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▶Film Club #12 - Ida (Pawel Pawlikowski, 2013) inconnu ## Board Owner 02/10/15 (Tue) 22:51:05 No.3185 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

As we continue this month to feature standout films of the past couple of years, here is Poland's submission to the upcoming Academy Awards.

> Pawlikowski has a photographer’s eye for composition, and every crisp, monochrome frame could be a postcard from Poland’s tragic, turbulent past. ~~ David Hughes, Empire Magazine

> Shot in black-and-white in the old-fashioned Academy screen ratio, with little background music and less camera movement, it's a ghostly film in more ways than one, a throwback to a largely defunct tradition of art cinema, and a story in which the characters in turn are haunted by history, personal and collective. ~~ Jake Wilson, Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2718492/reference

http://cinema-scope.com/spotlight/ida-pawel-pawlikowski-polanddenmark/

To make suggestions for the next Film Club, please visit this thread! >>3000

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Post last edited at 02/13/15 (Fri) 05:06:48

▶inconnu 02/10/15 (Tue) 22:52:21 No.3186

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▶inconnu 02/11/15 (Wed) 09:28:39 No.3196>>3212

i'm guessing every review of this film mentions the b&w cinematography.
but was it actually shot in b&w or shot in colour, as is the common practice nowadays?

does anyone know how to find out which newer b&w films were actually shot in b&w?

▶inconnu 02/12/15 (Thu) 09:42:53 No.3211

I liked this even though I can agree with some criticisms I've seen

▶inconnu 02/12/15 (Thu) 18:04:14 No.3212>>3221

>>3196
https://shotonwhat.com/ maybe?

▶inconnu 02/13/15 (Fri) 02:44:21 No.3221

>>3212
excellent, that's a pretty useful site.

so even thought it mimics a style of classic arthouse films, Ida was shot digitally with this camera

http://www.arri.com/camera/alexa/cameras/camera_details/alexa-plus/

I'm still not sure if I can figure out the answer to my other question about shooting these b&w movies in colour first. I only wonder because I heard about this independent film, supposedly the last production to use Kodak black and white film stock before it was discontinued.

https://shotonwhat.com/the-ghastly-love-of-johnny-x-2012.html

▶inconnu 02/16/15 (Mon) 23:52:48 No.3317>>3321

Just finished this. It looked great, maybe even a little too great (beautiful vs necessary), but it was missing something.

▶inconnu 02/17/15 (Tue) 06:22:20 No.3321>>3324

>>3317
I felt the same way about 2/3 through. This … is it?

It was good to watch despite it's flaws I think. I don't agree with Richard Brody who really tore into Ida in The New Yorker. He even claimed there was an implication that Ida's family deserved to die, but I never got that feeling.

▶inconnu 02/17/15 (Tue) 18:36:41 No.3324>>3326

>>3321
Just read that Brody review, quite bad. He seems to be most at odds with the fact that a Jew could be portrayed as a commie murderer in a film that engages with WWII aftermath. I think he's right that the portrayal is there but he's wrong that it's inherently bad or cheap.

It is pretty interesting to think about in the context of possible subconscious nationalistic, even fascist, sympathies beginning to form. I think it's less about 'deserved to die' and more about 'no one can be blamed for their death'. The buck gets passed from the dying father to his son but even the son seemed to have done his best to keep Ida alive. Wanda hardly has the right to criticize anyone because she was actually killing for ideological reasons.

I cannot 100% put my finger on what it was missing. I guess I don't think it was enough for the film to have a 'cold' 'beautiful' aesthetic.

▶inconnu 02/17/15 (Tue) 22:35:12 No.3326>>3329

>>3324
I guess that's what he meant.

"Pawlikowski also insinuates that the victims were no angels, either, and that maybe some of them have something to atone for as well."

I only saw the family as victims – not the aunt – so I saw no reason that victims needed atonement. But since he's speaking from a collectivist view of the situation, I'll grant that saying "deserved to die" put words in his mouth.

Anyway this reminded me a lot of Ashes and Diamonds, for the striking cinematography, the hotel, the sex scene, and for the "evenhanded" portrayal of the competing factions in postwar Poland.

▶inconnu 02/17/15 (Tue) 23:27:26 No.3329>>3339

>>3326
Definitely similar to Ashes and Diamonds but Ashes and Diamonds is better.

The guy bursting into flames after being shot, the flames on top of the shots representing their dead allies, revisiting the two dead bodies in the church, the fireworks, and the blood on the sheets at the end. Ashes and Diamonds has two stories going on, Ida is much simpler; I think visual continuity, like the flames in Ashes and Diamonds, would have given more of a reason to care about the shots. But it would have made it a very different movie.

▶inconnu 02/18/15 (Wed) 01:02:13 No.3333>>3334

dl Ida. Hopefully I will be able to stream it the next couple of days. I will post here 24hs beforehand.

Speaking of /tv/, is the same cancer as the one on halfchan? I was on there for many years until I get fed up with the shitty threads and /bane/.

▶inconnu 02/18/15 (Wed) 05:04:00 No.3334

>>3333
It's not bad here, not that much shitposting. I don't watch too much TV tho.

4chan /tv/ was breddy good a few years ago. It really sucks now, even though it's still a little faster over there. I've tried to get remaining patricians to come to 8chan… they're kind of stubborn.

▶inconnu 02/18/15 (Wed) 22:24:58 No.3339>>3409

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>>3329

> Ashes and Diamonds is better

Definitely better in many ways.

As for recurring ideas, I expected the painting motif to be used more. One of the first shots is Ida painting the statue, then we hear that her mother loved to paint. But after Ida sees the barn window, it never comes back.

▶inconnu 02/22/15 (Sun) 00:25:56 No.3409

>>3339
Barn window scene was one of the ones that stood out. The locations were great.

▶inconnu 02/23/15 (Mon) 06:22:22 No.3429>>3438

unbelievable, this is now an Oscar winning film
Leviathan wuz robbed

▶inconnu 02/23/15 (Mon) 21:39:45 No.3438>>3468

>>3429
>an Oscar winning film
does that mean much to you?

▶inconnu 02/25/15 (Wed) 05:00:16 No.3468

>>3438
not too much, but i think directors have an easier time getting funding future projects after winning an oscar.
i don't care for the ceremony but i do like it when my favorite people are recognized (like ennio morricone)
anyway i just heard pawlikowski's speech where he blatantly ignored the prompt to leave the stage, so maybe he's not such a bad guy after all…

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