No.1027781
Do you think the 2020's will bring about a new renaissance of cartoons that look good and are cool if an action show or actually funny if a comedy?
No.1027787
The only way the cartoons of the west will improve is if the current shit that everyone hates stops making money.
No.1027789
>>1027787
>he thinks the current shit makes money
No.1027792
Yes and No.
Yes, in fact you can already see a lot of this renaissance already in the smaller passion projects that get released by single or small group animators. The tools that are becoming available are only going to improve, allowing people an easier time to actually achieve their vision. With some of the things competing learning algorithms are figuring out how to do, the things we are going to see from these small teams is only going to become more impressive as time goes on.
No, cartoons will likely never face a resurgence in mainstream entertainment aside from the odd gem flagship product here or there. The current cartoon production cycle is just to cheap to fail, very much in the same way Uwe Boll just shoots things as cheaply as possible as basically money laundering, and the trend is impossible to turn around. Simple shapes, animated by computers, with gender studies majors doing the writing for college credits simply can't be beaten for cost of production. With companies, besides possibly Hasbro, completely uninterested in merchandise outside of printing logos on interchangeable objects (cups, pillows, backpacks) the need to make things 'good' so kids will want more of it is gone. The way to make money now is to churn out content for as little cost as possible for the roughly 5 channels worth of dedicated children's programming exclusively for the advertisement dollar.
Best case scenario: Learning Algorithms become so good that almost all barriers to production are removed. Thus quality becomes a combination of original draft work, scene composition and consistency, and writing. Artists begin making a massive amount of series in hopes of getting a few advertising dollars or some Patreon cash.
Worst Case Scenario: Companies are able to drive the production cost so low that it's automatic. AI creates the script, animates the scenes, everything based off of a few interchangeable fields. The networks chug along on pretty much 0 budget productions for ad revenue and the internet gets a storm of ideological shows aimed at children.
No.1027804
Come back when you no longer feel that faint sense of hope and curiosity at a new title. I'm sorry it has to be this way, but it will never get better and the sooner you accept that the sooner we can get on with being bitter about it.
No.1027805
>>1027792
>With companies, besides possibly Hasbro, completely uninterested in merchandise outside of printing logos on interchangeable objects (cups, pillows, backpacks) the need to make things 'good' so kids will want more of it is gone.
There's Bandai, but that's all anime.
No.1027842
>>1027839
Fuck off already blackpillfag.
No.1027843
>>1027804
Go be blackpilled somewhere else.
No.1027845
>>1027844
>Blackpill is a fact
No.1027867
>>1027781
>>1027792
I think American animation is on a slight decline, but should get turned around by successful animated series from other countries like France (Eg: Miraculous Ladybug which seems to have done incredibly well with merchandising deals from the start while also having a high viewership) hopefully inspiring American studios to do better.
While toy companies like LEGO seem to get good sales from series with a story to them (Ninjago) and the animated series attached to it, so those 3D CGI LEGO minifigure animated series (which should save time and money to make as basically every character has the same body shape) probably won't go away any time soon. Even Legends of Chima and Nexo Knights animated series which ended much sooner still got around 40 episodes.
One bad thing that I think might happen with animation might be the rise of more "fad" animation like a Fortnite animated series or something equally horrible that gets popular in the future.
>Best case scenario: Learning Algorithms become so good that almost all barriers to production are removed.
On a similar note, what ever happened to that "3D animation that looks like 2D animation software" that Disney created for the Paperman short film? Why hasn't that been used again?
No.1027869
>>1027839
>>1027804
>>1027840
>>1027841
>>1027842
>>1027843
>>1027844
>>1027845
Hey /tv/
No.1027871
>>1027869
I'm not the one who brought up blackpill shit for no reason.
No.1027875
>>1027792
The only way entertainment can die is if independent companies can't make anything at all which leaves everything to the hands of a corporate elite.
No.1027876
>>1027867
I doubt Fortnite will get an actual TV show and if it does it will not even last a season.
No.1027886
>>1027871
You're sure as hell are feeding them.
No.1027890
>>1027886
You say that as if he wouldn't keep on posting blackpill shit anyways.
No.1027893
>>1027876
And if it does, it will be years after the fad had died.
No.1027899
Indie animation is going to get a lot better and a lot of the downsides are hopefully going to be less extreme than they are nowadays. However, animation will never have a proper place outside of streaming services ever again unless they are cheaply made TTGO inspired lolsorandum shit because that is just way too fucking successful to ever not work.
No.1028120
No.1028209
>>1027781
We're already walking in that direction. In the streaming world episodic shit doesn't work.
No.1028229
>>1027867
>I think American animation is on a slight decline
>slight decline
it's dead you retard
No.1028243
>>1028120
>tfw show never got renewed
>tfw we never got movie
>tfw it was awesome as fuck
>tfw it would be pozed to hell if it came back today
No.1028283
>>1028209
anon, the fuck did they do to Ferngully?
No.1028495
>>1027781
After seeing the latest CN crossover I pretty much lost my faith in the future of cartoons.
No.1028519
>>1028495
>CN crossover
The fuck? Between what? TTG, TTG, TTG and TTG?
No.1028521
>>1028519
Worse. It was TTG, SU, B10 and OKKO saving CN City while Garnet's voice acting and showboating continued to grate the senses. It honestly makes me hope that Megas XLR never gets renewed in this day in age. It would either turn into Tumblr XLR or Teen XLR GO.
No.1028556
>>1028209
where is this from?
No.1028560
>>1028556
>>1028283
It's from a really shitty Italian cartoon called Dinofroz
https://youtu.be/Uh2j0nc7p6k?t=916
No.1028562
>>1028560
The animation and designs reminds me of that Yugioh knockoff that used to be on Jetix with the orange haired kid with glasses. I honestly can't remember the name of that shit.
No.1028582
>>1028209
>>1028560
>Italian cartoons
I see, so, was she your pastafu ?
No.1028595
>>1028582
>pastafu
That's ah spicy post paisano!
No.1028708
>>1028229
If it was dead there would nothing or something horrible to replace it like a live action/cartoon hybrid such as Out of Jimmy's Head. I said decline (or at least decline in America) because it means it's currently alive in the present but could be in a much better (or worse) state in the future.
Now with decline is how much worse could animation get, could the current quality get even lower? Like simpler character designs than Calarts? Worse character modeling consistency per episode than Steven Universe? Static character images dragged across the screen? No lip sync?
No.1028710
>>1027867
>I think American animation is on a slight decline
>Implying that the decline is only slight
No.1028826
>>1027867
>fortnite animated series
all this did was remind me that the window of opportunity for a TF2 animated series to be both released and good has long since passed. there aren't even any good western games to build a show worth watching around at this point
No.1028831
Its for the best. The newer TF2 comics have really gone to shit and modern animation studios would do their best to fag up the characters and needless lore rather than focus solely on comedy and action.
No.1028860
>>1028560
>made by Mondo TV
fuck, that thing still exists? I remember they did a lot of religious toons. Life of this or that Saint and biblical stuff.
No.1028907
>>1027845
No, but you look like a fucking child.
>"WAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT TO FEEL GOOD!"
While it is fine to have hope for the future, do not blind yourself from negativity and pessimism, or you'll get fucked along with all the normalfags who were either blissfully unaware, or who heard but also shied away. Case in point, the story of Lot and his stupid sons-in-laws, or perhaps even Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
No.1028908
>>1027781
No but my dick is quaking for the inevitable economic collapse and the coming Caesars and civilizational/cultural renewal period.
No.1029059
>>1028907
>being blinded by negativity and pessimism
>any worse than blinding yourself from it
Did you not see the posts they were responding to?
No.1029083
No. At best, things might settle down long enough for interesting and unique stuff to fall through the cracks. Otherwise we're probably in for more of the same stuff we're getting now.
No.1029087
>>1029059
I did. But the posts I took issue with were
>>1027842
>>1027843
Because instead of trying to explain why it might not be that way, they shy away from the "bad thoughts". They would have a hugbox, and that is why they are cancer.
No.1029091
>>1029087
One of those posts is a faggot who keeps shitting up several posts with blackpill shit, it’s alright to be a pessimist as long as you aren’t deliberately derailing threads.
No.1029092
No.1029094
>>1029087
Nothing wrong with bad thoughts, as long as they bring something new to the table. Those "blackpill" posts they replied to were of poor quality and essentially defeatist wankery.
No.1029130
There's always hope if just a handful of fans are sperg enough to train their art and make the leap to pro without selling out.
But I don't think this community will produce the animation ubermensch, all we do is bitch about how much we hate things, and when someone gets off their ass and does something we rip it to pieces too. We're no longer fans, we're devolving into critics.
No.1029196
>>1029094
>>1029091
Yeah, I haven't been here in a couple months. After looking through some threads, I know what you mean now. Never mind >>1029087
No.1029259
No.
That would be the 2030's.
No.1029585
People were saying the same thing about 2000s cartoons back when I was in highschool. Everyone was lamenting over how flat, upa influenced cartoons had snuffed out the bouncier, cartoonier style of the 90s. Tastes evolve over time, and trends gradually transition from one thing to another.
And you guys don't get that. You're so fucking insulated from the rest of the world. You rarely ever deal with anyone outside of your own small slice of the internet, and as a result think that your opinions are the norm
Well spoiler alert they're not. Little kids fucking love teen titans go, and a good 98% of adults I've met are huge fans of rick and morty.
You think we're in a dark age, but in reality a style you personally dislike happens to be in vogue right now
No.1029588
>>1029585
>Reddit spacer defends a shit art style
Like fucking clockwork.
No.1029687
>>1029588
Plenty of people like it. Have you ever considered that maybe you're the one in the wrong, not everyone else?
Also, I've never used reddit in my life and still don't quite get what it is, this typing style originated all the way back in the 70s on usenet, and muh reddit spacing is a cheep tactic used by retards who are unable to argue their point
No.1029707
>>1029687
Just because retards like something doesn't make it good, or are you gonna suggest Twilight the epitome of literature because it did great saleswise? Also
>I've never used reddit in my life
>Still Reddit spacing
>This is definitely because of usenet and not because i'm a faggot who's never been here before
No.1029765
>>1029585
>this'll show those #comicsgate bigots
No.1029805
>>1029687
Plenty of people are braindead commies, whats your point?
No.1029819
No.1029821
>>1029819
That was on Cartoon Network, I think he's talking about something else.
No.1029847
>>1029707
>Just because retards like something doesn't make it good
But what if they're the smart people and you're really the retard? You don't know. Wrong people never think they're wrong.
Sales numbers and views are the most objective measure of quality out there. You might not like it, but it's true
>>1029805
Statistically, not counting commie states where people are forced to be communists, they make up a reletivley small percent of the population.
No.1029848
>>1029847
>wrong people never think they're wrong
You have zero self awareness.
No.1029852
>>1029848
I never stated an opinion of my own though. Objectivly, according to statistics, modern cartoons are good. Argue with me all you want, but you can't argue with numbers
No.1029867
>>1027792
>The tools that are becoming available are only going to improve, allowing people an easier time to actually achieve their vision.
See, that is quite false. Accessibility causes laziness and only helps destroy mediums, and this has been evident by the last 20 or so years.
>endless books and tutorials on coding using any language imaginable available online
<quality of software and vidya reach record lows, more and more products shipped with major bugs and design flaws
>endless painting and animation programs, both paid and free, along with artist resources written by pioneers available online
<animation dark age, basics like body anatomy / perspective / color theory are nowhere to be seen
>endless music making programs, both paid and free, along with guides on music theory and composition available online
<worst decade (thus far) for music, production is minimal and lazier than ever with absolutely no sense of individuality whatsoever
This goes for the mainstream, as well as the indies who opt to copy the mainstream 1:1 instead of improving upon it. There will only be change when people realize they can do better, otherwise we will forever be getting cartoons made by hipsters who spend 1 hour in Flash and 5 hours on twitter.
No.1029878
>>1029585
You are out right delusional if you do not see the problems and decline of quality in the animation industry. Acknowledging decline does not put you into the same boat as people who simply dislike new media. If anything, idiots like you constantly defending shit quality just enables those making garbage to lower the bar further.
>>1029847
>>1029852
<Sales numbers and views are the most objective measure of quality out there. You might not like it, but it's true
With that logic, McDonalds is clearly makes some of the best food of all time.
No.1029901
>>1029847
>Sales numbers and viees are the most objective measure of quality out there
You’re just fishing for (You)s.
No.1029908
>>1029907
No one cares blackpillfag, go shit up another board.
No.1029912
>>1029911
How about you try talking about cartoons and comic books this time instead of saying that everything is doomed forever faggot?
No.1029928
>>1027781
I think the 2020s will bring about serious conflicts all over the globe, so cartoons will be brief and primitive, like early 2000s web cartoons.
No.1030542
>>1027781
The Renaissance will only come if the kinds of Murdoch Murdoch can gitgud on their skills. otherwise Calarts will REIGN
No.1030571
>>1028908
What would be the animation industry's equivalent?
No.1033014
The last hope for the future died with Newgrounds.
In this timeline, cartoons are written by an algorithm similar to the ones that used to generate spam e-mail, and drawn by third-world slaves, in much the same way that expensive sneakers are made, using Goanimate.
The future is Spider-Man farting on Elsa and Minion babies drinking piss and pregnant Twilight Sparkle.
No.1033057
>>1028908
Won't happen. See >>1033014. Sorry /pol/.
No.1033064
>>1033057
>>1033054
>>1033053
>>1033051
>>1027804
>>1033014
Literally fuck off. You're all idiots. Why are any of you here, other than to feel better about yourself? Do you think the most hopeful will suddenly agree with you if you keep repeating the same crap?
>>1029130
>But I don't think this community will produce the animation ubermensch, all we do is bitch about how much we hate things, and when someone gets off their ass and does something we rip it to pieces too.
This is why the blackpill fags are able to constantly bitch and moan in threads with reckless abandon. Stop letting stupidity thrive instead of productivity you faggots.
>>1029852
> Objectivly, according to statistics, modern cartoons are good.
Interpreting statistics =! objectivity. An objective look at statistics would be that the new stuff still has people watching. However, I bet there's a decline in viewership over decades, if you look at the figures. So you're still wrong.
>>1029867
>>The tools that are becoming available are only going to improve, allowing people an easier time to actually achieve their vision.
>See, that is quite false. Accessibility causes laziness and only helps destroy mediums, and this has been evident by the last 20 or so years.
The only way quality will return to any medium in entertainment is if someone gets off their ass and produces content with quality in mind. Until then, we will have this decline.
No.1033068
>>1033049
Kill yourself.
>>1033051
>>1033053
>>1033054
>>1033057
Do you always samefag this hard blackpillfag?
>>1033064
All of those posts were made by the same faggot anon, he does this shit on several boards.
No.1033555
>80's, action, metal, punks & feminism
>90's, SFX, grunge, goths & lesbians
>00's, horror, pop rock, emos & furries
>10's, capeshit, untalented hacks, SJWs & transfaggots
The 00's may have been bad, but they're much better than what we have today. I don't even want to imagine what the next decade holds for us.
No.1033557
>>1033555
>The cartoons of the 00’s were bad
No.1033559
>>1033557
May have, speaking from a faggot's perspective someone who's almost exclusively watched flash shit.
No.1033560
>>1033559
And speaking from the perspective of someone who grew up in that decade and spent a shit ton of time watching the TV it had plenty of good cartoons.
No.1033564
>>1033560
Honestly, they weren't bad and I copypasta'd that comment from some fag on a /cow/ thread but you can't deny canadian shit was awful.
>The cartoons of the 00’s were bad
Going off of what they're going off of. None of the TV stuff was bad, hence why they didn't list it.
No.1033566
>>1033564
I'd prefer the Canadian shit over the cartoons we have now, at least they look different.
No.1033901
>>1033566
While that may be, who's to say the next generation won't make calarts look like canada by comparison?
No.1034557
>>1027781
2020s will be 2010's part 2