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>>2272301

I assume you are referring to this

『ザ・レイプ・オブ・南京』に引用されている田所耕三という人物は、南京陥落後約十日間にわたって、殺人と強姦を行ったと述べている(『アサヒ芸能』昭和四十六年一月二十八日号)。しかし、彼の所属する部隊は陥落二日後の十二月十五日には南京から転進しており、この人物が十日間も南京に残留できるはずがない。彼自身、のちに取材に応じて「記者が何かおもしろいことはないかと開いてきたので、あることないことを喋ったんだ」と、この発言自体の信憑性を否定している。

Do you have an independent source for his admitting, and the date his troop left?

Yeet

>>2272306

no I dont, but it comes from a proper historian

>>2272312

Iris Chang is not one.

I'm a real weeaboo!

The Holocaust also didn't happen.

>>2272318

Why would I try and prove it?

>>2272321

For people to be massacred?

Sure it's possible to have happened, but it didn't.

> Another talk about Nankin

How about you stop this bullshit?

>>2272307

>>2272311

It's a shame you don't question his sources the way you question those of historians you don't already agree with.

>>2272324

What do you mean?

Just because it's possible for something to happen doesn't mean it did

>>2272325

What is there to question?

Tadokoro could not have been in Nanjing when he claimed to be.

>>2272327

I know it didn't happen, there wasn't a massacre, but it was possible for there to have been one, there just wasn't.

>if something didn't happen, it means it wasn't possible for it to happen.

I dunno about that particular statement.

>>2272329

What?

Just because something is possible doesn't make it true

>>2272326

You could start by searching for an independent source for the claims regarding his platoon and a source for his recantation, because right now all you have is the professor's words that he lied.

Just like chang only has tadokoro's words that it happened.

I'm not saying it happened or it didn't happen - but you are clearly applying your scrutiny in a unilateral fashion, and it plays back to what I said about good faith.

More than anything I care that people know how to source and properly analyze historical data.

>>2272334

Suppose I flip a coin and it comes up as heads. Does that mean the probability of that coin toss coming up as tails was exactly zero?

It seems like you are suggesting that because a certain event occured, the probability of say, the opposite event occuring is therefore zero based on the fact that the outcome has already been given to you, which I cannot really agree with.

>>2272333

He was apart of the 114th Division who were diverted to North East China after Nanjing fell.

Japanese armed forces order of battle, 1937-1945 / edited by W. Victor Madej

Should be an english source on it

Holocaust didn't happen

Reality is an illusion

Six six six, succ my dick ✨

This is of course all based on a tensed view of time, aka the A-theory of time, where events are ordered from past to present, and the future doesn't enter reality until the present catches up to it.

In the B-theory of time, all events are equally real, regardless of which one occupies the present.

This would make your statement even more restrictive, because the future is just as real as the present or past.

Shio-chan, I'm curious about something~

>>2272344

what

>>2272345

You have a bit of an e-crush on Wish, don't you? :3

Offering to remove that lewd flirting from your Steam comments for him and everything

I know u just got out of a relationship, so I hope he's not just some cheap rebound to u

>>2272346

the what?

>>2272348

See >>2272170

You're avoiding my main question again, like when I asked if you're gay

So evasive, Shio-chan

>>2272349

what about the comment

>>2272340

I can understand where you are coming from with that but that view of time is not really supported by any concrete evidence and is more of a "what if" kind of question.

In particular, it contradicts many basic axioms of probability.

>>2272350

STILL not answering

It's fine Shio-chan; I understand

Wish is very kawaii

>>2272352

>>2272352

i didnt remove it

but if he wanted to why wouldnt i

>>2272351

That view of reality is supported by concrete evidence. You think the trajectory and neurotransmitters and molocules and the forces acting on them aren't determined by the trajectory etc. of the forces acting on them a second earlier? You couldn't have said New York.

>>2272353

So you don't feel anything gay for Wish?

Can you truthfully type "correct, I don't" to that question with your fingers and submit it as a post for all to see?

>>2272355

not yethes just a friend for now

Sometimes I feel like Jap anon is Badfox.

>>2272339

Let's say that Nanjing wasn't completed dealt with until late December.

The 114th division was diverted to the North East China Army to aid in the battle of xuzhou, which started in March 1938.

Do you have a source for the exact date of their transfer? Because this is what the entire argumentation is hinged upon.

Wikipedia says february, but there is no source.

>>2272357

tell me it ain't so

>>2272356

Okay I should stop with this; I'm bullying you too much :3

>>2272357

y tho

>>2272358

The records of the 114th division, they would have left before 10 days to have made it there.

They got there at February they didn't leave at February

>>2272360

its fine

>>2272361

I used to have an e-crush on Wish; I don't think we'd really be a good match though 🤔

>>2272362

interesting

>>2272361

So, where's the source? I can't find any records as detailed as their exact date of departure or arrival. And arrival would be debatable at best.

>>2272363

Yeah I started doxxing him after he added me on Discord and that made it more intense

He's cute irl from what I've seen, btw

>>2272364

I mentioned it, the source would be the records of the 114th division, but this is pointless as Tadokoro admitted he lied and there are many other issues with Iris Chang's book

https://web.archive.org/web/20070705013557/http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/nanjing/errors.html

Here's a list of just some

>>2272365

he mentioned that

why dox him

>>2272366

Why not? I was curious ^^

I'd never show anyone any of what I found

>>2272367

That's a pretty stupid answer to why dox him

>>2272368

I think ur confused

By "doxxing him" I just mean finding stuff, not posting it or anything

Already, Shio-chan is getting possessive over his new bf

>>2272369

but why find his stuff, its his privacy

>>2272371

It's not even hard once he gives you the username connected with it

He probably enjoys being e-stalked

>>2272372

you went through 2 years of his twitter to find an image of him

>He probably enjoys being e-stalked

he did tell me how to stalk him

>>2272354

I am pretty sure there is a distinct difference between states of motion with respect to an object and the probability of an event occuring.

Do you have any actual concrete evidence that I can look over? Research, papers?

I am too exhausted and ill to properly argue against your case but if you do have any established results supporting your argument I would be interested in reading it.

>>2272373

Lmfao

And yeah, exactly :3

>>2272366

>the source would be

>would be

Are you saying it only hypothetically exists?

If the source exists, please, can you provide it to me?

I want to confirm the extent to which your position is based in facts.

I'm not currently interested in other potential inaccuracies, as it doesn't matter how many there are if a single one can't be independently sourced.

>also pic related

I wonder how many of these "errors" are actually just a crude understanding of english on the japanese's part.

>>2272374

I'm exhausted too. stayed away 36 hours because I didn't want to mess up my sleep. but this is how reality works. something was either impossible so it didn't happen, or possible so it did.

>>2272375

i still dont understand why you would bother

>>2272376

>Are you saying it only hypothetically exists?

no the records exist, they just dont wave them around, i doubt you can find the same for a random american division either, its not something the public has access to

>I'm not currently interested in other potential inaccuracies, as it doesn't matter how many there are if a single one can't be independently sourced.

Why does that not matter?

How does Zeng Xubai himself admitting he paid Timberley and Smythe to write false reports not mean anything just because I can't prove Tadokoro wasn't in Nanjing.

>I wonder how many of these "errors" are actually just a crude understanding of english on the japanese's part.

What?

A commodore and a commander are different

>>2272377

I'm not disagreeing with you here, what you're saying is obviously tautological, i.e. true by definition. However, the line between "possible" and "probable" can often blur in casual speech - i think it was pretty obvious that japanon meant something along the lines of "if an atrocity had actually occured, it wouldn't surprise me". I think it's fair to leave it at that.

>>2272379

So who has access to it?

>Why does that not matter

Because the entirety of WW2 is murked in fog of war and propaganda - the *least* one should ask for if reviewing a narrative is an independent, credible source.

>admitting

So we're already at the *second* person that supposedly had some form of recantation, while there still is no independent source of Tadokoro's recantation. Why do you believe these accounts over any other? Why do you prefer the account of (Person that lied) X over (Person that lied) Y? You should start asking yourself these questions.

>a commodore and a commander are different

Sure, I agree. It's a minor inaccuracy.

The one I just screencapped was one I noticed to be not a mistake, but simply mistakenly interpreted.

"Error 9" alleges that Shumei Okawa was not a member of the general army staff. Have you fact checked this yourself?

In what world is

>During the 1920s the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Shek successfully fought the warlords of northern China to unify the country

an issue with translation/language not a blatant lie

>>2272377

I stayed awake all night as well as I was trying to fix my sleep schedule, but ended up randomly so ill that I had to sleep during the day and basically render my efforts void.

Uh okay so basically you are confusing states which are observed (ie: the motion of an object) to probabilities of an event occuring.

Probability, in short, represents the degree of uncertainty as to what event is to occur after a specific action. The point of a probability is a measure of what is to occur, that is, it is innately meant to be a measure prior to an outcome.

When the outcome occurs, we say that the probability collapses.

It is important to note that, for example, the probability density function will be very different to the same function after it collapses based on the observation or event that actually occurs.

So regardless of whether or not your "chicago" analogy holds, the point is that the probability, that is a measure of the degree of uncertainty of an event occuring PRIOR to an action, cannot be influenced by the event that occurs after the action because that is not how it is defined in the first place and would then be referring to the collapsed probability, which would inherently behave much differently anyways.

So back to the original disagreement, if something did not happen, that is the action had already been done and the probability collapses to the appropriate event, that has absolutely no effect on the original probability, hence the probability of it occuring does not change and thus it is still possible for it to happen.

Observed states of objects and probability are completely different based on their structure and how they are defined in the first place.

The closest valid comparision would be the state of an object and the collapsed probability, which is actually exactly what quantum mechanics seeks to observe and measure.

>>2272380

Japanese government, some historians, some universities.

Tadokoro has never denied this himself which if it were false he would do

>Because the entirety of WW2 is murked in fog of war and propaganda - the *least* one should ask for if reviewing a narrative is an independent, credible source.

I didn't understand, I thought you meant one of my things being noncredible meant the entire thing wasn't

>So we're already at the *second* person that supposedly had some form of recantation, while there still is no independent source of Tadokoro's recantation. Why do you believe these accounts over any other? Why do you prefer the account of (Person that lied) X over (Person that lied) Y? You should start asking yourself these questions.

He wrote about it in his autobiography.

https://www.worldcat.org/title/zeng-xubai-zi-zhuan/oclc/21819221

That's the book go read it yourself if you really want to confirm it.

But a Japanese television show about history called "the fact" uses his quote as a source, if that's a good enough source for you.

>Sure, I agree. It's a minor inaccuracy.

It's one of hundreds

>"Error 9" alleges that Shumei Okawa was not a member of the general army staff. Have you fact checked this yourself?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%ABmei_%C5%8Ckawa

Is that a good enough source for you

>>2272381

Am I to understand that whenever you jump to a different issue, you concede the one you dropped?

China was indeed reunified due to Chiang's efforts, albeit for only a decade, known as the nanjing decade.

>>2272385

He never actually reunified China

He attempted to but he never reunified China.

and Yes I dropped the Tadokoro part because it was going no where and is irrelevant to the larger picture, there is more reasons not to trust Iris Chang

I have a date Saturday.

Oh right!

I totally remembered why your object state analogy did not make any sense now.

Momentum is an observable, which in quantum mechanics is given by a linear operator that acts on the state of the quantum system, in particular an eigenstate of the wave function (the wave function is a probability density function).

As a result, the resulting eigenvalues associated with the given observable applied to the wave function given by a real number *cough* not a normalized probability density function cannot be compared to the wave function (normalized probability density function) in the first place because they are not even the same!

The fool never lies. It's not in his nature. He truly is a devil.

>>2272384

>some historians, some universities

It should be possible to request or research it, then. Seeing as a lot of information about the subdivisions and individual names are available, it's definitely leakable information, if it truly the case this information is for some reason protected.

>autobiography

Not interested. I still haven't confirmed anything about tadokoro because you keep jumping to the next thing, which just from the look of it carries its own set of problems. For instance, why the testimony of someone claiming to have paid of two other sources of testimony should matter if those testimonies have not been recanted.

>one of hundreds

That's why I said "I wonder.." because clearly, not all of these "corrections" prove much more than nitpicks. You should ask yourself why someone would be so desperately trying to nitpick an author on things that are not relevant.

>Is that a good enough source for you

<After graduation, Ōkawa worked for the *Imperial Japanese Army General Staff* doing translation work. He had a sound knowledge of German, French, English, Sanskrit and Pali.[3]

Yeah, sure, that works for me.

>>2272386

It was unified *enough* to last a decade with more or less stable government. This is an extreme nitpick and should raise several brows on your part.

>>2272391

>It should be possible to request or research it, then. Seeing as a lot of information about the subdivisions and individual names are available, it's definitely leakable information, if it truly the case this information is for some reason protected.

go ahead and ask for it then

>Not interested. I still haven't confirmed anything about tadokoro because you keep jumping to the next thing, which just from the look of it carries its own set of problems. For instance, why the testimony of someone claiming to have paid of two other sources of testimony should matter if those testimonies have not been recanted.

What do you mean?

I need Timberely and Smythe to admit they were paid for it to be true?

If a murderer confesses and sells out his partner do you need the other party to confess too?

>That's why I said "I wonder.." because clearly, not all of these "corrections" prove much more than nitpicks. You should ask yourself why someone would be so desperately trying to nitpick an author on things that are not relevant.

It's to show she is a bad historian, but here is something that isn't nit picking.

Iris Chang uses this image https://0x0.st/s324.png

In her book as evidence of a Japanese soldier using a Chinese person as practice.

But this man isn't Japanese, his collar is turned down, none of the Japanese uniforms had turned down collars in 1937 when this image (and nanjing) allegedly took place.

A 1939 issue of the Lowdown magazine which is American claim it is a Chinese communist torturing a prisoner.

>Yeah, sure, that works for me.

Translation work does not make you a member of it, many Chinese did translation for the IJA but they were not members just civilians.

>It was unified *enough* to last a decade with more or less stable government. This is an extreme nitpick and should raise several brows on your part.

How was it unified in anyways?

Manchuria was never unified until after the war and many other parts were run by war lords not the KMT or CCP

>>2272394

See >>2272389 as for why they cannot be the same.

>so this means history is made up of collapsed probabilities

I suppose you could say that, yes.

>the idea that it could have had a different outcome is an illusion. there was no real potential or probability, when it comes to talking about events that happened.

The way you word it is confusing.

The idea that an action could have had different outcomes is very real, as back to the coinflip, whether or not I get heads or tails after flipping does not change the original probability prior. It just means that when I flip the coin, the probability collapses and the action is observed, and we will see an event of either heads or tails.

Because time always moves forward, we simply cannot make these, quite literally, backwards conclusions as that is just not how probability works.

What your arguement seems to boil down to, at least from what I understood by your statements, is something along the lines of "our actions and decisions are merely the machincations of a predetermined universe and that our concept of 'free will' (and consequently probability) is an illusion."

Which is more of a philosophical question that currently has no actual tried evidence other than the "evidence" that seems to just exploit hindsight to sound convincing.

>>2272392

>go ahead and ask for it then

I take this to mean that you haven't done so yourself, yet. Interesting.

>I need Timberely and Smythe to admit they were paid for it to be true?

No, you need a reasonable doubt that their accounts are forgeries if you want to have a basis for believing the pertinent claims in that autobiography. Otherwise you are, again, baselessly preferring the account of liar A over liar B.

>But this man isn't Japanese, his collar is turned down, none of the Japanese uniforms had turned down collars in 1937 when this image (and nanjing) allegedly took place.

Yes, yes, it was completely unthinkable that collars could be turned down, ever. Also, this is another unsourced claim that I can't verify.

Meanwhile: https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=110&art_id=4065&kb_cat_id=27

>Translation work does not make you a member of it ( the staff)

So, another pointless nitpick?

>how was it unified

By ending the warlord era, which was sufficient to stop the infighting for a decade. The republic was also nominally unified and officially recognized.

That's determinism, Kanra.

Yes, that.

I bet the Nanjing massacre was downplayed.

A man running live, gruesome experiments on people got a get out of jail free card in Japan on the hush hush.

Covering up war crimes is ez

>>2272397

I see no reason to but yes.

>No, you need a reasonable doubt that their accounts are forgeries if you want to have a basis for believing the pertinent claims in that autobiography. Otherwise you are, again, baselessly preferring the account of liar A over liar B.

Sure, first of all Timperley was not in Nanjing but in Shanghai.

>The nature of my duties required me to visit the office of the International Committee almost everyday. At the office, I saw Chinese men come in one after another, saying, ‘Japanese soldiers are now raping 15-16 year old girls in such and such a place,’ or ‘Japanese soldiers are committing looting at a house of such and such a street,’ etc.. Rev. Magee, Rev. Fitch and several others were typing these charges immediately to report to their countries. I warned them again and again, ‘Wait, please. Do not report them without confirming.’ Occasionally, I hurried with them to the scene of the rape, looting, etc., but found nothing, nobody living there, and no trace of it; I experienced such cases often. I believe that Timperley’s book What War Means (1938) was written based on such unconfirmed reports.

Tokuyasu Fukuda, Diplomat to Nanjing from the Japanese embassy.

>>2272400

?

he literally is not japanese he is not wearing a japanese uniform, maybe its not a chinese communist i dont know if it is but it isnt a japanese soldier

>>2272404

And you are going to take someone's word on the Nanjing massacre who was not in Nanjing?

He was in Shanghai all he knows are rumours and reports which is not enough evidence.

For example the rumour we killed 40,000 civilians in Nanjing comes from the Red Swastika society who claim 40,000 Chinese died at Nanjing, except most of these were soldiers and only 0.3% were women and children.

>>2272405

theres no documents on anything

no orders to execute any POWs illegally (POWs were executed i will come back to this) no orders to rape or kill civilians, in fact rape was forbidden and soldiers were punished for it.

Iwane Matsui the general commander of the soldiers in Nanjing ordered his men to be careful and not kill civilians (Chinese soldiers stole civilians clothes to hide, even the New York Times reported on this)

Matsui had even befriended a Chinese orphan and took her with him.

Matsui gave a speech

>A group of soldiers dishonored our Imperial Army by performing outrageous conduct. What the hell have you done? What you did was unworthy of the Imperial Army. From now on, keep military discipline strictly and never treat innocent people cruelly. Remember it is the only way to console the war dead.

After he had held a service to commemorate the dead of both Chinese and Japanese.

In the Tokyo Trials Matsui testified with this

>After the fall of Nanking, some young officers and men committed atrocities, for which I deeply feel sorry. However, I never heard or saw in Nanking a large scale massacre or atrocities such as the ones the prosecution insists upon, and it was never reported when I was in Shanghai, either

The Hague convention conditions for a prisoner of war are

>To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates

>To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance

>To carry arms openly

>To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war

The POWs in Nanjing did not meet these criteria as they had discarded their uniform and hid their weapons.

>The Chinese soldiers carried their rifles or machine-guns but none of them were in regular military uniform.

I may have Halloween'd too hard

>>2272402

>I see no reason to but yes.

It's all becoming rather clear.

>he literally is not japanese

Based on what? The shape of his collar?

Check the link that I provided.

Alright then, I'm going to assume you are using this shoddy debunking blog as your go-to for cherrypicked photographs, because the arguments provided are remarkably similar (in how monumentally bad they are):

http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm

Please tell me how the uniform of this dude

https://0x0.st/s324.png

is significantly different from the uniform of this dude

http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nanking19371227.jpg

And if I could have your opinion on why the blog now conveniently omits calling out his DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE collar while painting him as friendly?

Think about what kind of sources you are taking more seriously and why.

>>2272407

Oh, so the guy who says it didnt happen was actually there?!

Silly people!

I mean if the guy who said it did was only close, he was clearly up to no good!

They didnt have the army take people, the police did, so no POWs

It must have been a secret initiative, having "no documents"

Why if it wasnt bad, they wouldnt hide shit amirite ahaaaa

>>2272409

He wears a uniform that is not Japanese

>Please tell me how the uniform of this dude

the position of the badge, it's on his shoulders in the second photo, the first photo you cannot see them

>Think about what kind of sources you are taking more seriously and why.

I'm taking more than that there are many others like http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/26_S4.pdf which comes from actual historians and that article is a rewrite of a Japanese article but translated into English

>>2272407

Those testimonies almost remind me word for word of those of Adolf Eichmann during Nüremberg.

>>2272412

And here you are willfully ignoring the fact that his collar is turned down.

I am finding no source for any uniform ordinance that supposedly, and conveniently occured *just* after the massacre. Again, this must be information that only the japanese ultranationalists must be privy to, eh.

However, I am finding lots of 1937 japanese uniforms that are consistent with the photographs.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/37/06/9f3706d3fe6b61b483ff7b44a0a5e02c.jpg

>>2272417

>>2272416

>Those testimonies almost remind me word for word of those of Adolf Eichmann during Nüremberg.

Did Adolf Eichmann save a Jewish orphan from death?

>And here you are willfully ignoring the fact that his collar is turned down.

He has the military badges on his shoulder the other photo does not.

The uniform change occurred on June the 1st 1938

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_Imperial_Japanese_Army#98shiki_Gun-i/Type_98

Not the best source but I hope it's good enough.

The uniform on the left is the uniform after 1938

>actually reads it

The reply was close hahahaha

>>2272411

Halloween is everywhere as long as it's in your heart

>>2272422

Don't you want to celebrate the fall harvest and the spirits of your ancestors?

>>2272424

Oh right your seasons are backwards

Happy Walpurgisnacht

>>2272427

I am going to sleep.

>>2272419

Eichmann insisted that he did not know the extent of the war crimes, even though he was the literal architect of the final solution.

>on his shoulder

His left shoulder, which in the case of the stabbing photo, is turned away.

Yeah I've read the wikipedia article, and i can still find plenty of m90 uniforms with a turn down collar. The fact of the matter is that the uniform is absolutely no accurate measuring stick of shortly before and after ordinance, which these blogs actually admit - you were supposed to keep using your old uniform as long as you could - especially considering that uniforms could be modified any which way if an ordinance was coming anyway, the photo resolution is hot garbage and the alleged lootings could just as easily explain different uniforms being worn off-duty.

Keep questioning the leap of logic made when dismissing a large body of photo evidence on accounts of popped down collars and reasons akin to "well it wasn't a video where they show their japanese birth certificate before they skewered a woman, so these were probably dug up from the chinese secret treasury of self-incriminatory warcrime evidence in case of emergency propaganda"

don't worry. I'm here now.

>>2272429

good night

>Eichmann insisted that he did not know the extent of the war crimes, even though he was the literal architect of the final solution.

okay well Matsui literally did not commit any war crimes, he was responsible for leading troops in the invasion of China but he never ordered he orders that would be considered war crimes.

>Yeah I've read the wikipedia article, and i can still find plenty of m90 uniforms with a turn down collar. The fact of the matter is that the uniform is absolutely no accurate measuring stick of shortly before and after ordinance, which these blogs actually admit - you were supposed to keep using your old uniform as long as you could - especially considering that uniforms could be modified any which way if an ordinance was coming anyway, the photo resolution is hot garbage and the alleged lootings could just as easily explain different uniforms being worn off-duty.

And what about the lack of the badges on his shoulder?

and yes some old uniforms were used after the uniform change but Nanjing took place before it so it isnt relevant to Nanjing

>Keep questioning the leap of logic made when dismissing a large body of photo evidence on accounts of popped down collars and reasons akin to "well it wasn't a video where they show their japanese birth certificate before they skewered a woman, so these were probably dug up from the chinese secret treasury of self-incriminatory warcrime evidence in case of emergency propaganda"

If he is not wearing Japanese uniform he is probably not Japanese

very simple

>>2272432

how did today go?

>>2272434

sounds like a nice though however

Shalom Aleikum

Obnoxious.

>>2272438

still good tbh.

>>2272443

slaps your hand away

>>2272448

ok no pat

>>2272450

p-q

Good

Why did I only notice this today

>>2272456

bulges

fucking hell this NY strip steak is good

having a grill is NAISU

>>2272447

cute

>>2272460

are you sure that's even real meat.

>>2272461

????????????

>>2272463

Heck

>>2272465

>>2272464

Hell

>>2272467

Is a bad word.

>>2272466

>>2272469

It's like 6am, why are you even awake?!

Anything to see his Canadian lover

>>2272470

Guhhh

>>2272473

PJ

>>2272472

i woke up early

i was going to sleep but then i saw you here

>>2272475

You check the threads right after waking up?

Go back to sleep if you're tired!

>>2272478

im not that tired, i went to sleep at 10:30

i dont have a reason to sleep

>>2272479

Ah, see I got a similar problem, no reason to wake up.

>>2272396

So it really could have happened differently. This is too trippy. The equation is a range of possibilities, and collapsing it into a single value is an actual quantum phenomena, is a bit of a brain melter. I don't into physics. I don't see how everything being the same, something else could happen. If everything before something is the same, the thing that happens next should be based on all those things that already happened.

if something didn't happen in the past, it was because it was impossible for it to happen.

>Because time always moves forward, we simply cannot make these, quite literally, backwards conclusions as that is just not how probability works.

Which is why I think it's an illusion. We can imagine going back in time and things playing out differently, but if we knew better, we'd know it was impossible for anything else to have happened. But I'm no longer confident about it.

>>2272482

I CAN'T WAKE UP

>>2272480

but theres no reason to sleep

its wasting time and pointless

wake me up inside

can't wake up

>>2272484

It's necessary. It's time to heal, to process, and to escape.

Something can't be necessary and pointless.

>>2272487

too much sleep i mean

>>2272483

So have you tried this new Undertale meme shit whatever?

>>2272485

tbh I'd be fine if you never woke up

>>2272490

I finished it yesterday yes.

>>2272490

What the FUCK Speccy

same though

>>2272491

And...?

>>2272493

I just want what you want, okay!

>>2272494

It's not long.

If you actually care about it you'll play it.

>>2272495

I think that's just an ulterior motive.

I think you're actually just being mean

>>2272479

I'm periodically tired, give me some of your extra sleep ;;

>>2272480

Let me be your reason to wake up.

>>2272498

go to sleep with me then

>>2272496

>If you actually care about

I don't, I purely want your opinion.

>>2272497

Fuck, I've been caught.

>>2272498

Sorry, you already have a thirsty bitch.

>>2272500

Why care about my opinion if you don't care about the game?

I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to more. I hate spoiling things for people.

>>2272500

NOTHING gets past these eyes!

>>2272501

oh damn that's brutal.

>>2272502

so he can make a conversation

>>2272499

>

Lewd.

>>2272501

Leave Subtle out of this!

>>2272502

I just like keeping up.

Fine...

>>2272503

But can they see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>2272506

you would do it anyways

>>2272507

Actually they can't

>>2272508

I feel like I'm being judged heavily.

>>2272510

Who said it is a bad thing?

right that's enough /animus/ for one life time. thanks for the good times. fuckos

>>2272512

bye spider

>>2272511

But anon that's race mixing.

>>2272512

See you soon.

>>2272511

I only got home from work an hour ago, if I went right to sleep then I'd never get to do anything!

>>2272512

Thank fuck.

>>2272514

i never said anything about sex

>>2272516

You didn't have to say it.

>>2272509

Pretty simple really, it's all the sugar.

>>2272519

Delicious diabetes~

>>2272515

oh right you work

guess ill have to stay up with you

>>2272522

It's funny cause that's the fat crazy man.

Good one Emma.

Hello thread~

>>2272523

Things are starting to slow down at work at least, so hopefully I won't just be exhausted all the time.

I wish I could be NEET...

>>2272524

It's even funnier because he's a girl now or something.

>>2272525

Evening.

>>2272526

i wish you could be too, at least you wont be exhausted as much

>>2272527

'ello strangah^^

>>2272525

Henlo

>>2272530

henlo to you too.

happy payday :p

>>2272481

>So it really could have happened differently.

Correct.

If you still wish to believe that reality itself is deterministic then that is certainly up to you but I believe I have presented sufficient evidence albeit a little hand-wavey from a mathematical point of view to show that, in short, the outcome of an action does not change the probability of other possible outcomes prior to the action.

If you wish to read more about this from a more rigorously written argument, I would suggest reading specifically on how probability is defined mathematically, and also some introductory texts on quantum mechanics.

Also this may be helpful as a starting point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem.

> We can imagine going back in time and things playing out differently, but if we knew better, we'd know it was impossible for anything else to have happened

My main issue with your claims is that you are supporting them on the basis that "that is just how reality works" or "because we know better" which mathematically speaking is an incredibly naive approach to describing and justifying processes in nature and is ultimately insufficient.

There are certainlty deterministic systems and processes in mathematics and physics, but to say that reality itself is deterministic is improbable and, I believe, requires some degree of quantification to be even considered.

It is insufficient to say things are as they are because that is how they are, essentially.

>>2272531

>tfw payday isn't for another week for me

r e e

>>2272533

beep boop

it's all gone already anyway :/

anything new or exciting?

>>2272534

Nah, just another day of going through the motions here

How about you?

>>2272528

Unfortunately something has to fund my weeb merch addiction~

tfw next week I'm gonna get that fatt 65 hour work week paycheck

>>2272536

just use your inheritance money for it like me :^)

>>2272532

>>2272535

about the same.

finally got rayman legends though.

womp womp

Any plans for the weekend?

>>2272537

hihi qt

>>2272541

I already pre-purchased Smash Bros because I'm a consumer whore, wew

Gonna be going to the Ren Fest on saturday with some buds like the giant fucking nerd i am.

>>2272542

just chillin chillin

i shoulda got food while I was out :(

hbu ur up late

>>2272539

Now see, that'd be a great idea but unfortunately I have to wait just under 6 more years for it to work out :3

>>2272543

ooh i was never good at those games so i didn't like them but they're like super popular. All the new switch games are p cool is that what ur getting it for?

Like Renaissance?

>>2272545

is your family wealthy?