans people can donate to her paypal/kofi.
But not all women were like her. Old female furs like Carole Curtis did comics and eventually left.
>>75522
We're not rejecting it because of the name, but because of the actions. It's not progress if you go from "all criticism is good" to "mansplaining is evil", it's retardation.
▶ No.75535>>76707
>>75522
I put progressive in parenthesis because the ones who proclaim to be as such are often more regressive than anything else.
ie "we want this community to be inclusive and open for everyone!" While they shame/silence straight men (especially if they're white), police how others should depict characters, and harass/ try to oust those with interests and kinks that they personally don't share/like.
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>>75525
>>75519
>wimminz was slaves before 1920
>everything was Conan the Barbarian
>The Handmaiden's Tale is an accurate depiction of history
Fuck right off you white knight piece of shit. I'm more than done with this bullshit. Women insert themselves into male dominated spaces for attention and lack of competition with other women. This is a well understood fact to all but outsiders like you. Anyone who ever cries about the plight of housewives is someone who has never done an honest day's work in their lives.
I know >>75463 may talk down furry for being about the porn, but at least when I go on f-list I can have fun without some cunt ruining it.
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>>75536
Maybe if you would actually read my post instead of being reactionary to daring to post something that doesn't immediately fulfill your need for a circlejerk, you would see that I wrote women report being less happy now than they did before.
If subtext is too hard for you where me including this information doesn't cause you to understand how I feel on these facts that I'm writing about, that means I think feminism has largely been a mistake and has had serious repercussions on both the workplace and family life, something which we need to address.
Go ahead and tell me how women were literally the ones that burned Rome to the ground like the other guy, though. Maybe that will make a suitable argument that totally contributes to the conversation rather than just being a bald-faced affront to my post. If you missed the subtextual sarcasm on that line, then I suggest facing the reality that most well-adjusted people blame individuals rather than entire arbitrary groups. Or go to reddit for a proper circlejerk.
▶ No.75640
>>75523
None of the things you listed except for possibly democracy (which is hardly something to brag about) were created by men without female input. Not even videogames and especially not furfaggotry. This wasn't even covered up or denied during more allegedly patriarchal periods in history; you're making shit up. What woman hurt you?
>>75569
You're talking to a foreverwizard who I have feeling masturbates to Korean CGI cartoons.
▶ No.75867
To be honest, I want to kill regressive leftists along with the muslims.
I also think it is ironic that alot of these people will bash and slander you for liking loli/shota/cub yet will defend actual pedos and zoo's as marginalized groups.
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>>75868
>muh regressive
first in the oven
▶ No.75871>>75878 >>75889
>>75869
You're the one who just said it, fucking retard.
▶ No.75872>>75898
>>75868
You would know about mass murder, leftists killed more after all.
▶ No.75878
>>75871
Jokes on you
I'm someone completely different
ask a vol, they'll tell you
▶ No.75889
>>75868
>>75871
I did not expect anyone to react like you did when I posted that.
This wasn't even bait, all i did was state I wanted to kill two hostile non raical/ethnic groups of people who are effectively the cancer of the earth.
Because you have outed yourself as a regressive leftist, we should inform you that your kind isn't accepted here and that you should fuck off and return to the retarded hugbox from which you emerged.
▶ No.75898>>76105
>>75872
>It's okay for Nazis to murder people because Communists killed, too
>It's okay for Trump to start wars because Hillary would have, too
Every time.
▶ No.76105>>76128 >>76254
>>75898
What was Obamas kill count? A few thousand iirc
▶ No.76128
>>76105
No it wasn't a few thousand. Just remember Trump had more civilian casualties in just 8 months.
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>>76105
Depends GREATLY what definition you're using. According to bullshit Clinton-Benghazi-ISIS-Jews conspiracy theory flowcharts, it can be any sort of numbers, all off them wrong. If you mean like soldiers he "sent to their death" as commander in chief, it's probably some thousands just from the ones still in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Bush started those wars, anyway). If you mean non-US citizens or those not in the military, it's impossible to say, because accurate records aren't kept on those, and you can't possibly figure out whether or not the are attributable to the President.
Really, the best metric is, How many people did Obama WANT to kill? Probably none. How many people did the Nazis WANT to kill? Probably several billion: everyone who wasn't the Aryan race.
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>>76254
Did you forget about the Syria and Libyan intervention?
>How many people did the Nazis WANT to kill? Probably several billion: everyone who wasn't the Aryan race.
Yeah, the Japanese totally didn't kill americans in WWII.
Not only are you retarded for not knowing your WWII history, you're also retarded for thinking "slurs"="intent for gassing jews".
▶ No.76557>>76560
>>74798
>brief history of libertarianism
>doesn't mention Lockesian philosophy or the Enlightenment
Propaganda/10
▶ No.76560
>>76557
a history of the term libertarianism has nothing to do with a history of libertarianism
▶ No.76682
>>74793
>liberals are no longer considered leftists
they never were lol
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>>76558
how about you invent a sandwich granny
▶ No.76704
>implying furries know what free speech is
You're talking about retards that scream "human rights violation" if you comment block them on FA
▶ No.76705>>76741 >>76754 >>76756
Hitler loved Islam. He'd stick most of his modern "followers" into a camp or have them shot for hating his preferred religion. Actually most would be for being racially impure, collecting action figures at an adult age, dressing like poor trash, you name it. ESPECIALLY being furries.
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>>75535
>police how others should depict characters
I personally think it would be great if the companies that own these characters, because 95% of furry art anymore is unauthorized fan art, would actively send C&D notices to artists that draw shit they don't approve of. Policing? Maybe. Their characters and they have every right to disapprove of depictions they find counter to their brand image? Absogoddamnlutely!
Hasbro has done this to some degree with pony smut but they focus so far on retail stuff only, not all porn art. It unfortunately takes time to go after all of it, and the dumbass media outlets like to portray companies as villains of they do this.
>inb4 "IP ownership is bad"
Your garbage ideas are bad.
▶ No.76712
>>76707
The only thing IP ownership should do is prevent people from stealing or making money off your idea. If people want to draw porn of it, too bad.
▶ No.76740>>76815
we want this community to be inclusive and open for everyone (who has hundreds of dollars of disposable income or an ego the size of saturn.)
>>76707
IP ownership is bad but furry is also bad
▶ No.76741
>>76705
His preferred religion was shintoism because he was a proto-weeaboo with muhammedian islam as an acceptable compromise
▶ No.76754>>76755 >>76777
>>76705
For the last time, NO ONE HERE UNIRONICALLY SUPPORTS HITLER AND NAZISM HERE
▶ No.76755
>>76754
the holocaust didn't happen
▶ No.76756>>76762 >>76814
>>76705
>Hitler loved Islam
>SS pledge was literally christian worship
This is a level of misunderstanding geopolitics that isn't even funny.
▶ No.76762
>>76756
Wow, it's almost like Hitler was a sociopathic hypocrite who believed only in his own farts' aroma and you can quote mine him at various periods from 1930-1944 to make it sound like he believed anything. Could it be that's part of what helped him be so successful in politics?
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>>76754
Must be pretty new.
▶ No.76784>>76804
>>74767
Patachu is now a /pone/.
too bad SJWs got his Twitter down a week ago, because he exposed some kind of pedos
https://twitter.com/darkdoomer/
F.
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>>76784
fucked up if true
on all accounts
▶ No.76813
>conservative
>draws porn
Pick one and only one.
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>>76740
>IP ownership is bad
Kill IP ownership and you kill the entire entertainment industry.
You aren't entitled to free entertainment. You wanna pirate, fine, but don't pretend it's moral or that artists should work for free.
I stopped doing art because my shit didn't even get sufficient page views, and trust me, you fuckers do not care.
▶ No.76821>>76824
>>76815
>inb4 "how dare you give up a failed art hobby to go work a job to pay your bills! You should be happy to give me free cummies I mean enrich the world with art!"
▶ No.76822>>76849
>>76815
>I stopped doing art because my shit didn't even get sufficient page views
your art sucks anyways
▶ No.76824>>76825 >>76849
>>76815
>Kill IP ownership and you kill the entire entertainment industry.
the furry fandom shouldn't be an industry.
>I stopped doing art because my shit didn't even get sufficient page views, and trust me, you fuckers do not care.
see now this would be the problem with the fandom - one of attention and community but from the sound of things if you'd gotten attention you'd have just tried to use it as a route to the dollar and perpetuated the problem. :^)
>>76821
if it's a hobby it's something you should enjoy doing without compensation. monetizing your hobby is vandalizing your hobby. even if you get equal pleasure out of it, you pollute the environment for everyone else.
but furry is long gone, really the only question is why are you still here. i'm here because i have a pathological inability to let go of lost causes, what's your excuse?
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>>76824
>monetizing your hobby is vandalizing your hobby
Some crafts deserve to be monetized through commission. It's the consumerist society we live in that perverts the system.
▶ No.76826
>>76825
consumerism is a function of the market. markets are remarkably powerful things.
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>>76815
>Kill IP ownership and you kill the entire entertainment industry.
good
▶ No.76848
Trumpet staff member go this fee-fees hurt, I see the tell-tale anchor of easily offended conservatives who can't actually delete a thread!
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>>76822
tell me your FA page, I wanna see your quality. Then block your ass.
>>76824
I have expenses, I can't do free shit without compensation, and if what I do make gets piss-poor views then it's a waste of time to make or even upload it. Don't like it, go fuck yourself, I wasn't put on this planet to serve you or do what you think is the right way to live.
▶ No.76851
>>76849
Your "art" sucks, niggy
▶ No.76864
>>76849
>I have expenses, I can't do free shit without compensation
If you have to work 16 hours a day you're already dead.
>and if what I do make gets piss-poor views then it's a waste of time to make or even upload it
Again, I don't disagree. But if you're only uploading it with the expectation of turning your hobby into another form of employment to get yourself from the 8 hour work day to the 16 hour work day, that's a good thing.
You're posting here right now >for free. You ever think drawing a picture you want to see - even if you don't share it - might be more enjoyable than exchanging views on an imageboard when neither of us are ever going to agree?
▶ No.77305
>in this episode of /fur/
>Hitler, Islam. 9/11, Anal vore