/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>1025263

Isn't this the fault of the editors? Like they should give the references to the artists? They should know the character bio and unique traits. They should know the retconnected details. They really dont care… right?

>>1025284

You're correct. Designs and need to be very much kept on a consistent basis. I don't know what DC was like back before New 52 but modern comics especially have this problem. During Red Hood's New 52 run. No artist could decide if Red Hood wore a helmet, a mask, or some sort of inbetween. Sometimes it could express like it was part of his face ala Batman Beyond. Other times it was nothing more than a helmet. Those are the problems you get when you clearly have a editorial staff that aren't good at their jobs. Among many other things.

>>1025263

I kinda like the white streak. I always thought the part where he had red hair was extremely dumb though

What bothers me more when seeing the character are his mask designs because sometimes they're plain and smooth and other times they have notable features like a nose and mouth. They could just explain that by saying he has different masks but I don't think they ever have

It's more than likely done to differentiate him from the 4 other raven haired men in the bat family. Otherwise he'd just be Dick 2.0 really. They probably chose the streak over having red hair becuase Red hair is shit, and it looks ugly as sin on 90% of the people who have it.

Maybe Jason Todd goes to the same stylist as Manvers.

>>1025327

>raven haired

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>>1025333

> it was never consistent.

True but neither is a lot of things. Everyone always has different faces, everyone has different shades of black and blue for hair, even batman's body shape and size changes from issue to issue.

I think most people stopped caring about that stuff.

>>1025336

That's probably one of the biggest factors holding comic books back. There's no consistency to anything. Not designs, layouts, settings, characters, costumes, etc. It all changes in the blink of an eye just because of new creators stepping in. Yes that works if you're just making new stories. But not if it's all supposed to be connected in one big web of stories. No one wants to waste time going through all that just for nothing to really be given high enough quality of thought for the sake of consistency.

I'm ranting at this point. Just makes me angry. We need a crash so comic companies get their heads out of their asses already. I wish we had the same discipline and planning as the Japanese do for their manga. They most importantly have stories that begin and end. Unless it's One Piece, Berserk, Detective Conan, or that one about the one eye yokai mystery solver and his eyeball dad. Those last forever.

>>1025419

They have no story structure, no consistency, constantly rebooted, relaunched, retconned, and never end. How does any of that sound good compared to a manga that begins and ends with a writer with actual passion for what they're creating?

>>1025429

You just did it again. You compared a franchise of heroes, like DC, to a single manga with a single artist and writer.

Now go compare Berserk to Gaiman's Sandman.

You're being quite disingenuous in your comparisons and it doesn't serve to help your cause.

>>1025430

Manga/Anime do not suffer from the same bullshit that is the comic industry (infinite reboots with zero consistency), anon.

Most of the mainstream comics are episodic in nature, instead of a continuous linear story.

And Berserk has only one source material, unlike all the man-mans.

>>1025432

>bullshit that is the comic industry (infinite reboots with zero consistency)

Are you fucking with me for fun or suffering from a handicap that impacts your reading comprehension?

>>1025419

>Alternately, lots of 4-12 issue stories that are standalone from the Big 2 or from another publisher all together are extremely consistent.

>>1025430

>Gaiman's Sandman.

Stop the weeb attitude for 5 minutes and read what you're replying to before you embarrass yourself further.

>>1025430

Neil Gaiman's Sandman suffers from being tied into the multiverse of DC related material. Meaning all these writers can do whatever they want with the characters. See Dark Nights Metal for what they do with Dream. But this is only one example of a comic story/franchise that isn't being juggled by endless writers and authors constantly. Compared to the rest of the industry with constantly fluctuating creators and story lines that change everything as they go. I don't know why you're bringing this up at all.

>>1025437

Masashi Kishimoto's Naruto suffers from being tied into the multiverse of Nauto related material. Meaning all these writers can do whatever they want with the characters. See Boruto for what they do with Lee. But this is only one example of a manga story/franchise that isn't being juggled by endless writers and authors constantly.

Stop cherrypicking and comparing apples to oranges.

>>1025439

You're the one who's cherry picking by saying that minis, one offs, and what ifs don't have any of the problems with consistency I began to argue the comic industry have. But that's obvious. You haven't made any point to prove or disprove that these problems aren't effecting the bulks of the industry. You're completely ignoring what I said in the first place.

And now you think you're being so clever by just taking my sentence and changing it to Naruto and Boruto. You're being childish at this point and ignoring what my whole frustration with the industry stems from. It's inconsistency and endless rehashing of characters. Why do you not understand that's a problem? Yes shonen manga like Naruto or One Piece do this too. I acknowledged this at the very start. But, very much like comic book minis, this is the minority. The majority is stories with beginnings and endings that don't get constantly dug out of the graves, changed completely, then force fed to people while saying they're the original versions from before. But this DOES happen with the comic book industry.

>>1025440

>the only publishers to produce comics are the big two

You're actually retarded. I only used Sandman as it was a fairly well read comic, just like you using Berserk and One Piece.

Go fuck off the board if you legitimately think that the only things to be made in the western industry are minis, one offs or what ifs of larger on-goings. You clearly don't like it so stop huffing your own farts and praising anime/manga at every chance.

>>1025442

>literally no argument

Great talking with you anon.

>>1025443

You only talked about the big two, so you're entry-level at best and just come here to act superior and shove Japshit into a western board.

Go to /a/ or /animu/ instead. Every time you faggots come here and talk about manga/anime, people on the board tell you to fuck off and you sulk, act like you're being persecuted and call them braindead, then go off to gloat about how you absolutely #destroyed their arguments.

It's the most reddit fucking approach to online discussions and adds nothing but resentment to either side.

If you want to talk about comics, that's fine, but stop finding ways to shove "MUH SUPERIOR NIPPONESE!" into everything. No one cares, else they're be reading that instead. Many, myself included, read both, but I don't go posting on /a/ about how much better action scenes and colourings are in western comics.

>>1025445

I only mention the big two because, surprise, they're the biggest names in the comic industry and have "characters" so deeply entrenched into the culture of america that you'd be hard pressed to find a child that doesn't know what Spider-man or Batman is. So naturally I'm going to put a lot of criticism against them as their the ones who basically shaped the comic book industry in the first place. If you wanna talk about indies that are good and have consistency then go right ahead. I'd encourage you to give me hope that comics aren't all trash. But all you've done is insult me and provide no arguments to back up your claims that it's not all bad. Come back with actual arguments before you have a hissy fit just because someone moved onto the better medium of graphic story telling.