No.936865
>Learn to be an animator with Animation Mentor!
>Then never get hired by any studio because you didn't go to CalArts!
No.936873
>>936865
>The only prominent animation studios are in New york, Commifornia, or Canada
>Majority of American cartoons made by CalArts grads
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No.936875
>>936865
Well there's always Canada, if you honestly don't care about the low pay, long hours and low quality of the actual work.
>>936873
>Feelsbadman.png
Just post an actual image Reddit.
No.936876
>>936865
Dont tell me you actually need an art degree to get an animation job now?
No.936878
>>936876
Nowadays, yes.
Fuck your talent, HR won't let you pass the door if you "can't get along" with the flow of the production team.
As for talent, the thing that pisses me off the most is that CalArts actually teaches art and some grads have very good art in their tumblr blogs… walls? whatever that is. They just decide not to use it.
>>936865
>Animators have the funniest job on earth!
No.936879
>>936878
>Animators have the funniest job on earth!
Nowadays, yes.
No.936886
>funnest job on earth
Except it's fucking not, bottom of the barrel animators are getting jobs like hotcakes because they'll take cheap pay and they're abundant so easily replaced.
Animators get shit on, look at what happened with all the animators who worked on seth rogan's food orgy, overworked, underpaid, and ended up quitting and didn't even get credited for their work.
If you want to really have your heart torn out and thrown into a blender, look up Mike Jittlov, he made a motion picture called "The Wizard of Speed and Time". He had absolute passion for his stop motion, ended up rejected by every talent agent, his work is incredible but he ended up completely dejected from trying to get any help from talent agencies. He even apologized to a fan getting his autograph, because his fan told him "You're the reason I got into stop motion!".
I'm amazed his website is still up, http://www.wizworld.com/
No.936899
>>936876
I don't know about an animation job, but I got a job in a game company (a shit one, it's dead now) and my degree didn't matter at all. All that mattered was my portfolio and giving a good interview. That was about 3 years ago. Also in England, for what its worth.
No.936906
>>936878
> be me five years ago
> have a tumblr blog
> see all of these creative and talented artists and their work
> watch as they're slowly infected by social justice and feminism
> Their art becomes shittier and less frequent
> The artists become passive aggressive head cases
>tfw
No.936908
>>936906
> have a tumblr blog
You need to go back
No.936909
>>936908
I'm never going back to tumblr, m8
No.936910
>>936876
For cartoons maybe, but from what I understand game animation (which has way more jobs for 3D animation than cartoons ever will) is a lot easier to break into with just a portfolio, especially something that's in a complete "product" (read: contribute to a mod that actually gets released. If you can model too it's even better.).
No.936915
>>936886
You weren't joking, that's some rough shit.
No.936924
>>936865
So that thing actually teach you something or not?
No.936927
>>936924
Yes and No.
Yes it teaches you how to animate shit but No, it doesn't really teach you on reaching the onslaught of CalArts level of work.
No.936928
>>936908
Once tumblr exists, there is no coming back.
No.936933
>>936865
>the funnest job on earth
>ywn spend 5 hours autistically rigging a big black bull's face for 5 seconds of animation
feels good
No.936947
>>936927
There were kids on new grounds they showed better skill than a majority of cal arts grads
No.936950
From what I hear, studios care more about your reels and portfolio than your degree. And recruiters apparently frown upon reels that consist of nothing but Animation Mentor exercises.
No.936951
>>936933
YOU LITTLE C-WORD
No.937063
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>>936865
Not posting your work online
No.937082
>>936906
you were probably friendly or dare I say even friends with some of those folk huh
How the hell did it get this bad
We have people screaming about diversity who all have similar art.
People who make pornagraphic matiriel have shows on childrens telivision.
Shit like big mouth makes it past the concept pitch and gets picked up for 2 seasons at least.
You can't even find animators on the internet who are willing to make fun shorts and it breaks my heart.
The animation industry isn't dead but it should be.
No.937109
>>936878
>, HR won't let you pass the door if you "can't get along" with the flow of the production team
Well being able to work with your co-workers to get work done is quite a common job requirement.
>They just decide not to use it
That's because all the good art work takes a shit ton of time and when they have a limited budget and a dead line they simply can't have every little detail. This isn't exclusive to the US or animation.
>>937082
The animation industry is just returning to standard. You think in the 1960s when the only way to share to an audience animation was TV or film, that animators just made hand drawn, colored animations for shits and giggles? The golden age of internet animation was nothing more than the internet becoming available to high schoolers with no connections, no legal ability to get a cooperate job, and a shit ton of free time. Now with youtubers making lets plays and react eating up all the eyeballs, anyone who would want to make animation will have to realize they won't get any real recognition. You still have some who have a hobby like ratboy genius or vid related, but its never hand drawn, always tweened or easy 3d stuff.
No.937114
>>937109
>Well being able to work with your co-workers to get work done is quite a common job requirement.
Yeah but being able to work with your coworkers hasn't been as this hard before on a common all around the industry.
>>937109
>That's because all the good art work takes a shit ton of time and when they have a limited budget and a dead line they simply can't have every little detail.
I'm not expecting Rembrandt stuff on every frame just not them being this goddamn lazy, you could make a little detail but anatomically correct human silhouette, shit, not even that, just not grinning potato.
No.937117
>>936906
>mfw they start reblogging and posting about politics instead of posting art
This goes for whatever platform. Twitter, tumblr, etc.
No.937125
>>936865
>go to school to learn 3D animation
>graduate
>ends up using those hard earned skills to make porn
I can't be the only one that thought of doing this. Seems far less stressful that way.
No.937130
>>937125
Unless you end up having to make porn you don't like to make ends meet.
No.937132
>>937130
Yup. In general your in a sense in the same position many webcomic makers find themselves in.
No.937168
>>936878
That says funnest.
>>936865 (OP)
>that Spanish
>>Then never get hired by any studio because you didn't go to CalArts!
Get the fuck out of my country you filthy taco mongoloid.
>inb4 OP is Iberian
Do you mean to tell me foreigners have to come here to learn?
No.937651
>>936865
>tfw wanted to become a madness animator
>newgrounds flash scene dies near the end of 2012
>want to evolve past the increasingly irrelevant madness style
>became an ok artist and do just that within two years
My dreams got crushed like glass and this is what I got in return.
No.937834
>>937651
>>newgrounds
>Most of their good shit is long gone
>But they keep Ben 10 porn on their art section
Really makes you think.
No.938066
>>936865
Might as well go indie and build up from there. In the age of the internet, TV is already on decline anyways.
No.938068
>>937651
You can blame YouTube and flash being obsolete for Newground's death.
No.938836
>>938068
I think tom fulp's reaction to "The Slaying of Sandy Hook" is the final nail in the coffin.
No.943588
I dont want this thread to die yet
No.943598
>yfw you wanted to become a cartoon writer
>yfw you can't draw for shit
>yfw you don't live in California
No.943604
>>943598
>yfw you don't live in California
No.943605
>>943598
>yfw you live in America's armpit
>yfw you can sorta draw
No.943608
>>943604
If you wanna become a showrunner you need to live in LA
No.943614
I know there is nepotism but talent is a huge variable. I know an animator who went to her province's Community College and did their Traditional Animation/Art programme(sadly only 3d is offered now…) and ended up working for national studios moving on to one of Disney's television animation studios. Humblest of beginnings, and we do have our own version of CalArts here to bully anyone else out, but she was a standout. Profs seeing her talent and spread her demo reel around to other Profs at more prestigious schools and smaller studio execs. That all culminated in her being awarded a slot to present her showreel at the major annual animation conference for our country.
So yeah, you can run with the big dogs if you have the talent and hone the skills to a high enough level- most people are not that good. They may be good, yeah, but not to the point they can bypass the need for connections. That takes being exceptional.
Dangit, wish I could find that scan from the Animator's Survival Kit on how studios can't find competent animators to hire anymore that is posted here from time to time. It's more true today than ever and anytime I hear Cal Arts mentioned I feel the need to post it.
In a more tangential comment- the fact that shit like Toon Boom has killed the flow and life that hand inked lines have that in turn give real flow and life to the animation drawn with said lines hurts me deep inside. I mourn for what animation was. Thank god a lifetime of crushing deadlines, bourbon and smoking will take me out soon.
No.943634
>>936865
>studied game design
>only 2 people I know have any job or make games, and I'm not one of those two
No.943635
>>938068
I always hated Newgrounds.
Do you also know those kind of people who invited you over and then showed you "hilarious" shit on Newgrounds which never was funny or good?
At least I know Stamper now, that's all I learned there.
No.943760
>>938068
How else were they supposed to adapt? A creator can make some animation exclusive to NG and some random cunt will just steal it and post it on YouTube.
>>938836
>Fulp's first post really shows that he shouldn't have gotten attached to the charity for Sandy Hook and families involved with it. (Why they would ever watch that content is weirder).
>While his second post shows the actual problem is with how Newgrounds gets blamed for hosting controversial content while Fulp's get blamed for creating said content, while YouTube can do that and gets away without any association.
I understand that Newgrounds how always had a reputation for having the freedom to host edgy and violent content. Fulp has gotten older and more mature and I would think is trying to move on from that, but young and edgy content creators are gonna be edgy while he has possible lost that.
No.943768
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Why does USA hate animation?
No.943770
>>943768
Because it's for little children and real grown up adults are expected to watch actual mature films with EXPENSIVE actors like Adam Sandler. Only manchildren watch animation past the age of 5.
No.943788
>>943608
Yeah, but not living in LA is its own reward.
No.943789
>>943635
>Do you also know those kind of people who invited you over and then showed you "hilarious" shit on Newgrounds which never was funny or good?
Sorry anon. I thought you liked Matrix parodies.
No.943804
>>943789
Aw, c'mon, Knox' Matrix is still funny.
His Agent Smith. "You're like a beautiful black baby."
Heh, Knox' Mortal Kombat.
"AW MAN I WET THE BED!"
"You're… DOWN THERE!"
"I want to slide down your rainbow!"
"I got a stick!"
"ONLY I SING THE BIRTHDAY SONG!"
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