No.999760
Why are live-action superhero shows and movies so adverse to full-on costumes?
No.999770
Money and practicality. Most productions can't afford to splurge on designing costumes that will either be worn for a few key scenes or replaced entirely by CGI.
No.999807
These stars are expensive but also part of the reason why people see these movies so you gotta show their faces as much as possible.
No.999810
>>999807
Yeah, and that is why shows about characters with armors have everything except a decent helmet.
No.999852
>>999807
It's ridiculous they do that. Kids want the characters in costume. Not the actors under the mask. They don't care about them. Trying to sell the movie with the actors faces isn't doing them any favors. People go to see the cool superhero action.
No.999858
>>999852
I'm convinced it's less for the audiences and more for the actors egos. I genuinely wouldn't put it past someone like RDJ to have that big of an ego to request onscreen face time.
No.999864
>>999858
That sounds a lot more likely.
No.999871
What? You don't like "realism"?
No.999872
>>999858
I think I've heard something to this effect before, apparently a lot of actors don't take roles without a guarantee of some minimum amount of on-screen face time. Part of the reason I respect Karl Urban for Dredd so much.
No.999874
>>999858
>actors egos
Pretty much. It is was absolutely ridiculous with Garfield's Spider-Man, where he spent almost as much time in costume with mask on and off. It is excusable in case of Black Panther and Stark, since they are both public figures, but it makes no sense for character like Spider-Man.
As much as I dislike Nolan's Batman, at least in his films Batman only takes off the mask in the bat cave or in Wayne manor.
>>999872
Most actors are extremely vain faggots. Deciding on which name is were on the movie poster, or the name order in the credits both take weeks or months of negotiations.
> Part of the reason I respect Karl Urban for Dredd so much.
Same with Reynolds. He might be an obnoxious faggot, but at least he spends most of Deadpool films wearing the mask. And when he isn't he is wearing cancer-face makeup instead.
No.999879
>>999874
Does Holland's Spiderman suffer from this too?
Should I watch any of the marvel movies post Winter Soldier?
No.999918
>>999807
I don't mind the in helmet shot of Iron Man. It largely keeps him in full armor and still gives the actor screen time. It's a smart compromise.
However, stuff like Cap always taking off his mask, Spidey loosing or damaging his mask, even something like the refusal to have Thor keep his helmet all screams actor egos or dumb producers thinking people won't take it seriously enough.
No.999920
>>999879
Not really. Two out of three times he takes mask without making sure it is safe to do so, he ends up busted. His mask is also off when Parker talks with Stark, but both times it happens is in secluded areas.
>Should I watch any of the marvel movies post Winter Soldier?
Absolutely not if you are going to spend money on them. They are all mediocre, and Homecoming is probably the best one of the bunch. Mainly thanks to Keaton as Vulture, who manages to make up for a lot of other bullshit it.
No.999942
>>999879
I thought Guardians of the Galaxy was brilliant. Too bad they then had every other movie crank the silliness up to the same level.
No.1000045
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>>999872
>>999874
There's also Michael Jai White as Spawn.
No.1000193
>>1000045
it's impressive how well the CGI holds up
No.1000807
>>1000193
>the CGI
>mostly practical effects
>CGI is done for impossible things and typically outlined in necro green which also helps to hide it
a good flick, shame it never got a sequel…
>looks at blade 2 and blade 3
maybe its better this way.
No.1001012
>>1000807
Anon, your shiftkey is broken.
No.1001075
>>1000807
Reminds me of the restrained use of CGI in the first Mortal Kombat film, they didn't just try doing everything with CGI, they mixed it up with animatronics and practical effects.
>>1001012
Fuck off, you autistic cunt.
No.1001115
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>>999871
They messed up going full leather.
No.1001136
>>999807
This is largely the reason, but the other part of it is that Hollywood is full of pretentious hacks who very much believe that they are too good for this kiddy comic book shit. They think they are being so smart and inventive by making everything more realistic and hyper-textured. Like we should be impressed that they put so many seams and panels on a skintight suit.
No.1001149
>>1000807
>shame it never got a sequel…
Much worse anon, reboot with McFarlane directing and starring Jamie Foxx.
No.1001155
>>999920
>Mainly thanks to Keaton as Vulture, who manages to make up for a lot of other bullshit it.
This. I thought of the Vulture as a B-lister at best but they made him cool. Shame about the Shocker though.
No.1001156
>>999920
>Keaton as Vulture
The fur collar on his flight jacket made me very happy. It was a nice tribute to the original design.
No.1001167
>>999874
>but at least he spends most of Deadpool films wearing the mask
No he doesn't. When I watched Deadpool 2 all I could think was 'Jesus christ put the fucking mask on'.
I mean, yeah, he wears the make-up. But it hardly counts as the make-up is only slightly uglier than his normal face and nowhere near as ugly as it is in the comics
No.1001170
>>1000807
>looks at blade 2
Blade II was fantastic you pleb
No.1001183
>>1001167
>only slightly uglier than his normal face
Nigger what? Sure it's not as absolutely hideous as the comics, but it certainly gets the point across that his face is ugly as sin.
No.1001192
>>1001183
My point is that it's still recognisably Ryan Reynolds. Yeah it gets the point across but Ryan Reynolds is still recognisable as Ryan Reynolds and that's what you see in the Deadpool movies most of the time. The actor showing his face
No.1001463
>>1001192
Funny enough there's one scene in the film where Deadpool is in the afterlife with his wife and he looks like normal Ryan Reynolds.
No.1005122
I'm guessing super hero helmets aren't comfortable to wear so they don't wear them unless they have to.
They don't use actual super hero outfits because they requires some real skill to pull off. If you make everything black leather than you can colour adjust the entire movie and nothing is lost. It's much harder to do that if people are in yellow spandex.
No.1005134
It takes a lot of money to make a comic book costume look good on screen, and even then it might not work, if you put NIPPLES on it.
No.1005141
Trying to translate art into live-action is always a crap shoot.
No.1005144
>>1005141
Why does it have to be live action though? Animation could be really cool. Speaking of which, DC's animation department has gone through the shitter. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with the recent movies of the past two or three years but those are garbage.
>>999920
>>999942
Pirated Civil War and Age of Ultron.
I don't get it. They're not particularly bad but they're not good either. If it didn't have the production values I would have completely forgotten about them.
No.1005151
>>1005144
They're summer block busters. That's what you're supposed to do.
No.1005152
>>1005151
But why not have like smaller scale animated movies too? I'm not saying the Punisher/Black Widow one was God Tier or anything but it was pretty fun to watch
No.1005156
>>999760
Because of the mentality that capeshit is mature and dark edgy shit now, and kamen riders is for little babbies.
No.1005307
>>1005144
>Why does it have to be live action though?
>>999760
No.1006340
>>1005134
>>1005135
I feel sorry for the Fantastic 4. Those costumes look great but they never get a good adaptation.
No.1007585
>>999760
Don't you fucking know how much those Tokusatsu costumes cost? CGI is definitely much ((((cheaper)))) option.
No.1007620
Can't show off the actor's diversity that way.
No.1007623
>>999760
Beause superhero costumes look fucking stupid.
No.1007629
>>1006340
It may be a while before they get another adaptation of any quality thanks to Fox's tremendous fuck-up a couple of years ago.
No.1016799
>>1000193
The movie was made with state of the art tech for the time. It's just that shortly after that The Matrix came out and we had a big shift on aesthethics for film
No.1016801
No.1016812
>>999871
Yes…realism…in a world where we have a guy who shoots lasers from his eyes and a lady who can control the weather. Always hated that "realism" excuse
No.1016814
>>1005134
Red Skull doesn't look half bad for 1990.
>>1005141
Aside from the clear plastic shield, the Reb Brown Cap is a guilty pleasure for me..and the most off putting considering his other works involving him yelling his head off.
No.1016816
>>1005144
You mean like in Gotham by Gaslight, where they have Jim Gordon be the Ripper?
No.1016825
>>1016814
Hey, Space Mutiny is a CLASSIC.
I loved The Cage because it had 70's Captain America and 70's Hulk, it was practically a Marvel movie. And the sequel had Bruce Lee's daughter!
No.1016842
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>>1016825
That's what makes Reb Brown as Cap the most off putting. Reb Brown is at his best when he's yelling his head off while firing a machine gun one handed, man.
No.1017149
>>1005135
>Cap's fake rubber ears
No.1017190
>>1005152
I don't know I guess they're contract with Madhouse is up? That and they seem to want to cheap out on animation.
No.1021992
>tfw in just 2 episodes it's already more convoluted than the whole Black arc in DBS
>that shit cg
>that horrible pacing
I'm pretty fucking disappointed in it so far, but hopefully it gets better. Gaim was absolute dog shit for the first 12 episodes then suddenly kicked into gear and stayed great until the very last episode which ended on a mediocre note. There's a lot of neat concepts in the show, some good dynamics, and the monsters look amazing so far… but everything else is just awful at the moment.
No.1022005
>>1001170
Good visuals, crappy story Like all Del Toro movies.
No.1022010
>>1005152
>But why not have like smaller scale animated movies too?
Shit doesn't make money, the normalfags want flesh and blood (or something that resembles it) rather than a cartoon.
No.1022014
>>1021992
Gaim was great even in it's early episodes. Just took time to get it's story going.
But yeah ZI-O is a little disappointing especially coming off Build. And KR wikia being fucking retarded doesn't help find information either. The biggest saving grace so far is bringing back multiple past Rider actors. But the show's quality itself is really poor.
I almost hope it's ending just pulls a Ryuki so none of it ever mattered in the first place.
No.1022055
>>1022014
Nah, I disagree pretty strongly about the early episodes of Gaim being good
>teens having horribly choreographed dance battles over "turf" and this being a major plot point
>summoning midgets from locks to have pokemon fights
>horrible, HORRIBLE CG monsters at the beginning
but like I said, then episode 12 hit and everything was incredible from then on. Of course, I guess the director had said from the get go the tone would shift drastically after a couple episode in early interviews so I imagine people dealt with those earlier episodes better than I did with that knowledge. Ex-Aid had a similar start and it definitely ended up as one of the better rider series so I'm more than willing to give Zi-O the benefit of the doubt.
I honestly wonder if they are just trying to get everything set up really quickly with these first couple of episodes to focus more on the crossovers and let those episodes breathe a little more than these early episodes where it's almost constant jump cuts and confusing, rushed story.
No.1022056
>>1022055
also, if they don't get Masahiro Inoue back for a good Decade episode that's going to be the biggest sin this series commits.
No.1022107
>>1022055
The thing is Ex-Aid didn't have to revisit past riders and try to justify the plot device of time travel like ZI-O does. Right now there's debate on exactly when the Build parts even take place. The current consensus I've found is that episode 2 takes place in the merged world while episode 1 showed Build in the early pre-merged world. But the show itself doesn't make this perfectly clear. Which is a problem tied to pacing issues I'm sure.
>>1022056
>inoue
>decade
>good
None of these things go together!
No.1022115
>>1022107
Like Decade or not, a crossover between the two anniversary Riders not happening would be as big a blow as the fact we’ll never get a Kuuga x Agito movie, especially with how similar their gimmicks and designs are.
technically Fourze was an anniversary Rider as well but a large part of that plot was left behind.
No.1022118
>>1022115
We already know Decade will make some kind of appearance later with the fact that one of ZI-O's upgrades is using the Decade ridewatch along with a third watch. For reasons. More than likely he'll show up unless the actor is that busy with Garo stuff.
Fourze is only an anniversary season in concept that got left behind since it was too close to Decade to do another anniversary season. But elements of this dropped concept are kept in the web specials sadly lost to the ages since there's zero torrents of them.
No.1022148
>>1022118
yeah, and to be honest I'm not that bent out of shape about it. It would have been neat to see Fourze befriend all the Riders but I really like what we got, so no harm no foul.
Ironically, Fourze was one of the Riders I thought I'd had the most and he ended up being one of my favorites.
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No.1022161
>>1022148
I just really don't like Decade. Like it's very obviously a rushed production for a neat idea that needed more time to flesh out. Instead you have a series where it's summarization is "there is no story". Then there's the fact Decade is a bigger Gary Stu than Kabuto and isn't even as likable. They could've done more with the whole actually being a leader of a multiverse Shocker.
**Fourze is also one of my favorite Riders and it being much more unique instead of trying to ape Decade probably turned out for the better. The forms they had for the concept were awful.
No.1024442
>>999807
this, it's why villains are the only characters whose faces are ever allowed to be hidden
>>1022148
fourze's just a pretty fun romp overall, lots of talent behind it
No.1026582
>>1022161
At least Zi-O has been getting better with each episode. There’s still some pacing issues but they really are capturing the feel and even some of the directing from each series. The latest episode even managed to have some intriguing stuff happen between the other rider shifting into Faiz and Woz easily overpowering other Fourze so Sougo could achieve his new form.
I am starting to think they didn’t get Sota Fukushi to reprise his role though. Kinda sucks how they’ll be handling the old riders if that’s the case, but it’s better than Decade just rewriting them completely.
No.1026585
>>1026582
The show is getting slightly better as it goes along but the time travel fuckery is universe shattering levels already within 5 episodes. Still I hope it keeps things interesting as it goes. Though I have a feeling the ending is gonna be a huge cop out where nothing mattered and everything was fixed.
I will say that the Another Rider forms are great monster versions of past riders. Even with all of the faults in ZI-O, these are really really nice suits. Shame the same can't be said about the Ride Armors.
No.1026600
>>1026585
At this point I’m more or less behind it, about the only thing I’m really dreading is a cop out with Oma Zi-O. At the very least I want to see Sougo start to head down that direction, best case scenario they actually give a decent reason for him becoming Oma Zi-O and have him fully go down that path to have him be defeated similar to how Amazons season 2 was handled. Worst case scenario he never goes that direction and either has to fight himself, or Oma Zi-O is a completely different person.
No.1026604
>>1026600
I don't trust Woz enough yet to not suspect him to be the true Oma ZI-O.
No.1026606
>>1026604
And that would be the biggest cop out, but we’ll see where it goes
No.1028452
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Because of VOUGHT Industries
No.1028500
>>1028452
>series is all about hating the most degenerate, selfish aspects of capes
There’s no way that shit is going to carry over in the current year.
No.1028515
>>1028452
No. No. No. Please no. Please tell me I'm hallucinating. Tell me this is just an elaborate joke. Please. Please.
No.1028517
>>999807
It's also because it's difficult for a mask to show emotion in live action form, so they get rid of that problem by taking the character's masks off.
No.1028518
>>1028517
Deadpool and Spider-man proved you can do that well with CGI. There's zero need to have characters take off their masks.
No.1037635
>>1016842
I remember when Spoony would do Rebruary. Good times.
No.1037640
>>1028500
It all makes more sense when you undertsand The Boys presented capes as a Hollywood stand-in. The new Hollywood, if you will.
No.1037662
>>999852
Do you think only kids watch those movies?
No.1037789
>>1037662
No but that's not the point. The audience that they're catering to is largely children and the marketing itself is largely children oriented as well.
No.1037795
>>1037662
>Do you think only kids watch those movies?
That would be the ideal, yes. Super heroes are not for adults.
No.1037823
>>1006340
Roger Corman's Fantastic 4 is even more sad. They studio made the movie to hold onto the Fantastic 4 license, but Roger Corman being Roger Corman actually tried to make a good movie on a shoestring budget. It's not a great movie by any means, but it has heart. Moreso than any of the other F4 movies.
No.1037825
>>1037823
But then he left the cast there at the premiere. With no movie.