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 No.73893>>74575 >>74597 >>74625 >>74686 >>74877 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

https://news.sky.com/story/memes-will-be-banned-under-new-eu-copyright-law-warn-campaigners-11398577

Recently there's been a stir that the EU has been proposing to ban memes from the internet via new copywrite legislation that requires you to pay money to creators for creating derivative works online.

What I suddenly realized is companies can potentially use this as a tool to remove fanart and derivative work based on their content that they don't like. I remembered when Nintendo removed fangames after suing the creators. How much of a stretch is it to expect that they might go after FurAffinity for hosting things like Pokemon porn stating "unauthorized artwork is not allowed under EU law" and FA just capitulating to them and removing it?

 No.73912>>73917 >>73928 >>73951

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>when a furry artist draws an unlicensed picture of Pikachu®™, stealing your intellectual property and thus violating the NAP so you purchase his dox from a datamining company and sue him for several billion dollars for damaging your business


 No.73917

>>73912

They don't even need to purchase dox. Just send a C&D to Dragoneer/IMVU and cause them to overreact causing a zero tolerance policy on FA. And once it's kill on FA it'll spread elsewhere.


 No.73923>>73926 >>73943

>people support Trump

>Trump is openly pro-corporate and anti-piracy

>his Israeli masters and Putin push for this in Europe and Asia

>Trump will bring this to the US

Between this and the video game ban he sure is pushing to MAGA, and his supporters will go along with it to avoid admitting they hate him.

>I know he's gonna take away mo video games and do shit that could land me in jail but he makes SJWs upset so it's all worth it, besides when America was great we had slavery and no women voting, we didn't even have video games or fan art back then so they clearly corrupted our land


 No.73924>>73928 >>74285 >>74877

Actually under current US copyright law every company can shut down fan art with just a letter. They generally do not because it tends to make them look bad when news coverage breaks(see Disney eating shit over the daycare center mural) and because it's a civil matter. This is why companies want it to be a criminal offense, much easier to have someone arrested on a crime than to sue a person with no money. Bad press over arrests? One of the provisions of TPP was that the news would never even hear about the arrest or be allowed to report it because it could damage a company's profits. This will also lead to ending negative product reviews.

Just be aware big companies will still be allowed to steal from the little guys, like how Hasbro ripped his band's name off for the SJW Jem cartoon in the 80s and told him to fuck off when he complained, and still get away with using the name without his permission.


 No.73926>>73928 >>73931

>>73923

>people support Trump

Keep in mind that a large majority of support was based entirely on the choice between Clinton and Trump. I support(ed) Trump if only because he was a wildcard, whereas Clinton was a known quantifiable threat. Once Trump gets out of office, very little will have actually changed - certainly not people pointlessly shrieking over their microaggressions fringing upon their outrage culture.


 No.73928>>73930 >>73952

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>>73912

Hey, it could happen

>>73924

Yeah but it would take a fuckton of time and resources tracking down every single person who drew a pic of a trademarked character. And the "damage" it does to the company is minimal.

>>73926

Trump was a win for the accelerationists I'll admit.


 No.73930>>73944

>>73928

How exactly would Clinton have been any different in that regard? You think she actually would have enacted any actual meaningful clean energy policies? Maybe we'd be pissing away some money for the Paris Climate Accord (and doing basically nothing). Individually our carbon footprints are microscoping compared to the corporate and societal carbon footprint as a result of our lifestyle. What about all this stuff with Russia? Clinton would have navigated us to not be in a huge conflict with them? Clinton winning would mean we wouldn't care about them supposedly meddling with our election? She literally wanted to enact a no-fly zone over Syria, which Russia definitely would not have respected. Russia would have dared us to kill someone over Syrian airspace. What then?

I really don't understand the people that are outraged over Trump specifically. Trump wasn't a failure of democracy. Frankly, if Clinton would have won, being as much in the pockets of big corporations as she is, very little would have been different (but at least Trump passed on the TPP, so there's that, I guess.) The failure of democracy was that it never was particularly democratic after all. Trump isn't a failure, Trump v Clinton was the failure.


 No.73931

>>73926

They screwed themselves by screwing over Bernie. He was their only real chance at beating Trump.


 No.73943

>>73923

>his Israeli masters and Putin push for this in Europe and Asia

Source: Your ass.

>I know he's gonna take away mo video games and do shit that could land me in jail but he makes SJWs upset so it's all worth it, besides when America was great we had slavery and no women voting, we didn't even have video games or fan art back then so they clearly corrupted our land

He isn't pushing for a videogame or copyright infringement ban, but do you unironically miss lootboxes, DLC, and season passes? Videogames died a long time ago.


 No.73944>>73945 >>73946

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>>73930

The what? What are you talking about? I'm not rooting for fucking Hillary. Or Trump. Give me a fucking break. I don't care about that stuff. All I'm saying is, Trump is speeding up the ultimate demise of capitalism. I say, let it come. I am ready.


 No.73945>>73946 >>73948

>>73944

Whenever you intrinsically suggest that the victor of the Presidential shitshow specifically benefits one party, then it exists as a stark contrast to the literal only other option we could have had, as a two-party system. I'm not suggesting who you're rooting for, but in this particular case I'm pointing out that functionally a Hillary administration would not have been significantly different. If anything, Trump's incompetence has probably saved us time compared to what Hillary could have pushed as a veteran of fucking over her people.

Also, accelerationism is stupid.


 No.73946>>73948

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>>73944

It won't die, especially if the left is benefiting from that economic system.

>>73945

Accelerationism is stupid because it guarantees another Zimbabwe and South Africa.


 No.73948>>73954 >>73973 >>73998 >>74016

>>73946

>It won't die

Capitalism is unsustainable, the earth doesn't have the resources and is depleting rapidly, and the 3rd world has just about had enough.

>if the left is benefiting from that economic system

Liberals aren't leftists you fucking American't. Leftism belong to communism, socialism, and anarchism (stateless socialism); liberals are on the top right hand side of the sociopolitical quadrant, just because they're slightly to the left of conservatives does not put them in the left quadrant. Ok? Need a picture to illustrate this?

>>73945

>accelerationism is stupid

It's the only likely outcome. Better than a slow, painful death. I welcome the demise of the world. Or, a transition to socialism. Whatever.

>>73946

>guarantees another Zimbabwe and South Africa

>Says the Amercunt who doesn't understand imperialism or how America keeps the country intentionally poor in order to extract its resources

Stop being faggots and welcome the destruction. I hope the government comes to try and take away our guns so we can start another civil war. Stop being niggers and join us or perish like a fucking dog.


 No.73950>>73954

Can you fags go back to /pol/ and stop derailing the thread? The thread wasn't about capitalism or trump


 No.73951>>73953 >>74728

>>73912

>intellectual property

>existing in anarchy

wew


 No.73952

>>73928

>pic

>anyone wanting neo-nazi anything on /pol/

>not sucking 50 pozed dicks means not wanting to read or some shit

cool meme lad


 No.73953

>>73951

They don't need to target individuals just the websites. It's why companies tend to go after websites like the PirateBay and Kat and not individuals who torrent.

All they'd need to do is just put the squeeze on FA to really see a big crackdown on this everywhere else.


 No.73954>>73955

>>73948

>the earth doesn't have the resources and is depleting rapidly

Wrong. The problems keeping us from a post-scarcity society are storage and distribution. We have access to free, clean, infinite energy, but due to storage constraints it is massively more expensive (or otherwise unsuitable to be distributed to a grid on the large-scale) than our current systems. As far as food goes? We have so many resources that we're making actively wasteful decisions and hardly blinking.

>the 3rd world has just about had enough

wut

>It's the only likely outcome. Better than a slow, painful death. I welcome the demise of the world. Or, a transition to socialism. Whatever.

Please leave. You're free to feel however you want about the world, but having such a defeatist attitude is non-contributional to discussions. Accelerationism isn't a likely outcome, let alone the "only" likely outcome.

>>73950

This is quite possibly the last possible thread for you to moralfag about muh politics in muh fetish. It's literally politically charged, and unfortunately right now whenever it comes to politics, short-sighted Americans can only immediately equate it to how it must be a fault in capitalism, as they tap away at their cheap iPhone 7XDs and sipping their Caramel Mocha Frappe Starbucks Delight inside their insulated, climate controlled home with hundreds of square feet of space per person.


 No.73955>>73956 >>73957

>>73954

>This is quite possibly the last possible thread for you to moralfag about muh politics in muh fetish

You shat up the thread with shit that's not related. The thread wasn't about capitalism or socialism or Trump it was about EU copywrite laws and intellectual property.


 No.73956

>>73955

Which are extremely relevant to capitalism.


 No.73957

>>73955

Also it's literally one guy being a nihilistic faggot bemoaning the heat death of the universe not coming soon enough and everyone calling him a dumbass over it, but here you are flapping your wings and cawing about how tired you are of this dead board beating the same dead horse that's an extremely hot topic for all of America right now.


 No.73973>>73974

>>73948

>capitalism is unsustainable

>exists even when outlawed

Stupid, stupid communists.


 No.73974>>73977

>>73973

the underlying logic of this post is incredibly stupid.

>oil use isn't sustainable

>people keep burning oil even if you ban it

CLEARLY this means oil will last forever


 No.73977>>73982 >>73987

>>73974

>oil gone means people gone

You just don't get how it works down here. Do you? Fossils don't last. Men do, and men have lasted longer without them than they have with. Man is best. He must become better, and worse.


 No.73982>>73983 >>73992

>>73977

And what do you think is going to happen once the oil is gone...? Tens of billions of cars and trains and planes and ships all run on oil. 90% of the shit in your house is made of plastic. Medications are made with petroleum products. The ONLY REASON why the population went into an exponential climb in the 1900's is because of petroleum-based fertilizers and pesticides and herbicides increasing food yields from the same acreage by a thousand-fold. When the oil runs out, civilization is going to COLLAPSE. Almost all of the world's arable land is already being farmed, so once the fields can't produce like they used to without the fertilizers, literally billions of people WILL DIE.

Will mankind survive? Probably. In a few isolated tribes here and there as hunter-gatherers, but not like now, and likely never again. All the "easy" shit that civilization used to start itself, all the clean land and resources just lying on the ground are gone. The only way to get more resources is to put huge amounts of energy and power and money into it. Think of civilization like a fire. First you start with a match, and you use it to light tinder, and then use that to light kindling, and then sticks, and then branches, and then logs. Well, humanity has burned everything but the biggest logs in terms of resources; not only the fossil fuels, but the best land and the best foods and all the ores and rare metals. It's all GONE, except deep in the Earth and hard to get to. Early man used their hands and basic tools to pick iron and copper from the ground, but that's all gone. You can't get it anymore except with huge machines, and if those machines are destroyed, you can't get enough resources to rebuild them. It's a Catch-22.

So if this "fire" goes out, if there's a big collapse or a nuclear war or something, there is nothing those remnants of civilization can do to pick themselves up again. The fire CANNOT be lit again with the scant resources we have left. If humanity doesn't develop the technology to get the fuck off this planet to a place where there is more easy resources, and soon, that's IT! There is no restarting anymore; it's impossible. Do you understand? Once we run out of oil, humanity is dead.


 No.73983>>74265

>>73982

>Do you understand? Once we run out of oil, humanity is dead.

Pretty sure you don't understand yourself. We already have alternative solutions to almost every single thing you listed, we just don't use them because they're more expensive than oil, the theoretically scarce product.


 No.73987>>74019

>>73977

>oil gone means people gone

have absolutely no idea where you got that from.


 No.73992

>>73982

>a nuclear war

A nuclear war couldn't stop the machine we're in. Look up what a "tactical nuke" really is, and simulate just how large a standard nuclear missile's explosion radius would be. Again, many would die, but not as many as you hope. It would possibly be enough for a revolution, but so could any war, and as long as the rules of modern warfare are still followed, the way we live will most unfortunately continue.


 No.73998

>>73948

>Capitalism is unsustainable,

2/10


 No.74016>>74033

>>73948

The "M-MUH LIMITED RESOURCES ARGUMENT" has got to be some of the stupidest shit I ever come across.

Fact is, resources are effectively infinite.

Because we just develop new ways to dig 'em up, and more efficient ways to use 'em.

Doomsday faggots like you've been saying we'd run out of this or that for a long time.

Ain't the case. We've barely tapped so much as an eight of our planet's potential, and there's always the surrounding universe. There is nearly infinite room for expansion, and so the idea that it's just unsustainable will never pan out.


 No.74019

>>73987

People are naturally "capitalist", and cannot be so easily depleted like fossils can.


 No.74022>>74030


 No.74030>>74265

>>74022

>tiny island stripmined for its resources

>comparable to the globe

Besides that, isn't this a case of finding and taking the resources of this island?


 No.74033>>74034 >>74037

>>74016

>Fact is, resources are effectively infinite.

Negative. As someone that does mining and jewelry making for a bit of a living, you're utterly wrong. For example, turquoise and chrysocolla are becoming increasingly harder to find, as we've exhausted most commercially-viable copper ore mines, and those are found under that copper ore as a secondary formation.

If there's one thing on this planet we're not likely to run out of, it's iron and carbon and silicon. Everything else is easily depletable and/or wasted to the point of irrecoverability.


 No.74034>>74036

>>74033

How could man live without copper, or jewelry?


 No.74036

>>74034

Switch to silver or gold for most copper applications. That only lasts so long, though.

As it stands, I have a tiny piece of turquoise and its current assessed value is $550. It's like a mere 21 carats. There's not even enough copper in it to coat a penny.


 No.74037>>74038

>>74033

>Not commercially viable

So yes, infinite on a practical level. Just because Schlomo Goldsteinberg earns $050 instead of $100 per ton doesn't mean it's not there.


 No.74038

>>74037

If it's not commercially viable to mine, nobody will mine it. Not even slave laborers would want to waste the time and resources.

Which means there is an effectively LIMITED supply. Please try again when you actually do these things on a professional basis.


 No.74265>>74311

>>73983

>We already have alternative solutions to almost every single thing you listed

I'd love for you to try and list some of them. Go ahead and describe to me how ammoniate fertilizers are manufactured, as a primer course, so we can know whether you even have the faintest idea what you're talking about. I'm betting you don't.

>>74030

You underestimate just how much resources over 7.5 billion people consume. Your mind literally is incapable of processing a number that large. The fact remains, almost nothing on Earth is 100% recyclable, and everything not recycled is getting tossed into landfills. Every high-end consumer electronic has small amounts of rare-Earth elements and gold in it, and so every time one gets thrown into the garbage, those resources are effectively lost. It's just not economically sound to process garbage for the tiny amount of those elements per ton, but there are a lot of tons worldwide.

The other issue is that most of the world's rare-Earth metals are being mined in China. Unsustainably, because they don't give a shit. Nobody is sure whether they're just going to suddenly run dry, or whether the Chinese standard of living will rise high enough where literal-slave-wages are no longer acceptable for working in those mines, and in the factories where electronics are assembled. Either way, the cost to make your average electronic gadget is going to absolutely skyrocket. Think the iPhone 24, except it costs $25,000.


 No.74285>>74608

>>73924

Can't they already fuck people with NDAs?


 No.74311>>74578 >>74596

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>>74265

You should get off your high horse and stop being abrasive over literal nothingness. I have no real reason to defend myself against that claim because it's already covered in the preface I already described:

We use oil because it's cheaper to do so.

Now, some of that cheapness does come given there has been plenty of lobbying on part of the oil overlords preventing proper research and development of other options, but despite all that, greener methods are continuing to flourish.

It's not even like I'm specifically saying you're wrong, just that you are being hyperbolic in your doomspeaking and not really bringing productive discussion to the table. With your extremist

>Once we run out of oil, humanity is dead.

attitude, you're effectively doing the same as a zealous preacher standing on a corner proclaiming that the world will soon be burnt to a crisp so that we shall atone for all of our sins, like mixing whites and blacks and getting creative with which holes we put penises in.

In the worst case scenario that our resources do drop off the face of the earth with no recoverable routes, then society will simply change to accomodate this as we have many times in the past. Our whole service-focused hypereconomy is very much a new thing for us anyway.

Besides all that, if you REALLY want to be a doomspeaker, then why are you focusing on oil like that? If you want to take on the impending doom attitude, you could much more relevantly focus on climate change and how we've already crossed a cataclysmic level which will, within the span of a few decades, overheat the oceans to the point that all of the plantlife contained inside will die, thereby destroying the world's oxygen supplies. I've seen that making the rounds of various medias, and it's easy to digest and scare people. No reason you have to get complex and require people to understand the process plastic is made to understand how we're all going to die in our own feces or whatever.


 No.74575

>>73893 (OP)

>EU banning memes can potentially affect furries

INB4 german brexit.


 No.74578

>>74311

What's the point of bringing discussion? None of us will ever be in a position to change policy, so mulling over it is irrelevant naval-gazing. Besides that, it will happen after all of us are dead, of natural causes or otherwise. Civilizations tend to collapse very slowly, by human timescales. There isn't a point to my doing this, other than stating plain facts. I don't give a shit about sins or atonement, or even doing things about it. I may as well tell you about how the Universe will end when there isn't enough material left for stars to burn, and entropy continues to increase until there is nothing more than a nigh-endless void of cold disassociated particles never interacting with each other, for the endless infinity of time. Call it depressing or doomsaying; it's just what it is.

As for climate change, it's also slow. It'll take a century for the temperature to go up a few degrees and the sea levels to rise a hundred meters. Nothing cataclysmic is likely to happen on that front, but there will be hundreds of millions of people displaced by sea water, and hurricanes and droughts will continue to get worse. These things may happen in our lifetime, but it won't affect rich countries very much; we'll just hire the Dutch to install more levees and dams. Climate change will rape humanity up the ass, but it won't destroy it. Not like oil. The thing about that is it can and will happen fast, like a domino effect. Look at what happened with the oil embargo in the 70's, except imagine that shortfall never ends.


 No.74596>>74606

>>74311

I wish this was a /fur/ OC.


 No.74597

>>73893 (OP)

>sky news

I don't trust newsfeeds which at the same time provides my fucking mails or something. Show me a professional, non-clickbaity news site link.


 No.74603>>74608


 No.74606

>>74596

You could make it happen.


 No.74608>>74636

>>74603

>actually thinking governments care about you

>>74285

You mean C&D. Yes technically, and under the DMCA they can even fine you without a trial and some have, but often it causes bad press like when Disney went after a day care center for painting a wall with Mickey Mouse on it.

If they can criminalize it with a "the media never hears about the arrest" provision then they'd be much happier to just arrest you and take your property as "compensation". Lawsuits are useless against the poor and harder to collect on than you'd think. James Randi, who has money, has been sued by a number of magicians he debunked and lost, yet never paid them a dime. Some guy drawing MLP crap doesn't have money. Winning a lawsuit doesn't magically suck money out of their bank account even if they do have it, collecting can be a bitch.


 No.74625

>>73893 (OP)

wtf i love 80 year copyright extensions now


 No.74636>>74700

>>74608

I should have worded it better, I meant that evading the bad press of the C&D with a NDA.

>Lawsuits are useless against the poor and harder to collect on than you'd think. James Randi, who has money, has been sued by a number of magicians he debunked and lost, yet never paid them a dime. Some guy drawing MLP crap doesn't have money. Winning a lawsuit doesn't magically suck money out of their bank account even if they do have it, collecting can be a bitch.

Good point.


 No.74686>>74688

>>73893 (OP)

Furries? this affects every fan-artists and probably will kill OC as well since the companies will just steal your shit.

If leftists and the rich elite have something in common is that they have cero, nada, absolutely no imagination.


 No.74688>>74693

>>74686

>leftists

Because conservatives actually oppose this, oh wait, trump is in favor of strict copyright laws because it helps the rich and most conservatives do not give a fuck about the average joe and would gladly go along. Literally the only reason they did not support TPP was "durr it being pushed by that black demmycrat"

Trump has strongly considered bringing TPP back, he just wants it changed in a few spots, probably not pro-corporate enough for his tastes. Not a surprise what with corporations believing and lobbying for an end of personal property ownership and how they've actively fucked people over so far using the DMCA and other loopholes. They'll stick some computer chip in it, then claim you modifying or fixing it violates the DMCA, great, you committed a crime by repairing your property instead of going to an authorized repair center.

Forget this shit being limited to digital internet copyrights, they want it in your homes in your physical goods. Buying or selling used goods? They want that illegal as well, look at how many companies tried to kill "first sale doctrine" a few years back. Digital video games sales are a major step in that direction too.


 No.74693>>74699

>>74688

In the end they are just insects compared to the 7 foot tall mighty negro.


 No.74699>>74711

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>>74693

I.... that's got fuck-all to do with this, go back to your containment board.


 No.74700

>>74636

The RIAA and MPAA lawsuits have been toned down massively, not because they lose them(though they're starting to lose them because judges are no longer accepting a sole IP address as proof of identity in court, and some are just getting sick of these civil downloading cases and tossing them out), mainly because they sue poop people who not only can't pay but it causes bad press to fine someone $50K for one song when the person is broke.

Sadly the only way you will stop this garbage is with blood. Round up every CEO that doesn't want you to own shit, every musician who thinks piracy killed music, every gamer who thinks digital sales are good for consumers, every politician who thinks piracy is a worse crime than anything Trump has done, and lop their head off. Won't happen though, only Muslims are willing to draw blood to win a cause anymore and they could not remotely give a shit about copyright laws in the first place, white people will be convinced that these laws are good for them and that MP3s are communism(yes, the irony of that what with Putin being against piracy). ABC News was telling people that TPP was good for America and if Trump wants it then Breitbart will praise it!


 No.74711

>>74699

Leftypol can't meme.


 No.74728>>74741

>>73951

>what is anCAP


 No.74741

>>74728

Then it's not anarchic, and "capitalism" is a jewish lie, so you believe in nothing.


 No.74877

>>73893 (OP)

>companies can potentially use this as a tool to remove fanart and derivative work based on their content that they don't like

Sounds like a great way to piss off fans (and hopefully get copyjew repealed)

>>73924

Of course they don't go after fans. That'd just lose them their audience and show people copyright's true colors as the tool for censorship it was intended to be.

>big companies will still be allowed to steal from the little guys

Absolutely. No one has money (or time) to sue. It's a little known fact that copyright works only for the wealthy (exceptions are few and far between).

There's also assuming you're in Clapistan the little known fact that you can't sue for statutory damages and lawyer's fees (aka the thing companies always sue for) without registering your work's copyright within 3 months of its publication. So if you don't drop a copy of your pic of dogs fucking at the Library of Congress, you're almost guaranteed to lose (lots of) money should you sue.




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