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No.1030202
When a kike from EncylopediaDramatics pulls this shit I have to say "well done", also we need the fucker's contacts.
No.1030236
Makes that whole PUA ep of Gravity Falls shine in a new light.
No.1030281
I remember listening to a stream where a chick was detailing how some of the cunts behind the crunchyroll desaster fauxnime successfully positioned themselves as to gatekeep entry into the industry.
No.1030283
>>1030202
>no webm
>not even a redirect
>more eceleb trash
I aint clicking that shit.
No.1030288
>>1030285
See that wasnt so difficult.
No.1030294
I'm glad this finally has a thread on 8/co/, because holy shit, 4/co/ is so fucking neutered when talking about this.
No.1030295
>>1030283
here's the tl;dw
>The CalArts clique is unprofessional as fuck
>Stolen ideas, plagiarism, and poor communication at every level
>They're all fucking each other
>They all have STDs because of this
>Nepotism is rampant throughout the clique, with many of them only getting promoted and landing their own shows because they were fucking Alex Hirsch
>Whole bunch of shit about Alex Hirsch being fucking disgusting and psychotic
>petty in-fighting over who can virtue signal the hardest
>Despite being told to tone down the gay shit repeatedly, they slipped it into their shows anyways, in some cases when storyboard artists went unchecked
>take all the worst things you've ever assumed or heard about cliques of SJWs in positions of power and it's apparently true for the animation industry now
No.1030296
>>1030202
This guy has a pretty bad speaking voice, repeats himself awkwardly, and might as well have just left the screen black. Interesting information though.
No.1030298
>>1030294
>4/co/ is so fucking neutered when talking about this.
>going to cuckchan at all
No.1030300
No.1030303
>>1030302
Invidus is fine for now but webming is more important, youtube shat the bed the other day and no one was able to access anything.
No.1030305
>>1030302
Either download the video with some tool or go the dindu way and just type "ss" before "youtube".
No.1030306
>>1030303
I suppose things could be condensed down to the size of a postage stamp with the sound preserved, but it's still a 30 minute video.
No.1030308
>>1030302
Invidus do jack shit, exactly as hooktube or any other meme video they shill this week…. either webm it or post the jewtube embed and one anon will do it after calling you a faggot
No.1030309
The comic and cartoon industry needs a hard crash already. Both industries are so full of problems destroying the productions they're creating.
No.1030310
>>1030296
It's a shame that this sort of thing has to be done by a faggot like EZ PZ and his mushmouthed, amateur bullshit. Not that drama critics are really all that good regardless, but it would be nice to hear this sort of info from someone who doesn't sound like they've got a dick tickling the back of their throat.
No.1030321
It's been many years since I watched AT, is that AT season 1 being of a lower quality true?
One inaccuracy of that video is that Daron Nancy isn't the first female show runner for Disney, the creator of Pepper Ann is.
No.1030343
>>1030339
It's incestuous as hell. They love to claim that not all of them went to CalArts as a defense for their faggotry, but the vast majority of their storyboard artists did, and unsurprisingly, a big reason why these shows look like shit is because the storyboards are so awful.
No.1030350
>>1030339
what about nuPPG?
No.1030360
>>1030202
Why doesn't he distort the guy's voice or at least attempt to verify some of the claims? Most of what he says is pretty believable as far as the animators either being psychotic, beta, or just terrible, but it would be better to have something as evidence to what's being said rather than just "I was told this is true by a guy I have to keep anonymous so it's probably true.
No.1030363
>>1030298
Not the other anon, but there is actually at least one board that I've been going to as a result of the terrible state 8chan is in. I wouldn't have even known if it weren't for my snooping around warosu for images.
No.1030392
>>1030350
literally outsourced to no-name interns as their first real job as a cheap and easy way for CN to milk a popular merchandising property.
No.1030413
>>1030350
Monkey with a typewriter.
No.1030436
>>1030343
What the fuck is on that whiteboard.
Do not tell me that is meant to be a storyboard because I've done better shitscribbles playing pictionary at Christmas after my sixth glass of rum.
No.1030498
>>1030339
I do not get why EZ PZ makes out how one person working on one show creating another is part of some tinfoil Illuminati conspiracy. Stephen Hillenburg got his start as a show runner by working on Rocko's Modern Life and GreenBlatt who worked on SpongeBob made Chowder.
No.1030506
>>1030498
Because EZ PZ is a bit of a pretentious retard who unironically believes in the 'enlightened centrist' meme. However, what's notable isn't that these people worked together. That's pretty standard. You work under someone else in the industry to build your resume and make connections in the industry. What is notable about this with the CalArts clique is just how many of these people were straight up fucking their way to the top. Talentless, unproven, amateurs and hacks getting shoved to the top of the shit heap and handed their own shows after only a couple years working in animation.
No.1030512
>>1030202
>Alex Hirsch fucks
>doesn't even drive
>women throw themselves at him
>has a laptop full of porn
>can do whatever he wants
Based, tbh.
No.1030514
>>1030339
You forgot to link the Ducktales reboot to Gravity Falls
No.1030515
>>1030343
>>1030436
I would say it's not an official storyboard but just them trying to look "busy" for that behind the scenes intro video of Thundercats Roar by making a quick and simple recreation. It does look awful and probably shouldn't have been there since it's so simple looking and has no info on camera movement, style of shot, scene transition, etc.
The storyboards are of intro sequence which (as appears in that same video) already completed, so it would have been storyboarded and then animated months ago.
No.1030535
>>1030360
Probably because EZPZ is a fucking retard who couldn't figure out basic voice distortion if his life depended on it.
No.1030536
>>1030506
>>1030498
(((EZ PZ))) is a jew who works for Encylopedia Dramatica, if E;R gets a hold of the source that would be great, better if the source meets Murdoch Murdoch or Sam Hyde to be productive.
No.1030548
>>1030536
EZPZ is a less funny, less skilled at editing, more Jewish version of E;R
No.1030550
>>1030548
>>1030536
No one can beat E;R, he's probably the best incel reviewer out there
No.1030556
Sabrina Cotugno is a stone-cold heartless sociopath, in denial. She tells herself indoctrinating kids is for the good of the (((future))). She's a useless idiot. I feel sorry for her actually, she's cute. But she fell for the SJW indoctrination and made herself into a professional victim, intentionally playing up her marginalized traits (queer, cuckquean, biracial) at every corner, projecting her insecurities all over her work, and being lazy and using her work as a soapbox. I don't think there's any stopping an ambitious SJW like her from rising to the top at meteoric speed. She's driven, but completely solipsistic and unsympathetic to anyone who doesn't ascribe to her personal politics. Living in the bubble of LA will do that to you. Search her up on fireden, she shills for herself on cuckchan repeatedly. I just hope she settles down + gets married so the industry can be rid of her.
No.1030561
>>1030551
I just hate his RLM-tier opinions when it comes to Star Wars.
I wish he made a separate video for the Gary Stu argument in Solo. I think he's right about that, but it's not good to get off-topic. That's what a lot of people criticized Plinkett for in his TFA review.
>>1030550
>incel
That word is toxic :^)
No.1030562
>>1030536
>Murdoch Murdoch
I know he started on 8/pol/, but his Wojack shit is cringey, and besides, isn't he alt-kike anyway?
No.1030563
>>1030512
>based
Wasn't Mabel based on his sister, though?
No.1030568
>>1030536
>Sam Hyde to be productive
Yeah, the guy who alienated everybody he worked with and posts low effort rant videos shot in his car months ago every so often so his retarded fanbase doesn't cancel their 5$ paywall subscription sure is the one to go with here.
>>1030562
>isn't he alt-kike anyway?
Yeah, he just shits on people like Molymeme or Southern and features memes like Pierce and Rockwell positively for the lulz. But then again, he doesn't feature enough swastikas and doesn't sound psychotic enough so he is probably alt-kike and a Fed plant Mossad MI6 agent anyway.
No.1030570
And how this change? By the sound of it these shit isn't making money and its not by design of kike CEO so why does this continue? Are they that fucking lazy to fire all their trash and hire competent people? How does this even continue? This can probably be traced to somebody who can just pull the plug any moment but doesn't. Is there a way to convince CEOs to lead an investigation into this?
>>1030561
>toxic
That word is reddit.
No.1030577
>>1030563
Straight twincest is an 8/10 fetish.
No.1030581
>>1030202
It sounds like bullshit to be honest.
No.1030905
>>1030339
Where is We Bear Bears?
No.1030911
>>1030306
The traditional thing to do there is split it up. Also, since the video is just a monologue, you can cut the audio bitrate way down. My rule is take a short sample and output it in a few bitrates until it gets hard to understand, then double whatever that one was for the final product.
No.1030920
>>1030562
Murdoch Murdoch is the best /pol/ ca have at the moment
>>1030568
> Alienating
His job is to redpill while being part of "the system" and once the word got out the best we can hope for is to mentor a bunch of Hyde 2.0s so that the networks can get FUCKED over and over again
>>1030568
Don't think he is a fed, just a retard that does not sound too much like a hack.
No.1030964
>>1030339
What the fuck happened to JG Quintel's Close Enough anyway? Last time I checked, it was supposed to premiere last year.
No.1030966
>>1030964
If we're lucky, it'll turn out to be cancelled.
No.1030978
>>1030512
While I despise Chads for mogging me to oblivion I do enjoy how they destroy all society rules and normalfags are blind to it. Like they'll tell you "no girl wants a jobless loser!" meanwhile the biggest Chad I know personally is chronically unemployed barely able to hold down menial jobs and doesn't even have a home bumming from one place to another even living in a college dorm by using some of his connections to fake being a student.
No.1030980
>>1030978
Normalfags and Chadlites are worse than Chads because they have no idea how the world works, while both Incels and Chads know exactly how the world works.
No.1030983
>>1030966
>>1030964
This is what happens when you put an incompetent woman in charge of a company. Bring back Samples.
No.1030989
>>1030983
Bring back my big ol' cock, nigga
No.1030990
>>1030980
Not all Chads. Many of them are completely oblivious to how the world works because of their success, they're like Chinese child emperors stepping out of their isolated palace for the first time and becoming baffled that most people don't have personal servants to wipe their asses.
I had a guy like that on a forum once, kept telling everyone to just smile and be positive and funny and they can get laid just as much as him and it's their fault for not trying as every potential sexual encounter is just around the corner at the gas station, the line at the grocery store or the cinema, then his photos showed up and he turned out to look like a young hairier Brad Pitt who is confirmed to have multiple children through a sperm bank.
No.1030997
The source has been found and it appears to be legit.
The source comes from Luke Weber, creator of Bikini Cowboy and former storyboard artist for Gravity Falls.
Alex Hirsch, the most evil man in the cartoon industry, has apparently ruined this man's life beyond repair and blacklisted him. Alex Hirsch has raped women, tortured innocent people, and kidnapped children. He should be put in prison or executed.
How many more lives Alex Hirsch must ruin before he is finally revealed to be the sole problem in the modern cartoon industry? Alex Hirsch has raped women, tortured people, and kidnapped children. I even heard stories from executives that Alex Hirsch likes to put small children into his van and then ship from off to sex traffickers.
No.1030999
>>1030997
And we know it's luke because?
No.1031003
>>1030561
>I just hate his RLM-tier opinions when it comes to Star Wars.
He heavily criticized every Disney Wars movie to date. Didn't RLM praise them? How were his opinions RLM-tier?
No.1031004
>>1031003
RLM hates the new Star Wars movies and the prequels.
No.1031014
>>1031012
Well, can I see the tweets?
No.1031017
>>1030999
This is the proof that it might be Luke Weber.
>Seeing how Alex Hirsch is described in the video versus how Rebecca and Ward are described. Both are talked about negatively but Alex Hirsch is described in far more detail in terms of how he works inside the studio. We know that the person who did the leaking was likely part of the Gravity Falls crew or had some major contact with Alex Hirsch.
>Some rumors from YouTube and Twitter seem to point to him
>The Luke Weber seems to trigger normies.
>Tumblr is getting angry at him for being a white male.
No.1031020
>>1031018
You'd think she appreciate being shown porn, given how she made gay Ed Edd & Eddy porn.
No.1031021
>>1031020
>Deleted
I'm not even that guy and I have to ask "What the fuck".
For the record, this is what he posted
"The "blacklisted" guy was a creep who showed self-insert porn of him with Pearl to Rebecca Sugar, when he worked on the show. 4/co/ seems to think it is him."
https:// boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/3647094**
No.1031026
>>1031021
It is not Luke. But there are hints on who it is.
>Here is the thing. Why would he leak the info to EZ PZ and not an actual cartoon channel or blog.
>When the person who created this action cartoon for Nick was blacklisted he went to Rise and Fall of Nickelodeon, an actual channel about cartoons, to leak his information on Cyma something that this leaker did not do.
>Instead he went to EZ PZ, a nobody that is only known for trashing current popular cartoons but is not a cartoon reviewer.
>This gives us a clue about who this person is from a mental stand point. We know that this person does not like the current popular cartoon channels that exist since they are pozzed.
No.1031028
>>1031021
We also know that this person is an e-celeb on YouTube but fired from the company that he worked for. If this was just some random person who was blacklisted, here's the thing.
Why would he need to hide his name if he has nothing to lose due to being blacklisted? Here is a possible explanation.
This person is either making a living off of YouTube by being a very successful channel and would not want his fans to go on a SJW mob like mentality and destroy his channel by unsubbing killing off his only means of revenue in the process, or this person is like Luke or John K, being such a joke that no one wants to either hear their opinion due to this person being an idiot.
No.1031031
>>1030978
Are you implying that alex is a chad? Fucking a bunch of obese tumblrinas and getting aids does not make you a chad.
No.1031032
>>1030978
>"no girl wants a jobless loser!"
You're focusing too much on the jobless part and not enough on the loser part
Also the except does not make the rule
No.1031035
>>1031031
Alex isn't a chad. Alex is the scourge of the current industry. He needs to be purged from society. Alex is worse than Dan Harmon and Rebecca Sugar as a person. He should be put behind bars for rape and kidnapping children.
No.1031038
>>1030997
> I didn't come to 8chan to listen to 4/co/ stragglers.
No.1031043
>>1030577
Absolutely true.
No.1031055
>>1030997
He can't keep getting away with it.
pics or it didin't happen
No.1031058
>>1031032
Loser is a meaningless word which refers to how much people like someone, which is based on looks. You're a good looking guy who's unemployed? You're just on a run of bad luck, but you'll turn it around, we're all rooting for ya' champ! You're an ugly guy who's unemployed? Get a job ya' fuckin bum, or better yet, kill yourself.
No.1031060
>>1030997
>>1031017
Fascinating if true. The in-depth knowledge of Hirsch and his work habits would seem to suggest someone who worked closely with him.
No.1031064
Not surprised. Hell, they were blacklisting up and coming artists just for saying negative things about Thundercats. I feel bad because up till then I actually had some nice conversations with some of the smaller artists in the industry but the moment there’s some drama they always default to the most vapid responses. I have a feeling I myself was blacklisted when I openly called them out for blacklisting others for having an opinion they didn’t like.
No.1031083
>>1030997
The problem with this theory is that by the sound of the story, the person in question was blacklisted fairly early on, where as Luke Weber worked on Gravity Falls all the way until it's very last episode, and still does work in shows to this day.
No.1031084
>>1031083
>, and still does work in shows to this day.
Nope, he is jobless.
No.1031099
>>1031004
RLM seems to do what they think is popular now, it seems.
>>1031003
He thinks the Prequels are shit.
>>1030570
>reddit
That word is 4chan.
No.1031103
>>1031099
Not really considering they're all old and busted middle aged men and Jay's an arthouse weirdo. They just usually know what makes a good movie and nothing Star Wars produces now is good. While some may think the Prequels have their merits, especially by comparison to the stuff we get now, they're objectively not good movies either.
No.1031137
I got confirmation that the person blacklisted was Butch Hartman.
No.1031148
>>1031058
>Boo hoo I'm ugly
I have no sympathy. You want us to breed a society of a society of emotionally weak men like your self. It's disgraceful.
No.1031149
>>1031058
Even a millionaire is a looser if he is 5'6"
Even a homeless man is a winner if he is tall and Black ( superior genetics)
No.1031155
>>1031149
>Even a millionaire is a looser if he is 5'6"
>This is what people who take jokes on /fit/ seriously actually believe.
Studies show that women primarily select men for their socioeconomic status. Being tall helps you get that status, but being short doesn't remove it. Do you think that Tom Cruise doesn't have literally hundreds of millions of bitches desperate for his dick world-wide despite being a 5'7" 56-year-old manlet? You could take away either his money or his fame, and he would still be drowning in pussy because he has so much of the other.
No.1031161
>>1030339
>Flapjack started all this.
I feel bad now for liking Flapjack.
>>1031004
RLM was kinda nice to TFA but seemed to dislike Rogue One and TLJ.
>>1031064
Sounds interesting do you want to go more into it?
No.1031164
>>1031161
It is possible, and I believe one of the videos they did on the later movies said, maybe by Solo, seems that they were more hopeful with TFA that it would lead to bigger things at the time. Looking back now, they hate TFA more now.
No.1031165
>>1031161
Looks like the original post was taken down but I have a reblog of it. Here’s what it said:
“There are a few reasons why you shouldn’t whine every time there’s a reboot of something. Let’s use the new Thundercats as an example.
1. Thundercats doesn’t deserve to die. It’s a beloved property that should have a fair attempt at reaching a new generation of kids. Don’t let a misplaced sense of ownership to something that isn’t yours in the first place ruin a show for other people. You like the original? Good. You can always go watch it. A reboot of Thundercats doesn’t mean the original never happened. Think a reboot should be more action packed and play older? They tried it in 2011 and turns out viewers didn’t want it.
Consider that the new Thundercats Roar may actually do well because…
2. …it wasn’t made for you. The tastes of today’s kids are different than ours, just like how ours was different than the generation before us. Test yourself by watching the original Thundercats. And by watching it I mean actually watching several entire episodes from start to finish. Most likely you’re going to get bored and want to change it to something else. A comedic adaptation of it could just be what revives interest in the Thundercats.
3. You already know and trust the artists. You trusted them when they helped make shows like OK KO, Motorcity, Rick and Morty, etc.. They’re bringing that passion and expertise with them to Thundercats Roar. You’d be surprised at how much a network relies on the artists’ unique voices to make their shows stand out. Just from TC Roar’s sick intro you should know that this show is bringing something to the table.
4. It’s opening doors for the things you love. Whether you like it or not, reboots like Teen Titan GO and Ben 10 are successful and kids love them. While you don’t have to love them too, you should appreciate them. It’s because of the success of shows like these that networks can have the resources to explore new original content. This is how progress is made. This is why cartoons aren’t just cat and mouse chases anymore. Who knows, maybe a network will even end up developing an original show so successful that in 10 years time trolls on the internet will hate its reboot.
5. If you’re an aspiring artist, this isn’t a good look for you. Go through your favorite artists’ twitters and tumblrs and see if they have ever said anything bad about any animated shows. You’ll find nothing, why? It’s because this is an industry of cooperation and support for your fellow artists.
A good portion of the people I follow online are artists trying to break into the industry. We see the things you say. Your rants don’t make you sound like an animation connoisseur. It makes you sound toxic and jaded about an industry you haven’t even set foot in yet. Why would a production want to commit to hiring someone they think will just be rolling their eyes at the designs the whole time?”
Pay special attention to that fifth point. After that I responded and told them that it was awful of them to hold people’s future in the industry over their heads for holding different opinions to them, to which an industry artist I had been having a friendly conversation with responded publicly and reaffirmed the position (considering she really was kind in the PM’s I’ll leave that whole part out of it). After that, the person who made the initial post (named handsome hugs) came back and finished up with:
Like you’re totally welcome to not like a certain style or have critiques about shows and how they could have done things better. Heck, I have a list of shows I don’t like for xyz reasons and I’ve voiced those opinions before but I guess the difference is since I’ve worked in the industry, I am fortunate to have the knowledge that these things are a result of several factors and rarely can be put on a single person to blame and sometimes production has to go a certain way or can’t go a certain way, which results in things happening the way they do. Sometimes the network wants specific things, etc. So I just hold my opinions separately from the show team and don’t blame or bother them for it, which is how things were before the internet made professionals so accessible.
So the point is as long as you’re not giving artists (professional or not) a hard time for things that ultimately are harmless when voicing your feelings, then you’re fine.
No.1031166
>>1031165
That post does sound awfully familiar. I think I saw it on tumblr. Yeah that does sound very passive aggressive.
No.1031175
>>1031165
This argument is moronic. If you have to change everything people liked about the show to appeal to a new generation, then why even bother using the show in the first place? You would only do so if it still carried weight with children/the general public. Really, the main motivation for a lot of the changes have nothing to do with sound business planning or demographic research (which isn't even a good justification in itself from the artistic perspective), it is just a simple lack of skill. The people working at CN no longer have the skill/work ethic necessary to compete with random 80's/90's cartoons in apples to apples comparisons.
No.1031279
>>1030570
>Is there a way to convince CEOs to lead an investigation into this?
I have a good idea and they will get the ear by money talking:
Ask them to compare the episode budget of Adventure time, Gravity fall and their other clique productions versus budget of similar production or better, and how those production reduce the cost.
I tell you this is a instant loss for those CalArt faggots.
One example:
Xilam production the guys behind Oggy&the cockroaches and A King of Magic. Depends on the production they need 1-10 Mio. $ to produce a season of their cartoon series.
Adventure Time and Steven Universe budget per season is really insane really fucking insane 78 mio to 156 Mio. $. An AT or ST episode can cost around 300,000 - 600,000 $
No.1031283
>>1031161
You shouldn't, just because a show ended up starting a trend doesn't mean the show that started it was bad.
>>1031165
And now we know why Tumblr doesn't bother arguing their beliefs the majority of the time.
1. It does not deserve to die, but it doesn't deserve to be retooled into a completely different and likely awful cartoon.
2. Just because it wasn't made for a certain audience doesn't mean it's protected from criticism, and the only reason kids tastes would be different today is because the majority of cartoons are as bad as ThunderCalArts.
3. No I fucking don't, I don't trust any of them to make a cartoon with passion, and they sure as hell don't have any expertise, just because you work for a few years on Rebecca's dyke show doesn't mean you're experienced at anything other than writing poorly written lesbians or going off model every 5 seconds.
4. It's opening the wrong doors, just because something is successful doesn't mean it's actually good, or are you suggesting that it would be a good thing if more books like Twilight and 50 shades of grey came out, and I am not going to appreciate something that is a complete mockery of the cartoon/cartoons that I grew up with, or do you think TTG is gonna be liked by anyone other than kids who have grown up eating shit or people who only want to piss off fans of the original?
5. What you're arguing for is a hugbox, an industry that can't accept criticism is an industry that will decay and never bother to improve because everyone is afraid of getting blacklisted for speaking their minds.
No.1031296
>>1031165
<It’s because of the success of shows like these that networks can have the resources to explore new original content.
I have seen people associated with CN practically copy-paste these arguments on tumblr since the PPG reboot. By far this is the most bullshit part of it. There is barely any original content anymore, and reboot #5475 making money just means reboot #5476 gets made.
Anyway, I can get how austistic rants could affect your chances at a job. However, it seems every damn person working in animation seems to lump all criticism into that boat.
No.1031297
>>1031165
This is bad enough to be a new copypasta. Sweet merciful fuck.
No.1031305
>>1031155
>muh celebrities
The average man doesn't need to be one to date. And nobody gives a shit about you if you're rich, only your money.
No.1031431
DasGemKorps got deplatformed.
Press F for fun images
No.1031433
>>1031165
>TTGO are successful
Yeah, about as successful as stuffing the ballot box when you stuff the entire programming schedule with that one show.
No.1031592
>>1031165
>5th point
This pisses me off in a special sort of way that none of the other points could. You're encouraging a cult-like hugbox environment where mediocrity is not only encouraged, but protected and even enforced at times.
>Sometimes the network wants specific things
You mean like a successful show that'll earn them good ratings?
Oh, and it gets worse better:
https://porko-rosso.tumblr.com/post/174174422863/put-the-torches-and-pitchforks-away-take-it-from
No.1031610
>>1031103
>that entire post
Imagine being this Plebeian.
No.1031613
>>1031103
>>1031103
>Not really
>imfuckingplying
I guess that's why their shitty TFA review avoided criticizing the film, right? Get your head out of the sand. That recent Nerd Crew, for example, was chock-full of pandering, full of RLM fan memes. They're subservient to what they think their fans like, because that's where they're getting their revenue. They've been eclipsed by more popular review channels, and they know it.
>Prequels """objectively""" bad
Confirmed for shit-taste. I recommend using lead mouthwash.
No.1031618
>>1031613
They've done nothing but criticized the Star Wars movies since then man. And the Nerd Crew is a satire video making fun of those shitty podcasts. It's supposed to be shitty.
The prequels are a good story told extremely poorly. They're not good movies because of the fact they aren't telling their story the right way with the right direction for the actors or creatively combining CGI with practical effects. They were far too reliant on CGI to do everything that the actors don't know how to work with what's around them. Because they can't see anything but blue and green. If you're gonna do something like that then the movies should've been completely CGI with voice acted characters. Then at least the awkward performances as far as character actions would be fixed. In theory.
No.1031621
>>1031592
>read the points
>takes exception with the single useful piece of information given
If this were any other field, you'd agree with them. Newfags starting out in any field can't afford to look like arrogant cunts by publicly shitting on everyone. You have to pay your dues and get established first before you can start burning bridges like that.
No.1031626
>>1031621
See, the problem with your post is that it assumes these people aren’t newfags themselves. It’s a bunch of talentless hacks who got into the industry through nepotism shouting down others for calling out their horrible, low effort work.
A good example of this is the woman who got the pilot episode of her cartoon “Jammers” funded by CN. She had no previous experience and admits her friends working at CN just hooked her up with the right people.
No.1031639
>>1031621
I already agree with >>1031283's rebuttal to the calart 5 point tripe, I was just extrapolating on their argument.
No.1031657
>>1030563
Yes, and very few people liked the character at least anyone with a brain He wrote her as a crazy lunatic to make his insert look better.
>>1031165
>Go through your favorite artists’ twitters and tumblrs and see if they have ever said anything bad about any animated shows. You’ll find nothing, why? It’s because this is an industry of cooperation and support for your fellow artists.
You are right you wont find it there, you will hear it in person instead.
>>1031283
>What you're arguing for is a hugbox, an industry that can't accept criticism is an industry that will decay and never bother to improve because everyone is afraid of getting blacklisted for speaking their minds.
Duh, that keeps them employed and not the bigots. :^]
No.1031660
>>1031618
>Star Wars in Complete CGI
so basically Star Wars: The Clone Wars or Star Wars Rebels
No.1031668
>>1031618
I don't even think CGI is the problem, the aesthetics are. The prequels actually had shittons of practical sets, they just looked clean and sterile compared to the originals.
No.1031669
>>1031660
Basically. Clone Wars at least worked out because it had vision and talent behind it.
>>1031668
The aesthetics were great though. Every location was unique and alien with big spaces. Though I'll never understand why everyone in the universe is so adverse to handrails.
No.1031674
>>1031668
That's partially because the prequels took place on locations that were supposed to look clean and sterile, like throne rooms, official buildings and starships, whereas the OT took place on backwater planets and run-down military bases. Tattooine for example didn't look all that different. The Imperial installations looked just about as clean as they could manage in the late 70s or early 80s.
The CG did hurt the movies, of course. Geonosis for example looked way too much like a video game. But I think they pulled it off for the most part.
No.1031726
>>1031621
>Newfags starting out in any field can't afford to look like arrogant cunts by publicly shitting on everyone.
Critiquing is a principle part of art classes. Part of your grade is pointing out the flaws in other student work. If "professionals" can't handle this they have no business in the industry.
No.1031729
>>1031674
I actually like the contrast, showing the prequel era as more of a "golden age", and even slowly inserting a more militaristic utilitarian look throughout the Clone Wars.
The one thing they could have done better though was what the RLM reviews addressed - show how the war affects the galaxy at large in a better way, because it did feel like the average Coruscant citizen could have lived a normal life with the war and subsequent Imperial rule not even affecting it in any way.
No.1031731
>>1031729
>I actually like the contrast, showing the prequel era as more of a "golden age", and even slowly inserting a more militaristic utilitarian look throughout the Clone Wars.
Yes, the contrast is great, but it still suffered from the overuse of CG. For example, most of Geonosis was shot in front of a greenscreen when they could have just shot it on location. The fact that they didn't build a single clone trooper suit for all of the prequels didn't help much.
>The one thing they could have done better though was what the RLM reviews addressed - show how the war affects the galaxy at large in a better way, because it did feel like the average Coruscant citizen could have lived a normal life with the war and subsequent Imperial rule not even affecting it in any way.
I think there was actually a quote about that in the EU, I believe it was Gilad Pellaeon who basically said that galactic politics is pretty pointless to your average Joe.
No.1031862
>>1031592
>tumblr pastelshit
>fauxnime
>these styles were fine and then people just inexplicably started bullying artists for them
No, these styles were eternally shit and then that shit work got shown to someone who wasn't fucking retarded and they said it was fucking retarded. Precisely the cycle that affected the kidney bean style we're all arguing over now.
These trends also weren't harmless, drawing fauxnime famously fucked up aspiring artists' sense of perspective, proportion, colour theory… basically learning by apeing a shit style even shittier kills your fundamentals and you've at best wasted time you could have spent actually learning to draw, and at worst you've got a "can't pour water into a full cup" situation.
No.1031863
>>1031862
Meant to continue:
This is relevant because that's exactly what the cryblogger is suggesting is normal and good, artists incestuously passing around their increasingly distorted styles in a closed loop free from the vicious attacks of people pointing out that eyes aren't perfectly round.
No.1031920
>>1031592
So how close are we to finding the source of these reports?
No.1032112
No.1032114
>>1032112
>Can't use the fucking embed box
No.1032117
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>1032112
That guy sounds autistic.
No.1032120
>>1031618
>Nerd Crew
No fucking shit, you stupid nigger. But the pandering I'm talking about was completely out of place, and they've done it before.
The only reason you don't think the Prequels are good is because you didn't go back and watch them with a critical eye, like I did.
No.1032121
>>1031618
Here, these guys agree with you! You should make a thread about the Prequels!
>>>/sw/
No.1032122
>>1032117
The description:
I don't normally do videos like this, but some things you just can't ignore. Now, there's a strong possibility the anonymous source isn't the person who I say it is. I was mostly relaying messages to what's already posted online. But, until more evidence shows up, this is the information we have to go on. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, go on a witch hunt against anyone, cause this is merely speculation at this point.
UPDATE: A great friend of my pointed out to me EZ's dark past as an ED editor and a proud friend of the guy who doxxed Mr. Enter. I take it back, he ain't a good guy.
———————————————————————————————————–
Sources:
EZ PZ's video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJMHD…
4chan Thread
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/103…
Doug Tenapel stream which Luke Weber appears in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zAM…
Luke Weber's IMDB Page:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5881129/?…
I opted to breaking down everything said in the video as a lot of it is so ridiculous that anyone who knows somewhat about how cartoon channels operate could tell they're far-fetched and instead focused more on the points I personally wanted to address.
No.1032127
>>1032120
Terrible effects, awkward acting because of poor direction, too much standing around talking, sitting around talking, and a story that feels rushed in parts because each movie takes place years apart introducing characters we don't know till the movie begins. They're not good movies but they have merits.
No.1032136
>>1032127
>Terrible effects
Not at the time they were made, and a lot of them still hold up.
>awkward acting because of poor direction
None of that was awkward.
Anakin was awkward in the second film because he was a teenager, unsure of a lot of things because despite being the "Chosen one", he was kept in the dark.
>too much standing around talking, sitting around talking
You've never watched a play in your life, have you? Besides a shit-ton of films, comics/graphic novels, manga, anime, RPGs, etc.
>a story that feels rushed in parts because each movie takes place years apart
Rushed? Where?
>introducing characters we don't know till the movie begins
Listen to yourself talk some time. Might help avoid saying retarded shit. Because that's true for nearly every film in existence, including Mike's beloved OT.
No.1032138
>>1032122
>4chan
So this literal autist is the average 4/co/ user? Tippity-top kek.
No.1032145
>>1032122
>>1032138
>>1032117
From the post pic related was attached to (especially since the guy in the response video is hard to listen to and understand):
>His first episode of Gravity Falls was Scaryoke, and his only “correction” after that whole video of was this weirdly specific detail that only someone who storyboarded on Scaryoke would know.
Alright, so this seems to be Luke Weber, though there is not a lot of evidence.
So, although if the random fags on 4/co/ are to be believed, Luke is full sperg-tier. However, that doesn't mean the stuff he said in the interview isn't true, but it definitely does make it less credible than it already was, and it wasn't very credible already (because >no sources). The nepotism shit is probably true, to be honest, simply because that's Hollywood standard :^) The bit about Hirsch being a rake might be untrue, considering how much of a pushover he is.
No.1032173
>>1030360
Voice distortion can be undone. If you know who you are looking for the undistorted quality could be good enough to identify the person.
No.1032179
>>1032117
So…any highlights of this rebuttal? Because I ain't watching this shit. Especially when some sperg thinks being an editor on ED is a "dark" secret.
No.1032180
>>1032136
Plenty of actors were awkward. Not because of their acting ability but because of the lack of proper direction in an environment where they were in a blank room.
Just becuase it's like a play doesn't make it good. People don't go to movies to see endless talking that isn't interesting or investing. Jar jar drags down the first film because he's so annoying in the first movie. But he has tons of speaking roles. No one wants to hear that for an hour. And just standing or sitting around talking does not make interesting cinema. You have to have action and intrigue to draw in your audience. Just changing the setting where people are talking and sitting isn't interesting or investing.
There's a difference between introducing a character like a Lando and introducing a character like Grievous. We meet him at the beginning of the 3rd movie but implied he was around a long time before the movie despite never being mentioned in the second movie. Then he's killed off not even half way through the movie without us knowing anything about him besides the fact he's a cyborg that killed a bunch of faceless jedi. That's not how you introduce or use a character. Then we have Lando who's built up and we understand his whole character with only a few appearances in the second movie then comes back in the third for more. That's a good character introduction.
No.1032200
>>1032180
>There's a difference between introducing a character like a Lando and introducing a character like Grievous. We meet him at the beginning of the 3rd movie but implied he was around a long time before the movie despite never being mentioned in the second movie. Then he's killed off not even half way through the movie without us knowing anything about him besides the fact he's a cyborg that killed a bunch of faceless jedi. That's not how you introduce or use a character.
For a crash course in establishing a character within mere minutes of appearing, see his introduction in the Clone Wars shorts by Tartakovsky.
No.1032201
>>1032200
Yeah those few minutes of him in then were PERFECT.
No.1032227
>>1032221
Wow the world isn't black and white? People can have more complicated feelings regarding things instead of just total love or total hate??? Wowie!!!!
No.1032235
>>1032230
They weren't complete shit either.
No.1032238
>>1032230
I'm the guy saying they weren't good.
No.1032248
>>1032235
Yeah, they were. Where's the Hey /tv/ guy when we actually need him?
No.1032251
>>1032248
>SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH ME WHERE'S THE GUY WHO ALWAYS POSTS IN SHIT THREADS
Hey /tv/.
No.1032253
>>1032221
Kill yourself.
>>1032230
>Stop getting all triggered.
Bet you don't even know how that term came to being, you stupid nigger.
>>>/reddit/
>>>/whereverthefuckyoucamefromyouunderagefaggot/
>>1032248
Faggot.
No.1032257
>>1032117
He is (and pervs have to stick together)
No.1032261
>>1032251
>>1032253
Ahh, there's the shitposter.
No.1032263
>>1032261
>Everyone who thinks Redditors like you aren't welcome here is a shitposter and the same guy
No.1032276
>>1032253
>reddit humour
So this is edgy south park humour?
No.1032277
>>1032248
>>1032230
>HAHA BASED RLM TOLD ME IT'S BAD XDD
kill yourself
No.1032331
>>1032117
BentheLooney lol. This guy was Enter before Enter
No.1032333
>>1032331
Wait Ben is still around?
No.1032339
>>1032117
Wow this video was terrible. He did not debunk anything, but EZ PZs video is still shit.
No.1032360
>>1032253
>Irreverent Violence
Let me tell you about a little thing I like to call Newgrounds.
No.1032375
>>1032277
>RLM were the first to criticize the prequels
Millennials were a mistake.
No.1032422
>>1032253
>Irreverant violence
>Violence always needs to be played straight and traumatic
Sure, they've got a problem with "HAHA LOOK GORY SCENE ISN'T THIS FUNNY", but there's old newgrounds stuff like madness that puts violence to good use.
No.1032443
>>1032375
The prequels were attacked by big time Hollywood critics as well. Pretty much everyone on the internet has attacked the prequels at some point to the point where attacking the prequels is pretty much beating up a dead horse.
No.1032461
>>1032422
>>1032360
Even before Newgrounds people made violent humor work, it was called slapstick. Stuff like Tom & Jerry or the Three Stooges. Ed,Edd, & Eddy if you want something more modern.
No.1032472
>>1032422
> stuff like madness that puts violence to good use
I hope you just mean the flow of choreography and creative use of weapons and environment, because aside from that the Madness series was pretty trash.
No.1032490
>>1031920
You mean the people who initially posted them or what cartoons those people work on?
No.1032545
>>1032117
This guy does not sound like he has the remotest sliver of knowledge or industry experience to actually debunk shit. About 8 minutes in, he resorts to claiming the anonymous source is just a dick, so that's why he got fired because no one gets fired for disagreeing with people, you only get fired for being an asshole… Even though that exact shit has happened repeatedly.
Not worth watching. The guy is a retard. Skip around if you feel like wasting your time, but don't bother watching it from start to finish. There's nothing of value here.
No.1032547
>>1030339
>2008
Everything went sour in 2007 (4chan getting popular with normies, Tumblr launching, "Nerd culture" mainstreaming after "The Big Bang Theory"), so seeing that cartoons on American Pay-TV went sour after 2008 isn't surprising to me.
No.1032582
>>1032461
Suppose so, though where is the line drawn? I know family guy's way of violence is shit, but what sets it apart from good slapstick?
>>1032472
That's practically all there is to madness - it's like Postal where story takes a backseat to just raw, unfiltered asskicking.
No.1032742
>>1032122
>doxxing Mr. Enter
>ain't a good guy
No.1032766
>>1032117
>immediately misses the point and tries to downplay nepotism
No.1032777
>>1030202
>anon complaining about Calarts style
>struggles with animu moe faggot style in his mid 30s
>instead of just jumping on the Calarts style because of fame and because everyone can fucking do it
Oh no Anon, you are the true boss.
No.1032807
>>1032742
I don't like Mr. Enter but I want someone to knock RebelTaxi down a peg. Cheeky fucker has been sitting comfy on his ivory tower of autism for far too long.
No.1032814
>>1032117
>Benthelooney
Opinion discarded.
No.1032918
>>1032472
>I hope you just mean the flow of choreography and creative use of weapons and environment
There is other things about madness? Because it never pretended to be anything otherwise.
No.1033086
>>1030911
you meant video right?
No.1033143
>>1032807
This.
>>1032742
Couldn't give less of a fuck about Enter. It's not like he's really done any harm, anyway.
>>1032545
This, but that's why I posted the description. >>1032122
The archived 4/co/ thread is a lot better than the video, but there's still not much evidence >>1032145
No.1033154
The Ages of Cartoons
>The Primordial Age/Rubberhose Era
>1930s through 1950s was the Golden Age
>The 60s was the Silver Age
>The 70s was the Bronze Age
>The 80s was the Toy Age
>The end of the 80s to throughout the 90s was the Cartoon Renaissance
>00s was the Iron Age
>10s to present is the Dark Age/Decline
No.1033189
>>1033143
Oh God no wonder McCracken always looks so depressed. He's getting cucked by Hirsch.
But seriously, Lauren actually went onto /co/? I never figured animation industry people went onto /co/.
No.1033195
>>1033189
No, /mlp/, you newfag.
>Oh God no wonder McCracken always looks so depressed. He's getting cucked by Hirsch.
No, probably because she went full feminist she's still mom though. Hirsch is just some cuckish kid with a crush that she was creeped out by, that's all.
No.1033197
>>1033195
*Although, note that her more "3rd-wave" feminism is more recent. (Feminism is always cancer, however.)
>>1033189
*McCracken is likely depressed for other reasons, though I'm sure his wife is one of them. I just can't remember, but I remember discussing it here a long time ago I think….
Anyway, I'm not sure what made you think Hirsch was cucking McCracken. Nothing in my post suggested that, and honestly, Hirsch being a chad is the one thing that seems pretty fishy to me in EZ's video. Maybe he his, but if he is, I'd be surprised. He seems like such a pussy, maybe it's just because the harpies around him are insane?
>>1033154
That's kind of dumb to be honest. I've always hated labeling of that sort, like with generations.
No.1033199
>>1033197
Sorry I misinterpreted that. I thought Hirsch was cucking McCracken because of Faust playfully responding, "Careful Alex!! Saying cryptic stuff like that leads to wild speculaiton." Yeah I guess I misinterpreted that. Looking at it again she does seemed a bit creeped out.
No.1033201
>>1033197
Hirsch isn't really Chad looking but there's nothing particularly wrong with him when you look at others in the industry. So it's a normal fish in a small pond thing.
No.1033207
>>1033154
I thought the 60's was the "Cheap Bastard" Age and the 70's was the "Let's water down the violence" age….and then there was the Dark 90's.
No.1033212
>>1033154
The 00s can also be called the heroic age or weeb age because shows in that period were imitating anime.
>>1033207
Silver Age makes sense. The cartoons in that era were really fucking campy and feel like a step down from the previous era. The 90s being called the Renaissance era can be attributed to the Disney Renaissance and other networks putting out really good and provoking animated shows like the DCAU and Nick's cartoons of that era.
No.1033305
>>1033212
>The 00s can also be called the heroic age or weeb age because shows in that period were imitating anime.
Nah, this can be say now to the 10s even Showes which doesn't look like a anime still they add face expressions and gesture from a japanese cartoon, the beanmouth is one of those.
No.1033306
>>1033305
They may try to convey the same expressions, but the bean mouth look nothing like anime characters. I'd argue that the original Ben 10, Totally Spies, Avatar, Megas XLR, Teen Titans, Martin Mystery, and the He-Man reboot are closer to imitating anime.
No.1033316
>>1033306
> Ben 10, Megas XLR, He-Man reboot
They were more like 80s Toy focused show. Yeah, I know some of them were outsources by japan studios but they at least keep it off with this symbol expression, have strict westernization and a bit limited animation.
>Avatar, Teen Titans, Martin Mystery Totally Spies
Totally anime inspired.
>but the bean mouth look nothing like anime characters
I watched in my childhood many animes from the 60s and 70s their mouth work is the same and mostly in comedy parts does the anime character the beanmouth.
No.1033337
>>1033316
It does feel kinda weird when you watch older cartoons and start noticing characters that have the bean head, though I think the other major difference was that those series and anime was those characters had more realistically proportioned bodies compared to today's "Calarts bean head" and better art styles to compensate for the simple head design.
Basically they went simple in one area of the body (head) but went into more complex detail everywhere else while Calarts is just simple everywhere.
No.1033569
>>1033337
>Calarts is just simple everywhere.
Exactly, even the very simplied character designs from Joe Murray and McCracken need efforts to pull the characters in good motion spots.
No.1033629
>>1033086
No I meant audio. Cutting video quality goes without saying, but when you're encoding a video that is all one person talking, that is to say, all you want to preserve in terms of audio is the information conveyed by a clear, loud, enunciated human voice, you do not need to keep the audio at source quality. Eyeballing it I'd say you could encode that in 32 kb/s and retain full comprehensibility, including tone and cadence. You might be surprised how much data audio takes up alone.
There are elements of personal preference and certainly there are lots of cases where you want to preserve the audio more. If you're encoding something with scripted dialogue, that'll often be pretty fast, people might talk over each other, cutting quality can make it tricky to follow. Music, obviously you want to preserve as much as possible. Some people just can't listen to bad audio, me personally I'm pretty deaf to quality unless I pay attention.
No.1033706
>>1033629
>Cutting video quality goes without saying
you'd be surprised
pic unrelated
No.1045389