No.914238
I am gonna copypaste the information from the site I saw these news
>Editorial is miserable. Understaffed, under experienced and overworked. The direction at the top corporate level is a mess of politics and in-fighting. They all look the fool to Disney because of Feige’s split and the bad PR & constant gaming of their declining sales is wearing on them. Top brass want to make a hard left back to what worked with Steve, Thor, Tony, Banner and other recognizable faces. Editorial knows how bad it’s going to look to push all their diversity celebrations to the side. Reality is those books didn’t sell. A lot of it had to do with Marvel’s chincy practices finally reaching a breaking point with fans but the internal editorial spin is that comic shop fans aren’t ready to embrace change.
>The terrible reaction to Hydra Cap/Secret Empire forced a change in plans. Originally it was going to end with a quasi-Dark Reign scenario where Hydra is vanquished thanks to Kubik shenanigans and the World Security Council from the movies steps in to assume power over super heroes and everything has Civil War-era overtones with registrations, boot camps, the idea of an Inhuman ban. The Vanishing Point would be a way to bring back Steve, Tony, Thor, Banner; sort of like Hickman’s “Time Runs Out” jump-skip but in reverse, it would rewind the characters to before the Hydra subversion stars. The classic heroes realize that they have lost touch with the people and need to learn how to fight for them again. In the meantime, the new generation of Miles, Kamala, Riri and other Champions would form “the resistance” against the WSC state. (“Generation” was also planned to be the transition from the classic guys taking a step back and letting the new generation lead the charge).
>Legacy is a rush-job. They can’t afford to take the classic characters off the table like that for so long but they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too, and please all masters. It’s a scattershot way to buy time while they right the course on several books. It’s not going to be about “new number 1s” but milestone 500, 600, 800 issues. A lot of these big volume numbers are really stretching the definition but the constant relaunches have started to seriously damage the trade department’s ability to plan out long-term marketing.
No.914240
>They’re bringing back the Ultimate line for the teen heroes. Miles will become Ultimate Spider-Man again. Siri becomes Ultimate Iron Man. X-Men Blue becomes Ultimate X-Men. Champions becomes the Ultimates. The only “adult” character that will be a regular presence is Captain Marvel because they want her to be seen a prominent character to the overarching power structure of the WSC/SHIELD and other elements that will factor into her movie heavily. They’ll still make guest appearances in the “main” books but don’t expect them to anchor anymore franchises. Bendis staying on Miles and Riri. Hopeless is still on Ult X. New Ultimates writer is Amy Reeder
>Waid is a stop-gap on Cap to bridge the Legacy launch, then takes over Iron Man with 600 (Doom will be the main villain). Coates is taking over Cap with 700. They want him on the book to endorse the image rehabilitation. There’s a lot of face-palming internally about the “cap is a nazi” talk. He’s on both that and Black Panther as long as his schedule allows.
>They got lucky with Greg Pak and Hulk. It leads into a Planet Hulk revival pretty seamlessly.
>Jane Foster dying was always the end-game with the storyline, but the positive response with female fans means they’re trying to find a way to make her stick around. Tentatively planning to make her the new Valkyrie as the movie version is a blank slate and no one cares about the 70s Defenders character.
>Classic Thor will be space-bound for awhile. Definitely through “Ragnarok.”
No.914241
>Slott is off Amazing Spider-Man. They’re going to move him over to Friendly Neighborhood; the fear is he would sign exclusive with DC if they took it away from him completely. Plus he struggles with deadlines and there’s less risk with him off to the side. They can’t ignore declining sales anymore and it’s time for a refresh.
>Spencer was earmarked for ‘Amazing Spider-Man” for awhile but he’s “earned it” after taking the heat for Secret Empire. Plus there are fans of his “Superior Foes” book in editorial and the plan is to emphasize tech-based criminals, go smaller scale, focus on NYC. Yes, like the movie. No, they’re not going to de-age him to a teenager. (Although it is a corporate synergy idea that has been floated; editorial has been able to argue that there’s no great way to do it … yet. They’re hoping Tom Holland ages up and they give up on that idea. The time-displaced X-Men are an albatross brought on by First Class synergy).
>No major plans for MJ beyond guest spots here and there. The marriage isn’t coming back ever. Renew Your Vows will stick around until its a money-loss. It’s just a spin-off that had some legs, like Spider-Gwen. Silver Sable/Black Cat plans are being developed. Big plans for the Venom series to have a central role in Marvel events.
>The X-Men are still in a tight spot. ResurrXion was itself a rush job after the Inhumans movie push was officially kaput and there was no future for family of books. Because of the Fox issue, they still can’t create new ideas that could go toward the movies so its literally just nostalgia retreads. Uncanny will be back next year with Xavier. Old Man Logan is sticking around for the foreseeable future with X-23 becoming his sidekick, the book will be called “Wolverine.” They burned out Deadpool fans with the price gouging, so no plans for spin-off series, but there will always be mini-series on the side to line out trades.
No.914242
>Seriously, don’t expect the classic Fantastic Four anytime soon. Ike has seemingly dug his heels in; even though Fox will probably never figure out what to do with them, he’s spiting the brand because of how bad the negotiations went. Sue & Reed and the kids are seen as “boring” enough to sacrifice. Two-In-One is basically a containment book for people to get their F4 fix. It’s an inventory book, no set writer, it’s like “Avenging Spider-Man” or “A+X.” Different writers will get to use different pet characters.
>Ms. Marvel is in a funky spot because most at Marvel are aware that something organically special happened with her book. She’s basically the new “Runaways,” a special project with a special writer’s connection. It will last as long as Wilson wants to writer her, with a focus on the bookstore market while she pops in and out of other books when relevant. They want the audience to have enough familiarity with her because it’s inevitable she’ll be adapted sooner than later; it’s way too soon for her to be introduced into any Carol Danvers sequels so the TV division might snag her for their Hulu/Freeform teen show pitches. (Moon Girl is saved by her trade sales but the threshold is much lower for if sales drop any lower.)
>Wilson is also taking over Captain Marvel. They need to make it work and she’ll do the best job tying the legacy together. Kamala, Monica Rambeau, SWORD — its all part of it.
>Runaways is just a mini-series. They just want the trade out in time for the Hulu show. They can’t seem to get readers to care if it’s not BKV but they know people still love the franchise.
>Cloak & Dagger and New Warriors series are coming. Squirrel Girl is wrapping up and North is moving her storylines over to NW where she’ll be the main character.
No.914244
>>914241
>Slott is off Amazing Spider-Man.
Good, he's been on that book for way too long. Longer than Stan or Michelinie
>No major plans for MJ beyond guest spots here and there. The marriage isn’t coming back ever.
Good to see Marvel haven't really learned from their mistakes
No.914245
>Elektra, Bullseye, Kingpin tanking so hard shook them. They need the “Marvel Knights Netflix” corner to be sustainable, so they’re relying on Bendis on Defenders & Jessica Jones for awhile. Say what you want about his other stuff, everyone here thinks its still his sweet spot.
>Brian Buccellato is on Daredevil with issue 600.
>Justin Jordan is on Moon Knight; big hope that he can give Marvel their “mature” critically acclaimed book that juices up that corner of Marvel.
>Secret Warriors and Royals are already wrapping up. Rosenberg is moving over to one main Inhumans book. Quake/SHIELD will be background characters until “Agents” wraps up (everyone knows this is the last season).
>They’re going to give Ahmed a shot with Black Bolt until sales drop.
>No plans to take Duggan off Guardians. Gunn is moving full steam ahead with Adam Warlock weirdness and they want to make sure those characters/ideas are “accessible” but still fun.
>Punisher War Machine is just one storyline involving Stark tech. They want to pull the character back from some of the real-life darkness and imagery; Nate Edmondson’s rep + Secret Empire has made him “ugly” (plus no one cares about Cloonan’s run). They want to scale him back to the Spider-Man/Defenders side of street-level, with less focus on real guns and more emphasis on comic book-y tech.
No.914246
>Al Ewing is on Spirits of Vengeance. Editorial likes him, but he can’t sell a book to save his life. They just want someone with a love of Marvel lore to write the magic/horror characters to have them prepped for future Movie Phase exploration with a Blade reboot. They know that corner of Marvel horror needs its own “Annihilation.”
>Replying to whether Marvel will have a black Mary Jane or what Vanishing Point was.
>It’s just like … a Spencer plot device. It could have been WeirdWorld (oh boy that was a failed plan). It’s just Spencer’s take on a “place out of time” a la Morrison.
>There are no plans for a Spidey reboot like that. They can’t get readers to pick up a teen Peter Parker since Bendis killed off Ultimate.
>They wrote themselves into a corner because no one cares about kids books like Marvel Adventures or that “Spidey” book from last year.
>There has been some discussion about an “Untold Tales of Spider-Man” relaunch with teen Peter and the high school cast but they don’t want Busiek and there’s no market for “prequel” books.
>There’s a thought (and I agree) that once the animated Miles movie comes out, they’ll have their “Spider-Man for kids” so we want to keep him strong in the comics and cartoon merch. The Sony deal is kind of closed off but in terms of brand direction, we’re all about synergy. The Gwen revival talk is dead now that the Emma Stone movies are done.
No.914247
>>914238
What site was that? Could you please give an archive or a link?
No.914248
>>914242
>Seriously, don’t expect the classic Fantastic Four anytime soon. Ike has seemingly dug his heels in; even though Fox will probably never figure out what to do with them, he’s spiting the brand because of how bad the negotiations went. Sue & Reed and the kids are seen as “boring” enough to sacrifice. Two-In-One is basically a containment book for people to get their F4 fix. It’s an inventory book, no set writer, it’s like “Avenging Spider-Man” or “A+X.” Different writers will get to use different pet characters.
This is the most infuriating shit in all of this. It's not that they're not making new F4 books, Marvel's current books suck. It's that, because Ike is being such a cunt, Fantastic Four is being memory-holed completely. Even reprints of old books are being allowed to go completely out-of-print just because Ike doesn't want to give Fox the 'promotional benefit' and the only people who suffer are the fans.
No.914249
>We’re just kind of waiting to see Sony’s next steps but there’s kind of like a prep for nostalgia for the Raimi trajection in terms of MJ & college.
>We’re in the dark about a lot of the post Infinity War plans now but the overarching brand direction we were looking at was scaling it to revolve around Spider-Man even though Marvel can’t make a solo Spidey film.
>I think Tom Holland is going to be the new lynchpin for the MCU. They’re not going to have a new “Iron Man” franchise but they’ve got Holland locked into a deal where he’ll teaming up with characters in their own stuff.
>The original plan was to mirror the Civil War to Secret Invasion to Dark Reign arc.
>There’s a reason this is called Secret Empire. The next step was “Nomad”‘ing the entire Marvel line-up. There was a lot of editorial excitement about saying something about Trump’s win and the baby boomer backlash.
>No one was expecting the backlash to cap hydra and they probably could have kept the original plans intact but I think it was the sales/marketing push that buried it.
>Not everyone is an idiot here; we are aware of how we price gouge comic shops. I think that was more the issue and once all the online fan political arguing started happening around the book, retailers just finally threw their hands cause it wasn’t worth the outrage.
No.914250
>>914247
Its Screengeek, but the archive was taking too long and I decided to copypaste the info here.
>On what Ultimate comics are
>just an imprint line. not a separate universe.
>Jason Aaron is off doing his own thing. His Avengers BC thing is just a Morrison mini series idea he has.
Spencer “made his statement” now that Captain Sam won’t be the status quo (that was the original plan while Steve goes back to the maskless “Super Soldier” identity).
>I think everyone agrees it’s time to take teens away from Waid.
>But the senior editors had big plans for that push and now there’s nowhere else to put it. But we can’t just get rid of it forever.
>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place. Honestly, the Riri thing was the tipping point. It was Bendis’ idea, no one in editorial had a big plan for it and it hurt the big post-Secret Wars push to make Tony Stark the franchise of the MU.
>Since it’s basically a book for his daughter, we’re kind of stuck keeping her in print.
>Edit wants to have a fresh voice on a Miles book in time for the Sony cartoon. David Walker apparently had a pitch that got people excited.
>But there’s just no way to take Miles AND Riri away from Bendis without burning a bridge with him forever.
No.914251
>>914250
>But there’s just no way to take Miles AND Riri away from Bendis without burning a bridge with him forever.
They should burn that bridge. Bendis is shit and hasn't been good for more than a decade.
Jim Shooter would have fired him
No.914253
>On Spider-Man,
>I’m not kidding: the Slott FNSM run is going to marketed like Joss Whedon on Astonishing. It’s its “own thing” “unrestricted by the monthly continuity but still taking place in the MU” which is code for “if its late, its late.”
>It’s going to be sold as “separate but equal” to Amazing. I have no idea how long it will last, but it’s to assuage his ego apparently as he was not interested in other books.
>I don’t think anybody wants anyone else to jump to DC. The real fear is Disney seeing that Warner had success moving the comics office to Burbank and lining everything up under one roof.
>Moving Marvel Comics out of NYC and onto the Disney lots is a real possibility. A lot of us will get downsized or just not relocate if that happens.
>On what it was like when the Legacy variant covers were announced
>not surprised. just our typical variant trick that’s been meant with diminishing returns while contracts get lined up for new last-minute books to replace post SE plans.
shitty day for me because i had to handle a lot of the online damage control until like 8:30
>This is how Marvel corporate works under Ike: we don’t give the fox and sony movies anything but we will milk the cash in on comics.
>After X3, the plan was to do a teen focused reboot, so we were going to cash in on that. Not literally the movie cast, but remove the baggage and make them streamlined and accessible to younger demos.
No.914254
>>914238
>Editorial is miserable. Understaffed, under experienced and overworked.
Well, that explains the past decade or so of shit they've been letting slip by.
>Editorial knows how bad it’s going to look to push all their diversity celebrations to the side.
Editorial should know by now that the diversity shit was a bad PR stunt that did not affect sales and will only continue to harm the company if they don't kill it ASAP. It will only get worse if they wait even longer.
>but they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court.
It's a nonexistent market. At best, it's a couple dozen faggots on twitter. The money they bring in doesn't even cover the cost of shipping the comics to stores.
>It leads into a Planet Hulk revival pretty seamlessly.
Oh joy, another rehash of a big event to try and scrape in some shekels. Worked so well for Civil War 2!
>Jane Foster dying was always the end-game with the storyline, but the positive response with female fans means they’re trying to find a way to make her stick around.
At least they admit that they are only keeping her around so they can get their e-peen sucked by shitty journos and idiots on tumblr. Her shit doesn't sell and the fans have spoken: She's a bad character and "positive response" doesn't mean shit.
>No major plans for MJ beyond guest spots here and there. The marriage isn’t coming back ever.
Oh, I get it now.. They'll cry that everything is falling apart and insist that they are trying to do better by repeating their mistakes, but they don't want to fix anything.
>Old Man Logan is sticking around for the foreseeable future with X-23 becoming his sidekick, the book will be called “Wolverine.”
That sounds awful.
>Ms. Marvel is in a funky spot because most at Marvel are aware that something organically special happened with her book.
This should be a massive red flag, not a breath of relief. She's easily one of the worst characters they've got and they feel she's the best thing they've got going right now.
No.914255
>Claremont is like the “Spider Man wedding” of X Men. Its this unwieldy thing that none of the senior editors like that they want to rewind but because of the movie deal we can’t make new IP.
>X-Men has been a micromanaged mess since I started here. AVX was a sales team gimmick to replicate Civil War, which messed up Schism. Remender’s plans got hijacked by the time displaced O5 which was a pretty shameless Bendis pitch to corporate. There’s no central architect guiding the franchise, just big plans that get derailed by the next sales gimmick.
>Then the fox talks started going really south and it wasn’t just “don’t give them new ideas” but actively scale it back.
>Yes Ike and corporate really thought they could replace X Men with Inhumans. They don’t actually care what it is, just as long as they own it.
>The 05 was seen as a way to scale it back and might as well “House of M” the last vestige of Grant Morrison’s run and just make Scott & Emma straight up super villains. But its been a mess cause no two writers are working together on the bigger picture and Gillen and Aaron and Remender all had different plans.
>IVX was a mercy killing to a character that had been written into a corner
No.914257
And that is all by the way.
No.914258
One of the big take-aways from this is that Marvel should really stop doing big events.
No.914259
>>914249
>There was a lot of editorial excitement about saying something about Trump’s win and the baby boomer backlash.
Yup.. it's confirmed. They are broken beyond saving. Any hope you had for Marvel should be discarded now. They are truly and completely detached from reality.
Case in point..
>No one was expecting the backlash to cap hydra
>Not everyone is an idiot here; we are aware of how we price gouge comic shops.
"We have no idea what fans like about our characters.. but we're not idiots!"
>I think that was more the issue and once all the online fan political arguing started happening around the book, retailers just finally threw their hands cause it wasn’t worth the outrage.
"Also, the reason retailers stopped buying our books was because of internet arguments!.." not because they were bad or poorly written or clearly made as a shitty marketing stunt to drive up sales.
No.914262
>>914259
I lost hope a while ago. I'm just here to sew how far they're gonna dig themselves into a ditch before they explode. At this point it would appear all the rational people are gone or just left for Image or DC. They're stuck with all the retards all over and the movies can't keep saving them. We all know after Infinity War releases its over.
No.914263
No.914281
>>914238
Oh boy here we go! Let's see!
>The direction at the top corporate level is a mess of politics and in-fighting.
They cooked this for themself and now they need to swallow it. The Mouse made a logical demand: bring back the popular, let the "diversity" slide away. If this poor "understaffed" (you mean everyone with IQ was chased away), "under experienced" (you mean bad and talentless), "overworked" (ahahaha!!!) staff can't understand then they should be fired. Like ASAP!
>They’re bringing back the Ultimate line for the teen heroes.
Are they don't want money?
>Seriously, don’t expect the classic Fantastic Four anytime soon.
Yep, they don't want money…
For those who don't want to read: Marvel is still stupid as fuck, but the Mouse wants results (in money) not excuses. We probably will reach the point where we will see Disney power drill the Comics Department's ass with a spike dildo.
No.914286
>>914244
>Slott is off Amazing Spider-Man.
Two steps forward. Slott simply isn't a good writer anymore and he's been on the book for like a decade. It's time for some change.
>No major plans for MJ beyond guest spots here and there. The marriage isn’t coming back ever.
One step back. Looks like certain key players at Marvel are still wed to their own egos.
Honestly, if I were Disney I'd just fire everyone and replace them with my own people. Cancel all but the important core books and basically soft-reboot the entire MCU.
No.914289
>>914250
>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place.
I really don't believe this. You have writers and creative producers gloating openly about how comics are no longer a white male hobby as if it ever was in the first place. I find hard to believe that was merely accidental.
No.914295
>No mention of Gwenpool
Thank God.
No.914302
>>914246
I Would be ok with a retake of Marvel horror franchises.
Just no more zombies.
>>914255
Wasn't Cyclops dead?
On an unrelated way, would Marvel accept scripts for a story about El Agila, Werewolf by night and Wolfbane? maybe a few more totally forgotten Marvel characters in a quest to fix the universe from the madness of the gods.
No.914303
>>914263
It really is worth skimming through to find out just how fucked things are at Marvel, but here are some highlights just to give you the bigger picture:
>Marvel's editorial staff is too small and not talented enough to handle the 100 books they put out a month and the thousands of characters in them.
>Many characters, teams and franchises have been left blowing in the wind or written into a corner because things have become so chaotic and Marvel doesn't know how to handle it.
>The company can't seem to actually commit to any of their choices and are trying to stick it all in a kind of limbo where they can have their cake and eat it too.
>Ike the Kike hates that Fox wouldn't negotiate with him over X-Men/Fantastic Four character rights and he killed the franchises out of spite.
>Disney is getting pissed off that sales are dropping and core characters aren't getting any attention. Marvel doesn't wanna get rid of their diverse teen heroes but they don't have much of a choice.
>The new event, "Secret Empire" was supposed to be a carbon copy of the Civil War/Dark Reign arc from a few years back. The big hope was a dark, brooding arc with lots of death and oppression would resonate with readers and send a message that Donald Trump sucks
>Everyone, even Marvel's coveted "woke teenager" audience hated it and they had to back pedal hard.
>Marvel has no idea where to take their universe from here or how to handle their next big event.
No.914308
>>914242
>>Seriously, don’t expect the classic Fantastic Four anytime soon. Ike has seemingly dug his heels in; even though Fox will probably never figure out what to do with them, he’s spiting the brand because of how bad the negotiations went. Sue & Reed and the kids are seen as “boring” enough to sacrifice. Two-In-One is basically a containment book for people to get their F4 fix. It’s an inventory book, no set writer, it’s like “Avenging Spider-Man” or “A+X.” Different writers will get to use different pet characters.
Hmm, now that's a shame. You know I never was big into the Fantastic Four, what were some of their good stories I should look into finding? Them just completely binning them is probably a blessing to what fans they have, they won't get too fucked up in the coming shit storms.
All in all this is not surprising to hear but really just fucking confusing to see them continue to fuck up again and again. I wonder if Disney will ever take the axe to Marvel Comics at some point.
No.914310
>>914308
Its not out of the question though… They did ax their video game division for not making enough money as it hoped and discontinued Disney Infinity, despite having a fanbase. While comics don't have the same production cost as games, a clean up will be necessary before they consider pulling the plug.
>>914303
>The new event, "Secret Empire" was supposed to be a carbon copy of the Civil War/Dark Reign arc from a few years back. The big hope was a dark, brooding arc with lots of death and oppression would resonate with readers and send a message that Donald Trump sucks
They fucked up because they used the wrong character to represent Trump which was Hydra Cap.
No.914316
>>914246
>Al Ewing is on Spirits of Vengeance. Editorial likes him, but he can’t sell a book to save his life. They just want someone with a love of Marvel lore to write the magic/horror characters to have them prepped for future Movie Phase exploration with a Blade reboot. They know that corner of Marvel horror needs its own “Annihilation.”
Wasn't one of the main reasons people loved marvel cosmic then was no one cared about that corner for years and so the writers were actually free to do what they want? No oversight, no taking characters off a story because an event. It was all self contained and pretty much in the writers hands.
No.914319
>>914295
Hopefully the Marvel editors forgot that they're even printing it and will just let Hastings/Gurihiru run it until they're finished with it.
No.914320
Disney, I can't believe I'm asking this. But can you please EA Marvel?
Cause then we could at least get a clean slate in a few years.
No.914322
>>914308
>You know I never was big into the Fantastic Four, what were some of their good stories I should look into finding?
Basically anything by:
- Jack Kirby
- John Byrne
- Walt Simonson
And maybe a handful of others
No.914327
>>914238
>>914240
>>914241
>>914242
>I am gonna copypaste the information from the site I saw these news
or you could just post the archive link but then i guess we will all be able to see that the site is reddit , isn't it?
No.914329
>>914238
>Editorial is miserable. Understaffed, under experienced and overworked.
I was wondering why a lot of the "NEW" books were poorly made and formulaic as fuck. Now I know why.
>A lot of it had to do with Marvel’s chincy practices finally reaching a breaking point with fans but the internal editorial spin is that comic shop fans aren’t ready to embrace change.
Marvel just salty that they dumped a fuck ton of $4 HASHTAG diversity books on the market without realizing it'll piss everyone off.
>>914303
>The big hope was a dark, brooding arc with lots of death and oppression would resonate with readers and send a message that Donald Trump sucks
If you suffered through the 2016 election, you're already aware that everything sucks, not just Trump. You don't need a giant comic arc reminding you of this fact, which is part of why Secret Empire failed.
People want to get away from that shit.
>>914316
>Wasn't one of the main reasons people loved marvel cosmic then was no one cared about that corner for years and so the writers were actually free to do what they want?
All the best books come from situations like that.
No.914330
>>914327
>>914322
>>914320
>>914319
>>914316
>>914310
>>914308
>>914303
It seems all this information is a "leak" made by an ""insider"" who """""works in Marvel comics""""".
Some of the so called comic news sites are already reporting it as fake, so it is highly probably it is all a big load of bullshit.
No.914331
>>914330
>comic news site reporting it as fake
>believing in them on the first place
They would have a lot to lose if this was real.
No.914335
>>914331
>believing in them on the first place
Well, there is the fact that we don't have a good reason to believe in some guy writing some stuff in some forum anyway.
No.914342
>>914238
>Top brass want to make a hard left back to what worked with Steve, Thor, Tony, Banner and other recognizable faces
More liek a hard right, amirite?
>Coates is taking over Cap with 700
>The marriage isn’t coming back ever.
>Silver Sable/Black Cat plans are being developed.
>There was a lot of editorial excitement about saying something about Trump’s win and the baby boomer backlash.
OK, maybe not.
No.914372
>>914335
A lot of what's written here is either stuff we already knew anyway or stuff that makes perfect sense given the climate of Marvel, so I'm gonna bet it's mostly true.
No.914376
While all that sounds interesting and believable, these "leaks" happen all the time and more often than not they're fake as fuck. So I'm taking this with a little bit of salt.
>>914248
>Even reprints of old books are being allowed to go completely out-of-print just because Ike doesn't want to give Fox the 'promotional benefit' and the only people who suffer are the fans.
That probably has more to do with Ike's penny pinching policy on in-print trades in general. Why keep waste money keeping most of your books in print and stored in a warehouse when you can let them go out of print and either doom them to the high-priced void of the collector's market or recollect them later for $40 a piece?
>>914302
Marvel (and DC) don't accept unsolicited submissions, so no.
No.914377
>>914238
>The classic heroes realize that they have lost touch with the people and need to learn how to fight for them again. In the meantime, the new generation of Miles, Kamala, Riri and other Champions would form “the resistance” against the WSC state. (“Generation” was also planned to be the transition from the classic guys taking a step back and letting the new generation lead the charge).
I want leftists to just shed this pretense of populism. They've built their entire ideological/class identity on hating the people and shtting on them at every opportunity for not being plugged into decadent fads in the capital.
No.914407
>>914245
>Punisher as War Machine
Why?
I've only seen 25 issues for Soule's run on Daredevil so how far into the future will they replace him?
No.914425
>>914240
>Siri becomes Ultimate Iron Man
It'll be funny to see her get commands wrong in the middle of a battle.
No.914445
>>914377
This whole article is one long screed about how out of touch Marvel comics is with the rest of the world, and yet they have the audacity to insist that their little bubble is representative of the whole world and that all the classic heroes, the ones people like because they resonate so well with western society and it's values, are the ones that are out of touch with the spoiled "PoC", LBBTQIAetc, activist, gender studies minority.
No.914449
>>914250
>Its Screengeek, but the archive was taking too long and I decided to copypaste the info here.
http://archive.is/D8gw7
Here OP, I did your job and it took me hardly a minute.
No.914476
>>914445
>the ones people like because they resonate so well with western society and it's values
You mean the ones that keep getting changed over and over again because of reader fatigue?
No.914482
At this point I think anyone who doesn't just read/watch My Hero Academia for their superhero fix is just a fool.
No.914483
>>914476
None of these have lasted more than roughly a year. At most, two or three. But eighty years onwards, everyone knows who Steve Rogers is.
No.914484
>>914476
Punisher was never Cap. He just wore that in one arc after Steve's "death".
No.914489
>>914476
And what happens after a few months? They reset to status quo because an attempt to drum up sales with a big change/death/replacement, always pisses off readers more than anything else.
No.914519
>>914482
If I want a good superhero fix, I'll just read Astro City.
No.914535
>>914489
>is so fucking new he thinks changing things back to status quo isn't part of their plan
Sales dip
Change character
Sales increase
Sales dip
Change character back
Sales increase
Repeat until dead.
No.914554
>>914372
>A lot of what's written here is either stuff we already knew anyway or stuff that makes perfect sense
yeah, you don't need to be an insider to say that kind of stuff, just some information and that is it, you have your fake leak. Anyone could do it. The especific parts can be corroborated and the news say they are fake.
No.914555
>>914335
"Mainstream" comic book sites have good reason to declare this fake because they are the ones defending this diversity virtue-signaling, and acknowledging that this is causing ruin to Marvel plays against their own agenda.
I'd like to know which parts you think are too unbelievable or made up in this thread?
No.914557
>>914555
This >>914554 for example.
No.914574
>>914557
>Look guys, a writer on Marvel's payroll must be telling the truth
>saging a thread like a downvote
Unironically hang yourself.
No.914579
>>914535
Not sure if you're the same guy from >>914476 but it sounds like we're in agreement. The iconic characters keep getting reset to status quo because they know the change will only give them a temporary boost.
No.914591
>>914579
You don't understand. Even when they change it back to "status quo", the sales slip and they change the character again. It's a tactic started in the nineties and has only ramped up since then.
It's just another of the gimmicks the big two use to keep afloat. They limp from gimmick to gimmick. They never do anything substantial. Never actually trying to tell interesting stories that stand on their own. It's just a non-stop series of cash-grab schemes that make modern comics a torturous hell.
No.914621
>>914574
Great argument, mate.
No.914627
>>914621
Yeah, because yours is so riveting.
>LOL This is all fake, Marvel is doing just fine
That is how you sound like, you fucking faggot.
No.914628
>>914250
>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place.
lol sure… there are no social justice warriors in marvel right? fucking idiots.
No.914629
>>914246
>No one cared about Marvel Adventures
That..and the writers on the line constantly took potshots at what happened in the mainline Marvel books.
No.914630
>>914251
Marvel has been on a downturn ever since Shooter left..and I'm pretty sure Shooter ain't coming back to Marvel after what Marvel did to him
No.914633
>>914630
What did they do to him?
No.914634
>>914633
The same thing they do to everyone else - screw him over.
No.914637
>>914238
>That image
Thought that was going to be a Loss parody at first.
>>914330
How many of those comic sites shill for Marvel and end up having their staff hired by them in the future?
No.914641
>>914637
This shit took me longer than I thought it would.
No.914642
>>914591
Problem is that sjw was the stupidest gimmick to attach to. Sjw do not willingly let go, they salt the earth of anything they touch as they leave. They want nothing to live beyond them. Its why they give all of 2 shits for the health of a child, they do not see kids as the future. Just a tool for the now.
No.914643
>>914633
So, Shooter was working on a comic series called Plasm but then Marvel was all "No..we got a trademark on an unreleased comic called Plasmer..change the name or we'll sue". Shooter said "OK, it's called Warriors of Plasm now.." and Marvel say they're looking over it…and then waited until Shooter had to publish the book and then Marvel sued. Heck, even the Judge had to yell out at Marvel for that dirty tactic but the aftermath was Shooter got screwed and Defiant Comics folded a few months later.
So, no way in hell Shooter is coming back to Marvel..not unless Disney allows Shooter to hire a firing squad.
No.914644
Whatever happened to Brocktimer? Did he stop posting because everyone was acting so rude to him? The last Venom comic remember reading here was 151, I liked that, but why haven't there been anymore storytimes?
No.914645
>>914644
Just like the PowerPack anon, he wouldn't shut up about Venom and Brock. So he was rightfully bullied for it.
No.914646
>>914644
He either never left because we would never fucking know if he did or not, or he left because the site keeps shitting itself.
No.914648
>>914645
>he was rightfully bullied
I enjoyed his threads. He seemed like a nice guy, and seemed to be getting what he wanted, shame he's gone. You guys were too mean.
No.914649
>>914648
Sounds like we got ourselves some new bullybait here.
No.914651
>>914648
If he couldn't take people on the internet being mean then he didn't belong here. In any case he probably just hasn't posted in a while.
No.914655
>>914645
>>914646
I liked him. Not just because I'm a Brockfag too (was mistaken for him a few times) it's nice to be able to ID certain posters by the content of thier posts. Makes us feel more like a community and all that gay shit.
Also anyone who takes the time out to do a storytime is cool in my book, and he did them on the regular.
No.914661
>>914655
nice dubs, I hope e is not gone.
No.914672
>>914644
He made one last post a while ago saying that he was bored of Venom and Marvel, and that he was seriously depressed over the future of the white race.
No.914675
>>914641
Take out the dialogue balloon and it's perfect
No.914688
>>914672
>"he was bored of Venom and Marvel, and that he was seriously depressed over the future of the white race"
>tfw Brocktimer becomes the next Hitler
>all because Marvel and /co/ ruined Venom comics for him
No.914690
>>914644
Some anon claiming to be him said he was burned out after Marvel announced Venomverse. Brockfag thought Marvel would actually stop with events and milking stupid shit that's going to be in movies or tv shows. Kinda made me feel bad for the fag.
No.914691
While there's some shit in here that's been announced or discussed and some that's been either rumored or speculated for months, I refuse to believe any of this because it's too good to be true.
But even if this was all true it leaking would mean it would never happen. Last time something like that this got out is when Marvel's vp of publishing let slip that shops told them no one wants their stupid diverse characters. And rather then own up that maybe they were going the wrong way or maybe they tumblr comics weren't written or drawn well, they blamed the audience for being racist. And when that wasn't enough for the screaming harpies of twitter, they doubled down going out of their way to say just how much they loved diversity and these characters aren't going anywhere sales be damned. So if this true all it's going to mean is that Marvel will announce 5 more America and Moon Girl featuring Captain Marvel.
No.914699
>>914691
Marvel's VP saying that diversity didn't sell wasn't a leak though, it was an interview he made on Marvel Retailer Summit. He tried to frame the audience as being racists for the stories not selling well, but the PC brigade, rational and calm as they were, misread his words as him blaming diversity.
No.914703
>>914688
>dubs 88
>implying that the next Hitler is going to be a funny book fan
I don't like this.
No.914704
Honestly, while it sound believable, it's probably fake. If it would be real, TBC and other comic sites would be all over it. I hope it is true, and that Disney ends up intervening and clearing the house.
>Bendis is fucking everything up and is likely part of reason why Marvel lost decent writers and his ideas generate bad PR for the company
How much will it take for them to kick Bendis out? It would be interesting to see him trying to self-publish. They could also just give him a "Bendisverse" where he would be free to masturbate to Luke Cage and fawn over Riri, but which would be unacknowledged in other books.
>Blade reboot
>Bringing back horror and mystical comics
>Punisher with focus on comic-book tech instead of real guns
Get ready for Punisher curving bullets, firing laster, and using stun grenades. There will also be zombies, Satana will be desexualized, zombies, Robbie Reyes will get sidelined in his own book yet again, zombies, and vampires used as a strawmen for those intolerant Eastern Europeans who live in their terrorist free ethnostates and refuse to let refugees in. Blade will probably be played by Boyega or Michael B. Jordan and spout Wheadon-esque quips constantly.
>No Fantastic 4
>Pretty much no MJ
>Planet Hulk rehash
>SIlver Sable/Black Cat series
>>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place.
Of course.
>there is a possibility of Marvel getting downsized or relocated
What would I give to see progressive ladies fighting male diversity hires over who gets to keep their Disney paychecks.
>>914316
Yes. But then Marvel noticed that books gets consistent and decent sales for years, unlike other books which might start out high but eventually decline to the point of cancellation. Marvel probably wanted to turn the GotG into a major cash cow (like Spider-Man and X-Men), so to boost sales numbers they brought in Bendis, because he had "starpower," and introduced Tony Stark into the team, because Iran Man was at his peak of popularity due to films. How could this not work?
It was about as brilliant as axing the ultimate universe and One More Day.
No.914707
>>914699
I'm aware it wasn't a leak, but it was something honest about a company that tries it's hardest to paint sub-10K sales as a positive. It confirmed something that non-SJWs were saying for some time, these books aren't selling. Marvel would deny that up and down saying fans don't have the full picture. Then a higher up confirmed they don't sell and shops didn't want more of them. Even though he did try to paint the fans as the problem, the truth was out there and hurt them on the only place they appear to really care about, nobodies with blue checkmarks on twitter. Even though everyone now knew that these books weren't working, it didn't matter. They would continue to go this failing way.
If this shit was true, it would confirm that Marvel is in a shittier spot then they let on, just like with the VP diversity statement. And rather then right the course they would steer the ship straight into the rocks to save face in front of SJW lynch mob and the tumblr hacks they hire.
No.914710
>>914704
> Marvel probably wanted to turn the GotG into a major cash cow (like Spider-Man and X-Men), so to boost sales numbers they brought in Bendis, because he had "starpower," and introduced Tony Stark into the team, because Iran Man was at his peak of popularity due to films.
My theory is the other way around. Bendis is past his prime, he knows this. He's never going to make it outside comics, he knows this too. So he throws his weight around like the big fish in the small pond he is. I don't think Marvel brought in Bendis, I think Bendis demanded he get put on a book that was about to be a movie and directly led to DnA getting booted off the book. He mentioned in the past about having some influence on their GotG book regarding their use of Thanos.
No.914768
>>914642
The thing is, their early sjw books had some success. Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, etc. did better than they were expecting. So Marvel said "Let's exploit the FUCK out of this fad" and promptly flooded the market with sjw books, exterminating most of the audiences for their early titles in the process.
This failure puts Marvel and shops in a delicate position. They need to try something new as they desperately need new audiences, but they still want to keep what little remains of the sjw audience they built up.
No.914844
>>914675
Oh fuck you're right. I have to completely redo it now.
No.914854
No.914863
>>914250
>But there’s just no way to take Miles AND Riri away from Bendis without burning a bridge with him forever.
oh noooooo
No.914866
>>914863
Why not just create a Marvel Niggaverse, where white people don't exist, and just let Benis helm that?
No.914867
No.914868
>>914866
>benis
>head of basically a blaxplotation version of the Marvel universe
No. Benis is not cool enough. He will not be able to channel the amount of "bad-ass" necessary for an all black Marvel universe.
No.914869
>>914866
>Oh, so all these hip, young, and diverse heroes aren't good enough to exist with the fucking white men? DISGUSTING!
Oh no, Marvel's gonna ride this train until it runs out of coal.
No.914887
>>914866
Without white people who would they blame for being a failure? The biggest fear of the black folks is a world where is no whites to blame on their savage nature and fails. See every african country where they sit on massive resources, no white man arround and they stil living in mud huts and killing each other.
The true tragedy of being a kang!
No.914980
>>914866
>Niggaverse
That was an idea pitched before but it didn't get picked up.
No.915031
I bet marvel wishes they had a cosmic cube right about now. After this collosal fuck up it'll be a miracle if they survive the're never gonna make it with bendis and nick their terrible staff and the shit show that is generations guess this is what happens when you fuck with cap dont forget tho marvel let this happen they wanted all of this to happen.
The show goes on how will they ruin themselves further.
No.915234
No.915262
No.915290
>>914240
> no one cares about the 70s Defenders character.
I won't say I care about the character, but she's among Marvel's Top 5 hottest characters IMO, while Whor would rate way lower. I certainly like her way better than Whor as well.
No.915332
>>914244
I can't believe you fags are still butthurt over Peter not being hitched in mainstream continuity. It's been more than a fucking decade and you have RYV to satisfy that fix.
No.915337
>>915332
>I can't believe you fags are still butthurt over the fact that the one thing that has been holding the character back so long hasn't been fixed.
No.915340
>>914980
So the asians, and other races die too. Still would read it.
No.915346
>>914255
<AVX was a sales team gimmick to replicate Civil War
I wish Marvel would fuck off with this fucking Civil Warship thing they do. It wasn't a good storyline, it never was. Not everything has to be heroes vs. heroes. Writing heavy-handed political allegory isn't good writing, it's hack writing. Civil War might have been financially successful, but trying to replicate it has only resulted in disaster time and time again.
No.915350
>>915346
It's movie synergy now, that's why they're gonna worship it into the fucking ground
No.915384
>>914289
<There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place.
>I really don't believe this. You have writers and creative producers gloating openly about how comics are no longer a white male hobby as if it ever was in the first place. I find hard to believe that was merely accidental.
I'm of the opinion that the assessment was truthful, but not very honest. By that I mean I believe them that it wasn't a top-down editorial directive along those lines that resulted in what happened, but it was the natural and inevitable result of a comics publisher having its writing and editorial departments staffed entirely by progressive liberals or other stripes of radical leftists. You give them the Marvel Universe as a sandbox and tell them that their """talent""" is being cultivated, Disney will support whatever losses they have to so long as their IPs develop for film, what they'll do is everything editorial will let them to make their own mark on the Universe (and thus feel like some kind of a big shot).
With their political ideologies, they're going to look for "under-represented" groups to feature more prominently. In other words, whatever victim group they either most personally identify with or want to use to score political points ("Take that, Drumpf, I wrote a comic book with a hispanic girl latina latinx named 'America' being a superhero). In every single possible circumstance, the writer will select someone that isn't at least two of the following: White, Straight, Male, or Christian. Their values don't allow them to see merit in the existence of these identities when combined together, because their inter sectional theories identify all of them as oppressors (therefore non-heroic) in different ways.
Now here's where the rubber of this alignment of interests meets the road. Hack funnybook writer #245 wants to leave a mark in film or some other media, they do not give a fuck about comics. If they create a character that is wholly original, no one will read it and it will be in danger of cancellation almost immediately, regulating it to being a footnote in the Marvel Universe. New characters debuting in team books are similarly incredibly easy to discard or bury when everyone forgets about them. They only have about 28 pages a month to endear their pet character to audiences as much as possible, so they have to be either a major, major part of a hero's cast, or they have to be the hero himself. So what do they do? They try to get their pet project to take the mantle of an existing hero, who already represents all the things the writers and editors are ideologically opposed to anyway. "It's new, it's exciting, it's fresh, It'll pull in new audiences", they tell their editors who in turn tell their flunkies (who have the same ideology) in the """""Press""""". These audiences never materialize, but because these characters exist, they're practically guaranteed to stay in print and through years of publication, become a core element of canon that can't just be discarded (short of somehow obliterating their kind from Continuity, which no one involved in the process is remotely inclined to do).
There is a little caveat here in that we don't know exactly how many of these proposals were shot down outright. I have the feeling that prior to Captain Falcon someone probably wanted to replace Steve Rogers with an OC donut steel, but whoever was editing at the time realized how unpopular that would be and suggested something that made more sense, probably as a way of salvaging the story that the writer wanted to tell. I suspect the whole "Nazi Cap" thing was first off, an attempt to poison Steve Rogers in the minds of readers to set up for a permanent minority replacement and secondly might actually reflect the ideological prejudices of whoever was writing and editing that shitshow. I think they could honestly be so far gone that they link every trait Steve Rogers embodies with "Nazi"s (they're kinda right for the wrong reasons) and they're so deep in their bubble they expected only minor shock and controversy.
No.915398
>>914330
>>914554
<Believing the fakest of fake news
No.915403
>>915384
>By that I mean I believe them that it wasn't a top-down editorial directive along those lines that resulted in what happened, but it was the natural and inevitable result of a comics publisher having its writing and editorial departments staffed entirely by progressive liberals or other stripes of radical leftists.
I don't think that contradicts what the other anon is saying. I can't imagine Ike the Kike made a call to push a Muslime teen hero, but Marvel is staffed with far left cunts who only hire far left cunts and it kind of becomes a de facto "No white dudes allowed" club.
No.915505
>>915384
>Casual: The Post
No.915545
>>915384
Yeah, I think that's how it happens. It's the danger of that kind of ideological bubble.
No.915570
>>914484
It's like pointing to one random "Superman Dies?!" imaginary story issue from the 1950s and pretend it's the same as taking an A-lister off the board for over a year of publishing in the and replacing him with a mouthpiece.
>>914768
>Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, etc. did better than they were expecting
Uh, what are you talking about?
Fraction's Hawkeye was a minor hit ("little book that could") but then wasted its audience because it took a year and half for the last six issues to come out. It did okay in trade, at first anyway. But it's absolutely laughable for Marvel to still be pushing the Hawkeye property as a normal ongoing series (which they're doing) based on Fraction Hawkeye 1-6 sales. I agree that they are doing this but it's absolutely pitiful.
And Captain Marvel has never worked. The Carol revamp has not worked at all and has continually had terrible sales. They push it anyway because they hope it will catch on. I bet even the movie won't help it beyond 1-2 sales dump issues.
Or do you mean Ms Marvel? As with Fraction's Hawkeye, it sold slightly more than expected and did goodish in its first collected edition. Ever since it's dropped like a rock.
>>915403
> I can't imagine Ike the Kike made a call to push a Muslime teen hero
You know the thing I wonder most about all of this is what Ike thinks about his staff 24/7 tweeting hatred against his bud Donald. Like, does that ever come up in his mind? Or does he just not care? I'm half willing to bet that Ike is so weirdly out of touch that he doesn't even know about it.
I'm dead serious. I think there's like a 20% chance that if we could just somehow show Ike the twitter feeds of Breevort, Slott etc. then he would fire his entire staff instantly.
No.915590
>>915570
>this entire post
How many times do we have to explain the comics industry? Seriously?
No.915591
Movies and tv synergy ruined marvel, they're keep changing directions to follow mcu
>>914248
That jew is really petty but then again FF deserved to rest
No.915593
>>914316
MCU changed all that
No.915623
>>914238
The greatest about the DIVERSE run…is that it could have been done so well.
No.915664
>>914980
>>914295
I want SpiderGwen.
No.915667
>>914310
Hydra Cap and Red Skull weren't even wrong.
No.915684
>>914980
>Within weeks the virus kills all those with a 'melanin deficiency' or those with light skin.
WHAT
No.915709
>Bringing back the Ultimate line
>Loeb and Bendis are too busy to do anything with it
OH GOD, OH GOD IS IT HAPPENING AM I GONNA BUY SOME MARVEL COMI-
>It's not its own universe, just a dumping ground for diversity heroes
No.915724
>>915623
Not in today's world. Dwayne McDuffie isn't around anymore to show these fuckers how it's done. Marvel couldn't bothered to try and get Priest on board. Gone are the days of women with flaws or black characters that are well rounded.
Instead it's just a bunch of cheap hacks who only care about making sure their books check all the right boxes. Marvel probably has more female solo titles than ever, but they all read the same because they're all the same variation of some Whedon knockoff. All these nig and spics, but rather then have them be some kind of character they're just loud, obnoxious, boring, and constantly praised before they do anything worthy of praise. And the worst part is Marvel won't let them fail.
No.915764
>>914238
The sooner the big two die off, the better the industry will be.
No.915772
>>915570
>Does he just not care?
Of course he doesn't you idiot, he's rich, he cares about what makes him money. That's why Silicon Valley execs are in turn pro-business libertarians when dealing with Republicans and bleeding-heart liberals when dealing with Democrats - they can afford to buy both sides and tend to come out on top no matter who wins. Ike is no different, unless he manages to piss off the Mouse.
No.915779
>>915724
>Marvel couldn't bothered to try and get Priest on board
Priest is actually writing an comic of the Inhumans' earlier days right now, the second issue drops this Wednesday. Although Ryan North is writing Lockjaw backup stories for it.
No.915817
>>915779
No, he's working on Deathstroke over at DC and I'm pretty sure DC refuse to let their writers/artists work for Marvel.
No.915841
>the classic guys taking a step back and letting the new generation lead the charge).
No.915842
>>915817
That's funny because Priest certainly isn't exclusive to DC right now.
No.915843
>Fantastic Four
>"We can't think of any good ides that would result in fun, imaginative comics for people to read… so we gave up."
Is this… is this the ultimate admission of failure as a writer? Especially a FANTASY FICTION writer?
No.915876
>>915841
>bringing up Kyle
Don't you fucking bring up Kyle, fag. Do you know how long Kyle was Green Lantern? Ten fucking years. He was supposed to be permanent, but the Halfags were so upset about Emerald Twilight that DC caved to their demands to bring back the guy with a personality of a frozen waffle.
The moment they brought back Hal Jordan and magically hand-waved all of the character development he did as Parallax was the moment capes stopped giving a fuck.
No.915877
>>915843
The funny thing they don't realize is that Incredibles, the most well loved super hero movie… is just the Fantastic Four with slight differences. There's endless possibilities for adventure involving a family with super powers, but Marvel couldn't do it. They don't have any family values in the first place to base their stories on and would probably just kill the kids or divorce Reed and Sue for cheap shock value or something
No.915884
>>915877
I used to loathe the fantastic 4 as teenager and young man. I think part of it was that it was a "family" and that wasn't cool to me then. Now as a father of two I see the endless possibilities. I also started thinking about all the stuff I have enjoyed and stuff the masses used to enjoy that was centered around family. It's a shame, I think the FF could lead the way again like it did in the early 60's.
No.915888
>>915877
>There's endless possibilities for adventure involving a family with super powers, but Marvel couldn't do it.
Of course. Marvel is fixed to their out dated formulas and dread making any real innovation.
Half the reason the HASHTAG stuff was so popular with them is that it required the minimum amount of change to implement. It's the same shitty comics, just with a different coat of paint.
No.915890
>>915876
Fuck Kyle, he's a bottom bitch boy.
No.915892
>>915877
I believe they just don't do stuff because they don't own the rights.
Besides, I wasn't even a big fan of the Fantastic Four because for strong guys I liked Hulk more, and after the Illuminaty shit, Civil War and World War Hulk I can't stand Reed Richards.
No.915894
>>915892
That's the thing, the Fantastic Four is at their best when they are being a super family, not when they are making serious decisions in some Marvel event.
This page right here sums up everything a Fantastic Four comic should be.
No.915910
>>914238
>but the internal editorial spin is that comic shop fans aren’t ready to embrace change.
fucking misogynistic racists nerds!
>they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court
>diverse audience
>tumbrl
>SJW
>diverse
wew
>>914246
>Replying to whether Marvel will have a black Mary Jane
da fuck?
>>914630
>what Marvel did to him
what happened?
>>914672
>he was seriously depressed over the future of the white race
>not getting popcorn and watching everything getting purged
No.915914
>>915842
>hire black writer
>inhumans waz kangz
No.915915
>>915914
Well, they are royalty.
No.915919
>>915894
That is the entirety of Reed Richards as a character summed up in 4 panels and it's amazing.
No.915924
>>915877
While the family facet of the FF is absolutely one of the pillars of the team and their success, I am also of the opinion that the FF need to be on the frontier of scientific discovery to really work. They came out of the 60's space race and are an evolution of the earlier "Challengers of the Unknown", an era when the public could legitimately wonder if something like a subterranean civilization, Atlantis, flying saucers or a microverse might actually be the next real scientific discovery that the struggle to win the cold war would produce. There was a similar (if smaller) boom in this sort of imaginative thinking with the advent of computer technology in the 80's and 90's, back before it was sterilized and packaged in nice clean apple-products. In those early days the internet was something that was only understood by the weird computer-genius guys and felt like a mysterious alien world to the masses, and terminology like "cyber-space" and "world wide web" helped give it a cool mystique. Everyone remembers TRON and the Matrix, but there were a ton of other forgotten properties with the premise of treating the internet like a new frontier to be explored. Unfortunately the FF were mired in X-treme 90's nonsense at the time so they didn't really capitalize on it.
This is why all of the FF movies were doomed as soon as they were set in Current Year, instead of being a period piece like Captain America. It's like trying to retell Cap's origin as a contemporary super-soldier created to fight Richard Spencer in a skull mask. If they'd realized how important the zeitgeist of the 50's and 60's space race was to the FF, we could have had something like a less grimdark version of Planetary's "The Four".
No.915962
>>915924
Honestly, FF could work in current day if they only handled it somewhat well. Modern day parallels 50s and 60s a bit, with public's superficial interest in tech and science, and overall acceptance of fantastic elements in media.
Nowadays you have Musk, private companies, and China venturing into space exploration, and many other countries are eager to enter modern space race as well. First proper artificial limbs are appearing, automation, AI research, stem cell tech, and nanorobotics are gaining more and more traction as well.
FF made in 60s style science fiction film but with modernized tech could work. It works pretty well in Venture Bros.
No.915973
>>915962
You make a decent case for it, but I disagree because of some finer points you are glossing over.
Venture Bros is an intrinsically cynical take on the subject matter that the 50's and 60's treated with starry eyed optimism or at worst prudent caution. Reed Richards, as well as other silver-age scientist superheroes like Ray Palmer or Barry Allen, pushed the boundaries of science for the good of their country because there was a nationalistic sense of pride. Somewhere in the corners of the narrative there was the presence of Russia or extraterrestrial invasion used to justify taking such risks, but that wasn't front and center. Most of the time Reed wasn't thinking about how his discovery was going to beat a particular enemy, he was pushing science forward because of curiosity and because it was just the right thing to do. In the current day a character like or Dr. Venture uses science for personal financial profit, and as such will only put in as much effort as they are paid to put in (which generally leads to the disappointing results that make for a good comedy show). Globalism has also devalued the "team spirit" that pushed the competitive edge in the struggle between Russia/USA. So what if the UK is the first to plant their flag on Mars… it'll be a team of multicultural astronauts using Chinese designed equipment and Russian parts, or some variation of that. The victory will be shared with everyone on Earth, so most people will push for it about as hard as they would for any participation trophy.
My point is that it's less about what particular advancements that science is currently working as about the attitude that the culture has towards the drive for that knowledge. I don't know how you go about engineering a new enlightenment era where the quest for knowledge is the highest virtue, but I can tell you that it isn't that way right now. Universities have put many disciplines on par with liberal arts degrees, and they're doing everything they can to shit up STEM as well. But I do think that an important element is having a readily available frontier that feels accessible to the common man. So maybe once we land on Mars it'll bring some of that spirit back? One can only hope.
No.916009
>>915973
I aint reading all that.
No.916019
>>915914
Well Christopher Priest is a pretty good writer.
No.916175
>>916019
Whats his other work?
No.916203
>>915915
I wish they at least stuck closer to the original designs.
No.916224
>>915894
Or when dealing with Doom.
No.916479
>>915973
I think you're looking at the creative problem too widely, anon. You need to realize that most of the faggots working at Marvel are hipsters. They think Steve Jobs invented shit. They don't care about science, even in superficial terms. Sure they pay lip service to dumb shit like get more nig trannies in STEM or whatever, but they don't care about that beyond virtue signalling. Their imaginations are limited and all they really care about are themselves. And the closest thing they have to anything interesting relationships. Now, you'd think that might help on a book that's basically about a family, but they don't like, want, or care about actual family relationships because that would mean caring about someone other than themselves. They care about grabbing coffee with friends or someone patting them on the back when thy feign being worthless (even though they really are). These cunts can't grasp how to make superheroes work, they can't grasp a scientific adventure, and they can't grasp family relationships.
Even if you change the culture of the US to want to believe in whatever wonderful world you could create with science, it would all fall short because the cunts editing and writing the books don't think outside of their person twitter bubble.
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No.916596
No.916611
>>914240
>and no one cares about the 70s Defenders character
I do
No.918257
No.918317
>>916175
He did a run on Black Panther and did a run on Deadpool back in the day. Back when Deadpool was good and not a meme spouting redditor.
>>916606
Ah Illuminating comics is still at it. Nice.
No.918750
It should be noted that BleedingCool has reported that Marvel suffered a massive drop from last year. I know we all dismiss BC and Rich the Leech's opinion, but the fact he is reporting on something that is counterproductive to his agenda shows that shit is really fucked for Marvel.
No.918904
>>918317
Neat, what was the run about?
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No.918993
>>916606
Makes for great editing.
No.919002
>>918750
It appears Marvel is killing the industry once again.
No.919011
>>919002
I'm telling ya..Marvel's now going full 2000 era WCW..except at least Vince Russo's shit is bad in the trainwreck sort of way.
No.919145
No.921713
>>919145
>trusting BC
>at all
No.921716
>>918904
The Black Panther run dealt with Agent Ross being an attache to Black Panther and constantly having to keep up with him as T'Challa defends his nation from political machinations and crazy shit. It seems intimidating at first with all the scheming happening but once you keep reading it it makes sense at the end.
No.923560
No.925842
Rich the Leech spoiled what happens in Marvel Legacy:
>15. In fact we start with that one. Yes, Wolverine is back, escaped from his adamantium tomb.
>14. It’s all about a big Celestial that was defeated by the Avengers 1,000,000 BC and buried. And the possibility that some archeologists in Cape Town may be digging him up.
>13. Wilson Fisk is running for mayor of New York. And is ahead in the polls.
>12. Voyager has indeed been retconned into the Avengers earliest adventures. Maybe she can chat about it with Jessica Jones?
>11. This is SHIELD’s last day – after what went down in Secret Empire, SHIELD is being disbanded and all the agents will be unemployed. or dead
>10. Sam Wilson and Jane Foster are still totally kissy face, much to Riri Williams’ chagrin. Not sure who she’d prefer to be kissy face with herself though.
>9. Steve Rogers in riding across Americ on his Harley. Somehow both Sam and Steve still have the shield.
>8. Tony Stark is gone.
>7. Mangog is coming.
>6. Deadpool is a wanted man, even though he was only obeying the commands of the officially appointed leader of the USA.
>5. Norman Osborne still wants magic.
>4. The Celestial is known as The Fallen. Reviving him may see him summon the Final Host. Phoenix-related maybe? Every Phoenix needs a host. No clue as to who it may be.
>3. There is a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire. And by the looks of it, has been for centuries.
>2. Wolverine – and Loki – are after an infinity gem. Sorry, stone. Infinity stone, I guess the Infinity War is coming.
>1. Marvel Legacy #1 is narrated by… Valeria Richards. The daughter of Reed and Sue.,..
No.925849
>>925842
I think you missed the most important news.
>Marvel's going to have a weekly Avengers title
They have learned NOTHING.
No.925858
>>925849
Liberals/commies whatever you want to call them are incapable of learning, or self-reflection. It would require them admitting when they are wrong.
No.925875
>>925849
>>925858
This isn't sjw shit. This is classic comic book company greed.
They're dropping all pretense and are now milking the comic shops until they run dry. They have to get all the money they can before the entire market collapses over the loss of them middle market.
No.925878
>>925842
>>3. There is a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire. And by the looks of it, has been for centuries.
Is Marvel going full out Nation of Islam + Scientology? Is there going to be Yakub stand in and flying pyramids?
Besides, how come did Intergalactic civilization managed to hide for so long and didn't show any interest in their home planet?
No.925881
>>925842
>>925878
>There is a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire. And by the looks of it, has been for centuries.
So it's not enough that Wakanda is the greatest most awesomeist country on Marvel Earth, but now it has to be the greatest most awesomeist country in the universe.
This is peak "WEWUZKANGS".
No.925889
>>925875
>this isn't sjw shit
>embrace WE WUZ KANGS without a hint of irony by introducing a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire
No.925891
>>925889
I was talking about the weekly Avengers comic.
No.925900
>>914263
Everything's shit.
No.925901
>>925842
>15. In fact we start with that one. Yes, Wolverine is back, escaped from his adamantium tomb.
Great. Now there's Logan, X-23, Daken, Old Man Logan, and Ultimate Wolverine's kid running around. House of Ideas!
>13. Wilson Fisk is running for mayor of New York. And is ahead in the polls.
More """subtle""" Trump bashing.
>12. Voyager has indeed been retconned into the Avengers earliest adventures. Maybe she can chat about it with Jessica Jones?
I have no idea who Voyager is, but of course they're still forcing female characters in an unnatural way. All tell and no show. They're important, don't question it!
>11. This is SHIELD’s last day – after what went down in Secret Empire, SHIELD is being disbanded and all the agents will be unemployed. or dead
LMDs took it over. Skrulls took it over. But now that they're kind, but not really Nazis SHIELD is done. Buncha faggots.
>10. Sam Wilson and Jane Foster are still totally kissy face, much to Riri Williams’ chagrin. Not sure who she’d prefer to be kissy face with herself though.
Still forcing race mixing and faggots.
>9. Steve Rogers in riding across Americ on his Harley. Somehow both Sam and Steve still have the shield.
Of course. Can't undo their diversity changes without being accused of being racist.
>8. Tony Stark is gone.
Sure. Just like Bendis wants Peter Parker dead so his niglet can be the only Spider-Man. He wants Tony gone so his other niglet can be the only Iron Man.
>5. Norman Osborne still wants magic.
Why?
>3. There is a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire. And by the looks of it, has been for centuries.
We're hitting peak KANGZ here.
>2. Wolverine – and Loki – are after an infinity gem. Sorry, stone. Infinity stone, I guess the Infinity War is coming.
Ugh. Just more movie tie in shit.
No.925936
>>925901
>Wolverine is back, escaped from his adamantium tomb.
I don't pay attention to the x-men. How in the hell did they find enough super rare metal to make a tomb?
No.925943
A Avengers weekly wouldn't be sustainable, mainly because strong-arming readers into following a $3.99 comic four times a month when they might've already been following one Avengers book is a good way to get them to drop it from their lists entirely. It really seems like they're only really doing it to get to the 700th issue milestone faster.
No.925955
>>925842
>Voyager has indeed been retconned into the Avengers earliest adventures
>Sam Wilson and Jane Foster are still totally kissy face, much to Riri Williams’ chagrin. Not sure who she’d prefer to be kissy face with herself though.
>Somehow both Sam and Steve still have the shield.
>There is a Wakandan Intergalactic Empire. And by the looks of it, has been for centuries.
For fuck's sake, Marvel.
No.925956
>>914238
>A lot of it had to do with Marvel’s chincy practices finally reaching a breaking point with fans but the internal editorial spin is that comic shop fans aren’t ready to embrace change.
This is the real story. The diversity push was just the final nail in the coffin and while they're retarded to blame it on hesitance to change, they may ultimately save the diversity push by claiming "the editorial staff was shit we should try it again later!"
No.925957
>and the World Security Council from the movies steps in to assume power over super heroes and everything has Civil War-era overtones with registrations, boot camps, the idea of an Inhuman ban.
I don't follow all this as closely as I should, but isn't this like the 5th time they've done some variation of this idea? I mean between X Men and Civil War and everything over the past few decades this seems like the dominant story arc that nobody wants.
No.925958
>>925842
>Wilson Fisk is running for mayor of New York. And is ahead in the polls.
The current mayor of New York in the Marvel universe is still Mayor Wilhelm (De Blasio). It was mentioned in Gwenpool and according to the Marvel wiki Sam Wilson and X-Men also showed him as mayor. I would honestly take Fisk over Wilhelm. Fisk would have the cops smash all the crime that isn't under his control instead of voicing support for cop killers.
No.925964
>>914240
>Coates is taking over Cap with 700.
No.925966
>>914249
>I think Tom Holland is going to be the new lynchpin for the MCU. They’re not going to have a new “Iron Man” franchise but they’ve got Holland locked into a deal where he’ll teaming up with characters in their own stuff.
u son of a bitch
No.925969
>>925957
>I mean between X Men and Civil War and everything over the past few decades this seems like the dominant story arc that nobody wants.
Nobody wants it when it's handled so poorly that it taints everyone involved (both Civil Wars). Otherwise it's fine. Also:
>>925964
>>925966
Reminder that these "leaks" should be taken with a lot of salt until they come to pass. It's easy to weave a web of bullshit and pass it off as something from an insider.
No.925974
>>925849
Why's the fact it's weekly the sticking point? It's not like the Marvel writers can get any worse regardless of whether they're shitting comics out too fast or not.
No.926012
>>925974
That is the point.
No.926015
>>925974
Who in this day and age will buy a weekly comic that's probably going cost five dollars? Unless Marvel will make it cheap and get more than one writer and penciller working on it, we will get to see new lows of comic writing and art.
If Marvel will do it incompetently, there will be drama. Readers will ditch the book if it's too expensive, quality will be low, or hiatuses will be too frequent or long. Creators will ditch it if Marvel rides them too hard. Either of these two will lead to cancellation and bad PR. It will also give some credibility and ammo to twitter and youtube critics that shit on Marvel to the point that employees plan out doxing campaigns. Stunt like that will also cost Marvel time and money, which might force Disney to do something.
No.926063
>>914249
>We’re just kind of waiting to see Sony’s next steps but there’s kind of like a prep for nostalgia for the Raimi trajection in terms of MJ & college.
Hahahahahahahahaha
No.926065
>>919011
At least WCW's last shows before it died were brilliantly bad. I get sick from reading Marvel's latest stuff.
No.926072
>>925974
>>926015
It's also a sign that Marvel will continue to oversaturate the market with too much product. They're literally killing shops with that bullshit.
No.926079
>>925974
>>926015
>Why's the fact it's weekly the sticking point?
>Who in this day and age will buy a weekly comic that's probably going cost five dollars?
Comic shops are going to be the ones buying it, which is why the weekly shit is sticking point.
I can just imagine a comic shop looking at the weekly Avengers book and thinking "Why the fuck are you doing this to me?" They're already struggling as it is, and now Marvel is going to hit them with comics they're going to have to buy every. fucking. week.
That's why I said Marvel has given up and are now just milking the shops as hard as they can. They're going to squeeze those tits until they look like bloody, deflated balloons.
No.926110
Didn't want to make another thread about this, but is Marvel seriously doing another event right after they just finished with their last one?
No.926118
>>926110
Is this just another excuse to show off how much better the diversity versions of the heroes are?
No.926121
>>926118
I assumed it's Marvel trying to pull a Rebirth out of their ass.
No.926124
>>926121
If it is a Rebirth it might actually be good. But I ain't betting on it.
No.926132
>>926118
Look at the image again
>Steve Rogers as Cap, not Captain Falcon
>Tony Stark instead of the nigger retard
>Janet as Wasp, not their GRRRLS IN STEM unreadable flop
>Thor is Thor, and not Whor
>Peter as Spidey, not Miles Morales
>Lockjaw is there as the token Inhuman, but Ms Muslim is nowhere to be seen
>Carol's hair is longer and more feminine, instead of the usually punky dyke cut she's had for the past few years
>Banner Hulk, not Chink hulk
If this is what Legacy will be, it's a giant desperate attempt to return to status quo and beg for readers to return.
No.926136
>>926124
>>926121
I just finished Legacy, and I was basically correct. It's a longer, yet watered down version of Rebirth. In almost every way.
There's a narration stretching across the entire comic. Lots of different story angles being set up. A few returning characters mentioned. Wolverine is back from the dead (and it's left unexplained as to how he was broken out of the adamantium).
I get what they were trying to do, but I think they missed the mark. I can't quite put my finger on why. It *felt* longer than Rebirth, but not in a good way. It didn't really feel exciting. It was being told from Valeria Richards perspective, and they're heavily hinting at the return of the Fantastic 4, but it just… Wasn't exciting. I wasn't able to recognize the coloring of her narration boxes as belonging to her, so the entire time, I wasn't sure who was giving this speech.. Then, they end up undercutting any feeling of "this is amazing" with young siblings talking smack to each other.
Oh, and despite Riri being "smarter than Tony", she doesn't even know the catchphrase "Avengers Assemble". It was supposed to be funny I guess, but if anything, it just shows me that Marvel still doesn't want to take themselves seriously any more.
At the end it was just lame.
No.926137
fatmerican superhero comics should be nuked along with the rest of fatmerica
No.926147
No.926155
>>926136
Just read it. Yep, it's Rebirth. Next issue of Whor is 'The Death of Thor' but I'll be truly surprised if they actually do get rid of Jane and give Thor back his actual name and hammer. It does look like they're bringing back the Fantastic 4, and all the other original characters.
Now we wait to see if they'll actually go through with it, because I still doubt the writers at Marvel.
Art was good though.
>Oh, and despite Riri being "smarter than Tony", she doesn't even know the catchphrase "Avengers Assemble".
I hate Riri. They tell us she's one of the smartest people in the world, but are seemingly never capable of Showing it. Also, why is she sulking in the panel where Whor and Falcon are kissing? Maybe Riri hates miscegenation as much as I do?
>>926147
What have I missed because I keep seeing people say
>Hey /tv/
And I don't get whatever this is.
No.926165
>>914238
>They can’t afford to take the classic characters off the table like that for so long but they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court.
Why the fuck would they care at all about the "diverse audience"? Sales clearly show that they "diverse audience" they've been catering to was not enough to keep them successful, if such an audience ever existed in the first place.
When are those dumb as fuck suits at the top going to bite the bullet, admit that affirmative action nigger heroes and unappealing women heroes don't sell and go back to what worked?
I always hear people say that corporations and business men don't care about politics or social justice, that they care only about money. Well the actions of many corporations around the world seem to contradict that, Marvel seems perfectly content to dig their grave as long as the shovel they use is diverse enough.
No.926201
>>926155
>people
It's one turbo autist trying to force a meme and possibly trying to stir up interboard drama as well.
He's been doing this shit for months and most of us just ignore him.
Report the faggot and keep posting as usual.
No.926216
>>926165
>When are those dumb as fuck suits at the top going to bite the bullet, admit that affirmative action nigger heroes and unappealing women heroes don't sell and go back to what worked?
Admitting fault in their shitty and scummy strategies is tantamount to admitting they're incompetent and ridiculously out-of-touch with what readers and retailers actually want. Why do you think there's been so much deflection on Marvel's part to make it the market's fault nobody's buying into their bullshit.
>I always hear people say that corporations and business men don't care about politics or social justice, that they care only about money. Well the actions of many corporations around the world seem to contradict that, Marvel seems perfectly content to dig their grave as long as the shovel they use is diverse enough.
None of the suits (Perlmutter's Inhuman/anti-Fox boner aside) seem to care how things are done as long as the money's coming in. All the SJW bullshit is coming from the editorial end of things.
No.926228
>>926216
>None of the suits (Perlmutter's Inhuman/anti-Fox boner aside) seem to care how things are done as long as the money's coming in.
The money hasn't been coming in for years now and yet they've shown staunch resistance to changing their strategies. Clearly they don't care about money that much if they're continuing to let a failing strategy fail.
No.926231
>>926228
>The money hasn't been coming in for years now and yet they've shown staunch resistance to changing their strategies.
>implying this is a new thing
Holy shit. Did you just get into comics yesterday?
No.926240
You know, as much as I'd love Marvel Comics just to start profiting off reprints of 60s-80s stuff only and just not doing new stuff, I'd say they've been on a permanent state of crisis since their foundation as Marvel. Even when Stan Lee started writing the classic stuff, like Spiderman or the FF, the company then known as Marvel was in a creative crisis, just making trite monster of the week shit. Then you have the problems which led to Kirby's going to DC, the problems in the 80s, the problems in the 90s, the problems in the 00s, and the problems in the 10s. When will Marvel not be in trouble? Why are they like this? I mean DC has had its share of problems too, but they manage to keep it cool (not to mention they can game the system in more ways than just by making comics, see: how the Code was heavily skewed in their favor).
No.926242
>>926155
The smartest person in the Marvel Universe is Moon Girl, who is a fucking retard who doesn't even understand why no one trusts a grade schooler with wacky toy gadgets to be a superhero.
No.926434
What, insulting le ebil Drumpf while fellating our lord and saviour Trudeau did not work?
SHOCKING
No.926448
>>926201
Oh. I'm not surprised. Very well then.
>>926242
Moon Girl fucking sucks. It's yet another attempt by Marvel writers Telling us that their new black female is the smartest and completely failing to Show us.
No.926464
>>926434
Old news is old Anon.
No.926484
>>926242
>>926448
>Moon Girl's great "smart" moment is being ridiculed for saying the theory of evolution isn't a theory
>Instead of being ridiculed for saying that mankind was forcibly evolved by the Celestials for some unknown experiment
Mainstream comics just can't make smart characters anymore. It's all palatable mush to appeal to the lowest common denominator: emotional drama fags.
I mean, hell, Batman doesn't even do detective work anymore.
No.926515
>>926464
It's the same jackasses destroying our culture. Still relevant.
No.926531
>>926515
>It's the same jackasses destroying our culture.
>comics
>culture
Son, comics have been raped so many times that it's long since stopped being our culture. Now it's nothing but crappy events and variant covers.
Have fun fighting over corporate IPs in an attempt to get Marvel and DC to pander to your demographic.
No.926564
Supposedly some comic shops are either selling Marvel Legacy #1 at a discounted price or literally giving them away for free in a bid to get customers back on the Marvel bandwagon. Sales are so shit for them that they'll eat the costs if there's a chance at getting people to buy Marvel (and other comics).
No.926640
>>926484
>I mean, hell, Batman doesn't even do detective work anymore.
Thank, you somebody that realizes being a super scientist doesn't make you a detective.
No.926665
/co/ucks IQs were too low to conceive of any way to stop this from happening. Now it's happening and everyone's acting like "maybe we should do something now that it's too late!"
Enjoy your dead cape industry, rot in piss, I won't miss it.
No.926698
>>926564
It shows some desperation, sure, but I don't see it as a true indicator as to the state of the industry. Free samples are free samples.
No.926706
>>926665
>/co/ucks
From the people who brought you "cumskin" comes the newest, clunkiest and unfunniest meme yet!
No.926711
>>926079
Can't shops just stop buying Marvel shit and live out of Magic cards and manga?
No.926713
>>926564
Can't they just sign up with DC instead and leave Marvel to die?
No.926717
>>915894
I don't care about the Fantastic Four at all but that page alone makes me want to read more.
No.926721
>>926665
>Enjoy your dead cape industry, rot in piss, I won't miss it.
I fucking wish.
>>926711
>>926713
Oh fuck no. Despite their current problems, Marvel is still one of two major publishers in the industry. Sales of Marvel products remain half of the backbone that keeps the entire industry afloat.
The shops dropping Marvel would be like you sawing yourself in half. You wouldn't live that long after doing it, and neither would they.
No.926731
>>926484
Even though emotional drama is all these fags know. they still missed the easiest emotional angle for Mooncricket that might had made for some kind likeable character.
You have a smart kid, who because she's not challenged in class, is disconnected from everyone around her. She doesn't do well in school and no one really pays attention to her. It isn't until a happy accident that she finds Devil Dino and decides to become a superhero around her area. You give her small fun adventures that challenge her in a way class never could. She gets to cobble together fun kid-like gadgets and grow her pool of skills. And because she has this outlet, she slowly comes out of her shell. She makes friends and starts doing better at school. Then you can do your standard family/school drama stuff too. But the point being, she could grow and have fun adventures without being an awful cunt.
But that's not how it is. She's lecturing the teacher right off the back. Everyone knows her, everyone knows she's smart. And we know this, because everyone says so. Look how she rolls her eyes every time a boy in her class speaks! She's so strong! She has to have wanted to be a superhero and worked towards it, because in CURRENT YEAR all females characters have to be active in everything. She solves a never before seen toy puzzle designed by Bruce Banner that we're told no one else could solve. She doesn't even struggle with it, she just solves it in 2 panels. That's how she became the smartest person in the MU. Doesn't matter that her being the smartest undercuts her supposed to be fun gadgets or goofy outfit, she has a meaningless title. There's no character growth, no struggling, no true moments of weakness, never being outclassed, etc. She's just the best at everything!
When standard emotional drama takes a backseat to virtue signalling you've entered a new realm of faggotry.
No.926777
>>914980
I want to write a book where everyone with too much melanin get killed by a disease. The disease could be called the black plague.
No.926785
>>926777
Fukkin Checked my friend!
No.926787
>>914281
>We probably will reach the point where we will see Disney power drill the Comics Department's ass with a spike dildo
I look forward to that.
>>914295
>No mention of Gwenpool
I agree with >>914319, I hope that Hastings and Gurihiru get to finish off Gwen with some class and then that'll be it for her character as far as I'm concerned. I can then ignore future stories about her if Marvel decides to milk her dry. I am ok with one-off stories, but not if the artwork is awful.
I lost my desire to read characters get rebooted ad nauseum a long time ago. The nips can get pretty bad with this as their editorial teams push stories well past the point where they should have ended. This was especially true for Naruto, but there are artists like Kubo who dragged their feet for over a decade and then got fucked in the end by editorial. I've enjoyed plenty of the random Batman comics like the one where he takes down the villain Faceless, who was just some random guy who lost his shit one day and started killing those that he thought had wronged him in some way. Of course, he's no match for Batman and quickly gets his shit pushed in by the Bat in the second book, but it did show that there is plenty going on in Gotham and Batman isn't just sitting in his cave waiting for someone out of his normal rogue gallery to do something.
>>914707
>If this shit was true, it would confirm that Marvel is in a shittier spot then they let on, just like with the VP diversity statement. And rather then right the course they would steer the ship straight into the rocks to save face in front of SJW lynch mob and the tumblr hacks they hire
I do hope Marvel comics goes down in flames over this. However, it'll just mean that the mouse either fires them and relocates or it just closes it down and puts Marvel comics in the vault for a while.
>>914980
Why doesn't that center kang have any genitalia?
>>915684
It's retarded, because the only people with melanin deficiency are albinos. However, I see that universe as the blaxploitation universe from the description given.
>>925849
As >>925875 mentioned, Marvel comics is trying to milk as much money as it can before the Mouse realizes how much money it can save by cutting them off.
>>926721
>Sales of Marvel products remain half of the backbone that keeps the entire industry afloat.
Is that why comic shops have pretty big manga and tcg sections? It would make sense that they have to make money somehow and wouldn't the failure of Marvel put their shops in jeopardy regardless of them continuing to buy Marvel's garbage? There has to be a point for shops where buying from Marvel isn't much different from dropping them and I wonder what that is and if we'll ever see it. I would assume so based on everything I've been reading.
No.926809
>>925901
>House of Ideas!
Now if they let their powers combine into one giant claw covered monstrosity.
>Daken
How the hell; he was the one thing both sides could agree to hate.
>>925901
>LMDs took it over. Skrulls took it over. But now that they're kind, but not really Nazis SHIELD is done
I'm happy they're done with SHIELD since they keep forcing them all over the place; I just hope they kill Coulson permadead while they're doing it.
>>925936
I'm more interested in why anyone would want to get his skeleton since if I remember correctly there was no meat left on it and he lost his powers beforehand.
>>926136
>they're heavily hinting at the return of the Fantastic 4
They're gonna make the kids gay with Powerpack; cementing this as their "New 52" phase.
>>926434
If you punch; you lose.
No.926825
>>925878
>earthworm jim.jpg
No.926861
>>914281
>We probably will reach the point where we will see Disney power drill the Comics Department's ass with a spike dildo.
The thing that scares both DC and Marvel is the prospect of "going into reprints". Just Warner threatening that was enough for DC to rush out the Nu52. It's a mortal terror for them.
"Going into reprints" is essentially condemning the company to a living death. Their staff is cut down to almost a skeleton crew. They're output is reduced to one, maybe two, new titles a year, and the vast majority of their product becomes reprints of their old material. It's a massive downsize that puts a lot of people out of a job.
If Disney were to fuck Marvel hard, that would be the hardest they possibly could.
>>926787
>Is that why comic shops have pretty big manga and tcg sections?
The comics business has been bad for years, ever since the Great Comics Crash of 1993. The market has been getting smaller and smaller, and they haven't been getting any new blood in to replace the old blood going out. It's a sad, bizarre business.
However, for shops to completely drop Marvel, not only would Marvel have to fail pretty hard, like "down to 20% of the industry" hard, lost all of their cultural relevance, and there would have to be significant alternatives for shops to invest in that would bring equivalent sales.
So no, it's really unlikely that we'll ever see that happen.
No.927195
Reading all this makes me laugh at all the idiots who thought they were gonna save Marvel by bitching about their shitty writers on Twitter.
Face it, mainstream comics are dead, nothing will save them.
No.927202
>>927195
>implying anyone here wanted to save Marvel
>implying everyone wasn't actually rooting it for to crash and burn.
No.929643
>>927195
It's just leftovers of gamergate who haven't realized they didn't accomplish anything.
No.929653
>>926861
I think there's be more than 2 titles, but it would all be because of Wonder Woman situations where they have to keep printed to keep owning it.
No.929658
>>926809
>They're gonna make the kids gay with Powerpack; cementing this as their "New 52" phase.
That would require serious age fuckery. Vallery is like double digit years apart from Julie in age, and Katie isn't that much closer
No.929819
>>914250
>>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place.
Suuuurree there wasn't. Keep letting these people stab you, then say "oops I didn't see you there." and you buy their bullshit. This is an attack. This is what leftists do, passive aggressive little bullshit attacks, then when you freak out about it they try to spin things like you're the problem for being upset.
No.929824
>>914644
So you're saying he turned out to be a brocktease?
No.929830
>>915843
Classic Mark Waid moment. Highly advise checking out that F4 run. Also one of the last books done by the late, great Mike Wieringo.
Tho I haven't read comics in awhile and heard Waid's gone full poz nowadays.
No.929906
>>926721
>The shops dropping Marvel would be like you sawing yourself in half. You wouldn't live that long after doing it, and neither would they.
It's time to let it all go. Let the industry crash. We can always let the Japanese take over the market. Communism will kill comics anyway.
No.930383
>>914250
>There was no plan to replace all the “white men” its just how the pieces fell into the place. Honestly, the Riri thing was the tipping point. It was Bendis’ idea, no one in editorial had a big plan for it and it hurt the big post-Secret Wars push to make Tony Stark the franchise of the MU.
Gee, it's almost like it's the editors' job to approve the content in a comic book so that it's consistent with the creative vision.
>>929819
<"pieces fell into the place."
>Suuuurree there wasn't.
Exactly. Although, it's possible the editors have less power at Marvel than the beloved writers because clique culture is required for effective thought policing.
No.930431
>>930383
Marvel literally has no editors anymore. If they had, the Ardian Syaf incident wouldn't have happened.
>>930418
I saw the digital numbers, Legacy was third place at launch and was being beaten by Saga, an Indie title no less. And by the second week, it was gone.
No.930480
>>930418
>LOOK! LOOK! "SJW" MARVEL'S BOOK WAS A BESTSELLER!
Well, yeah, it was a major event book with a bunch of core Marvel characters on the cover. People see it in the store and think "Wow! This must be important!" It isn't even that much of an "SJW" book.
Look at sales for America and Hellcat if you wanna see how "SJW" books sell.
No.930481
>>930480
A #1 issue of a big overhyped event selling well is hardly news. #1 issues are often the only high-selling issue of any series run. Now that people have read it, the real test is if sales will hold up for #2 and onward.They won't.
No.930485
>>930480
They still haven't been canceled yet?
No.930502
>>930431
>If they had, the Ardian Syaf incident wouldn't have happened.
The what now?
>>930485
>They still haven't been canceled yet?
I really hope Marvel dies in the comic book space and the industry dies with it. It really needs a phoenix moment to truly be of worth to society.
No.930517
>>930502
Syaf was an Indonesian artist hired by Marvel to work on X-Men Gold. Indonesia, is a Muslim-majority country, and there is a controversy going right now over there about a Chinese-Christian governor being tried for blasphemy and Syaf was among the people asking for him to be executed. So, seeing how Marvel writers and artists were allowed to get away with any bullshit and him being a Muslim means he is lower in the oppression racket, he decided to sneak in some subliminal messages in X-Men: Gold artwork. Among these include inserting a Quran passage in Colossus' shirt saying that Muslims should not befriend Jews or Christians, the number 212 referencing the protests against said Christian governor and the words "jewelry" next to Kitty Pryde's head which easily read as "jewry". While Christian bashing is fine with Marvel, anti-Semitism is not, and his status as a shitskin did not protect him from being sacked. Furthermore, he made sure his career was over by further blaming the Jews in control at Marvel and Disney for the termination of his job, and now no one else will want to hire the Kuffar Killing Kommando. The point relevant to the editorial is that this incident would have easily not happened if an attentive editor noticed these details in the artwork and would have called out Syaf before it was published.
No.930534
>>930517
>entire incident
Yikes
No.930542
>>930485
>They still haven't been canceled yet?
Hellcat ended months ago.
America is selling less than 10k last I checked. It's on it's way to cancellation after it has enough issues to put out a TPB.
No.930546
>>930542
>someone remembered the TPB part of cancellation
I cannot tell you how happy that makes me.
Though, technically America sold 9,137 units last month, so it has a further 3,000 or so sales to lose before it gets into shit-canning territory.
No.930553
>>930546
Holy shit, I remember when >20k was cancellation territory. Are things that bad?
No.930562
>>930553
It's been that way for a while. I think what's going on is that Marvel's top books sell enough to cover the cost of producing the lower selling books, making the lower selling books pure profit to produce.
Either way though, yes, things are that bad, and are getting worse. Not only did the sjw boom not solve the dwindling readership problem, but it's becoming more apparent that the market for mid-tier comics (comics that aren't high sellers or low sellers) is collapsing.
Unless those problems get solved, we're in for a fun time.
No.930566
>>930418
<this hyped up #1 that featured classic characters on the cover that Marvel said would be the return of the old guard did well!
<antisjws BTFO
There's being a faggot and then there's being a niggerfaggot.
>>930553
It used to be. I think it's been lowered in part because they pay their writers and artists like shit. Compare Mockingbird to Hellcat. Both SJW cancer titles, but Mockingbird was written by someone whose main gig is writing novels while Hellcat was written by a scumbag leech just glad to have her name on a book. The writer of Mockingbird, whose name I can't be bothered to look up, knows what her time is worth and her book was canceled at 8. I want to say it had better numbers than Hellcat too. Meanwhile, Leth who is willing to work for peanuts and a mouth load of cum, went on for more than double that.
The Leths and Gabby Riveras are all too happy to just push their faggot shit and be able to say "you're just jealous that I get to write for Marvel" that they've lowered their own value.
No.930581
>>930542
>>930546
>>930553
>>930562
If TPB and bookstore sale numbers are high enough, Marvel might keep the book around. That's supposedly why Squirrel Girl and Moongirl are still going. Considering that even most SJWs and Reddit/Twitter capefags consider book bad, that probably won't happen.
Here's also a post from Jim Zub's blog. It talks about how his floppies sell like shit and don't even turn a profit, but TPBs make up for it enough to make comics his fulltime job and pay co-creators full rates for art, colors, and inking.
http://archive.is/38Fhc
No.930610
>>930542
>Hellcat ended months ago.
I knew I should have screen capped it at the time, but in this comic collector group I rarely visit some dude talked about how he was able to sell Hellcat variants for $50 to old, cat herding, spinsters after news of it being cancelled.
No.930611
>>930581
> If TPB and bookstore sale numbers are high enough, Marvel might keep the book around. That's supposedly why Squirrel Girl and Moongirl are still going.
I think another part of it is probably just to avoid the negative press. If they started cancelling every failing title and fired every the cancerous writers and artists that made them, there'd be no end of feminist screeching about how Marvel now hates women and minorities, and has chosen to pander to the alt-right. They must figure it's better business to keep a few money sinks on than to upset the hive.
No.930625
>>915924
The thing is that Marvel wrote themselves into a collective corner on the science front since everything has been done already.
I mean, what is there left to invent? Omnipotence has already been achieved. Reality warping is done and dusted. There's nowhere left to go, every disease is curable and every technology is already inventable, because they refused to restrict the writers in terms of "shit that flies in the MU" and "shit that doesn't". And that's why it becomes completely ridiculous to have say, Spiderman's aunt dying of a gunshot wound, when you've got hundreds of super-geniuses who could solve that in moments with no effort on their part.
No.930653
>>930610
>The audience for Hellcat has been discovered
>Senile cat ladies
Those letter pages were REAL!
No.930750
>>930517
Does he still work for DC?
No.930762
>>926434
are they going to continue the comic were trump is the president and she has to deal with it?
No.930765
>>930431
>Marvel literally has no editors anymore.
Actually they do have editors, just no one worth a damn since they fired most of the old guard years ago. Leaving ass-kissers like Brevoort and Lowe to steer the ship with glorified interns working under them.
>>930625
>that's why it becomes completely ridiculous to have say, Spiderman's aunt dying of a gunshot wound, when you've got hundreds of super-geniuses who could solve that in moments with no effort on their part.
Aunt May getting shot wasn't ridiculous because it was easy to fix, it was ridiculous because contrived excuses were made as to why nobody could/would heal her. Spidey being a fugitive didn't help.
>>930750
Unlikely. He snuck some Islam/Indonesian references in his work with them as well. It didn't raise a fuss then, but now that it's become a issue I doubt they'd open themselves to more trouble by giving him work.
No.930987
>>930625
Nice post anon. They really have robbed their world of any dramatic weight. It doesn't help that Marvel never addresses this either. They still try to make it like our world, and it fails. Either craft a world where it's a utopia of health and technology or explain why these god tier heroes hog the knowledge to themselves. I'm sick of crap that falls apart under the slightest bit of analysis.
No.930988
>>930769
I guess she souldn't let them to the polls… :^)
No.931001
>>930769
>Leads people to the polls
>They all voted for Trump
No.932038
>>930418
Can you say double down?
No.932041
>>932038
>>932039
I made the mistake of reading this trash. Everyone involved is pathetic. Everyone.
Including you, faggot.
No.932125
>>930765
>Actually they do have editors, just no one worth a damn since they fired most of the old guard years ago.
So basically the same thing as no editors since they don't do their job.
>He snuck some Islam/Indonesian references in his work with them as well. It didn't raise a fuss then, but now that it's become a issue I doubt they'd open themselves to more trouble by giving him work.
Whoa shit, I didn't knew this. What kind of shit did he say in DC?
No.932127
>>932038
>Kwanza Osajyefo
This is the guy that wrote Black, that comic book about black people having superpowers.
No.932137
>>932038
>there's a whole new audience emerging
There isn't. The audience has been getting smaller and smaller at an alarming rate, which is why Marvel, especially, is turning to more sales gimmicks than they've ever done in any similar period of time.
No.932200
No shit, Slott is addicted to Twitter and way too busy pre-occupied by political derangement syndrome.
No.932204
>>932200
Although there is actually nothing wrong with having a political opinion. He just may need to find a balance and find a zen place outside of reactionary politics.
No.932210
>>932127
Yes. Which is why he needs to include manga in his numbers to have a point. He points out women and nigs buy manga to try and guilt shops into ordering his crap. But the kids buying manga don't want American comics, they want manga. And they don't want western attempts at manga either. And they certainly don't want WE WUZ CAPES AND SHET. He knows it, shops know it, and everyone here knows it. This is just a sad attempt to be relevant like every retarded faggot who thinks comicgate is or will ever be a thing.
No.932222
>>932038
>Thor Odinson
She's actually called that? Have they done the tiniest amount of research into how ancient Scandinavian names work? Hell, did they even do he tiniest amount of GUESSWORK into how ancient Scandinavian names work?
ODIN'S SON. It's right there!
(…I did also learn that, while people in many countries will struggle with more than about 5 generations, Icelandic people can trace their family tree back a thousand years like it's no big deal).
No.932223
>>932222
Jane Foster is Thor, while the real "unworthy" Thor was renamed Odinson. It's still retarded. In the off chance they finally come through on their promise to kill Jane from the cancer she's had for 5 years now, Thor might soon get to use his actual name again. But I doubt it, that would require Marvel to not be retarded.
No.932232
>>932223
I think Whor may actually be killed off based on pic related. 9 fucking variant covers.
No.932233
>>932232
Yeah, but for how long? They'll let Jason Aaron wrap his story up and end his run, but Whor has been everything Marvel has been trying again and again to do with Carol and all the other diversity characters. Except it worked, relatively.
Marvel before the SJWs barely let anyone stay dead. They'll drag this bitch back for the some Secret Invasion 2 event next year.
No.932235
>>914254
>Editorial should know by now that the diversity shit was a bad PR stunt that did not affect sales
It did affect sales but in the wrong direction.
>>932038
>1st screencap
>"these readers are more diverse […] they are getting their books from a much wider range of channels that we typically think of for comics"
Then how come the sales are so low? :^)
>kwanza kikongo
Is that a real name? I thought it was a made up holiday.
No.932238
>>932127
>that comic book about black people having superpowers.
What a unique and original concept. I can't believe nobody has ever thought of that. Ever.
>>932210
>But the kids buying manga don't want American comics, they want manga.
I don't think that's entirely true. I believe it's more that they expect certain standards when buying comics, but the paragons of western comics (Marvel and DC) aren't meeting that criteria, which drags the entire medium down.
No.932243
>>914980
I love how two of those are just "Black Dr.Strange", and "Black Giant Man"
No.932250
>>914980
>In an alternate realty very similar to our own, the Apollo 13 spacecraft successfully lands on the moon. Unfortunately, a small virus attaches itself to the suit of an astronaut and is brought back to Earth. Within weeks the virus kills all those with a 'melanin deficiency' or those with light skin. Because of this it becomes known as the White Plague, and leaves this world devoid of heroes. The Avengers are gone. The Fantastic Four disappear. The X-Men, all dead.
I can't imagine why this wasn't picked up.
Seriously, if Marvel was as SJW as fags here think it is, this would've been green lighted in a heartbeat. Son of a bitch.
No.932298
>>932238
That is not even close to what Black is about. The comic is about the fact black people always had superpowers, but they were being repressed by white people all through out history to not exhibit their powers. Its some how even kangzest than Black Panther.
No.932301
>>932235
>Is that a real name? I thought it was a made up holiday.
Nope, its another Kang.
No.932303
>>932298
That reeks of Americentrism.
No.932319
>>932301
Now I really want Marvel to put Kang in a movie and have a black guy play him.
No.932394
>>932319
They probably would do that.
No.932402
>>932303
You reek of Amerisemen
No.932420
>>932250
Give them a few weeks the first issue might be out then.
No.932421
This is really going to help Marvel's sales
No.932428
>>932298
But black giant mans description says he took ant mans formula. His powers are pretty much just stolen from hank pym.
No.932447
>>932238
>But the kids buying manga don't want American comics, they want manga.
>I don't think that's entirely true.
No, it is. Marvel could come out with a Naruto knockoff with the same art, in the same format, only with superior writing and for a cheaper price tomorrow, and none of them would touch it with a shitty stick, because it wasn't made by Japs.
No.932552
>>932250
>if Marvel was as SJW as fags here think it is, this would've been green lighted in a heartbeat
That would imply it was proposed during nu-Age Marvel.
>>932298
How do you suppress those stronger than you?
>>932319
If it wasn't for Disney knowing better; they would've used him as an anti villain about changing history being good.
>>932428
Who hasn't stolen from Hank Pym?
>>932447
The weebs would think that way but not everyone would look the other way and then there's the chance it becomes a meme.
No.932557
>>932421
>Don't defend yourself! Just listen to what we say about you and reflect on it like a good boy.
Is she talking to a man or her dog?
No.932569
>>932447
This completely. I read some manga and even collect Adam Warren's Dirty Pair, which has a serious manga feel to it, especially since it's a franchise based on an anime and a manga, and I would not buy Americanized manga. None of my friends would and we like both manga and comics. What Marvel could potentially do is get the rights to localize and publish manga, but considering the state of their company, their localizations will be a massive bastardization like what's happening to weeb vidcons right now.
No.932590
Here are the cancelled ongoing titles in the four months into Legacy.
>>932200
Anyway his only other comic at this moment, Silver Surfer (drawn by the ever-busy Mike Allred), will have its very definitely final issue released next week.
No.932595
>>932590
>Here are the cancelled ongoing titles in the four months into Legacy.
They're still drawing this shit out. Because Uncanny Avengers and USAvengers are all part of some Avenger weekly crossover. It's rumored that Jason Aaron and Essad Ribic are taking over the main Avengers book afterwards.
No.932923
>>932595
>Jason Baron
Ohhhh boy
No.932950
>>932590
Allred hasn't been elusive at all as of late. He elected to do a "Bug!"/"Forager" series for Young Animal, because he got sick of waiting for Slott's Silver Surfer scripts.
I hope at least a fraction of SS fans realize that the actual reason why the series got canceled is directly because of Dan Slott lacking the self-control to stay off of Twitter. The series got delayed, sales plummeted, and Allred went to look for work elsewhere, all because Danny Slott can't stop arguing with fans and talking about Tonald Dump for 16 hours a day.
>>932595
>It's rumored that Jason Aaron and Essad Ribic are taking over the main Avengers book afterwards.
If it was 2012 Aaron/Ribic, I'd be ecstatic. Instead Jason Aaron will write Company Man caliber garbage and whichever Thor(s) will be in it will be insufferably talking about "massive quantities of MEAD!" every issue.
Ribic won't last four issues. He couldn't even do the Legacy one-shot with five+ months of lead time.>Silver Surfer (drawn by the ever-busy Mike Allred)
No.934574
>>931001
>>Leads people to the polls
>>They all voted for Trump
Oh fuck!
No.934575
>>930625
There was a Marvel series called Big Town that addressed this issue, why Marvel bigwigs like Tony and Reed don't share their tech with the Marvel universe as a whole. Have the issues around here somewhere but have never gotten around to actually reading them. Looked semi-interesting at least, might have to dig those back up.
No.934601
>>932421
>Don't defend yourself even if they are false accussations.
>Just reflect about the made up crimes we accusse you for.
No.934647
Moviebob and joe glass would love this guy.
No.934696
>>934647
I'm an indie comic book creator. I do the story, the art, the pencils, the inks, the screentoning, and the colors. My stuff was picked up by Comixology and I'm currently finishing up the sixth issue of my series which is essentially no different than the shit you'd expect a vanity book press to put out.
It's a story that I think is good, with characters that I happen to think are interesting. I don't care about if you think the story is interesting or if my characters are interesting; this is all about me doing what I want. I admit this, I enjoy what I do purely because I enjoy doing it.
Comixology pays quarterly. On average I earn about $15 per quarter in sales. That's not a typo. Fifteen dollars.
I have a day job so I can indulge myself creating shit that, let's be honest here, nobody else wants to read, much less pay for. Now look at Kwanza whatshisface is saying here and look how all those idiots at Marvel are acting and, I'm preaching to the choir here. Any idiot can see why they're tanking. Let them. The sooner they're gone, the quicker the comic book industry will recover.
No.934708
>>934647
>Interesting and engaging works
<That no one is interested or engaged in
No.935360
>>934575
When you find them can you storytime them?
No.936523
>>934696
Unless the idiot is named Kwamza
No.937133
>>934708
Brains ain't his strong suit