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>>21630 (OP)

How many of you even saw the movie? Be honest here, it's a pretty shitty Judy thread if all you do is talk about her body.

>>21751

We're talking about the aspects of her that were least shown in the film anon.

What are we supposed to talk about her motivations, personality or lifestyle? Those were all well covered in the movie.

The only aspect to discuss is her body.

Well that and theoretically where they'll take her in the next film.

Personally I'm hoping they can capture lightning in a bottle twice (unlikely) and focus the narrative around the roll of the media focus on 'scandal' fucking up race relations.

If that's the case I could see them using her as a kind of representing an innocent trust of the media considering how 'these are the facts' she is without much objective thought. Which might open up some interesting interactions with Nick if he's a skeptic that points things out like how she herself was asked leading questions by reporters.

>>21753

that would be awesome. i personally wish the first one had reptiles and birds, but i don't think they'll be able to put them into the second one because this would raise a lot of questions about why we didn't see any before.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there were future films set in the same universe but with a totally different set of characters.

>>21751

I saw it. Quite liked it, but that's mainly because I love buddy cop films, and qt flat short gals with amazing hips.

Judy's personality kind of was one of those abrasive ones for me, though.

She's far too hyperactive, ambitions, and one of these days she's going to crash, hard.

Ambition is fine, in moderation. You don't dream of conquering the mountain in a day, as she seems to aim to.

>>21765

i agree. i wish nick had been the main protagonist instead.

>>21769

Eh, I had issues for him as well, to be fair. I just wanted her to relax a bit. Their relation was pretty okay otherwise, though.

Nick alone would've been a bit shit.

I think I'd've liked the lot best if it were after they both were cops. Both of their issues grind down a fair deal at that point. Judy becomes a bit more chill, Nick stops being an asshole 24/7

>>21776

>I'm not gay

>Nick is good looking

you are playing with fire, turn to god whilst you still have a chance

>>21641

seriously. who is the artist here?

Should a police rabbit be stronk or thicc?

>>21669

Who drew the last one? Robert Crumb?

>>30357

No clue.

>>30356

Stronk, it'll actually help with the job, unless the plan is to seduce criminals into submission.

Not that I would be against seducing criminals.

>>30380

Nah, I hear ya. I'm much more interested in King size rather than fun size.

>females

who cut yours off, you two-holed freak?

>>30380

My problem is with the weather balloon-sized head.

>>30434

Todd is another name for fox. Todd fox.

>>30440

That is some obscure shit I just had to go research. Middle english, what the fuck.

>>30743

>tfw Todd seems to be a guy who genuinely cares about games, and loves making them, caught up in the wrong crowd forced to fulfil corporate expectations

>>30380

autism

I love this movie and yes, Judy is friggin hot - but holy shit am I sick of the generic porn and how out of character Nick is all the time.

>>41818

I dunno if it's a last minute confession or if they agree on platonically not getting enough of each other but FUCK they should have kept faaar away from that mention.

Nick is a jerk and should be shown as a jerk, that makes him interesting (because it's very un-Disney). And Judy is work-obsessed.

I can't stand when Moeta and other show them as a pussy romantic couple.

>>30401

>The Weaver

GTFO

>>41830

What's wrong with weaver?

>>41818

What made Judy a self righteous twat and what made Nick a deplorable asshole?

>>41818

>Nick is a deplorable asshole and judy is a self righteous twat and then never stop being deplorable asshole and self righteous twat

Did we watch the same movie?

>>41932

I liked it on account of being a sucker for buddy-cop films, and always liking the 'YOU CAN DO ANYTHING FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS IN SPITE OF THE CHALLENGES' shit.

I mean, she did beat the police tests to prove herself.

Only thing I disliked is how uppity she was about parking duty.

Every rookie starts at parking duty.

>>41932

GT THE WALLAROO!

>>41932

Good post. I liked the movie overall for its technical execution and character design. However, I didn't like how story-wise it was a police recruitment propaganda tool aimed especially at girls.

The plot had its good parts and twists (the coverup effort by the Lion mayor and wolves) but I think that the (shrew?) Godfather & Daughter was a cheap and obvious "deus ex machina" element.

>>42120

Hey! GT THE WALLAROO!

>>42120

It's probably because you're on 8chan. Especially since it's widely believed the movie had a bit of a left-wing agenda. I've certainly seen more hate for the lot, than support, personally.

Going to be quite honest with you: That original plot always sounded like utter cancer to me. Even more of an agenda-pusher than people already claim the first was. It's also a little dark, I feel, for a kids movie, but that's not really something of a major complaint.

I'm not sure it'd be a bad movie, in any case. Depends entirely how they execute it. Might not be my speed, though.

>>42124

What's with this running cancer?

>>42142

I like it when Japanese artists drawn Western characters. It's interesting to notice the ways they suppress their native anime style and interpret the Western cartoon style through a Japanese viewpoint.

>>30743

no todd I already have 7 copies of skyrim go away or I'm calling the cops

>>42166

Did we watch the same movie? As I recall Judy passed her exams by her own merit and arrested herbivore conspirators who were trying to take over by making preds insane. This has nothing to do with whatever you're talking about. Take your meds.

>>42164

Naw bro, Judy just blackmails you into helping her solve crimes she's not actually a part of, and uses you as an excuse to trespass.

>>42167

>Judy is a visible minority (woman, herbivore) in a male dominated field

>she actually cant do her job properly so she gets relegated to bitchwork instead of dragging down the standards

>muh diversity

>muh equal opportunity

>implying the "conspirators" werent (((conspirators)))

>>42188

Ok, you're insane. Don't ever talk to me again.

>>42167

I'm convinced people who say shit like that didn't watch the movie at all and only work off their expectations. That's what I thought the movie would be like, but it deliberately showcases the contrary right at the start.

Here we go again

>>42188

>she actually cant do her job properly so she gets relegated to bitchwork instead of dragging down the standards

Again, the standard never lowered. The test was the same for her as it was for everyone else. She had to work to her own strengths and be creative to meet the bar and she did. That's exactly the kind of thing kids should be taught and is what actual "muh diversity" faggots tell you to piss of for enforcing.

They didn't give her a chance to do her job after acing the standard test and put her right on meter maid duty (maybe that's how it's supposed to be for newfags to the force? I don't know, but either way the reason they gave is that the sargent had no confidence in her and never intended to give her a shot).

This is one of the major lessons of the movie; Work hard and try your best, working to your strengths to achieve your goals.

One of the others is that you cannot do everything, but you should try lots of things and do your best.

Seriously, of all the arguments that can be made this is the most embarrassing.

Only thing in Zootopia that rustled my jimmies was when Judy made the rhino punch himself.

>>42125

>left-wing agenda

>literally copaganda

lmao

>>42142

also this is hot

>>42215

>No she fucking didn't you idiot.

Yes she did.

A 2 lb bunny hurled against a 300 lb rhino arm isn't gonna make it move an inch, let alone rebound into his face with enough force to knock him out. What does that change? Absolutely nothing.

I can only suspend my disbelief so much.

Also

>lel all u big male phaggets, I jump over your heads lol who needs any of you

It doesn't need to be explicit to contain political vibes.

>only other preys are allowed to call other preys cute

Seriously, nigger?

Kids won't understand. Adults will interpret it as SJW pandering, in either positive or negative light, according to their own views. Then you have the indifferent like you who go "oh you see politics in everything, how boring".

Also, once it's made clear that there was an attempt at a not-so-subtle political statement, anything else that might have slipped by beforehand as innocent movie trope is now suspicious.

In Zootopia they drew too many parallels with real world politics to just assume everyone would ignore them.

Earlier Pixar movies did not have this kind of forced injected shit.

Hell, you don't even need to go that far back, Cars did not have any political bullshit in it and it was basically a copy of the real world with sentient cars instead of humans.

>>42200

We never see birds or fish.

Either of them could be a food source. My money's on chickens.

>>42219

It doesn't take all that much force to simply redirect momentum.

>>42219

>they made too many real world parallels

I always thought that the premise they where going for was naturally going to draw the attention of political fuckwits on principle of having anything dealing with discrimination. How well it handles it is up for debate but I honestly don't see how they would handle such a topic without everyone nitpicking every aspect of it and slapping real world baggage to it claiming some poltical agenda behind it. I mean the other script they had while admittedly better and had more emotionally gut punch potential they probably didn't even go for it because fuckwits would actively start projecting like a motherfucker all over it.

Don't even go for old examples because they inherently don't have any kind of political projection material needed for constant flipping out about.

>Yes she did

I just watched that scene she did not high kick anyone she used her momentum using the weight of his arm against him. Not only is this a cartoon, but it really doesn't take much to redirect a fist with the right application of force and momentum. Plus it's cool as hell why do you harp on such an aspect and then on top of that projecting some political agenda to it. Just like I predicted.

>>42235

>getting this assblasted over a cartoon

I'm amazed you haven't mentioned the ancient worldwide jewish conspiracy yet.

>>21630 (OP)

Which R-rated buddy cop move would be a good cross over for Zootopia? I'm thinking that it would be Die Hard 3.

>>42249

I find it extremely weird that they have a repellent SPECIFICALLY for foxes. Does it only work on true foxes, or also species of other genii that are merely morphologically similar to vulpes? What about other canids? Would it be totally ineffective against, like, a tiger or some shit? What if she got mugged by a bear?

It would be like carrying around mace for your protection, but it only works on people that were born in Mexico. I get that foxes are portrayed as being really shady, but surely they recognize that OTHER predators might also be dangerous. Judy has a specific fear of foxes because of Gideon, but why would her parents zero in on them, too?

And while we're at it, just why would a family of foxes settle in a town called BUNNYburrow in the first place??

>>42263

Market segmentation. This repellent is just intense enough to be effective against preds about the size of a fox, so it's sold to rabbits as a fox repellent because rabbits distrust them.

>>42307

>because rabbits distrust them

But why though?

>>42320

Because racism allegory.

>>42322

That only works if foxes were the only predators. It would be like being particularly racist against and fearful of black people from Uganda, but being mostly okay with the rest of them. There's no logic to support this and keep this stupid "allegory/agenda" bullshit.

>>42200

I like to think humans never evolved past primitive apes, so the predators have huge human farms where they slaughter humans by the millions to feed the preds.

>>42263

>And while we're at it, just why would a family of foxes settle in a town called BUNNYburrow in the first place??

Revisiting this, I found myself wondering why Gideon hates rabbits so much. Oh sure, he's just a bully stereotype and picks on the weak, blah blah blah, but his maligning Judy as being a rabbit, destined to be a carrot farmer, just seems too convenient. It's too specific. Why are carrot farmers the worst insult he can imagine?

It's pretty well-known that Zootopia is meant to represent New York, with the surrounding areas being various parts of New England. In reality, there isn't a such thing as Bunnyburrow, but there is a such thing as FOXborough. Now things suddenly get interesting. What if Gideon's family, and all the other predators, had lived in Foxborough for hundreds of years, and then suddenly some bunny immigrants come along. Because prey animals are over-represented in lawmaking, it was a snap to put together some unfair subsidies to get them cheap land to build their carrot farms. Over only a few generations, the predator population starts getting crowded out because the bunnies do what allegorical migrants do: they have huge families with dozens of children, compared to only a few children for the native families. They start taking all the available jobs in town, too.

So most of the predators start to leave the area for a place better suited to their own kind, but some families (like Gideon's) are too poor to do so. Eventually, there are only a handful of families of predators, surrounded by literally MILLIONS of bunnies. The ultimate insult comes when the rabbits petition to have the name of the town changed from Foxborough to Bunnyburrow, and the request is granted because nobody gives a shit about predators. It's like when old white folks complain about signs being in Spanish, but a hundred times worse. Gideon would have grown up hearing from his father and grandfather about how those damn carrot-farming bunnies destroyed their town and chased out their friends. Because of this, to him, becoming a carrot farmer isn't just accepting a lowly job, it's becoming something EVIL.

Gideon's parents are never shown in the movie. It's made a big deal that Judy's parents are willing to set aside their fear and distrust of foxes to work with him, but it's never explored how it affected his life and how he was able to put aside his own feelings to do this. Maybe his family ostracized him for daring to work with those damn migrant farmers that took their jobs and their town. We never see any of the other predator kids (like Travis) around, either. Maybe he's THE ONLY PREDATOR LEFT. That's just the price you have to pay to make really, really good pies, I guess.

>>42398

Maybe the secret ingredient in his pies is rabbit.

>>42263

>And while we're at it, just why would a family of foxes settle in a town called BUNNYburrow in the first place??

Why would people who aren't angels live in Los Angeles? Checkmate atheists.

the whole predator/pray thing a metaphor for how the strong and powerful races (africans, aryans) are being suppressed, controlled and domesticated by physically weaker races (asians, skypes) through deception

>>55311

If they were truly powerful in the first place they wouldn't have been controlled in the first place. Checkmate! Who's the superior specie now, faggot? Herbivores.

>>55314

note how I used the words "powerful" and "strong", and not "superior" to describe them, you're twisting my words like you're some sort of fucking jew

Guys... I love this movie. But I'm so sick of the porn. So sick. And it's always the same unimaginative shit.

>>55328

When it's not, it's stupid.

>>55328

sometimes I'm more impressed with the autism put into work like this.

>>55317

So you admit carnivores are inferior, you pleb? About time, too.

>>55328

Fetishes only work as an enhancement to sex, not a replacement for it. Breathplay while you're actually having sex with someone? It's awesome. Breathplay as literally the only thing going on, and she's wrapped in latex and we never even get a crotch-shot? Fucking boring. The furry who focuses on the fetish to the exclusion of any actual sexual content is only proving you can Pavlovian Condition them as easily as a dog.

>>55350

It will get a sequel, surely. The franchise opportunity is ripe for exploiting for gobs more cash and placing it in the Disney exec's pockets. But there really isn't much they could do. The story, self-contained in the movie, was a good one, but by the end all problems were solved. Now, all we'd get is buddy-cop Nick and Judy solving some big case; it would be boring as shit and worse: a pointless story not worth telling. The only way they could make something that isn't going to be "the 3/10 straight-to-DVD Disney sequel" is by going back to the original "shock-collar" premise (or some other one) and expounding upon it. Essentially, just creating an entire alternate universe with the same characters, and a story to go along with it.

The thing is, most people can't see is when a story is over, and truly over. Even if all the plot threads are largely wrapped up, it can still continue if the main arc isn't completed. This is why the Toy Story sequels worked so well: because the whole character arc wasn't over, and wasn't going to BE over, until the "coming of age" by Andy was finished. That is, when he grew up and left (the) toys behind. That was the thread that held the entire series together, not whatever silly little adventures the toy characters got into --- that was just metaphor.

But Zootopia? There's nothing left to tell. Nick and Judy's character arcs have been fulfilled, and there is no larger thread beyond them besides the predator/prey dynamic, which was symbolically also fulfilled through them. Oh sure, there are some other characters and other places on the city map that haven't been explored, but that's just flavor to enhance the realness of the worldbuilding. Expounding upon each and every little thing would spoil it. People prefer to be hinted at something and then have it left a mystery.

>>55356

>Fetishes only work as an enhancement to sex, not a replacement for it.

If you're going to do the former, it's going to reinforce the latter. You think the way a fetish writes its way into your brain cares about the manner in which you go about doing it? Of course it doesn't.

By willingly engaging in fetishes 'during sex' you are inflicting future 'need it to get off' fetishes upon yourself through the very same Pavlovian conditioning you think you understand.

>>55356

Pavlovian conditioning is my fetish

>>55384

Pavlov... huh, that name rings a bell.

>>55365

This only applies to using fetishes during masturbation, not actual sex. Because masturbation IS all fantasy, to begin with. A man with a shoe fetish will sniff the boot of a woman and then fuck her; he's not going to go run off with her boot and fuck IT to the exclusion of her.

I know that might be difficult to understand if you've never actually had sex.

>>21780

>>30383

>>55350

source?

Did anyone else not find the film that interesting?

I mean, it wasn't a bad film, just not one I've much interest in revisiting. The world of the film was interesting, but I probably got more out of the artbook than the film itself.

Incidentally, is there a PDF of the official handbook yet? Can't find one on Libgen but it seems unreasonable that it should have such consistent popularity yet not have the additional material available to pirate.

>>58308

I'd say most didn't. Others I've talked to generally can't remember what happened throughout the movie save for the most important details.

The plot was pretty generic and forgettable.

>>21630 (OP)

I've become so sick about Zootopia. I still love the movie but the fandom? Like /pone/. Art goes downhill, the 3D porn animations don't improve, handling unused (and terrible) concepts like canon because tumblr is so hooked on some way too forced message...

Judy's ass is still amazing tho.

>>58387

>The plot was pretty generic and forgettable.

Yeah, movies like Minions and Trolls or the Emoji Movie were way more awesome right?!

>>58391

Because I totally said that.

How about instead of being a disingenuous little cunt you actually try to participate in the discussion?

I don't really get why so many people love this movie. Nothing about the characters appeals to my desire to satisfy my sexual appetite, at least no more than any other pornography would with any other character. The movie seemed predictable and simplistic with nothing deeper to be gained from repeated watches. I guess the animation and environments were visually stimulating but what big budget movie isn't these days?

It's not bad but I don't think it warrants an obsession.

>>58411

>I guess the animation and environments were visually stimulating

Yeah, this is about how I felt about it, too. I'm more impressed by the animation than anything else. The story was entertaining, and good by Disney standards at least (who hasn't really pushed the envelope since Hunchback), but the problem was that I just couldn't be bothered to give much of a shit about the main characters. Their issues were so clean-cut and simple compared to what seemed to be the motivations for many minor characters.

The scale of the Zootopia world is massive, but despite the plot itself, the two MCs we're stuck with just seem so unimportant and uninteresting. It was as if we'd been set up with the entirety of Middle Earth from Lord of The Rings, and then it's used to tell us a story about a couple of gardeners in Minas Tirith who have a serious problem weeding the kingsfoil. You're left with a "that's it?" feeling, especially because nothing was actually solved. Judy got over her fantastic racism for foxes, Nick got over his self-loathing, and both came to realize they are Not So Different After All, but the predators and prey of the world aren't suddenly going to hold hands and let this shit go. They prevented a disaster, sure, but that's not an accomplishment; that's a reversion to the status-quo. They didn't FIX Zootopia, they just kept it from falling over. Instead of cooking a grand meal for Thanksgiving, they prevented the oven from catching fire. Big fucking deal.

That's one of the reasons I liked the "pilot" with the shock collars. Not (just) because it was darker and edgier, not just because it would have made the MCs more interesting, but because that would have been resolved by the end of the movie. The only logical conclusion of that plot is that all the predators get to permanently lose their shock collars and become accepted citizens of Zootopia. Something would have CHANGED! for fuck's sake; something would have been improved for the world by the actions of the protagonists.

It also would have had Finnick in a nurse's outfit, and I will NOT forgive Disney for depriving me of this!

>>58419

I never really watched many Disney movies, I've seen the popular ones and with regards to the more recent films Zootopia is by far above average, but doesn't surpass the movies produced from the late 90's to the mid-2000's, like Toy Story, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, etc. I'm not quite sure why I find these to be more suited to my tastes, I don't think it's just because I saw them as a kid and teenager, perhaps the characters were a little more nuanced and their problems more easily relatable? I do agree, I did not care much for Judy and Nick. I felt they were serviceable but I could not become emotionally invested with them, aside from Nick which had more of an interesting character arc as opposed to Judy's more simplistic conflict and obvious resolution.

I also agree with your interpretation of the move but I would also like to add my own reading of the movie. Zootopia obvious thematic element is that people are not the sum of their genetic makeup or their species but can overcome their natural dispositions they are born into. Yet it also acknowledges that all the different species have clearly defined divisions and some are clearly more suited to their own spheres than interloping into others spheres more suited for different species. The movie seems to blithely disregard this disconcerting assertion. For example the main antagonism of the predatory versus the prey, Zootopia doesn't disprove the inherent difference of them and that there is certainly a power dynamic that is unequal, or with regard to the smaller animals to the bigger. This is manifest in the fact that the natural order seems to have the larger predatory creatures in positions of political power and inside the enforcement of the state's power. When the lamb, I forget her name, transgresses this natural order she is punished and in the end the natural order reasserts itself. In many ways I think that Zootopia betrays its superficial thematic message with an underlying message of inherent genetic differences that dominate society and destroying these barriers proves the rule. The animal world, and perhaps the human world, is dominated by a natural order of species. Though, I will admit I only saw it once when it was new so maybe I am only remembering what most stuck out in my brain and have forgotten textual evidence to the contrary, so my interpretation may be flawed.

I would of much preferred if the movie tackled these troubling assertions but I imagine that it would of made the movie less suitable toward young children so it was scrapped in favor of what we have currently. It's said that children do respond well to clearly defined roles for people, which is why a lot of children's TV programming tends to have sub-textual authoritarian elements.

>It also would have had Finnick in a nurse's outfit

Have a thing for nurses, anon?

>>58395

I'd prefer more art and pics instead of those stupid discussions, that's not productive at all.

It's just one edgelord who think the movie sucks vs HOLY SHIT Judy is my waifu obssessive fanboys and tumblrettes.

Instead of... you know... people just starting to draw porn of it right here.

>>58442

Looks like it's more than that to me.

No reason to be a cunt and post retarded shit like >>58391 because others want to have a conversation.

>>58428

I do feel that an allegory for racism is completely lost when you're actually using separate species. They did make concessions here and there, though with regard to the predator/prey situation, such as the Chief of Police being a prey animal and the rest of the squad being mixed.

The thing about Judy wasn't because she was prey, but because she was freaking tiny. This was the part where the movie kind of missed its mark a little bit. Judy wasn't being discriminated against for being a rabbit (or a woman), but because of her size. It's not bigotry to disallow a midget to join the Navy SEALS; they just wouldn't be able to fit in the gear and "pull their weight". Except it's even worse here. Humans worry about police officers needing to take down drugged-up criminals who might outweigh them by a factor of two. But there are animals in Zootopia that may outweigh Judy by a factor of A THOUSAND. Thinking she won't make a good field officer isn't racism; it's common sense!

What would have worked better is if Judy had been a large prey animal, and all the police large predator animals. What happened in the actual movie was that they tried to mix their feminist message (despite being smaller, a rabbit can be on the police) with their racism message (despite being stereotypically more prone to violence, predators aren't so bad) which didn't work because the predators were disenfranchised to begin with.

>Have a thing for nurses, anon?

Not at all. I have a thing for small and cute men dressed in cute shit, especially if they don't particularly like it.

>>55328

I'm literally disappointed in myself for having seen that before.

>>67761

Literally a jewish caricature

>>67777

Good quads with the semon demon.

>>58457

Not to mention that rabbits are famously fragile creatures.