/animu/ - Anime & Otaku Culture

>>8907

Took me about a month to learn hiragana with an ipad app. Gonna learn katakana as soon as i have the time for it. Kanji however looks scary

>>9037

You can learn it anon keep trying!

>>9037

Just chip away at it, you're just do em every day and you'll get there eventually. It took me like 2 years to learn the core ones.

>>8897

In case anyone else here is struggling with starting to read:

Squidgirl is a lot easier than Yotsuba, mainly because you don't have retarded accents (loads of squid puns though) that you have to study separately. I'd nearly given up before finding it.

>>8907

Only learning hundreds of moonrunes is hard, the actual language is very simple and primitive. You can do it.

>>9037

>Kanji however looks scary

Just spend a week trying to learn Chinese. Then come back to Japanese and suddenly it's not so bad.

>>11206

Why?

Why don't you want to learn japanese, anon?

>>9755

黒ん坊のザーメンを飲め、このホモ野郎がっ

>>10931

Chinese grammar is like a simplified version of English.

Compare the simple sentence "I love you" in both languages

我愛你

wo ai ni

lit: I love you

Japanese:

我は貴方の事を愛している。

lit: I <topic> you < genitive> thing <accusative> love <present progressive>

>>11915

We were talking about kanji.

Chinese: any given text is a wall of complex kanji

Japanese: most kanji are simplified and deluded by kana. A lot of sentences can be apprehended by kana alone.

>>11923

Most kanji aren't simplified. That's a lie. And virtually no sentences are written in just kana unless it's some shit for kids, and when they are, it's a big fucking headache and a horrible nightmare to read.

Chinese text isn't complex at all, again, because the grammar is like a retarded version of English dumbed down for Koko the Gorilla to understand.

"I go to the store and buy books."

Chinese:

我去商店買書

lit: I go store buy book

Japanese

我は店に行って本を買う

lit: I <topic> store <locative> go <conjunctive> book <accusative> buy

"If I go to the store, I'll buy books."

如果我去商店買書

lit: if I go store buy book

Japanese:

もし我が店に行ったら、本を買う

lit: if I <nom> store <loc> go <conditional> book <acc> buy

Conclusion: The kana, which represents case markers and conjugation in Japanese, actually makes it more complex and difficult to understand compared to Chinese, which is actually relatively simple.

The only thing you could say is that Japanese is easier to at least get started as a beginner because of kana, which is irrelevant, because ultimately you need to learn the kanji for almost every single word in the language to achieve fluency to be able to read anything worthwhile anyhow.

>>11960

>Missed the point entirely

Are you a triggered chink?

>>11908

I do but I’m busy and most of all disgustingly lazy

>>11961

>calls me a chink when I said the Chinese language is retarded

You're not too bright, are you?

Your assertion was that Chinese is somehow "complex" because it's written in all kanji, which couldn't be further from the truth. Go look at a novel written in Japanese. Guess what, virtually every word will be written with kanji, + kana on top of that which adds complexity, rather than taking it away. Chinese being "a wall of complex kanji" makes it easier than Japanese. Period.

>>11977

God, you must be a chink to not comprehend a single word I wrote. I know fucking Japanese, literally everything you just wrote is nothing what I fucking meant, at all. About kanji, about kana. It's fucking amazing, really, how the entirety of my post went over your head but you just kept replying to your imaginary assumption. Kys. Period.

Just marathon on raw anime for starters. Binge on anime without any subs/dubs.

If you're a NEET with nothing better to do, you can learn Japanese in 6 months at best.

>>13891

I get intimidated by the kanji.

>>13962

I thought you learn hiragana first It's how we did it in my primary school Japanese class and I wish I had paid more attention instead of autistically spacing out

>>13965

Hirogana should probably be learned first, but katakana should also come right after.

People neglect katakana for some reason, but it shows up very often, and is just as useful to know.

I started about a week ago and have half of the hirigana down pretty well. It's much more enjoyable than when I tried to learn French, even though it's harder, since it's a language I actually care about.

This is awesome, I've been learning with duolingo, but it's teaching me nothing about stroke order, and it's 98% multiple choice. It was fun at first, but it's becoming too easy. Thanks for this!

>>14729

Stroke order isn't all that important anyway. The chinchongs and the nips don't even agree on it.

>>14730

>>14729

B-but it's easier to learn (and search kanji!) if you learn the correct stroke order because you can learn how to draw the kanji in individual steps.

>>14809

You can easily search kanji as long as you know the radicals and stroke count anyhow.

>>14844

Get the Obenkyo app from the play store along with the Anki decks. Get the Anki app and import the decks to them. Learn nip words and then immerse yourself watching nothing but anime /Nip drama in raws, no subtiles allowed and pay attention to the words they are saying.

>>14847

>Get the Obenkyo app

Thanks, anon. Gonna check it out.

>>14844

From the "Nippon Learning Thread" on /v/: >>>/v/14306535

>>I'm completely new, where do I start?

>Learn the Kana. Start with Hiragana and then move on to Katakana. Yes, you need both, and yes stroke order is important. Use Realkana or Kana Invaders for spaced repetition. Alternatively, you can use the Anki deck, but I'd recommend the first two. Tae Kim has a Kana diagram on his website, and you can use KanjiVG for pretty much any character.

>>Alright, I know the Kana. Now what?

>You have to learn vocabulary and grammar in order to speak and understand the language. Some will tell you to grind the Core2k/6k deck until you're blue in the face, others will tell you that grammar is more important. Truth is, you need both, but it doesn't really matter which one you decide to do first. You're teaching yourself here, so you move at your own pace and do what you're most receptive to. If you want grammar first, then Tae Kim has a great introductory grammar guide, there are numerous grammar related videos in Anon's all-in-one-Anki-package, IMABI has an active forums and an abundance of information on grammar, and there's always YouTube if you're lazy. On the other hand, if you want to learn vocab first, then grab the Core2k/6k and grind until you're blue in the face. For mnemonics, see Kanji Damage.

>>Well this is great and everything, but I still need more help

>That's what these threads are for aside from the obligatory shitposting. You shouldn't assume that anyone here knows more than you, but there are anons here who are willing to help. Try to find shit out on your own, for fuck's sake, but if you're stumped, then maybe someone will have something to say that can point you in the right direction.

>>14847

>anime /Nip drama in raws

Any tips on shows with simple sentences with raws that you can actually find on pantsu/nyaa?

>>14844

I've had more success with Japanese the Manga Way.

>>15064

>Any tips on shows with simple sentences with raws that you can actually find on pantsu/nyaa?

Children's shows like Anpanman, Chirubii, Nihon Mukashibanashi, Ganbare! Oden-kun, Nintama Rantarou, Chibi Maruko-chan, Crayon Shin-chan, Doraemon and the Japanese dub of Spongebob Squarepants. There's also Erin Ga Chosen! Nihongo Dekimasu''' on YouTube.

Damn if i learn hiragana i will definetly use it for cheat!

>>9332

Please… don’t say me that

>>15070

Thanks, there were some good finds in there.

I've always had the problem that I need Nip children shows to learn Japanese, but I don't know enough Japanese to find Nip children shows, but these should do fine.

>>15077

You can learn Hiragana in a few hours. Just repeat reading each hiragana character over and over for thirty minutes. Then use them next half hour to read simple hiragana words and sentences. It will stick, katakana then becomes easy after wards.

What the fug is a good way to set up the 2k/6k deck? I have it set up so that it will have me learn 5 new cards a day, but beyond that idk what to do for the steps or intervals.

>>15234

Just set it up in the way you know how and do it at a pace you are comfortable with.

>>15245

Ok, I increased the review card limit and the steps, so hopefully that'll give me a good amount of cards to review each day.

>>16008

Also the Gerund shit, how the fuck does it actually work in Japanese?

>>16009

There is no "gerund" in Japanese. You can just add generic abstract nouns の or 事 to nominalize any verb.

寝る事が好きです。　

ねることがすきです。

"I like sleeping."

Ｖる事が好きです。

"I like V-ing."

This youtube channel is very useful

https://www.youtube.com/user/freejapaneselessons3/playlists?sort=dd&view=1&shelf_id=0

>>14844

I read IMABI, it's split up into different sections so that you can review different parts of grammar as you want to.

http://www.imabi.net/beginnersi.htm

Outside of music, what other related programs are worth listening to enhance my hearing skills?

>>16533

Hentai.

Do you think it's better to just buy a physical book to learn from? I feel like when I try out one of these shitty online guides I just lose concentration after a few minutes, maybe I won't have that if I actually have it right in front of me and used money to get it.

>>16562

Nah, if you can't focus, you can't learn. You have nigger tier iq and should just give up

>>16562

physical books help me a lot, personally. it's easier to focus and there are less distractions (also, the exercises are better, imo). you could try loaning a book from your local library and see if it helps. also, try making a schedule (not too strict or lax). I have heard that Genki is the best english Japanese textbook (but i don't have any experience with it).

>>16758

Never mind that.

>Traditionally, 4 is unlucky because it is sometimes pronounced shi, which is the word for death.

Apparently 'yon' is the more common pronunciation for that reason.

>>16756

You definitely should get a book that's written in your mother tongue. I am also not a native English speaker, so the things I find hard are probably different from those that native English speakers find hard. And Japanese textbooks that are written in English teach you through English (I don't know a good way of saying this…), so it add an additional layer of difficulty (and confusion).

>>16758

>>16760

also, FYI, most kanji have both Chinese and Japanese reading. so, you also should know that 四 can also be read as yo(tsu), too. (E.G. 4人, yonin). The number 4 (regardless of reading) is avoided in Asia.

>>16807

It's best to learn in a way that suits you. People tend to learn things differently.

>>16807

Thanks for the explanation. I've started on the books in the Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package, which has made it much easier than just going into the core2k/6k deck blind like I had done.

Any other Australians here? Did you also have Japanese language class when you were in primary school? My Japanese teacher was really lovely and I wish I had been a nicer student to her.

The class only went as far as Hiragana as far as I can remember. We learned it via mnemonics based on the shape of the character. For example, く looks like a kookaburra's open beak for "ku", と is a splinter stuck in a toe for "to", む resembles a mooing cow for "mu".

>>17016

Be nice if I had such classes in primary, especially if I was a weeb then. Hiragana took me two days to know by heart.

Your comprehension of anime OP and ED songs jumps by an entire percentage point if you learn the word "tanoshii".

>>17583

>>17582

Wasn't that the yellow that killed himself because he couldn't get a new job?

Hey guys, is there any good ways to wear down the review cards on anki without sacrificing new cards?

It takes me a long ass time to read all the review cards, and by the time I'm done, I have no time left for studying grammar.

Would cutting down on new cards be the only way to get less review cards, or is there some special anki feature that makes them easier to do?

I just want the thread to come back, It seems kind of dead

>>19067

I wish I knew. Also, grammar is hard, how do you get it?

>>19069

Tae Kim's Grammar Guide is pretty good, and is a lot easier compared to some of the other grammar guides out there, but it's also sort of basic.

I think the secret to comprehending any grammar guide, or book is to have a small vocabulary before going into it.

But that's where my problem is for me. I really can't study both and still have time to go about my day.

>>19073

That's awesome.

But that's way more time consuming then what I'm doing even now.

I might read that Japanese: The Manga Way though, that sounds pretty cool

Either way, keep that up my friend, that's really cool.

Maybe could you drop your custom anki deck when you've finished the Grammar guide?

It might help a few anons here.

Is it a bad idea to be studying two separate anki decks at the same time?

I'm doing the Kanji Damage deck and the Core 2k deck, about 12 new cards for each of them per day.

>>19566

It depends on how good your memory retention and attention span is.

>>20270

Kin-iro Mudshark

Don't know if these will be as helpful to native english speakers as they were to me. Due to phonetics in japanese being closer to my language than english, I got most mnemonics pretty easily. Either way it's worth a try, considering how compact these videos are, plus by being taught by a native speaker you get the best pronunciation for each syllabe.

Also, any decks you guys recommend?

>>20711

Haven't tried their other videos yet. If their material on grammar and kanji are any good I might get back to shill it here.

>>20711

>>20712

Pronouncing the phonetics is really easy if you're a native Spanish speaker.

>>20713

Anything that has clear and defined vowel sounds is better than english.

>>20713

There's a Nip that actually had learned Spanish. He said the phonetics are almost the same and that they share a few words such as pan and cemento while sharing the exact pronunciation of them.

>>20720

Spanish also has a fuck ton of similarity to Arabic .

>>20722

That's probably because Spain was once a territory of a Caliphate or two at some point.

>>20731

Oh yea Spain and Portugal were Muslim for 800 years it makes sense at how both Spanish and Portuguese have so much in common with Arabic.

>>20736

Arabic was the lingua franca of many Caliphates/Emirates.

And besides, 800 years is far more than long enough for some foreign words to creep into local words.

>>20743

Even with Japanese a lot of English words flowed into it.

>>20711

>>20712

shameless shilling more of this channel, because it helped me so much

ignore the damn adds for their paid service

this one is teh first of a playlist

and here are review videos for after you learn all the kana

>>22906

>>20713

>>20711

>>20720

It absolutely isn't spics can't distinguish ch/sh.

Spics pronounce the letter d as a "th" sound.

Spics cannot pronounce the letter z or j.

Spics cannot pronounce Japanese "hi". Sounds like German "ch". Spics have no hope of pronouncing the complex consonant clusters that result from vowel devoicement such as つかう (sounds like "tskau"). Basically, primitive Spic goblin gibberish has nothing at all in common with Japanese. Don't even try to claim that shit.

>>20719

The every day Japanese speaker does not distinguish between 妬ましい and 羨ましい.

>>23040

>Spic goblin gibberish

You do realize that Spanish originated as a European language with Spain having its own dialect, right?

>>23042

Mexican Spanish is trash though.

>>23040

spic here I find Japanese pronunciation is easy as fuck.

>>23109

Record yourself pronouncing some words on vocaroo. Guaranteed you can't do it correctly worth a shit.

つかえる

しゃちょうしつ

けしからん

じょうれんきゃく

いんえい

Scanning through the links but best if I ask this while doing so.

1. Does writing the kanji 10+ times (with a custom mnemonic at the ready) before or after repping via Anki help?

2. Kanji then vocabulary, or vocabulary then kanji?

3. Is Kanjitomo still acceptable for ripping words from manga or is there a better method?

4. Does autism (the real, diagnosed kind) make this a bitch?

For what it's worth, I'm getting back to this after a two year absence so I'm not diving in completely blind. Just want to rely less on machine translations by the end of next year.

>>23135

I'm following TaeKim's guide, and while I'm very early ino it to give in-depth advice, I like it better to memorize things by using them and reviewing thisngs that I actually had to use at some point.

I downloaded an app for kanji memorization that divides them into pretty good cathegories such as radicals/most used/etc, but I found myself bored and feeling like I was wasting my time memorizing things that I wasn't using. After starting to study grammar it became even more obvious that you have to learn kanji as you study conjugation, usage etc…

Autism probably gives you an edge over everyone else.

Japanese grammar is surprisingly fun to learn. It feels like you're cracking a puzzle, because everything is so neatly organized. It's hard in teh sense that you start to understand how nips have to think differently to communicate. Also now all those stupid missunderstandings in shojo manga and anime make more sense. Without context some things make no sense. On the otehr hand, other ideas can e expressed in japonese and can't be literally translated to english.

>>17016

We're fucking everywhere, aren't we?

Yeah, I vaguely remember having some sort of Japanese language class in primary but don't recall learning any ひらがな or カタカナ。Mindlessly repeating phrases and learning about "cultural" things is all that comes to mind. Public school language learning in a nutshell.

Had no idea this board existed until a few minutes ago. Are these threads a recurring thing? An /a/ themed Yotuba B board feels odd but this thread looks to have more posting activity in comparison to the Japanese learning thread on /a/.

>>23171

>Are these threads a recurring thing?

It would be if we ever reached the bump limit, but this thread is pretty slow, on an already pretty slow board desu.

>>23177

This is the slower thread mentioned as a comparison: https://8ch.net/a/res/719367.html

Instead of having scattered slow boards with overlapping topics, wouldn't it make more sense for anons to use a single board for anime and manga?

Then again I suppose that is kind of the whole nature of the beast when it comes to user created boards.

Still oddly curious to see the djt site used in the op of another thread on yet another website. In a way the Daily Japanese Thread from 4chan's /a/ became the cutting used to ensure survival beyond the original tree.

出来ないちゃん really is eternal

永遠はあるらしい、ならば奇跡は？ってゆことかな（藁

Make my own vocab deck or use the Core one? Latter already comes with words but I plan to add words as I see them in games and such.

>>23200

/a/ bans people on the drop of a hat, aka their moderation is an affront to Chan culture. Most people are lurkers so they don't realise it. But that's the reason/a/ alternatives exist.

We sure could use more activity, so if you see anything you like I hope you'll stick around.

>>23200

>Instead of having scattered slow boards with overlapping topics, wouldn't it make more sense for anons to use a single board for anime and manga?

>>23225 is correct but I use both boards anyway

least riddle me this. Do I absolutely need to know about (almost all of) the radicals in order to create effective mnemonics for the kanji? I figured that…

悩=worry; trouble=trouble raining down on a worrywart slouch

…is a good start.

>>23298

I look up kanji as I encounter them, and only then I look up what their radical means. Then I make up a little story involving those radicals and the kanji's meaning. I tried learning radicals first, but wasn't retaining anything.

Like how cats are actually mistaken by dogs in the tall grass of a rice field.

My first go around had me reading with a texthooker attached along with Translation Aggregator (with the Google window removed, of course) to catch any new words. Does that count as reading or am I expected to just look at it straight up?

Listening practise

Liar Princess and the Blind Prince

Dat fang

>>23298

Careful with that. 悩 doesn't mean worry.

悩む means worry.

悩 means jack shit unless combined with other characters.

苦悩 = suffering; anguish

煩悩= carnal desires; earthly passions

悩殺= bewitch; enchant

懊悩= anguish; trouble; agony

く

>>23759

Characters do carry meaning regardless of whether they're being used in a word and 悩's primary meaning is 悩む. The character can be used itself alone though, here's an example, courtesy of yourei.jp: わたくしの部屋の内へ 朝日が明るくさし込みます時、 わたくしはもう床の上で 悩に沈んでおりまする。

>>23797

The character's primary meaning which is featured in hardly any of the words which used the character? Fascinating mental gymnastics.

Your example is actually 悩み just the lazy nigger didn't right the み outside of it. Most likely an error.

悩みに沈む 14,200 examples on Jewgle

悩に沈む a grand total of two

>>23819

I said 悩む instead of English "worry" because it does better apply to those jukugo. If you'd like you can use the website I provided to find a couple more examples of it being used solo, though it requires some minimal searching through entries with jukugo and okurigana. You could also Google something a little less specific like "悩に" and sort through entries finding jukugo. It's not common, but it's not an error. And here's a character dictionary entry for 悩 which kind of details it's and 悩む's meanings: https://okjiten.jp/kanji1267.html Some character dictionaries will just combine 1, 2 and 3 into a sole entry, such as this one: https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/171201/meaning/m0u/

Is firing up a VN or whatever right away really such a good idea? What does someone with very little to no grammar knowledge have to gain besides mining a lot of words?

>>23841

That depends heavily on the VN- they run the whole gamut from "has furigana" to "native speakers have to pull out the dictionary for this one". If you want to work on your grammar, I'd suggest watching subbed kid's shows like in >>3231 , the content is easy to understand so you can focus on the sentence structure.

>>23841

I'd spend some time studying at least basic grammar first.

>>23841

Learn particles and conjugations. That way, instead of looking at a nip sentese and seeing incoherent giberish, you'll be able to spot conjugation and particles and the gibberish in-between

Has anyone here been to Japan to learn the language? Thinking about going there for 4-6 weeks.

>>23892

What do you plan on doing there? Will it be like a student program or work related? I've never done such a thing, but I suppose it's better to go with some kind of purpose than doing it like a long therm tourism trip, since a work/study routine will involve conversation topics that go beyond tourism speech.

I could be wrong though. Maybe not having too many responsibilities would be better at first?

Well if you go could you give is some feedback?

>>23890

>>23888

On it, though I expect to encounter jibberish for a while yet. Any grammar decks?

Also, I feel like I'm not making much progress with the "recall" section of the "2136 Joyo Kanji by grade" deck. Getting straight up meanings instead of the kanji itself first and foremost is slowing me down. Would it be wise to delete the recall cards?

>>23940

I would delete recall cards personally. If your end goal is simple kanji recognition and you have no desire to learn to write then there's no real need for recall cards. Even if I wanted to learn to write properly though, I think there are better ways to go about it than English keyword > single kanji flashcards.

>>23978

I write down the kanji and its onyomi (and maybe its kunyomi) while reciting its common meaning and/or onyomi to help with memorization. My aim is to read the stuff so getting the English meaning first isn't helping. Though supposedly, focusing on kanji at all doesn't help either. Opinion is rather scattered on the "kanji or vocab" front.

>>23986

>If you do choose to study kanji, I suggest focusing primarily on recognizing them and a common meaning while not worrying too much about the readings.

That's precisely what the plan is. More often then not, I get the meaning right but the reading wrong and my autistic brain demands that I got it completely wrong regardless.

Finally started to learn the kana today. Anki is a pretty good tool.

Following the readme in Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package. It's going decently. Japanese the Manga Way is a very accessible book. In terms of how much time a day you spend learning Japanese, you have to be careful with the anki reviews taking up slightly more every day—frog in boiling water situation. The example sentences and the autoplaying speech in the core vocab deck is a big boon.

I can barely learn kanji at all using the deck from Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package, and I have only slightly more headway in picking them up from doing the core 2k/6k vocab deck from the same package, but when I even so much as skim the kanji mnemonic stuff, the mnemonics just worm their way into my head and don't dislodge themselves.

I think I'll start on the Remembering the Kanji books because I don't find any of the humour in the kanjidamage stuff funny, nor do I enjoy the author's leftism and commie veneration making its way into the learning material. However, the latter is really comprehensive so it's probably worth a look after I've worked through the former.

>>27964

>learning to write kanji is helpful for learning to read and recognize them.

I agree, though I don't think it need be that you reach the point of being able to write from memory to gain from writing. Simply writing them once as you review will benefit you as well.

>is it better to write the whole word in kana or write the kanji(s) that you know and write the rest in kana?

If you want to work on your recognition of the word in full kanji and/or learning the unknown kanji, then write the kanji. Some technical terms or words which use uncommon kanji will more often than not be used with kana so you might not deem it necessary to learn them in their full kanji. Like a lot of animal names are commonly written in kana. Or with some words that contain a single uncommon character, 孵化 for example, Japanese people will often write it ふ化, in mixed kana/kanji. You will come across difficult words with no furigana though, it's up to you to decide on a word by word basis.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/9088212/Absolute_Pimsleur_s_Japanese_I-III_[MP3]

pimsleur is a speaking/hearing program, divided into 30-minute lessons, 90 total across 3 volumes. while i've never used the japanese one, i figured i'd link it here as i have used the german one a bit, and even years later i've retained the stuff that it covered easily.

https://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/afaq.html

>This is a list of questions and answers about the Japanese language originally from the Usenet newsgroup sci.lang.japan.

Good resource for minutiae of the language, contains lots of interesting trivia too. Can it be added to the OP?

>>23986

>5th grade lolis = enlightenment

What the fuck is this trying to say?

>>29148

In case you didn't notice, on the left of 悟 you have what looks like 小, (it's really 心/忄 radical but it's close enough) on the upper right is 五 and on the bottom 口 (which looks like ロ of course.) Lastly you have the リ which looks mostly the same katakana or hiragana. So you can take ロリ and 小五 and switch around their positions and combine them to form 悟り. But yeah that's basically what it says. Japanese put subliminal messages in your kanji.

For those using the Tae Kim guide, and would like to have some practice in the subjects learned in each section, I'd advise that you go to the online version of the guide: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

Reason why is that after each section, there's is also an exercise page where you can practice the subjects to that particular section (Such as, for the "Expressing State of being" section: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/stateofbeing_ex ). To address the concern of the extra vocabulary used in the examples, just note that those are only used for the practice exercises, so you don't have make a fuss about your vocabulary notes being unorganized.

>>29211

I'm using it's phone app. It also has exercises and is entirely downloaded to your phone so you can use it offline.

>Finished reading Japanese the Manga Way

>checking out the other books

>A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar

Over 600 pages and I need to google half of the linguistics terms to understand the book. And that's just the basic one? Fuck.

Tanoshii desu

>>30393

Anon, grammer is for nerds anyway, as long as you understand the language you don't have to describe how you understand it. Just read more.

>>30399

Except in japanese several things are described by conjugations, things that are described by words in english.

Instead of saying "I can do [verb]", they use "[verb]-can-do-conjugation" (aka potential form). There's conjugations for EVERYTHING.

"if" (conditional) isn't a word, it's conjugation

"want to do…" is conjugation

"done [verb] to [someone]" is conjugation

The list goes on. Seems complex, because it's so different from english (different from most western languages tbh) but the upside is that the rules are fairly straightforward. It only gets complicated with slangs, but the same applies to any language. If by "reading" you mean "looking every kanji on a dictionary every time" you'll be missing out. You dont need to choose one over the other either, just go by a little bit of grammar every day.

>>32171

Thank you so much.

>>32171

Arigatou

In Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package, what's the intended usage of the grammar book deck in Anki? The way that deck is set up has nothing to do with how you're supposed to use Anki at all. Is the idea just that you just read through and click "Easy" or "Good and call it a day? Might as well just read the grammar dictionaries directly.

Does anyone listen to music when they study Japanese?

>>33865

I have it on at a low volume when doing my anki vocab reps

>>9037

Kanji progessing quite nicely. I decided that I won't bother trying to write Kanji by hand. If you type it on a computer you'll get a selection of Kanji and you just pick the right one. No real need to write it by hand.

I can only learn kanji when I know the accompanying meanings and readings so I've been passively picking it up from the vocabulary drilling. One day I'll crack open Remembering The Kanji and start learning them for real

>>33941

Are you me? That's exactly what I'm doing

>>33941

If that works well for you, then just keep that up. RTK only teaches you radicals and a keyword for each radical and kanji, often related to a common meaning of the kanji. You're already learning them for real.

>>11923

>Chinese: any given text is a wall of complex kanji

Chinese do not use kanji. They use han4zi4.

>A lot of sentences can be apprehended by kana alone.

LoL not quite right.

>>11977

Chinese is no way retarded if you studied past the beginning.

>>11961

>>11980

"Retarded chink" here. You know neither Japanese nor Chinese.

>>10931

You got it the other way around. Chinese is way simpler than Japanese in every possible way except pronunciation. Most of the Chinese han4zi4 (>99%) have only one unique reading. While most of the Japanese kanji have more than two readings (onyomi and kunyomi), with four readings being common and ten readings being maximum. This is without considering all the ateji etc. shit.

Chinese grammar is simple at first but gets a little difficult as you progress. Still no where as difficult as Japanese grammar. Chinese is an isolating language, which means its grammar is even easier than English which is an analytical language. This means no inflection or conjugations etc. A word always remains as it is. Japanese and Korean are Agglutinative language. That means verb endings are even difficult than Spanish and French, which are Fusional languages.

>>16760

>The number 4 (regardless of reading) is avoided in Asia.

That is due to this.

>>16760

>>Traditionally, 4 is unlucky because it is sometimes pronounced shi, which is the word for death.

This is true in both Chinese and Japanese.

>>34978

Meant this >>16807

>>30407

There's conjugations for EVERYTHING.

Welcome to Agglutinative language.

Anki reps took a long time this morning. Some words are harder for me to memorise than others and lately there's been many of those all at once. I try to use the 'good' answer instead of 'hard' when there are more than 100 reviews, but that doesn't help so much when half of those reviews are still in the learning stage and you have to see the cards 3 times each before the word sticks.

The amazing thing to me is how passive language learning really is. Just grind it out long enough, and the subconscious brain does all of the actual work. The time investment is the only bottleneck. Any retard could learn another language. Well perhaps not a literal IQ 70 retard.

Whatever you do just do not post your questions to reddit LearnJapanese. You will be made fun of here.

https://old.reddit.com/r/japancirclejerk/

Someone seriously asked if Japanese people use honorifics during sex.

>>35001

>going on reddit

Fuck off.

>>35186

>tfw can't make heads nor tails of the Japanese

Then again, I've only been learning for two and a half months. I think the oba-san is saying "S-Something like this… Hate it— I-Impossible!" in the red text.

>>35209

>Kanji Damage

cringe

>>34977

>Still no where as difficult as Japanese grammar.

And he I am, being a brazilian, and thinking "boy, this japanese grammar is actually quite simple" portuguese is hell, full of rules each ripe with exceptions you have to memorize individually. The little grammar I know of my own language is credited to repeated usage rather than actually learned.

>>35926

>>37126

My Jap is shit too but it's something like:

you want to cooperate with me? Don't make me laugh (literally: don't say a joke)

sorry but I don't have time to help an old man like you

(not sure about the last line either) gideon (?) is waiting (?) (for me)

協力

冗談

お生憎様

アンタ　みたい　な　オッサン　に

手を貸す暇

>>37137

>don't make me laugh

I guess I should have just wrote "don't joke". I'm esl so I don't speak English either.

Has anyone here ever made us of the books written by James W. Heisig? I found a book of his on learning hiragana and katakana that was transalated into my native language and I'm interested in purchasing it. It seems like I don't have the attention span/discipline for learning through online methods and it was the only book I could find in my native language.

>>37490

*use

>>37490

If you want a textbook, Tae Kim's guide has a print version. It goes much beyond kana alone. I left focus kanji learning for after I learned grammar, and I'm not disappointed. It's a lot better to learn words if you know how they are formed.

>>37490

I have only flicked through Remembering The Kanji, but the few narratives that I did glance at wormed their way quite strongly into my memory. If his kana book is along the same lines then you'd probably have a better grasp on the kana after reading it deeply than I do after a few months of passively picking them up. However, learning the kana must be the smallest piece of learning the Japanese language. What will you do if there's no book in your native language for learning the thousands of kanji, or for the myriad verb conjugations etc.? If I were you, I'd focus on trying to overcome or circumvent the attention span issue. Perhaps you could print out other books and read/work through them away from the computer, or use Anki which doesn't need an internet connection aside from the initial downloads of the decks.

>>37520

I just downloaded it, I'm going on a vacation soon and probably won't have an internet connection or other things to distract me for a while so I'll be able to thoroughly read through it.

>>37521

>However, learning the kana must be the smallest piece of learning the Japanese language. What will you do if there's no book in your native language for learning the thousands of kanji, or for the myriad verb conjugations etc.?

As of now I have zero knowledge of the Japanese language so learning anything surrounding it will be very difficult. But if I at least know about the grammar and can read some very basic Japanese then I'll probably be able to learn Kanji through English sources. It just feels off to learn a new language from zero through another language that I'm not a native speaker of.

>I'd focus on trying to overcome or circumvent the attention span issue

You're right, I'm generally just a lazy person and I'm used to spending my free time on things that require zero effort so it's a bit difficult to find the willpower for this, there's lots of things that I have wanted to learn in the past but couldn't due to this. I do really want to learn Japanese though so I'll try to make it work out.

>or use Anki which doesn't need an internet connection aside from the initial downloads of the decks

I'd need to have basic knowledge of Japanese first to be able to use that since the app seems to revolve around transalating text and I can't really do that when I'm stuck at beginner level. Or am I wrong on that?

>>37523

check >>32171

it's an abstract I made of Tae Kim's guide. Not good enough for starters, but I hope it will help you as you read the guide.

Sorry for the formatting though, I used it on my phone and turning it into a pdf made it a bit weird

>>37537

>abstract

I keep forgetting some words don't translate directly into english as cognates

>>37523

>As of now I have zero knowledge of the Japanese language

In that case, definitely do the kana first, whether it's through Heisig's book or some other method.

>I'd need to have basic knowledge of Japanese first to be able to use that since the app seems to revolve around transalating text and I can't really do that when I'm stuck at beginner level. Or am I wrong on that?

Nah, it's what I've been using to learn vocabulary and kanji starting from the very beginning, as well as a supplement to the grammar books I've been reading. You don't have to translate things yourself to use it to learn.

The decks I've been using are all from the Anon's Japanese Learner Anki Packages in the OP. However, all of the material in that is intended for English learners of Japanese, so you may want to search for Japanese learning decks in your native language here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/. The way the vocabulary deck (from the OP link) works is that it shows you the Japanese word, then you try to remember the meaning, then you click "show answer", and it reveals the English translation, the Japanese pronunciation in audio, and the word used in a Japanese sentence (written and in audio too). You mark yourself as having remembered it or forgotten it after you show the answer. The kanji deck (from the same link) shows you an English keyword and the onyomi/kunyomi readings then when you show the answer it reveals the kanji and gives some example words.

>>37537

Thanks, I hope it proves to be helpful.

>>37539

>You don't have to translate things yourself to use it to learn.

Alright, that's good to hear. I'll use that as well although I think I still will learn the kana beforehand.

>>37541

also, check these

>>20712

>>20711

Is there any rhyme or reason to certain auxiliary verbs/adjectives being used with a verb's pre-masu stem form vs others being used with a verb's -te form? And are there any auxiliaries that can be used with either verb form?

>>37705

Te-form is used to string verbs together into a sequence of actions, and also in making expressions that might work as single words themselves (te-form+iru, ている, often abbreviated to てる, probably being the most frequent one)

A stem however is used to form other conjugations (like stem+たい means "want to do verb") or to treat a verb as a noun, allowing it to be directly modified by other verbs.

>>37705

Words like 走り出す right? You could use auxiliary verbs like て+いる with like any verb. That's not the case with compound words using a verbs 連用形. It's mostly set pairs of verbs you use together. Also, in my experience, although a lot of those sorts of compound words you can figure out how the second verb affects the meaning to create a new word, and dictionaries will have entries for what some words mean when added onto another verb like that, sometimes they're just not as straightforward and you'll just have to break out a dictionary for that compound.

To make sure I have the passive and adversity-passive constructions right, could someone check my understanding please?

Regular sentences which are in active form are these, for instance:

Actor/subject が object を transitive verb,

Actor/subject が indirect object に object を transitive verb,

Actor/subject が context/manner で intransitive verb,

etc… (I'm not including the topic は in these sentences in order to simplify the examples)

The passive construction, which corresponds to passive sentences in English, is used with transitive verbs like this:

Subject/acted-upon が actor に transitive verbれる.

The adversity-passive construction, which doesn't have a direct English analogue, can be used with either a transitive or an intransitive verb:

Subject/affected が actor に object を transitive verbれる,

Subject/affected が actor に intransitive verbれる.

>>37709 and >>37781, thanks for the answers.

>>38205

I call them causative, passive, and causative-passive (as by Tae Kim). The way I noted it for easy reference is this:

Causative

"[Subject] makes/lets [someone] (usually identified by the particle に) do [verb]"

Passive

"[verb] was done to [subject] by [someone] (usually identified by the

particle に)"

Causative-Passive

"[subject] was made to do [verb] by [someone] (usually identified by the

particle に)"

You can't always expect the subject to be marked by a particle such as が or は , as it's often implied by context. Even the secont party (usually identified by に) can be implied, but that seems to happen less often, I think.

>>38213

You're talking about the させる and させられる conjugations. The adversity-passive usage of られる is something different.

>>38264

source on pic? Tae Kim is the only grammar source I've read. Using the particle を for forced active makes a lot of sense, as it carries a sense of "object of action" with it

>>34977

>>34976

>>35342

when you go from english -> japanese you have a lot of difficulty with kanji and grammar. maybe at the beginning pronouncing r's too. because there's tons of japanese media to enjoy learning japanese is kind of familiar feeling if you've been watching anime for years. you can sorta understand things intuitively so the burden of grammar is lessened as you aren't translating professionally.

if you go from english -> chinese you have a lot of difficulty with hanzi, pronunciation, and tones. the phonological system with tones is a nightmare. from the english speakers perspective there's no chinese media, music, and other things similar to japanese. china has been closed off until recently while japan was producing stuff like ccs, dbz, ghost in the shell, gundam, and the many other popular anime in the 90's. there's no familiarity with the phonological system, media, and you have to struggle with hanzi too. chinese is a lot more off-putting to english speaking otaku who are browsing anime websites.

when you know either japanese or chinese learning the other is easier. for japanese the difficulty would be grammar while for chinese it would be pronunciation. otaku can post anime titties and chat with other otaku about learning japanese. there's no such anime titties support group for learning chinese. i think japanese has a slightly higher learning curve to begin really working with kanji, but there's more resources, support, and media to make it up. chinese you begin with hanzi right away, but you're flailing around in the nightmare of tones without otaku posting anime titties to support your heart.

>>8897

Does anyone know if there's something like LN (ideally fantasy) raws as .html files or .txt files or the like and where to get them?

I think I'd be able to very slowly read an LN, but I do need Rikaichan for a lot of the Kanji, so the usual raw pics are entirely useless.

>>38458

It sounds like you'd be interested in the DJT Cornucopia of Resources: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/cor.html

One of the tabs contains a large collection of light novels in .html, .txt, .pdf, and other formats.

>>38460

Thanks. It's been years and I completely forgot this existed.

Post your anki vocab cards with the most lapses faggots.

解決 (かいけつ solution, settlement)

事情 (じじょう circumstances, conditions)

製造 (せいぞう production, manufacture)

いずれ (eventually, sometime)

授業 (じゅぎょう class, lesson)

随分 (ずいぶん extremely, considerably)

人間 (にんげん human being)

大抵 (たいてい generally, mostly)

That they tend to be compound kanji words for me probably indicates that I'm falling behind on my kanji.

>>38732

くねる and こねる. Always used to mix them up when I was starting out. きっちり is another. I could probably still mix up a fair amount of those sorts of onomatopoeic words to this day with how many and how similar they are.

>>38732

榛

亨

昴

竦

錐

my top 5 most lapsed kanji

>>38776

>Pronunciation is not an issue at all unless your native language has very few sounds

you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to this. the phonological system in mandarin uses lots of extremely strange sounds to native english only speakers. then there's 5 tones on top of them changing the pitch so the sound you hear is altered playing tricks on your ears too. i listened to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Ayvjy-Dgs stuff like this in the background and as i slept for a long time but never even learned shit. even after months of listening to mandarin i couldn't really figure out what the hell i was hearing at all. i finally had to just buckle down and learn the IPA (international phonetic alphabet) while grinding pinyin for 4-5 hours daily. how to actually pronounce mandarin correctly was so strange i had to go learn a new alphabet and phonetic system just so i could go and begin to really understand mandarin. even then i still struggle to say stuff correctly. like when i hear ku4zi i swear to god sometimes they say ku4ze and it pisses me off so much. since the zi is neutral tone or zi5 they say part of it so the sound is practically ze.

you're overestimating kanji and ignoring how hanzi have tones you need to remember. different words change the tones so it's exactly like how kanji have different reading. remembering tone 4 or tone 1 and juggling it in a sentence is more difficult than learning the 3.5 on/kun yomi readings. you talk with others in real-time there's no jisho copy&paste. you can take your time using whatever dictionary or tool to figure out kanji readings. tones aren't optional so if you don't know the tones you simply don't know the word and you don't know the language. you not remembering random onyomi which you'll rarely see doesn't disqualify you from knowing the language.

for a point of reference i learned japanese with a straight kanji deck. all joyo then jinmeiyo with all the onyomi/kunyomi which is why i have 榛 as my most lapsed. "hanzi" are "easier" than "kanji" whatever the hell that means. either language isn't defined by the kanji or hanzi it's all of it together. i only even butted into this cause people were saying nihongo kanji is impossibru and hanzi is so easy. no.

hanzi 1

kanji 2

cn grammar 1

jpn grammar 3

cn tones+pronunciation 4

jpn pronunciation 2

6.0 cn

6.0 jpn

both are difficult as hell for english speakers. kanji vs hanzi is pointless.

>Just because you do not know how to access them does not mean they are not there.

i do know about bilibili, iqiyi, and some other stuff. the point was it's not as easy to gain access to. this thread for example has amazing resources for learning japanese refined by different anon's. there's no such thing for learning chinese which is why i said learning it is more difficult for a westerner who would be on this board.

>>38791

i messed up the rating. kanji 3? maybe 2.5? i want to shave off a point cause i'm jealous of all the learning japanese threads and community support on chans. learning chinese i get reddit and weirdo on youtube who i wonder why the hell they even learned chinese. there's nothing comfy like this thread.

>>9755

あなたは自殺するのが欲しいな

>>38791

Sorry. I wonder if you are retarded since you cannot master pronunciation easily. I did it just under a week. Obviously, I did not watch shitty youtube videos for it.

>>38791

>you're overestimating kanji and ignoring how hanzi have tones you need to remember. different words change the tones so it's exactly like how kanji have different reading.

The only tone change I come across are a few yī/qī/bù rules and last hànzì being toneless. Other than these tones of a hànzì does not change and tonal rules are pretty consistent. Give examples, if I am wrong.

remembering tone 4 or tone 1 and juggling it in a sentence is more difficult than learning the 3.5 on/kun yomi readings.

No. It is easier to remember the hànzì 人 is read as "rén" than to remember kanji 人 is nin in Goon, jin in Kanon, hito and ri in kun -yomis and ji, to, ne, hiko, fumi, ndo in nanori and where each of them applies.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA#Chinese

My difficulty ratings will be

hànzì 1

kanji 4

zh grammar 1

jp grammar + keigo 3

zh tones 3

jp pitch-accent 0

zh pronunciation 2

jp pronunciation 1

zh 7

jp 8

If you are only judging the comprehension ability, which is the most common aim of the western otakus, chinese becomes way easier than japanese.

zh 2

jp 7

>>38921

Why are you sperging out about mandarin, and the potentialnonexistent benefits of learning it vs japanese.

Why would I want to learn a language used by subhuman insectoids who are going to become extinct within the next century?

Are you one of those 'Online Patriots' that gets paid a couple yuan per post?

>>38921

>I did it just under a week.

this is called being full of shit. no you didn't. pronouncing the words incorrectly and sounding like a dumb shit saying it doesn't count as "mastering it" or even knowing it. any moron can say a fraction of what's the proper method but if that's okay then just machine translating all japanese becomes valid too. i don't have shit eating standards so if it's not near 99% correct then it's wrong. you're missing critical thinking skills along with reading comprehension, by the way. i said this is from an english only speakers perspective. aren't you the person who said you're chinese? why are now suddenly role-playing like you're a non-asian who picked it up and it's just so easy?

i learned all reading for joyo in 40 days. you never will read anything with 人 being ri and talking about nanori? you can't be serious. you aren't even capable of memorizing 3.5 kanji easily so don't daydream/role-play about having to remember nanori like you're going to go test kanji kentei 1 with your phd in the language. if you were actually autistic/disciplined enough to learn those mechanically you wouldn't exaggerate and miss my point entirely. you're just inflating kanji to hell cause you don't even know them. you can easily guess like 30% of the onyomi simply because the parts it's composed of are similar to something else once you know joyo+jinmeiyo/actually studied kanji directly. you're trying to suggest college+ reading level is the bare minimum while ni hao is all you need for mandarin. both language have lots of extremely obscure and super technical aspects which goes beyond phd level. they get so ambiguous the ceiling for kanji/hanzi is a lifetime of a study. both take thousands of hours to get proficient but some sections/parts are a bit faster or slower but it doesn't matter as you still require thousands of hours all the same.

i don't know what hell you even mean by comprehension ability? so otaku aren't reading moege/manga with furigana/simple dialogue and character interaction instead they're suppose to be reading sutra or maybe classical literature with antiquated/archaic kanji/language. all chinese is is ni hao and toddlers can understand it too? i tried to be sincere and explain how from a non-asian/english speakers perspective there's great hurdles for learning chinese for otaku due to the circumstance and familiarity involved. you decided to just troll/project stupid shit about how kanji is impossibru.

grammar, alphabet, logogram, phonetics and whatever else are worthless. language is just a medium to convey thought. any troglodyte can parrot shit in language. hanzi/kanji are unique because they're logogram which allow them to transmit special sentiment and double/triple/quadruple THOUGHT. that thought is what's truly difficult to understand. not worthless shit like readings or grammar. the kanji/hanzi itself in its simple drawn form is the most difficult part when you aren't a troglodyte reading trash. readings? grammar? who gives a shit. i'm done venting/ranting. pearls before swine.

Chiggers go home. This is a Japanese thread.

i forgot to add to that post earlier it's 多音字/duoyinzi

>>38983

i'm not asian and we're talking about japanese. if you've got the motivation to spend thousands of hours studying japanese then you'll read lots of anecdotal opinions about it also. you need a framework/point of reference to organize your thoughts and continue the slow grind knowing there's light at the end of the tunnel. i'll give you an example

there's 365 days in a year. if you practice for 1 hour per day that's only 365 hours per year. if you practice 2 hour then it's 730 while 3 becomes 1095. if you spend 9 hours per day then it's 3285 which is enough to read college level material in 1 year comfortably with minor assistance from dictionary. to put this into perspective if you spend an hour per day playing with a dildo up your butt and another hour on exhentai combined with 7 hours of internet browsing/video games then within one year you could've learned japanese if you didn't play with a dildo up your butt daily.

>>37523

My mistake, I had assumed that Tae Kim's grammar guide was a book for learning the kana as I had read those were mainly used for grammatical purposes. It turns out that most of the book is written for people who can already read kana though and want to learn the grammar rules so it wasn't that useful for me after all. I guess I'll just stick to Real Kana for the time being but I'm having a hard time memorizing kana on the long-term even while using it and my progress is very slow.

>>39427

Kana is kind of brute force. Testing, writing them down, and flashcards are all valid strategies. You need the kana down though because you will be using them for everything else you do later on learning the language. Push through it. You can do it. If you want little interactivity to your kana studies there's a couple of video games called "Learn Japanese to Survive - Hiragana Battle" and the Katakana sequel to it. It's slower than brute forcing it with Real Kana but it will make it fun to learn and you will be using the kana a shitload to hammer it home in your head. I'd only recommend it if you're having trouble with Real Kana so if you're confident that will work don't buy them.

>>39436

>>39427

I found it useful to read grammar guides primarily after having learned a few hundred vocabulary words, not before that point, because not knowing one or two words in an example sentence made it much harder for me to comprehend what the sentence as a whole is saying and how the grammar element demonstrated in that sentence works.

For memorising the kana, I made a bunch of little pictures/stories and that helped a lot. Stuff like ケ (ke) looking like a kettle with a spout pointing to the right.

>>40394

they're only chickenscratch until your brain is familiar with them then it's easily recognizable radicals/components/patterns. there's no escape from learning vocabulary as that's the bulk of any language. vocabulary doesn't just have to be anki either. you can do anki vocab decks and then spend 8 hours reading slowly using dictionary/jisho/rikai to assist you. several famous polyglot would simply take a dictionary and begin reading novels after getting basics about grammar down. rereading japanese material you like is a good method to learn vocabulary quickly if you've got patience and like the source material

if you don't know the jukugo then you probably don't know the onyomi so you don't need to be confused about what the reading is. if you know the jukugo then any other onyomi is irrelevant. if you know the onyomi but don't know the jukugo then there's still no reason to be confused as you can just guess the correct choice as you check an online dictionary. another the thing, it's easier to just type another 2 words which have the kanji, use radical search, or hand draw it instead of fiddling with the possible jukugo in ime. knowing various onyomi just reinforces your knowledge/recall ability

>>40399

what i said about jukugo only applies if you're reading a book in your hand too. with all the online material/visual novels unless you specifically want to read light novels/novels you bought off amazon.jp then it's way way easier. just copy&paste/search function/rikai and if you're reading manga without furigana learn radical search/hand drawn kanji.

>Japanese Learning Thread

できません

Should I start with hirigana or katakana first?

Where is each (hirigana, katakana, kanji) more commonly found?

>>40469

Hirigana first, then Katakana. Save kanji for last.

>>40469

Hiragana first. Hiragana is used for grammar parts of all sentences so you NEED them. Katakana is sometimes used to replace hiragana if the writer is trying to be fancy about it but that's generally considered retarded. Most of the time you'll see katakana as nouns as part of a loan word from another language like if you were to translate your name into Japanese. Kanji are the bulk of your vocabulary. Kanji + hiragana is how most words in a sentence work. You still need katakana because it's going to take a week to drill it home and you'll be good for life. You will be learning Kanji for the rest of you life so get used to learning new kanji and combinations of kanji plus the hiragana endings. Slow and steady wins the race.

>>40394

>so all I have to do to learn this language is learn vocabulary and grammar?

In certain contexts in Legend of Galactic Heroes such as when a subordinate gets merciful treatment from his superior, I hear characters saying something that sounds like "haah" but very guttural. What are they saying? A derivative of はい?

>>42841

It's a military version of はい which can also be ほう. There's also the lesser version of that which is よかい which is more of an affirmative than a "sir, yes, sir" like はあ.　Also if you're really interested look up military ranks and memorize those. They'll help a lot for most military anime.

>>42846

>よかい

You mean りょうかい／了解。

>>42851

I could never hear the り part before but now I'm sure I'll hear it every time.

>>40469

You have to learn both. I tried learning Japanese in january and I made decent progress but forgot it. People say try to get them memorized in the time span of 2 weeks. Use anki, I also used a notebook and would write them down whenever I got them wrong and also for rote memorization it helps to scribble em.

I hope you faggots have been doing your reps. Remembering the Kanji is pretty great—I've been learning Japanese faster with that method than with any other. Although, it amuses me when the author's bluepilled nature comes through:

威

intimidate

>Here we see a march of women demonstrating on behalf of equal rights, something extremely intimidating to the male chauvinist population.

You wish, lol.

Is https://my.mixtape.moe/rwlraz.apkg good for my first vocabulary deck?

Way to change the ending, CAPCOM USA…

>>47511

Also, 63: Beginning:

When the Creator came to Earth, she made two of everything

It especially surprised me because he was talking about biblical stories half the time and leftists generally aren't known for their bible study.

>>49322

混

>Mixed marriages, this character suggests, water down the quality of one’s descendants—the oldest racial nonsense in the world!

But that's exactly what happens? Can't deny that this sort of thing makes the kanji's meaning really stick in the brain though, and that's what matters in the end.

>>47699

>However, it is almost certainly still a worse idea to use popular Core decks than this one, because of the quality of the different frequency lists.

(from the description when imported) Why would I be convinced by that? It's some guy on the internet saying his deck is better than other decks for no reason. He doesn't say what makes his frequency list special.

Does VN mean Visual Novel? This deck seems to be optimised for speed, like it's a crash course in teaching you 1250 common words and enough of their usage in context that you can follow the dialogue in VNs. It's not bad for what it is I suppose, it has stuff my current vocab decks don't (little details like listing godan/ichidan for verbs, context of usages), and lacks stuff that my decks have (sound and example sentences. I'm using the vocab decks linked in the OP). The real question is the study of kanji. Learning vocab without having the kanji locked down beforehand is doing it the hard way. Some people recommend working through the whole first Heisig book or a similar amount of study before even beginning grammar and vocab, and they have a good point. I didn't do it that way because when I started learning Japanese I wasn't sure that I wanted to commit to doing all that upfront work, but I regret this now.

>>49414

That's a fantastic joke about は and が.

>>49416

Dogen on jewtube. He does short, Rakugo style comedy vids disguised as Nip lessons.

How to Learn a Language: INPUT (Why most methods don't work) (13:57)

>>49416

Tae Kim's explanation of the difference between は and が did it for me pretty well. Can't say I have much difficulty with those. When in doubt, I think of は as "about this thing, …" and が "thing is the one that is,…"

>>49658

I ephemerally get は and が. It's just a funny joke.

>>51327

>a thread that's probably dead

I hate to admit it, but you're kind of right.

To answer your question: see https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/manga/zasshi.html and click 振り仮名 to show manga with furigana. Loads of shoujo there. The huge amount of images will slow your browser the fuck down

>Namasensei

>you bitch

lel

>>51439

>there are people trying to stop people from using the language

I want to be one of those people.

>>51439

>basically a word that means bitch, your bitch

lmao

>>51446

Tae Kim for grammar (it's in the OP)

anki 2k/6k if you wanna be stuck for years while feeling you're accomplishing something

Remembering the Kanji I/II if you're serious and want to very slowly build an actual understanding of the vocabulary, after which you do anki 2k/6k

>>51454

I would suggest reading the guide for better advice. If you can't put that much effort in, then good luck getting anywhere.

Here's something more recent than what's in the OP: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

>>51450

Play way means play way. Are you retard or pretending to be one?

>>51446

Start with Genki.

>Hiragana and katakana, together referred to as the kana, are two phonetic scripts, each containing 46 characters. They represent the same sounds, but are used for different purposes.

I'm reading this but I know I'm not going to memorize it.

>you shouldn't expect to memorise everything you read the first time around in whatever guide you choose, but you should be aiming to understand it.

How can he do even that?

When I studied the most I could do was aim to memorize as much as I could.

Probably a dumb question, but how much of the stuff in the op can be used offline? I dont have much time between work and the majority of the time i would be able to study would be in the carpool back home. So im hoping to do as much as i can in as little time as possible.

>>51756

From what i remember in taking two semesters in college, katakana is usually used for loan words from other langauges. Sadly, those classes were so long ago i dont really remember much beyond that.

>>51787

>Why does not they do the same?

It would take too long to memorise it. Children have all of the time in the world for that.

>>51977

Certainly I am not a child, but I do have all the time in the world.

In addition children have a super ability to learn infinitely faster than adults, should not that be taken into consideration? An adult can hardly learn as fast as a child.

Then

How do you expect me to learn more things in less time?

Every time I want to ask a question I have to add "ka" at the end?

>>52041

No you just need a rising inflection. Ka makes it super obvious that it is a question but for example it's very often you'll hear someone say "Sou desu ka." with a downward ending inflection making it more of a statement than a question so the rule is breakable.

>>52045

Wait til you get to shi, tsu, so, and n in katakana.

>>8897

When you are 36 and finally sick of anime (which is a global cucking of cultures by the japanese, where even the most western story will still have a katana et al) and feeling hollow and detached, you will wish that you studied old Germanic (aka most people in the west) lore et al, instead of a niche language, which, while being pleasant to the ear, is not of your blood.

Unless you are Japanese, of course.

Embed doesn't even need words.

Haruhi is a goddess, right?

Why could she only create shitty jpop?

>>52077

>implying I'm not doing both

>implying I'm not gunning to be like my grandfather who knew 5 languages

>>52120

Because the hiragana system doesn't allow for the wide a diversity of combinations without repeats. This is partially why Japs constantly leave out the subject or abbreviate shit because it's just too damn long most of the time for convenience sake.

where do find audiobooks aside from amazon

>>52147

>what are your energy levels

>>52144

>sorry I broke a promise

vs

>sorry for disturbing you

>>52134

<this is in the OP

https://www.youtube.com/user/japanesepod101/videos

I do not know if this is like an audio-book but I think it works the same.

>>52062

Even after months of study I keep getting them wrong.

無駄だ。おんどれら外人どもめは偉き月の言葉である日本語を理解できるように成れる事は永遠に無理だと言う事を肝に銘じろ。

>>52276

Eventually they'll stick. Just keep reading.

>>52521

I usually use the direction from when the strokes begin and end, shi and n start from left to right while tsu and so start from right to left.

>>52171

japanesepod is a scam and a gimmick. im not gonna watch a fkin youtube video just to listen to audio

>>52077

I'll raugh at you when I'm in nipland and Jamal rapes your ass because you rounded the wrong corner during the racewar.

The west's going to get mighty fucked in the coming decade, and I at least would rather not fight to defend liberals from the consequences of their own decisions.

The fatherland is the idea.

I'm starting to think that jukugo might benefit from the same mnemonic device that the Heisig books use to teach the individual kanji. Take 運転 (うんてん, drive) for example. The keywords for these kanji are 'carry' and 'revolve', and I'm going to keep forgetting that these two kanji put together mean "drive" unless I make up a mental image about carrying truckloads of people in a giant revolving car that I'm driving.

もっともっと勉強ね。　でも僕の頭が痛いな。　日本語を習うのが苦しいぜ

>>53300

勉強をゆっくりして行ってね！！！

生粋日本人でさえ新聞を読めるように漢字勉強をすろのは１０年かかるんだよ

>>53345

There are only around 50,000 Kanji in the whole Kojien, and anons don't need to learn more than 3000 of them, and that's the amount of Kanji required for academic literacy up to Doctorate level.

Meanwhile, there are more than millions of stars out there in one galaxy, let alone the whole observable universe.

Come on, anon, don't scare them.

>>23040

>>23131

By a chance were you cucked by a Mexican? That could be the only explanation for you to hold such a petty grudge

>>53351

https://kanken.jitenon.jp

>>53355 (Checked)

Tried that one.

Can't progress further than lv. 4 without getting a score lower than 60%. Very hard.

If I remember correctly, lv 2 and 3 correspond to N1, lv. 4 and 5 correspond to N2. Don't know about lv. 1 and Pre-1, but it's definitely above N1 and they're testing the last 1000 most frequent Kanjis after the 常用漢字 set.

Anyone tried Business Japanese Test yet? I heard it tests one's Japanese fluency to an even higher standards than JLPT.

>>53373

The main goal of that page is to be ready for the Kanji Keitei, so levels 1 and pre-1 have more obscure readings and more technical vocabulary. Even for Japanese people those levels are hard

https://www.nippon.com/en/nipponblog/m00048/

>>54041

Reviews are more important that new input. Maybe try to diminish the number or review cards in order to avoid feel burn out

>>54531

>pic

I always suspect the people who say that kind of thing are normalfaggots who picture shounenshit MCs and villains throwing around 手前 as the central case of people learning to speak Japanese from anime. If you're learning from slice of life stuff you'll be fine.

I suppose there is one point in favour of the pictured argument, which is that polite forms of speaking that are common in Japanese are often not depicted in media because it would cause scenes to drag on for too long. I don't know how important that is. In English movies, characters never say "hello" on the phone to each other, they just get straight to business, yet I doubt that would be some big stumbling block for people learning to speak English and practising using English media.

>>54533

From what I've read and heard from foreigners living in Japan, as long as you don't visibly look Japanese, you'll never be seriously expected to use polite forms and if you do, will incessantly be congratulated on your perfect grasp of the language.

TL:DR: Doesn't matter unless you aim for middle-management at Sony.

>>54531

>Is this true?

Depends on the anime you're watching to pick up vocabulary, but the further you go to slice of life the stronger the "NO" answer gets.

>>49622

I wonder if there's a site or a github apk that would allow me to watch Nip television.

>>54560

Watch Gamecenter CX, and translate their videos

please

>>54562

I don't even know where to watch it or any Nip tv. I want to see Nip without subtitles to better learn the language.

>>54564

https://nyaa.si/?f=0&c=4_4&q=

>>54531

>その写真

アニメとゲームとマンガは各種な言語があるよ。　おおく消費するのがいいね。

今、俺はパソコンに日本語なテクストが出来る。でも、日本語で話しない…　

楽しいです！！　＾＿＾

>>54659

日本語は難しい

でも、楽しいね

>>54560

>>54564

There's mov3.co (stream) and forjoytv.com (paid service but you can have a 24 hour trial account)

I found this dictionary website that's geared towards translators

http://honyakustar.com/

Paste in a Japanese or English phrase and it gives you translated usage examples, sorted by length. Very quick and lightweight site.

>>55300

なびきにゆすられた方が

ゆすり？

>>54542

Really? The Japanese have been too tolerant for their own good lately. I vividly remember that one of the most prominent complain of the Japanese people about foreigners is that the latter are too rude, in mannerism, general conduct and speech.

敬語は結構難しいので、中級から慣れた方が良いだと思います

>>54903

Doesn't seem any better than Weblio, to be honest.

>>54903

>>55307

Kenkyuusha is the best resource for sentence + English translation that I'm aware of. EPWING in the guide. It's not perfect, but it sometimes groups sentences by definition being used which can be handy and from what I've seen it doesn't tend to have anything particularly bad like the following:

おからを瞬時に乾燥させることで、日持ちのする飼料として販売することができるようにした。

It makes okara into long-life feeding stuffby drying it instantly.

I am learning basic Japanese from this playlist. Someone tell me is it good?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbMVogVj5nJRmUlVaKDlcYHdecA_WFLVv

>>55910

Just read Tae Kim's book for basic Japanese.

If you're enticed to learn more about the Japanese culture, read these in that order.

1. http://www.thejapanfaq.com/FAQ-Primer.html

2. "Dogs and Demons" by Alex Kerr

You've got to get used to reading thick books, since that's the only way to learn further once you've reached intermediate Japanese proficiency.

>>55919

This post would've hit the spot if the picture contains real Indian curry instead of spiced sugar solution known as Japanese "curry".

日本の「カレー」はカレーじゃない

でも何か、旨いね

どうやって作るの?

>>55910

>first video: ~264k views

>last video: ~7k views

Huh

>>56069

>Huh

huh

>>56069

You know that there are many Weaboos cuck out of college Japanese class after their first year participating in there? The same thing seems to happen here.

徹底的にやる気のない奴は最初から辞めればいい

>>55300

>(((localizers)))

>>56125

>you will never learn to distinguish ソンツシ

>and if you do, you will never learn the meanings of >2000 kanji

>and if you do, you will never distinguish between the hundreds that are pronounced しょう, しゅう, ちょう, or ちゅう

>and if you do, you will never understand Japanese grammar

>and if you do, you will never have good reading comprehension and a native's reading speed

>and if you do, you will never understand all the slang and cultural references

>and if you do, you will never be Japanese

>>56154

The last 3 in that list are always going to be true no matter what.

>>54740

日本語は英語と比べたら簡単だよ。西洋言語は一般的に世界一難しい。

>>56278

That's because his goal isn't to read manga and watch anime in the native language but to be Oda Nobunaga.

>>52280

日本語できないやつ発見ｗｗ

>>56281

Who is that Ooga Booga you said?

>>56292

Not the Oogie Boogie man but Oda Nobunaga.

>>56293

So he is not a Bix Nood Motherfucka? Great.

I call bullshit on anyone saying Japanese is easy to listen to but hard to read and write. It's hard to listen to as well. Even with Jap subs helping me along I comprehend <10% of what is going on and most of that is from the visuals.

>>57984

Kanji is the main reason why it's hard to read and write, anon.

There are 2000+ fucking kanji that are commonly used, which you need to memorize in order to read.

I have some nip and chink friends who can't even read their fucking newspapers because of this.

>>57984

>Jap subs

Those are also written. Try to concentrate more on listening. Maybe try closing your eyes.

I can get about 30-50% of dialogue in SOLs, and the stuff I don't get is because I lack vocabulary or because processing some grammatical construct is taking too much of my brain to listen to the rest of the sentence, not because I phonetically don't get it.

>>57986

>There are 2000+ fucking kanji that are commonly used, which you need to memorize in order to read.

That's not so bad in my opinion. I'm almost halfway through the first Heisig book and from time to time I can guess the meaning of a word by recalling the keyword when seeing the kanji in context for the first time. And you can take your time with reading, but speech has to be comprehended in real time.

I'll try closing my eyes and turning up the volume.

>>57986

>I have some nip and chink friends who can't even read their fucking newspapers because of this.

Are they middle-school dropouts or something? The literacy rate in both Japan and China is over 90% but not 100% (or so they say) so it's not really a wonder some of them can't read.

How can you be friends to them, though?

>>57984

>I call bullshit on anyone saying Japanese is easy to listen to but hard to read and write.

The accuracy of this sentence depends on the speakers' mother language, honestly.

One factor in play is in their vocalization. If their mother language has a wide amount of diphthongs like English or French, it might be hard, but if their mother language is mostly restricted to monophthongs e.g. Spanish or Austronesian languages then it might be easier.

>>57990

>Those are also written. Try to concentrate more on listening. Maybe try closing your eyes.

This, or just turn off the subs.

日本語能力試験で２級に未だ至らない方々は字幕を使うことは許されるのです

Why the fuck are you fags trying to learn the world's hardest language? Try Chinese it is easier.

>>57986

You need 8000+ hànzì for Chinese.

>>58438

You mean 3k unless you're reading ancient Chinese literature.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/chinese/real_chinese/mini_guides/characters/characters_howmany.shtml

>>57984

Japanese is harder to listen to because of all the homophones. It can be a nightmare when they spout of complex and lengthy kanji compounds and technical jargon.

>>58438

>Why the fuck are you fags trying to learn the world's hardest language?

Because it's fun. If you enjoy doing something find it entertaining and willing to improve your skill at it continuously, it'll be of value someday.

Although I still fear from time to time what would do if an employer reads my resume and asks "Why Japanese?" because I literally learned it for animu and vidya. For. Ten. Years.

>>58476

Or ~2800 if you're just aiming to pass the hardest HSK (Chinese equivalent of JLPT) level.

>>58477

Chinese languages have that problem too, but the tonal system makes it a little better.

I'm bored. Give me something short like fan art to translate.

>>58487

Translate this for me.

>>>/japan/3083

>>58485

>>58476

Shit I messed up. You only need 2663 hànzì and 5000 words to pass HSK 6.

Wow! Learning Chinese is even easier than I thought.

>>58485

You are lucky you did not study Japanese for hentai games. *wink*

Doctor Asshi (Assy)

Healthy and pleasant walking feet!

>>58503

Meant for >>58500

I'm open if you guys want to keep throwing short things to translate at me.

>>58505

>>58503

>feet

nothing about ass? just feet? what about shiba international anus clinic? Is that about feet too?

>>58501

>You only need 2663 hànzì and 5000 words to pass HSK 6.

Considering that one needs to understand 2100 kanji and 10000 words to pass JLPT N1, true. That sounds surprisingly easy on paper.

>>58502

To be honest that is one reason too. My first raw Japanese vidya was an R18 visual novel.

Let's see how we can deal with the hypothetical interviewee:

"I picked Japanese as it is an ubiquitous language in many high end entertainment mediums."

>>58506

>>58503

That's the spirit, anon!

>>58509

Do you really need to pass N1? I hear some people say you only need N2 to get a job there.

>>58508

Just about feet. My personal thought on the sign is that the guy's name is Asshi and tried to romanize it to Assy and it's just a funny coincidence.

>>58510

That depends on the job really.

Open up GaijinJobs and you'll see that the majority of Japanese employers demand near-native fluency/N1 level. N2 is the lowest fluency level that they'll accept, and it only applies to a small fraction of all job openings there.

Meanwhile in Craiglist you'll find many jobs in the service industry accepting people N3-equivalent or lower fluency levels.

Here is a interesting link for you to read.

http://japaneseruleof7.com/how-to-get-a-job-in-japan/

Just scroll to the bottom of the blog entry and you'll find many sites related to job hunting.

>>58510

Define "job". If you want to get a job at a small or medium-sized business, you can always try to just walk in and ask for one in fluent Jap, N1 or no.

If you want to go sararyman at Sony, that's a different story.

Chances are you could even get a job at a warehouse with N4/5, but then you're the nip equivalent of a beaner and probably also dodging Immigration sooner rather than later, unless you have 3 doctorates and participated in international research projects a dozen times. Worst comes to worst, you could even try low-level Yakuza goon. They import blacks by marrying them to Nip whores, so if you have an IQ above room temperature you could probably manage the same, as long as you hand the nice mob people your passport.

The deadline for the JLPT is closing in, is it possible for someone who currently only knows the kana to pass N3? My current plan is to read through the DJT guide and study kanji/grammar for 2 hours/day five days a week. Though according to this thread it seems like anything under N2 is useless for serious job searching in Japan I'm really only doing the test so my uni lets me study in Japan for a semester.

>>58485

I would rather have them think I was into anime than them thinking I have yellow fever, which is what I assume when a non-asian tells me they know an asian language.

>>58520

>>58513

I actually pondered about just learning Japanese without the kanji. There is a good book for that, but it is a secret. However, the benefits are quite small. To learn romaji, just to shitpost here or getting small compliments from Japanese I speak to, is too small to motivate me.

>>58532

>The deadline for the JLPT is closing in, is it possible for someone who currently only knows the kana to pass N3?

>I actually pondered about just learning Japanese without the kanji.

Don't bother learning Japanese without learning Kanji. Even in N5 level you are required to memorize around 100 Kanji. Also you can't compensate your lack of knowledge in Kanji with better understanding in other aspects of the language, like grammar and listening comprehension. It is because the test is divided into three sections; writing, reading (読解) and listening comprehension (聴解), the first 2 which require understanding of Kanji in written forms, and you have to pass a certain score for all the sections on top of getting a sufficient total score.

IIRC, passing N2 requires a minimum of 20 in each section and 100 total score out of 180 max.

>>58615

So can this JLPT thing be put on a resume?

>>58615

That's why I did not bother to learn Japanese. Maybe later I'll learn to speak a few frequently used phrases. And that's all. Currently learning Chinese and Spanish and they are like a breeze. I think the worst thing to happen to the Japanese language was the introduction of Kanji in the past. It would have evolved differently and they would have invented their native alphabet. The entire language would have been simpler and vocabulary small. Right now there are over 9000 rules of how to mix kanji with kana and Japanese with their tremendous autism never reformed/simplified and kept those insane rules.

>>58632

Not true. Japan completely revamped the kana spelling after world war 2. The old spelling was not phonetic and still written to reflect the ancient pronounciations instead of modern, like じょう jou was written ぜう zeu, きょう kyou was written as けふ and some other crazy shit.

>>58625

At first I would simply tell you to read the previous posts but I remembered something halfway. JLPT is the most commonly used test of Japanese fluency, but there is also BJT, which seems even harder than JLPT since it tests one's capability in using complicated formal forms of Japanese language on top of all basic competency required in JLPT. Some employers demand BJT instead of JLPT, considering foreigners have a bad habit of not speaking formal Japanese by default, unlike native Japanese. 僕みたいな者さ、敬語って面倒だね

To answer your question, yes it is. But whether or not it matters really depends on the job you're looking for.

>>58632

>Currently learning Chinese and Spanish and they are like a breeze.

Your choice, anon.

>Right now there are over 9000 rules

No, more like 20 currently. Even with the old Kana usage as the >>58645 says, there were only hundreds at most.

Halfway through Remembering the Kanji part 1. Feels good, man. I try to get about 25 new kanji meanings a day.

>>59028

Good for you. I'm struggling to remember vocab. It really is a notch above kana and radicals. Maybe I should just jump into reading…

>>59055

Learning the supposed meanings of individual kanji won't help you too much with vocab, since more often than not the meaning of each word must be memorized individually anyhow. Kanji aren't words. Kanji are just used to spell words.

For example,

風船 = wind + boat = "balloon".

If you didn't specifically memorize that word, and you just saw it only knowing the individual meaning of kanji, you might think it meant sailboat or something.

>>59191

>>59028

Even if you can't always interpret the meaning from them, they can still be helpful in other ways. You can use them as mnemonics to help remember words. You can potentially better understand made up words and kanji, things using substitute characters to give a different nuance or meaning, meaning of people's names, or stuff that otherwise isn't in a standard dictionary and the like. You do have to keep in mind that kanji can have multiple meanings though.

However, I wouldn't recommend trying to learn a bunch of kanji meanings without at least learning vocabulary as well. Kind of knowing a bunch of kanji and no Japanese won't really do much for you. And from what I hear, some of the RTK keywords don't even reflect the meaning for some kanji.

>>59191

You could probably just extend the RTK mnemonic method to teach yourself compound words like that.

>>59279

Can you give me an example of what you mean?

Here's another one:

雲 + 泥

cloud + mud

means "great difference" not "cloudy mud".

>>59377

Cloud and mud are very different.

Checkmate!

>>59378

I should have made it more clear, it's just a joke, I'm not that same anon.

I've been trying that kind of mnemonics to memorize words. Kanji, however, is a whole otehr story. Some radicals make more sense, and make kanji easier to understand. On the other hand they sure do like puting pig's heads in their kanji and I can't use that for a mnemonic at all.

>>59380

If you can handle some Japanese already, you could try looking up 語起源 for words for an alternate way of thinking about some words. Like 風船 originates from balloon as in 気球. 雲泥 is no different from the phrase "heaven and hell" so pretty plain as day. Like 蛇足 includes it's origin in my dictionary entry, which is 〔ヘビの絵を早く書き上げる競争で，早くできたものが蛇に足を描き加えて失敗したという「戦国策（斉策上）」の故事から〕 and it makes for a decent mnemonic. Not all words have a clear etymology though so you can't always go that way.

>>59380

>I've been trying that kind of mnemonics to memorize words. Kanji, however, is a whole otehr story

Sorry, I didn't read this part properly, but the same idea can apply.

>>59377

Clouds are in the sky

Mud is on the earth

"There a great deal of difference between Heaven and Earth"

>>59377

>Can you give me an example of what you mean?

Something like what >>59378 said honestly, even though he said it as a joke (I'm not very good at coming up with mnemonic stories). Or >>59402.

For example, take 運転 (うんてん, verbal noun that means to drive a vehicle). The RTK keywords for the two kanji there are carry and revolve, respectively, so I imagine driving some big revolving ferris wheel-looking thing with people strapped in tightly, carrying them to their destinations as a form of public transport.