ba0faf No.2386814
HOLD UP
LEMME GET IT STARTED
B.B. WITH THE ROBINS
LOOKIN ALL RETARDED
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2584cc No.2386820
>>2386817
I said I'm not evil
But I am rude. And most importantly, lazy
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ba0faf No.2386821
sorry for mention erio that was lurkin in my QR when i posted
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59ed29 No.2386822
>>2386819
Do u think authoritarian communism is the only kind unironically
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7f7d87 No.2386823
>>2386819
Fascism believes in private ownership and capitalism. It just has a very heavy handed government intervention into it.
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68c7fc No.2386824
>>2386819
Kind of. They are both on the far left in terms of them wanting strict government controls.
Fascists unite around a National Identity while communists unite around the working class and the poor, essentially.
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db74f2 No.2386825
>>2386804 (Mandy)
Try it, faggo.
>>2386812 (Erio)
>I'm going to twist your words to make it seem like you support the most undesirable thing on the planet over something more reasonable that I'm ignoring is actually just as bad
Are you jealous or something?
Why does this make you so mad?
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68c7fc No.2386826
>>2386825
I'm bringing the whole army. I might have to climb the mountains, but I will be bringing a dozen rifles with me. Even if you take down a half of us, you are dead, kiddo.
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db74f2 No.2386827
>>2386826
I wanted a positive k/dr when I go out anyway.
You the best, Mandy.
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1bd53f No.2386828
>>2386822
How else could it be supported on a large scale without the threats against citizens by the state?
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68c7fc No.2386829
>>2386827
Lord knows it will be the first positive k/d you've ever seen. Figure ought to give you something. Just because you are a commie and deserve to die, doesn't mean you don't deserve to die as a fallen brother.
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fcebc3 No.2386830
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2584cc No.2386831
The problem I see with claiming "fascism holds belief in private ownership" is that most if not all known fascist states existed during a state of Total War geared economy.
There is no private ownership when the state comes in and basically takes over factories and manufacturing for the sake of weapon's production, agricultural facilities for food rationing, and taking over communications companies to maintain propaganda campaigns for said Total War.
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db74f2 No.2386832
>>2386829
Oof.
Let 'em all know I fought hard. I'll see you in Valhalla.
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68c7fc No.2386833
>>2386831
I would actually agree. Nazism specifically was not what I would call a capitalist economy.
>>2386832
In Valhalla we shall drink and fight again, shoulder to shoulder this time.
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c47a36 No.2386834
I'll see you in Van Halen
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fcebc3 No.2386835
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db74f2 No.2386836
>>2386831
>when you send government inspectors out to every industry, and they scrutinize every tiny detail so hard that even the sodding screws have waffenamt stamps on them
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c47a36 No.2386837
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fcebc3 No.2386838
>>2386837
What've you been up to?
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2584cc No.2386839
>>2386833
It's like the "well that's not REAL communism" thing. Sure they both MAY work in a vacuum, but both systems end up being founded after some manner of military/civil strife that skews the system heavily.
>>2386836
WELL
OILED for a limited time
MACHINE
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c47a36 No.2386840
>>2386838
Some stuff. Some things.
Who were you before?
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2002e2 No.2386841
>>2386831
I was speaking in principle, not really in practice.
Though, Mussolini and Hitler didn't seize everything initially but outright dumped public funds into companies that ended up state property as the war neared. Fascism in definition is "social democracy" taken to its absolute extreme with populism, nationalism and socialism being mixed together until the state controls most aspects of a person's life.
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fcebc3 No.2386842
>>2386840
Cato.
There is a Willow in here
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c47a36 No.2386843
>>2386842
Did you see when I posted as you, sempai?
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517fac No.2386844
Sorting computer shit is a pain.
How goes it?
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2002e2 No.2386845
>>2386841
Note, the notion of "democracy" goes out the window as power is gained but still has a facade of it as the will of the people bullshit.
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fcebc3 No.2386846
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68c7fc No.2386847
>>2386839
Likely. With communism there is no chance of a government being set up in that fashion without a bloody revolution. With Fascism, the best you get is elections like Hitler and Mussolini.
>>2386841
At first blush I agree with your outlooks.
>>2386844
Stop shorting shit then.
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517fac No.2386848
>>2386847
I'm trying to clean it up though.
My computer is unorganized as hell.
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c47a36 No.2386849
>>2386846
:3c Well mission accomplished either way.
How's it been with your science?
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2584cc No.2386850
>>2386841
They never 'officially' claimed anything. But they imposed circumstances where every private company had to answer to the government and were under heavy watch.
But again, war economies and all that. Who know what would've happened if that whole "world war" business wasn't a thing.
Same with Gommunism, sure you can say you idealize wealth redistribution amongst the workers, but I've yet to see state in which the leaders didn't suddenly live in palaces while essentially rationing life to the peasants.
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68c7fc No.2386851
>>2386848
As long as you are not dealing with fecal matter.
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59ed29 No.2386852
>>2386825
It's been useful; it helps me identify /pol/tard types before they even say anything to give it away
>>2386828
That's an argument I'm not going to have; just pointing out that being communist doesn't imply being authoritarian
There's a wide range of kinds from the authoritarian Stalin kind to anarcho-communism
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c41ada No.2386853
Don't touch my bread, government.
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fcebc3 No.2386854
>>2386849
Well now Ii'm curious! Was it in the last thread?
It is going extremely slowly and I am probably gonna take an extra semester to finish my Masters project but I am accepted for the Ph.D. and am on the team opening the lunar core sample that has never been opened before
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517fac No.2386855
>>2386851
Nah. I don't deal in doody.
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2584cc No.2386856
>>2386847
Every major communist state was started as the result of some sort of internal conflict. You can bet your ass the leader of the winning team won't downgrade to a 1 bedroom apartment like every other tom dick and harry.
Nigga's gonna live in the PEOPLE'S PALACE with all the money. And anyone who says that's fucked up goes to Gulagtown
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db74f2 No.2386857
>>2386852
The way you say it makes me feel like you hate me~
One of these days there's gonna be an exception to the rule.
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c47a36 No.2386858
>>2386854
yis. it was just a nin-face lol
:O oh wow. gonna have to call you doctor-sempai soon!
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95f270 No.2386859
All you guys talk about is politics now because of Trump
Please stop being boring
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2002e2 No.2386860
>>2386850
Going off of political leaders and party officials before and during the war, not just the two leaders, postwar was mostly just oppressive control of the day to day from culture to economy. They would let individuals have choice in their daily life and businesses have choice in their pursuits but it was very much still a "march along to the beat of our drum". Assuming they already finished the purges at that point.
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fcebc3 No.2386861
>>2386858
If three-ish years counts as soon!
I will be Master-senpai soon, tho
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95f270 No.2386862
none of you talked about politics before 2016
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c47a36 No.2386863
>>2386861
I mean you've been a Master for a while to be fair~
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68c7fc No.2386864
>>2386852
Anarcho-communism still requires force in order to get the whole group to conform. No matter how you paint it, communism requires force at the highest societal level, and if that isn't authoritarian, I am not sure what is.
>>2386855
Not even Duty?
>>2386856
Yeah, basically. Because the kind of person who wants communism is a pussy, and pussies love when they get power of any kind.
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517fac No.2386865
>>2386864
I don't deal in servitude.
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1bd53f No.2386866
>>2386859
Politics can be fun.
It usually turns into walls of text and later shitposting, but you can learn to appreciate it as long as it isn't daily.
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68c7fc No.2386867
>>2386865
Not even for me?
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95f270 No.2386868
you are all choosing to place labels on yourself and draw further away from the truth
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2002e2 No.2386869
>>2386864
Communalism is technically local focused communism that doesn't really require force but it also has nothing to keep your neighbors from taking your hippie palace from you. They usually just become socially oppressive sipping the kool-aid places, though.
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2584cc No.2386870
>>2386859
Discussing turn of the 20th century political systems is hella more interesting than discussing politics today
>>2386864
>Because the kind of person who wants communism is a pussy, and pussies love when they get power of any kind.
The ones going for the power aren't pussies at all, they knew what they want from the start, they just knew what to tell the plebs and the proletariat to get their support.
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95f270 No.2386871
>>2386866
its been daily for two+ years
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517fac No.2386872
>>2386867
Depends on what you offer me in return.
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95f270 No.2386873
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fcebc3 No.2386874
>>2386863
Up until my kitten dropped off the map~
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c47a36 No.2386875
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2584cc No.2386876
>>2386873
History is always fun to discuss
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68c7fc No.2386877
>>2386869
It also isn't a large scale kind of thing, though.
>>2386870
Sometimes. It depends on the situation and the scope of power.
>>2386872
What would you require?
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95f270 No.2386878
Please break free from the political labels.
Labels make a person boring
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c41ada No.2386879
>>2386864
>communism requires force at the highest societal level
I'm glad we invented capitalism so that society no longer has to use violence to enforce laws and keep the social order stratified.
I've got mine, Jack.
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95f270 No.2386880
>>2386876
Yes but getting into heated textwalls for over two years about it is not
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2002e2 No.2386881
>>2386877
Eh, there's been pushes for it on larger scales but it's all just been a bunch of pot smoking hippies that are otherwise dregs on society.
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517fac No.2386882
>>2386877
Honestly a fucking back rub and some whiskey.
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fcebc3 No.2386883
>>2386875
I'm more disappointed you never hit me up when you got back!
>>2386878
Why have a name, then?
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95f270 No.2386884
Break free from the FOX NEWS brainwashing
Become your own person
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95f270 No.2386885
>>2386883
I didn't want a name, Erio gave it to me >:(
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c47a36 No.2386886
>>2386883
u still on discord?
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2584cc No.2386887
>>2386877
I guess being Kim Jong Un's cabinet requires a LOT of sucking up
>>2386880
History is history, there's little to really fit heated personal attacks there. still some, but not as much as regular politics discussion
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68c7fc No.2386888
>>2386879
Capitalism requires force as well, and I am not claiming otherwise.
I am commenting that to say communism is violence free is a flat out lie. Politics is violence.
>>2386881
They deserve nothing more than a short drop and a quick stop.
>>2386882
God I could go for that as well.
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fcebc3 No.2386889
>>2386886
Of course
Cato#3865
>>2386885
Really, that long ago?
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95f270 No.2386890
>>2386887
Why don't you go to >>>/pol/?
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95f270 No.2386891
>>2386889
Yeah in January 2013
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68c7fc No.2386892
>>2386887
I'm sure. But how would you describe Kim Jong Un?
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95f270 No.2386893
>>2386892
Stop posting lewd
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68c7fc No.2386894
>>2386893
Stop killing dogs.
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2584cc No.2386895
>>2386890
Why would I want to?
>>2386892
How would I describe him?
BUTTHURT
CHUNGUS
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2002e2 No.2386896
>>2386888
It is sort of mildly amusing that the biggest pushers for oppressive levels of wealth redistribution are people at the lower economic levels that would get the most handouts. Just look at any of the comments calling for universal basic income on anything AOC posts. Clicking their profile shows they're most unemployed. Confirmation bias, sure. Funny nonetheless.
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517fac No.2386897
>>2386888
So what are you up to?
Seems kind of dull here tonight.
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95f270 No.2386898
>>2386894
I did stop
>>2386895
Because I've read the conversations here and I think you can find better conversations in >>>/pol/
Just saying
People here aren't really that smart
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59ed29 No.2386899
>every political position that requires violence is authoritarian, and also all political positions require violence
Mandy logic is a wild ride
>>2386864
The idea is it's voluntary
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68c7fc No.2386900
>>2386895
Interesting.
>>2386896
I would agree. I am absolutely against the idea. I already pay enough taxes, and I don't care if I get 1,000 every month, I don't want to pay anymore. A VAT is also something I do not want to see in the USA.
>>2386897
Not much. Just sipping on some bushmills and reading some stuff. You?
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2584cc No.2386901
>>2386898
Doubtful
I would not enjoy /pol/
>>2386900
Thank god I'm not North Korean else i'd be killed by howitzer or something
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95f270 No.2386902
>>2386899
tell mandy i stopped mutilating doggos
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2002e2 No.2386903
>>2386900
Most plans on the table at the moment won't really increase your income tax levels. It's all structured against the top. You don't really make enough money for any of the democratic candidates tax reform plans to affect you negatively. You can argue against the principle but it's not something that really is going to affect you.
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95f270 No.2386904
>>2386901
Alright fine you may continue with your political conversations now and forever
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517fac No.2386905
>>2386900
Watching youtube. Not much to do honestly.
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95f270 No.2386906
>>2386905
You can kill yourself
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2584cc No.2386907
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95f270 No.2386908
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c41ada No.2386909
>>2386899
It don't matter
None of this matters
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2584cc No.2386910
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68c7fc No.2386911
>>2386898
Oh? For good?
>>2386899
Well, by definition, all governments are authoritarian to a degree. The bigger the government, the more influence, the more authoritarian.
Not really what I was going after. Was more just pointing out that there is no way to get everybody to conform without violence or the threat thereof. Assuming otherwise is living in a fantasy.
>>2386901
A firing squad at the least.
>>2386903
I would mostly agree. The income I would get would likely outweigh any increase I would see. I don't agree that that is sufficient justification for me to agree with it, though. I don't think it would be good for the economy, and I don't think it would be good for the people.
We need to start deconstructing these welfare systems, not making them universal.
>>2386905
I agree.
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517fac No.2386912
>>2386911
Kind of want to drag out my PS1 and play FF7.
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7b2858 No.2386913
nigga nigga nigga im 100% nigga
nigga nigga nigga im 200% nigga
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68c7fc No.2386914
>>2386912
Make sure to name Barret, Nigger.
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517fac No.2386915
>>2386914
I never use him.
He and Stiener were my least used characters in FF games, but even Stiener became one of my favorites when I got older.
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2002e2 No.2386916
>>2386911
I can only align with libertarian beliefs when money is stripped from politics. No politician is calling for lower taxes and government intrusion on principle alone; they have financial interests in doing so.
I can respect a person's beliefs in libertarianism; I cannot respect a poltician's.
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95f270 No.2386917
>>2386910
ree the picture..
>>2386911
its been a few months
i saw a stray dog a week ago and I didn't stalk it, i think that's an improvement for me so far
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95f270 No.2386918
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2584cc No.2386919
>>2386917
It's cute, I suppose
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7b2858 No.2386920
>>2386918
you cannot fathom my nigger level
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95f270 No.2386921
>>2386919
what did you do today?
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68c7fc No.2386922
>>2386915
It is because he is black, huh?
>>2386916
God I wish we could actually get a libertarian candidate though, who had a chance. The longer I live, it becomes the only sensible stance to take on politics.
>>2386917
I am unsure if I trust you, but I want to.
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2584cc No.2386923
>>2386921
Work, mostly. Played a tiny bit of vidya
You?
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95f270 No.2386924
>>2386920
do think the social influence theory is wrong?
i grew up in the south bronx like AOC and i'm not a nigger at all
i don't do bad things
and i'm really polite to everyone
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517fac No.2386925
>>2386922
I just like literally everyone else more.
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95f270 No.2386926
>>2386922
that's fine
i don't trust myself right now either
i have a really bad stalking problem though
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2002e2 No.2386927
>>2386922
The closest to a Libertarian candidate we got on a national stage was Ross Perot, a billionaire who just wanted to make their own taxes lower.
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95f270 No.2386928
>>2386923
Uhmmm I just helped my parents all day
No time for myself, really...
I should just be their home attendant and get paid for that.
What vidya did you play?
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95f270 No.2386929
I think I want to vote for Bootyjudge.
I'm hearing great things about him on MSM
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2584cc No.2386930
>>2386928
That sounds like a drag.
Just played battlefield 5, works as a good brainless shooter with a friend or two
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68c7fc No.2386931
>>2386925
But Aeris dies.
>>2386926
I see. Maybe you shouldn't do that.
>>2386927
We won't ever get an actual libertarian in office. That is the one shitty thing about American politics. We are stuck with two parties, that are relatively well defined.
I am not hopeful for the political landscape.
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2002e2 No.2386932
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517fac No.2386933
>>2386931
Just use the Yufi warp and get her back.
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68c7fc No.2386934
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95f270 No.2386935
>>2386930
i like mindless killing
oh, uhm... is that game not on steam? I can't find it
>>2386931
i'm really trying my best
"trying and doing are two different things!"
i know, mom T~T
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2002e2 No.2386936
>>2386931
The core values of those parties shift constantly.
There's no real definition to either historically that matters to day.
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517fac No.2386937
>>2386934
I mean, she never gets a really good weapon because her last one is pretty early in the game. And you can heal with others pretty easy.
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2584cc No.2386938
>>2386935
It's Origin only
>>2386932
I went from Bf3, skipped 4 and went to BF1 and then hated it
BFV has potential, but DICE can't fucking manage it well
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95f270 No.2386939
stalking, mutilation, torture and murder, in that order. that is the best way to forget boredom
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95f270 No.2386940
>>2386938
what's origin.........................................
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2584cc No.2386941
>>2386940
EA's video game store.
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c41ada No.2386942
>>2386939
Play a video game you stupid fucking cretin.
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7b2858 No.2386943
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95f270 No.2386944
>>2386941
do i play it on xbox?
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1bd53f No.2386945
Friday soon.
I would like a nice rest.
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2002e2 No.2386946
>>2386938
4 was 3 but classes were a little different. BFBC2 had my favorite class system of roles where assault got ammo boxes and lmgs got health packs/revives because it sort of forced Assault to not be literally everyone that isn't a retard sniper in a bush going minutes between kills.
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95f270 No.2386947
>>2386942
video games don't really do it for me anymore
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95f270 No.2386948
>>2386943
its okay, forget I asked
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68c7fc No.2386949
>>2386935
What made you to decide to do this?
>>2386936
To a point, but we are talking about a timeframe of decades. The current societal beliefs are rather well defined along party lines, to a point. And it always seems that the younger voters have to vote with the political beliefs of the previous generation. I would wager most conservatives are not as religious nowadays as they were last generation, yet most politicians are. That sort of thing.
I am not hopeful for the next few decades.
>>2386937
She was useless. Throw her to the curb.
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95f270 No.2386950
>>2386945
Friday bad >:(
Rest bad >:(
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2584cc No.2386951
>>2386944
I mean you COULD play it on xbox I guess. I have it on PC
>>2386946
Bad Company 2 was a fucking gem
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7b2858 No.2386952
>>2386948
good luck sorting out your issues
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95f270 No.2386953
>>2386949
hmmmm its just sorta happening on its own
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2002e2 No.2386954
>>2386949
>most conservatives are not as religious nowadays as they were last generation, yet most politicians are.
It's the inverse. Politicians pander more to the religious right voter base while having no real religious notions apart from it winning them votes. The evangelical vote went to Trump, a man who I'm not even sure has read a single chapter of the bible.
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d69494 No.2386955
i am also in this thread now
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95f270 No.2386956
>>2386951
Oh nice
Hmmm PC too, huh...
Its hard to play on a keyboard... what do?
>>2386952
thank you bad doggo
i really appreciate that
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95f270 No.2386957
>>2386955
have a free lewd
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7b2858 No.2386958
If you started selling Taco Bowls with bible verses on the napkin I bed Trump could still finish the bible before he dies.
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7b2858 No.2386959
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d69494 No.2386960
>>2386957
Pretty tame for a lewd.
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2002e2 No.2386961
>>2386951
>just using SMGs and C4 to blow up literally everything
>See a sniper? Stealth C4.
>See a tank? Stealth C4.
>See a helicopter? Tracker dart pistol and RPG or just using years of trial and error advanced calculus to hit them midair.
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68c7fc No.2386962
>>2386953
There was no will to do it? Why are you trying then?
>>2386954
I agree with the pandering part, but I am not sure I would agree with the premise that most conservatives are religious. At least, I know plenty who are not. Admittedly, anecdotal.
Yet the party is still firmly held by the idea that it's leaders must be devout christians who base their beliefs and opinions on the bible.
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7b2858 No.2386963
Does blood-chan need to shove their asses in our face any more aggressively though,
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2584cc No.2386964
>>2386956
Git
Gud
>>2386961
Shotgun + Slug sniping master race coming through
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c41ada No.2386965
>>2386958
I love Hispanics!
Same energy as this.
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d69494 No.2386966
>>2386957
what tracer said
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2002e2 No.2386967
>>2386962
>Yet the party is still firmly held by the idea that it's leaders must be devout christians who base their beliefs and opinions on the bible.
I'm pretty sure 2016 proved that wrong. Religiosity of their politicians matter less than social conservative beliefs.
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68c7fc No.2386968
>>2386967
That's fair, actually.
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95f270 No.2386969
>>2386960
but don't you just wanna pull her pants down and sniff her anus?
>>2386962
idk... idk, idk, i'ma leave, bye.
>>2386963
no
>>2386964
no, bye
>>2386966
Don't you have a mind of your own anymore?
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2584cc No.2386970
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d69494 No.2386971
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d69494 No.2386972
>>2386969
yeah but he made a good point
you're too tame
have you lost your edge?
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b0e9d6 No.2386973
It's so saead that you're leavin...
It takes time, to believe it
...But after all is said and done
...ur gonna be the lonely one, oh
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c89d93 No.2386974
>>2386971
I'll give you $5 to give Nezi pink eye
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d69494 No.2386975
>>2386974
I don't think you have the money.
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7b2858 No.2386976
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517fac No.2386977
Finally a stroke of good luck in ranked.
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c89d93 No.2386978
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d69494 No.2386979
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d69494 No.2386980
>>2386978
It's not nice to take things from your moms purse.
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c89d93 No.2386981
Good thing nobody knows blurry mandarin/kanji
>>2386980
She wasn't my mom but fair point.
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c41ada No.2386982
>>2386979
Yeah let's see you figure it out.
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7b2858 No.2386983
Good thing no one who isn't completely retarded would even pretend to be someone else here anyways.
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517fac No.2386984
>>2386982
Come on man. You know he isn't that bright.
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7b2858 No.2386985
Is it cheap shots at Nezi day again? That's the third time this week.
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d69494 No.2386986
it's okay, they have stressful lives and need to release
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9da806 No.2386987
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7b2858 No.2386988
Yea I guess they thought you were serious about that for some reason.
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d69494 No.2386989
>>2386986
I thought that's what the dog was for.
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517fac No.2386990
>>2386985
Every day is Nezi is Shit day.
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d69494 No.2386991
>>2386987
toybox is a slang term for vagina?
huh....
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d69494 No.2386992
>>2386991
Box is a term for vagina.
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7b2858 No.2386993
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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9da806 No.2386994
>>2386991
I'm sure it can be gay'ed too and used for the tailpipe.
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9da806 No.2386995
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253611 No.2386996
if we could agree on a shared set of facts we'd agree on politics
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c41ada No.2386997
>>2386996
The sky is blue and the problem is the jews
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517fac No.2386998
>>2386996
The sky is not blue.
Jews might be the cause.
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253611 No.2386999
>>2386997
the sky is generally blue during the day
and to blame an entire group like that is imprecise and pretty useless
because even if you got rid of all the jews, you'd still have greed and corruption. and if you're someone that's bothered by broad generalizations, you also end up accusing a lot of innocent jews.
what you should do is put the work into finding out which jews (and you'll tend to find it's often non-jews as well) are doing the things you don't like, and to use a scalpel over a hammer
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c41ada No.2387000
>>2386999
It was a shitpost.
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517fac No.2387001
Is Kanra advocating for Holocaust 2; Electric Boogaloo?
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253611 No.2387002
eg. the social orchestration of society via cable news is often something attributed to the jewery. but those responsible are less than 0.01% of jews, and are made up of lots of other people too
if anyone was actually struggling with the jewish question, the answer was always to be precise and lucid and discerning
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9da806 No.2387003
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253611 No.2387004
>>2387000
dunno, the jewish question does occasionally need answering or people will keep questioning it
>>2387001
it may seem that way, but what I'm actually saying is you should align your actions with your outcomes, and while removing the jews would alleviate some of the corruption, it's like using a hammer to solve a scalpel problem
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253611 No.2387005
as for the blacks
my solution has been to put cameras everywhere
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c41ada No.2387006
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517fac No.2387007
>>2387004
Pull them out. Stem and root.
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253611 No.2387008
>>2387007
the bad ones, yes
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517fac No.2387009
>>2387008
The hearts of men are black and tainted and needs must be cleansed.
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2002e2 No.2387010
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253611 No.2387011
and anyone who thinks communism is inherently bad or wouldn't work is lying to themselves
same goes for fascism
and if I had erio levels of determination I'd write something less off the cuff to prove we all agree
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d69494 No.2387012
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517fac No.2387013
>>2387011
To be honest Erio is more like "the more I say the more chances something I say will be right" but it's all just ranting in the end.
Rise above. Be better than that.
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6e44c8 No.2387014
>>2387011
if you're right about something but can't defend it then what is the point in even bringing it up?
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68c7fc No.2387015
>>2386996
That is both blind and optimistic.
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9da806 No.2387016
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253611 No.2387017
>>2387009
the hearts of men are *selfish but predictable and often satiable given purpose and belonging
>>2387010
go for it
>>2387012
yup. communism and fascism would both work. not together necessarily (though some fusion could also work)
>>2387013
he has written and done more elaborate stuff, and given the time he could probably make some eloquent points. but at the moment he is looking more to change minds than he is to lay out some boring truths.
>>2387014
because lazy but tldr it's not even hard to imagine, but think of any entry level version of fascism of a small group of people, and do the same for communism. keep adding people, and so long as their needs are sated, there's nothing inherently wrong or detrimental about either form of governance. even if they both have had bad track records in our case study history.
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253611 No.2387018
>>2387015
if we agree on a shared set of facts, even if we desire different outcomes, we should be able to agree that there are better ways of getting to those disparate outcomes given our shared facts
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517fac No.2387019
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68c7fc No.2387020
Define 'could work.'
My dick making your asshole bleed while you cry like a child and I beat the shit out of you 'could work.'
>>2387018
That implies we all think alike and interpret those facts the same way. All it takes is one late night argument over rules in a table-top to prove that theory wrong.
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6e44c8 No.2387021
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
very relatable song
>>2387017
you just make it sound like it's something that looks good on paper but in our attempts to make it work something always goes wrong. i think if someone were to actually talk about it/change another persons mind on it without giving evidence of it working before then they would have to break it all down. what went right and what went wrong. figure out if the problems have real solutions or if we as humans are just so fucked up that it can't work for us.
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6fcde8 No.2387022
>>2387011
>and anyone who thinks communism is inherently bad or wouldn't work is lying to themselves
ah I see kanra is still fucking retarded
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2002e2 No.2387023
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d69494 No.2387024
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6fcde8 No.2387025
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d69494 No.2387026
GRRRR CAPITALISM BAD
ME WANT FASCISM
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db74f2 No.2387027
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253611 No.2387028
>>2387020
then we add caveats, like we want it to work where the overwhelming majority of the population have purpose and positive psychologies etc.
then we adjust our method so that we create those things given our starting point of shared facts
doesn't matter how we think and interpret facts, just if those facts are what they are and represent reality
unless you're one of those knobs that think reality is subjective.
>>2387021
agree with everything you said there. and yes, to change a mind one would have to break it all down and ground solutions in reality, even accounting for the enigma that is human variability. methinks that several solutions lie in the fact we're actually pretty fucking similar for the overwhelming part.
>>2387022
psh
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253611 No.2387029
pls dont think i think im smart for thinking any of this
the simplified view of what I have in mind is that
you start with a small group of people, and pretty much any form of governance that sates the needs of its members is a valid form of governance, and there's nothing in fascism or communism that goes against sating needs. that's my theory.
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6fcde8 No.2387030
the more things change the more they stay the same
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6e44c8 No.2387031
>>2387028
words
honestly, i haven't been paying attention to why it was even brought up in the first place. what is wrong with the current system(or at least, why is it so bad that we have to switch?)
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6fcde8 No.2387032
>>2387029
>pls dont think i think im smart for thinking any of this
don't worry. there's exactly less than zero chance of that ever happening. in any circumstance. ever.
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7b2858 No.2387033
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517fac No.2387034
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d69494 No.2387035
MUH FASCISM GOOD IN THEORY
CONVERT TODAY, AMERICUNTS
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7b2858 No.2387036
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9da806 No.2387037
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253611 No.2387038
but it'd work tho
>>2387031
nothing afaic, but it's good to imagine dystopias and utopias once in a while
>>2387032
if anything this is extremely reductive and possibly retarded
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6fcde8 No.2387039
>>2387038
yes, that is the general response from anyone reading any post from you
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7b2858 No.2387040
he's right, driving up suicide rates from rising social unrest WOULD work
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6fcde8 No.2387041
>>2387040
if only kanra's suicide rate would be driven up
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7b2858 No.2387042
that's only a binary position though
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253611 No.2387043
aw :(
>>2387040
for all problems with organization and governance, there's technology and localization of power.
for everything else, there's soma.
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7b2858 No.2387044
>>2387043
I never used my soma's in persona 5 sorry
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d69494 No.2387045
I wish there was a way to code in a dunce cap that stuck on top of every image and the admin assigns it to your post ID when you say something stupid
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7b2858 No.2387046
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7b2858 No.2387047
>>2387045
I wonder how fast though would get played out/How many threads we would all be wearing one.
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7b2858 No.2387048
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d69494 No.2387049
>>2387047
I trust test to not over use it
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253611 No.2387050
>>2387045
fite me
what did I say that was stupid
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c41ada No.2387051
>>2387045
We all deserve one.
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7b2858 No.2387052
If they keep saying stupid things you should be able to put more Dunce caps on the Dunce cap.
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6fcde8 No.2387053
>>2387050
>what did I say that was stupid
the answer to this question from you is always "what didn't you say that was stupid"
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d69494 No.2387054
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6fcde8 No.2387055
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253611 No.2387056
>>2387054
maybe... maybe.
but am i wrong
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d69494 No.2387057
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6fcde8 No.2387058
>>2387056
>but am i wrong
literally always
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d69494 No.2387059
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7b2858 No.2387060
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253611 No.2387061
>>2387058
literally not always
>>2387059
then why aren't you leading with that
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7b2858 No.2387062
im never that galaxy brain right
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6fcde8 No.2387063
>>2387061
see, once again, wrong.
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253611 No.2387064
>pretty much any form of governance that sates the needs of its members is a valid form of governance, and there's nothing innate in fascism or communism that goes against sating needs. that's my theory.
everything I said stems from this
and this seems totally defensable
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6fcde8 No.2387065
sometimes I wonder what it would be like to be nearly braindead. then I remember that I'd never want to be kanra
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7b2858 No.2387066
but it's not feasible alongside innate human greed and corruption which you already mentioned in this thread
i dont understand what he's missing
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253611 No.2387067
>>2387065
says the guy acting like he's above it all
>>2387066
that's a good point and I don't have a rebuttal to that
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7b2858 No.2387068
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68c7fc No.2387069
>>2387028
We would all have to agree on those caveats and end goals to start. Then we would have to agree on the same course of action to get there.
Reality is subjective so far as perspective is subjective and imperative when talking about facts.
Unless you are going to become omniscient and find out the reason things are as they are without a trace of a doubt, that is. Otherwise, perspectives will matter, and facts are up to interpretation.
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57fc1e No.2387070
He is above it all.
He is an enlightened centrist.
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6fcde8 No.2387071
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6fcde8 No.2387072
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7b2858 No.2387073
i mean im grossly over-simplifying it when i said greed and corruption but i was paraphrasing him
Mandy is basically right in that we would have to agree on everything effectively ringing out originality on the largest scale imaginable.
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7b2858 No.2387074
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253611 No.2387075
>>2387069
reality is not subjective. and despite what we agree on, a course of action either gets us to our end goals with caveats or it does not. that's what I mean by there should be unanimous agreement if we start with the shared facts, because the equation should be true without perception.
sounds right to me.
>>2387070
ho-lee fuck, I didn't even say what I was personally for.
>>2387071
is dunning-kreuger the one where you lack confidence in your views and you desire to explain them and have them tested? or is it the one you're doing
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6fcde8 No.2387076
>>2387075
I think the one ur doing is being a fucking retard
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68c7fc No.2387077
>>2387075
That assumes that we know the exact results of a given action. Again, this is all theory crafted in a world where you have to be omniscient. That is why you are wrong here.
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0918ba No.2387078
>>2387030
more like, the more things change the more this ur mom lol
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7b2858 No.2387079
okay thats definitely you
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6fcde8 No.2387080
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253611 No.2387081
>>2387073
is there an objective reality we exist within? yes. pretty sure. if we can agree about the starting point, we should be able to agree about the steps to take to get to the ending point. literally my only claim. and it seems true. and such steps would exist irregardless of our perception.
>>2387076
>I think
you should check to make sure
>>2387077
but assuming we have this omniscience, the rest should follow. shouldn't it?
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0918ba No.2387082
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253611 No.2387083
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0918ba No.2387084
>>2387083
one of us
one of us
we accept you one of us
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2002e2 No.2387085
They're all manifestations of your self doubt calling you a retard to distract you from your utter genius.
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6fcde8 No.2387086
>>2387081
k I checked. it's true.
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68c7fc No.2387087
The only way what you are trying to explain can happen is if everybody on the planet was an android with a duplicate software. Hell, even then I would say there would likely be minor defects in the process that would create a few abnormal droids who come up with a different solution to a given problem.
>>2387081
Potentially, but then that comes back to us having to want the same things, exactly.
Perhaps you want to make everybody happy, while I want to make everybody but my bitch of an ex happy. This requires different courses of action, with a similar outcome.
Hell, why would this matter, even if I gave you your premise?
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517fac No.2387088
>>2387084
Gooble gobble gooble gobble.
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7b2858 No.2387089
>>2387081
The ending point is universal heat death, we live in a culture of avoidance not goal reaching.
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6fcde8 No.2387090
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6fcde8 No.2387091
imagine shutting ur board down because it actually has posters
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7b2858 No.2387092
Imagine Tsuchi going into his folder and clicking on that image thinking to himself "Ahh yes, I'm going to make a shitpost now."
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517fac No.2387093
Gums-chan got mad and rage quit his board.
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6fcde8 No.2387094
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2002e2 No.2387095
I'm taking credit for him locking the board.
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d69494 No.2387096
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6fcde8 No.2387097
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d7ff49 No.2387098
He killed the thread again!
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7291ba No.2387099
And when they were come to the place, which is called /imouto/, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Then said Cato, BadFox, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
- Smiles 23: 33-34
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0918ba No.2387100
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c41ada No.2387101
>>2387095
Fuck you it was a team effort.
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6fcde8 No.2387102
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c41ada No.2387103
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6fcde8 No.2387104
friendly reminder that tsuchi is gay and homo
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d69494 No.2387105
>let's go to /imouto/
>on second though, let's not
TIS A SILLY PLACE
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517fac No.2387106
I think I'll be visiting more tomorrow.
It was nice to talk to Cato and my good friend C(holesterol)up.
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7b2858 No.2387107
I have a feeling I missed out on something I'm glad I missed out on.
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c41ada No.2387108
>>2387104
Woah that's not friendly at all...
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6fcde8 No.2387109
>>2387106
this nickname is highly offensive and even though I am not this person I am mad on their behalf
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d69494 No.2387110
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2002e2 No.2387111
Friendly reminder that Cup sucks dick for fentanyl.
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6fcde8 No.2387112
>>2387108
friendly reminder that test is spoiler text
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d7ff49 No.2387113
>>2387095
Hey, I took all the heat here!
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57fc1e No.2387114
I can't believe Cato destroyed BadFox's board.
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517fac No.2387115
>>2387109
Ku ku ku.
>>2387110
Piss off.
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6fcde8 No.2387116
>>2387111
he fucking wishes
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6fcde8 No.2387117
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7b2858 No.2387118
you guys destroy everything you touch whats not to believe
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d69494 No.2387119
>>2387115
you've actually been making some good puns lately ngl
i'll leave you alone though
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253611 No.2387120
>>2387086
>>2387084
well in case people start thinking I think I'm smart again
>seriously, it's pretty obvious in every way I'm dumb
my fallback is explaining myself when questioned and not saying any of this is because of me big brains but because I've attacked it myself and so far it seems to make sense
>>2387087
because if you grant me that,
then we could agree the second best thing is using all our faculties to come as close as we can to that shared set of facts, and that would then be the best thing we could do given our limitations
this does assume we have the same goals in mind yes, which we almost certainly do if we agree on the facts
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6fcde8 No.2387121
can we ban cato before he destroys this utopia
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db74f2 No.2387122
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d69494 No.2387123
>>2387118
we should touch communism then
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517fac No.2387124
Come one come all. Refugees of Imuto welcomed.
Ignore Gilligan though.
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d7ff49 No.2387125
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6fcde8 No.2387126
>>2387120
>well in case people start thinking I think I'm smart again
don't worry. not only will that never happen, it never started in the first place.
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c41ada No.2387127
>>2387119
They're usually just about poop.
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517fac No.2387128
>>2387119
Take a knife and lodge it in your skull.
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2002e2 No.2387130
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7b2858 No.2387131
I can't handle yet another board merger.
No. NO.
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517fac No.2387132
>>2387127
Don't be a party pooper.
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68c7fc No.2387141
>>2387120
Why would you assume we all want the same thing? There is absolutely no evidence to imply such.
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c41ada No.2387144
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6fcde8 No.2387150
>>2387144
stfu fascist fucking pig
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