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>>1027380

From what I've seen, Batman Beyond had an excellent world and good protagonist, but never had any proper villains that really could take advantage of the them. I think the best one was that Freeze episode which showed the ultimate futility of redemption in a world that has forgotten you.

>>1027380

>34 seconds in

Did they make Ben 10 black? Also the anatomy on the bitch on the right is ridiculous.

>>1027512

Joker was excellent. But Batman Beyond never had its own Joker or Slade or Lex Luthor or Brainiac. The sort of villain that completes the hero narratively and thematically.

>>1027521

The real villain was the city, it's collective apathy in a world that normalised supervillains 30 years ago and Bruce being overbearing.

>>1027528

I really did get that vibe from. BB has a real depressing undercurrent to it. No one cares about any of the heroes. All the heroes of the DCAU were forgotten and lived sad, quiet, little mundane lives, everything of import or wonder swallowed by the years. The new Justice League is just there like the police. Even Superman became so lonely and forgotten that a fucking parasite controls him for years and no one notices.

Also Luthor or Brainiac?

>>1027539

I understand the need to avoid jerking off one villain but BTAS also had plenty of episodes that built up the world or just had villain of the week. But then you had villains like Joker who could complement the character. I think this is something more clearly seen in STAS w/Luthor and Brainiac. Both complement and/pr reflect certain fundamental aspects of Superman's character such as superhuman stranger and unpowered mastermind(Lex) or how Brainiac is the only other survivor of Krypton and tried to keep its memory alive if only to fulfill its programming which reflected on Superman's loneliness and longing for the place where he belonged. Also how Superman is beneficient outsider and Brainiac is a murderous one.

Terry didn't have someone like that and Blight might be a monster who killed his dad but there is nothing in Blight that particularly complements or reflects Terry like Batman and Joker's order/chaos dichotomy.

>>1027552

I suppose you're right that Batman Beyond needed its own identity. I suppose my main problem with Terry is that he seems a much less interesting character than Bruce. While both Bruce and Terry had parents taken away from them it happened on very different terms and when they were different people. Terry had his father taken from him when he was practically a man and his father was killed as part of a coverup, whereas Bruce was a boy and his parents were killed in a random mugging. Also Terry was raised street smart, he had far less illusions about the world and was more well-adjusted while Bruce was living the idyllic childhood of the ultra-rich.

Bruce's drive for justice comes from the fact that he had his naivete so cruelly ripped away from him, that the world that seemed so good just randomly took his parents away and he was powerless to do anything in that moment which drove him to want to impose order and therefore justice on the amorphous, random force that stole his childhood. This is also what's compelling about his character, his fundamental emptiness. He has everything money, friends, health, accomplishment but can never feel content because his goal is fundamentally naive and unattainable. You can't impose order upon the entirety of nature and Batman cannot stop every crime and so he never settles down and he always has a feeling unfulfilled emptiness.

Terry on the other hand has a clear and defined reason for his suffering and he has the age to understand it. His father was killed by Blight and he wants to know why and have his revenge. After Blight his subdued, the reason he has left for donning the suit seems to be to fulfill Batman's legacy. But he does so out of a more well-adjusted sense of justice and respect towards Bruce. He doesn't have Bruce's emptiness, he does not become the Bat. In JLU he proposes to his long-time girlfriend and therefore settles down, he is content. I think the best way the show could've gone was to follow in the footsteps of the Freeze episode, where he realizes that there is no point to redemption because no one cares because that's where this show's heart was: the dichotomy of apathy vs. empathy, the desire to do good and to believe in something and follow a purpose in a world that doesn't seem to care whether it or you lives or dies.

I think that you already know the real answer.

>>1027512

Question, but are Dee and Dee the grand daughters of Joker?

>>1027587

Crash is much better than DJ. DJ just looks like Babby's First Render, Babby's First Brush Tool, while Mike Saenz was already the real first computer comic artist with Shatter, printed in hand-coloured dot matrix on the first Mac with programs he mostly wrote himself. It also has a real sly sense of humour, I still crack up at the line "I'll have to use intuition. …Release intuitive agents." Yeah, it's Tony Stark, of course he's written an App for intuition.

Mike Saenz never gets mentioned with William Gibson and Mike Pondsmith, but he is one of the OGs of Cyberpunk.

>>1027595

Only Harley confirmed if memory serves.

>>1027525

It was a joke. Did someone involved in this work on Ben 10 by chance? because that shirt design is EXACTLY the same.