Cannabis in relation to scripture

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Cannabis in relation to scripture 01/28/19 (Mon) 15:42:55 2faeea No.1105

Are we allowed to discuss cannabis on this board?

Caught a ban on /christian/ for arguing in favor of while the thread itself remains and the against position can dogpile on.

I agree that intoxication should be avoided and that addiction is a possibility but is the plant itself and its many uses a sin?

I'll admit I do smoke on occasion to deal with my horrible IBS-D symptoms. I've tried diet changes, exercise, pills, etc. But none of that cured my problems than a bowl or joint of a sativa strain.

I've prayed a lot on this and have asked God numerous occasions to help me but at the end of the day nearly every meal I eat is a roll of the dice whether or not I'm going to be peeing out my b-hole within the next few minutes from that meal because of an IBS flare up.

Is being tied to a toilet for the rest of my life my cross to bear?

What are your thoughts on it?

01/28/19 (Mon) 16:07:21 b224d6 No.1106

>Are we allowed to discuss cannabis on this board?

Of course

>I agree that intoxication should be avoided and that addiction is a possibility but is the plant itself and its many uses a sin?

You worded this very well to get right to the point.

Getting intoxicated via recreational drugs is easy to argue as wrong from how the Bible views drunkenness

Ephesians 5 says to "be not drunk with wine", and contrasts that with being filled with the spirit. That same chapter still permits some wine for illness. I think the obvious conclusion is that an intoxicating substance is permissible if there's a valid reason that doesn't lead to intoxication.

We should be prude about what qualifies as intoxication though. If you ask me, anything that brings deviation from normal behavior is intoxication and thereby sin. Being "buzzed" is sin.

The secondary argument is against it's use as a legally controlled substance, but that's really only compelling to statist bootlickers who love to be oppressed.

Does your use bring intoxication?

01/28/19 (Mon) 16:26:25 2faeea No.1107

>>1106

Mileage my vary for each person but for me personally, I can smoke and be fine.

Is it a slightly altered state?

Absolutely.

Does that mean I'm intoxicated though?

That's what I'm iffy on.

Used to be a bottle-a-day drunk and thank God that part of me died a long time ago so I'm well aware of how bad intoxication can be.

However when I smoke it's not even close or comparable imo to being drunk.

I can still function, reason, and recall my favorite bible verses on queue… so that's what I'm not sure of.

I think cannabis caught a bad rap from prohibitionist 'reefer madness' films and other faulty studies so I fully understand how people can view *any* cannabis use as sin.

I can't be certain though as I know the flesh lies and tempts with what we think is right so I know that I can be 100% in the wrong.

Its difficult for me however as it's the one thing that helps my health issues. I've tried CBD products to avoid the high that comes with any thc ingestion but it's only a fraction of the relief I get from ingesting thc along with cbd.

01/28/19 (Mon) 16:30:56 b224d6 No.1108

>>1107

How can you define intoxication as anything but an altered state without being arbitrary?

01/28/19 (Mon) 17:04:18 2faeea No.1109

>>1108

That's ultimately what I struggle with.

Do I avoid it and just deal with the literal pain in the butt symptoms or partake and hope my understanding of intoxication won't cause me to stumble?

Again I know I could be completely in the wrong but I can't imagine God creating and giving me something that 100% helps my quality of life but also will 100% be sin.

I switched to CBD as an alternative but as I said in my original post it's barely effective compared to thc/CBD products that unfortunately come with a high.

I despise stoner culture and churches that are trying to integrate it into their services as I view it not as some spiritual means of enlightenment but actual medicine so I'm not glued to the john from eating toast.

01/28/19 (Mon) 20:20:20 b224d6 No.1110

>>1109

Is there a way to get the good medicinal effects maybe without smoking it and becoming intoxicated?

There seems to be an appropriate use for even mind altering substances in a medicinal setting. Nobody makes the case that medicinal morphine is amoral, but it's much more dangerous than marijuana.

01/28/19 (Mon) 20:44:06 d397f5 No.1111

Medical use is fine, even if there are unfortunate side effects.

Just look at all they guys with cancer with the terrible pain and complete lack of appetite they have.

Weed helps them a bit there, so I'm all for it, even if it causes a bit of an altered state.

I only tried weed once, but the only effect that it had on me was an altered appetite, meaning that I enjoyed food a lot more than I usually do. I also had some "enlightened ideas" but that's it. Definitely not something to pay money for tbh.

01/29/19 (Tue) 03:03:52 76152c No.1132

nigger do you smoke fruit

02/03/19 (Sun) 11:18:40 de3b8e No.1215

>>1107

>Does that mean I'm intoxicated though?

>That's what I'm iffy on.

You can lie to yourself, but does it serve you in your walk with God? There are safe ways to consume cannabis for medical purposes which do not produce intoxication, and smoking it is not one of them.

02/03/19 (Sun) 20:44:02 5f62ce No.1232

>>1215

Glad you could name them for me friend…

Already said I've tried cbd products and their effectiveness is low.

02/05/19 (Tue) 00:31:27 0ee3ed No.1244

>>1232

Why not stick to edibles? You'll lose a lot of the euphoriant aspect and still get the physical comfort.

I've seen more than a few people with medical marijuana prescriptions do this if they weren't interested in the high.

02/26/19 (Tue) 12:50:40 a9474b No.1564

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>>1105

>i have disease

>"cure" after century of scare-mongering by cotton industry is now not illegal

>but there's still scare-mongering guilt in me

>you wouldn't avoid taking antibiotics for infection

>you wouldn't avoid headache tablets for migraine

>you wouldn't avoid seeing your doctor about depression

> … oh, actually … scratch that one …

personally don't see the problem. it's medicine. it works. end-thread.

Of course, I am working off the assumption you're not lying to us and this is a nicely packaged lie to self-justify your pursuit of a Rasta lifestyle. Lie to us, fine, there is judgement for this – but never lie to yourself.

I would avoid dependency and intoxication, and continue looking for non-smoking alternatives, but as an interim mitigating solution ('cuz I am sure it doesn't cure it, as such), I would be all-in. Provided legal in your state.

>Is being tied to a toilet for the rest of my life my cross to bear?

I agree this is an option to consider, but the thing is you've found a "cure", which cross-to-bear diseases like terminal cancer or being irreversibly gay do not have as options. God has provided. And I am sure it is not a perfect solution, anyway, and so I would keep looking for something better. I think the side effects of cannabis (classic loss of lucidity being but one; smoke damages lungs; addiction?) are not to be underestimated.

That's my thoughts, but then I accept I am probably well out-of-step with most conservative independent baptists who'll rankle at the suggestion it's banning was a conspiracy.