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 No.36441>>36451 >>37757 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

ITT: We watch furries try to damage control the public seeing them shit in diapers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmULc5VANsw

 No.36451>>36790 >>36797 >>36965

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>>36441 (OP)

As usual the comments section is full of normalfag retards and edgelords, but one comment sticks out to me;

"RF was intentionally attacked by someone who was high that had gotten kicked out for being high and wanted revenge. Thus he played into the stereotype and bought a pack of depends, something not even furries would wear, and tossed them around the hotel. Mysteriously the hot tub was vandalized with towels and the bathroom too. The hotel made no attempt to reach out to guests about the incidents. The only sign of trouble the entire convention was a brief letter sunday night saying the hotel was returning to normal procedure and that noise and door art should be removed. What killed rf was the amount of irresponsible drug use combined with someone/s intentional attacks against the event. Two new conventions have spawned as a result and the other convention run by the same staff has not had any issues. I do also find some fault in the staff failing to pay for previous years damages... It would seem like a common courtesy and since then i understand ALL of the staff has turned over positions to new members. Old dead fake news."

can someone verify this?


 No.36790

>>36451

They were going to pay the damages but the hotels refused


 No.36797

>>36451

Internet Historian better read that and be the hero for us like he did with balloon boy's dad. Hope he makes a follow-up video to show the world furries did nothing wrong and fix Rainfurrest's reputation and maybe even catch the saboteur.


 No.36965>>37919 >>39066

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>>36451

As someone who went for several years and can shed some light on those events:

Several people were caught high at RF in the past doing drugs. They were mostly told to sleep it off(RF policy was to not kick people out unless it was overkill) The claim it was a disgruntled attendee is either suspect cause most got away with it, or it is easily narrowed down to only a handful of people.

second, the Depends throughout the hotel area did happen, it was labeled as a "scavenger hunt" to find "goodies" which from what I heard was chocolate candy a ton of the time.

thirdly there was a ton of issues more that happened that year. someone flooded a bathroom and the water damage seeped down into offices for the Hilton. Signs were ripped off the walls in hallways.

The hot tub was damaged by the towels being packed around the motor for the water heater. the funny thing is the hot tub broke every year, from bubble bath being put into it to things like drying off/heating up towels around the motors and overheating the damn thing.

The thing with RF is that it ultimately was the staff letting shit get to the point the Hilton said "fuck you people, you are never working in this town again" and spreading the infamy around. from what I understand from talking to various former staff, the cost of damages like the hot tub were covered in the lease but they still let it happen over and over thinking that letting shit get bad is fine as long as they kept paying for in afterwords.

TLDR; RF failed because of staff letting shit get as bad as it was and the after math of rumors being such glorious gossip is because they refuse to admit they fucked up.

I attended the con from 2010 onward till its death and remember trying to meet up with fellow fags from here but my phone wouldn't connect to the internet at the time, does anyone here remember that conversation happening at RF?


 No.37757

>>36441 (OP)

>THE CURRENT YEAR -2 RAINFURREST

so what caused this to start trending?


 No.37919>>38078

>>36965

Very insightful, just what I was looking for. Thank you, Anon!


 No.38078

>>37919

No Problamo electric gym leader, if anyone has questions about the con I hope I can answer them.


 No.39066>>39186

>>36965

I, too, was an attendee, every year the con was open (and have the pins given out since year 1, including the so-called "year zero" pin). It was my home con, and I loved it, but it had its problems.

Staff were lax about cracking down on problems. They were all volunteer, they had problems getting new people, and the long-time regulars had a fair number of "this is an easy job, I'm just here so I can feel important" types. One particular staffer got in hot water for really fucking up, but kept being let back onto staff. They DID kick a few people out, though; the very last year, some drunk, high guy who kept screaming "RAPE! RAPE!" every time security got near was formally booted-- twice (he came back a short time later).

Another staff issue: Gene Armstrong had been up near the top for years, and rather than learn how to do things, I think a large portion of staff stuck to "go ask Gene." Gene could be a self-important windbag at times, but he knew how to run a con. When Gene retired, I think staff ended up being kind of lost. They'd never really learned operations in-depth, so were a bit out-of-their-element. This paragraph is not based on what I've been told by involved people; rather, it's my personal opinion, and nothing more.

RF certainly had some dedicated trolls. There *were* diapers full of something which looked like shit thrown on hoods of cars in the garage (and yes, as far as I've been told, they were Depends, something that indeed AB people don't typically use), and I think this was out of a belief that RF was a con geared toward diaper-furs (it really wasn't). After the hotel kicked the con out, other hotels in the Stare got anonymous phone calls alleging a long list of made-up offenses, until no other hotel would rent to RF.

On that note, several years before, I saw a manager hanging around, and asked what the hotel thought of the con. I'd heard rumors that they hated RF. The manager said, no, so far (this was circa 2013) RF had been good. He said there were MUCH worse cons. He said specifically, when a con is coming, hote;s contact the insurance company, who says "send us an itemized list of what was damaged." But when Fraternal Orders such as the Shriners or Elks book, they call the insurance company, drop a figure, and insurance grants it. At his former job at the nearby Doubletree, at a Shriners convention, they took a motorcycle to the top floor in one of the elevators around 2 AM, kicked in a room door at each end, and drove it up and down the hall, using the rooms to turn around. He said, with those cons, gross damage is normal.

The con had a damage clause in the contract. Something like $10,000 (I forget the exact amount) could be done per year and be considered acceptable. For various reasons, the hotel abrogated the 2016 contract, claiming that the damage done in 2015 (which was less than half that allowed by the contract) was actually over the allowed limit. The hotel claimed they were soured on, and would no longer allow, any kind of fan-cons.

Damage is normal for cons. At NorwesCon, the long-running scifi/fantasy con at the Doubletree, things get broken, signs vanish, elevators break down, every year. But staff is on-point, everyone knows everyone, and it gets accepted as an inherent element to a big convention.

As for drugs, yes, it happens at every con. But one year, I think around 2014 or so, there was a BIG drug incident-- a guy was high on a whole cocktail of drugs including LSD and shrooms (plus a lot of alcohol). I saw in sitting on the floor in a party, looking gone, and being watched. Apparently, he hopped up and ran, stripped, hopped the pool area fence (no mean feat considering the height and the fact that it presented no footholds), jumped in the pool, then grabbed a swimmer and began trying to put his thumbs in their eyes. It took three people to haul him out (I was there for that). I've been told that, in his trip, he believed he was on fire. That was a perma-ban.

If I had to guess who was trolling the con, it may or may not have been an attendee, but for reasons unknown, staff had been letting Sibe attend. I suspect he, and maybe some of his buddies, were involved. For the short time Sibe lived in the area when he skipped his Oregon probation several years ago, he took over a local furmeet and had a little posse of like-minded buddies.

I, too, can probably answer some questions.


 No.39186>>39188 >>39225

>>39066

I was trying not to name anyone specific Like Gene or Sibe in my explanations of the events I viewed(I also have the pins for the con as well if we need to verify) I started whatever year the Zombie theme for the con was.

I do know a bit about the 2014 incident I can shed some more light Since I knew the guy at the center of it all. since it also involved my significant other at the time(either she also was injured by him pulling shit, or WAS the person who he tried to poke their eyes out of) you might be able to help me in some understanding of what happened to that incident.

This is all word of mouth from my Girlfriend at the time who both of us were friends with Ziggy(the name of the man who performed all of these events.) Ziggy was rooming with a bunch of furs from Canada. Ziggy was given the LSD and Shrooms at different times, Shrooms given to him in a sandwich of all things. After he stripped naked he tried to Kool-Aid man through the wrought iron fence around the pool and then after failing he jumped the fence.

Its at this point our stories differ, my Ex claims he punched her before throwing a table into the pool and then jumped in. If she was boasting and making herself apart of the incident its not out of her M.O.

I remember having a conversation with Gene at When Furballs Strike after the 2015 con about the whole fuckery, all he had was concepts and ideas he wanted to try for 2016. Like having the Marriott be where the NSFW gallery, and all the adult stuff like the dealer's den for adult art(like if Kadath did all of the Puzzle art over there and Bad Dragon) to make it a more unique con than before.

The newest(and I'm using that term loosely) information I found out from a con staffed guy was there was a hotel room full of drug paraphernalia that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

The big problem all of this has to do with ultimately is that RainFurrest staff were quiet and though not saying anything was FINE. This led to all the rumors perpetuating. If they came out and issued a statement from the fucking get go none of this would be needed, internet historian wouldn't have made a video that had errors in it and everyone would have probably gave RF staff the benefit of the doubt. Personally I feel if they were open that they fucked up(if you read the open letter attendees they released you know they placed blame for things on everyone BUT them.) and vowed to fix shit and work at it from the get go none of this infamy would have come about. Hell, none of the issues become rumors and taken as true(like the glory hole in the restroom one)

for those of you still giving a shit besides us who went to the shit show, here is a link to a copy of the Letter to Attendees:

https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/3nm404/rainfurrest_a_letter_to_our_attendees/

Yeah I know its reddit, I dont give a fuck since RF seemingly deleted it and I cannot be assed to find it otherwise.

another good reading, the blog post from the "2016 chair" of RF that quit:

http://orrery.prismaticmedia.com/2016/02/20/rainfurrest-2016-post-mortem/

Ill try to post a pic of the Button from that year too since it was mentioned. if it was your home-con, what area are you from? I pretty much just outed who I was to anyone who knows the area based on the names and who was involved in the 2014 drug incident. but don't want to give more information out for obvious reasons.


 No.39188

>>39186

>I started whatever year the Zombie theme for the con was

That was 2009.


 No.39189>>39225

Give it time- eventually a prominent furry artist will get busted in a Chris Hansen sting house, or Nancy Grace catches wind of Zaush being a sexual predator(backed by actual facts) and the whole of the furry fandom gets torn apart overnight.

I will love it. Pedophiles arrested left and right, the dogfucker rape-enabler pedophile fandom vanishes, nothing of value will be lost. 99% of furries are into rape, bestiality and underage sex, you deserve to be outed.


 No.39225

>>39186

> After he stripped naked he tried to Kool-Aid man through the wrought iron fence

Yeah, we all heard the BANGBANGBANG as he yanked on it repeatedly.

>my Ex claims he punched her before throwing a table into the pool and then jumped in. If she was boasting and making herself apart of the incident its not out of her M.O.

Nobody got punched in the pool area, and nothing got thrown in besides a naked dude who was tripping balls. Other rumors floating around the next day included "he jumped off the roof" and "he was actually on fire." I was told by a staff member who claimed that he saw the report from the hospital, though this may easily be BS, that said person was on seven things, including alcohol. All I know about for certain were shrooms, LSD, and way too fucking much booze.

>The big problem all of this has to do with ultimately is that RainFurrest staff were quiet

RF staff were a big part of the various problems for a number of reasons. The biggest was being too soft on problem people, but other key points were not making statements about problems, and shifting blame. I still think a lot of staff signed on year after year thinking it was an easy job that gave bragging rights, and they weren't good at handling problems in part because the volunteers didn't do a good job training the volunteers.

Some people I know felt as though staff dressing in the National Park Ranger-type outfits made more than a few of them get a bit too self-important and stuffy. There was also a (I think silly) rule that none of the staff patches or other staff swag was to be traded or sold, and supposedly the con staff watched FurBuy and FurBid and got sales of such things cancelled. I still managed to get hold of an item only staff got (the challenge coin).

I'll mention Gene by name (because I don't think he was a problem per se) and I'll mention Sibe by name (because fuck you, Sibe. I've met the guy, and I give him zero respect). That's it.

In short, RF flopped because staff fucked up in several ways, the hotel got tight-assed, and yes, there seemed to be a handful of people dedicated to making sure the hotel hated the con. These same people, as said before, called any other hotels (including some in Spokane) RF people were talking to and said, "Did you know RainFurrest also did (list of mostly, but not completely, untrue nasty things)?" I would be completely unsurprised if Sibe was involved, but it could easily have been someone else. It's just, that's exactly the sort of thing that turns Sibe's crank.

I sincerely hope some people get another Seattle-area fur con together, and I hope they see RF's mistakes and learn from them. They might do well to talk to people who run cons like FC and AC, and maybe even non-furry Seattle cons like Norwes.

>>39189

You're shitty at this whole trolling thing, you know that?




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