No.50157
I wish japan would stop producing cgi anime…
Mixing cgi with 2D works okay sometimes like karas and majestic prince but cgi only anime always look like garbage. Studios like polygon pictures are horribly incompetent. Japan should just hire some western or chinese studios to do cgi only anime…
No.50162
What's wrong anon? Too cute for you?
No.50166
>>50162
the animation is always super stiff and looks like there are frames missing…
No.50172
3DCG looks like shit in stuff that you would expect deserves higher production values, like nuBerserk. It looks fine in simpler stuff. I find myself forgetting that High Score Girl is 3DCG. And of course Kemono Friends was great partially because 3DCG enabled them to make tons of unique subtle animations that injected personality into the characters that would have been too expensive or time consuming to do traditonally.
No.50177
>>50172
>I find myself forgetting that High Score Girl is 3DCG.
Only if they're completely still but as soon as they start moving it looks awkward as hell…
It's not a huge problem since they hardly ever move in this show so it's not as egregious as berserk…
No.50178
I have admited my own shit taste, I own that shit, as I'm too permissive when it comes to other examples of CG that other people seem to dislike (I think Blame was fine, for example)
But even I can't excuse the current FotNS. That shit is horrible.
No.50190
Japs have this fucktarded idea that choppy cell-shaded 3D somehow looks "more 2D", so instead of properly treating 3D like its own separate thing and coming up with new techniques to make 3D models look more elastic at higher framerates, they just make this stiff low-framerate garbage that looks like shit to try to imitate 2D.
No.50191
>>50190
THIS
I don't fucking understand the low framerate bullshit.
It was made to lower the costs for traditional animation, but with 3DCG everything is mostly digital.
No.50202
No.50219
>>50157
Honestly, i don't have a grudge against using CGI since when it's done well, it's visually stunning. I think JJBA's Part 1-3 OPs are a good example of how CGI managed to be superior than the actual animation of the series.
They're just tools, and so far (imo) the Japs are poorly implementing it into their moving mongolian picture serials
>>50190
this right here
this shit is what plagues most 3DCG animoo, i would also like to add they look 'off' since the movements are super stiff and usually doesn't squash & stretch as traditional animation would.
No.50221
I think one problem is that, if video game cutscenes have shown, Japs can make good looking CG. It's just that all the CG talent in Japan is in games while the only CG animators in anime are people used to working with 2D and being forced to learn a completely different workflow on top being over worked and paid slave wages.
No.50225
>>50221
This shit happens even in games. Look at the new ArcSys games like Xrd and DBFZ, they CAN make detailed models with tons of filters and smooth animations with elasticity at high framerates, but they chop it all out to imitate 2D, they even showed what the animations looked like at higher framerates in their videos showcasing the engine, and they looked great, they just artificially make them choppy because they think that choppy shit is some kind of stylistic choice instead of being a limitation. Nevermind the fact that every single time a sakuga animation is supposed to show off, the first thing it does is to ramp up the framerate.
No.50230
We have a thread on this >>7782
No.50236
>>50225
full video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E
don't know if they have others that showcase this for guilty gear and dbzf…
No.50238
>>50236
>>50225
Those are games trying to imitate anime, hence why they use that choppy framerate you see in CG anime. I agree that it's stupid idea as it just makes the CG look stiff.
I was mostly referring to CG you see in Fnal Fantasy. Shit games that they are, Square still knows how to make sharp looking well animated CG, and I don't why more studios try to at least mimic their fluidity.
No.50239
>>50238
I wouldn’t call the final fantasy cutscenes as “anime style” plus they have a much higher budget
No.50241
>>50239
To my eyes they still look Japanese, though I'd say the more recent games like FFXV look more generic.
>plus they have a much higher budget
That's the thing, they have a high budget and can swipe up actual talented CG animators in Japan. This leave the budget starved anime industry with scraps of talent. And even then you don't need a high budget to have a high framerate in CG. It costs nothing to add or reduce frames in CG.
No.50261
CGI is wonderful and only getting better and better, but you need to go either full CG or not at all. It's drastically harder when they try to blend a 2D scene with some CG in the background or something. That always looks like shit unless you've got some skilled higher-budget shit going on, and who even has the money for that?
No.50273
Houseki no Kuni should have banished anyone's doubts that CG can't be done properly. Clearly the potential is there for it to be done and done well. Of course, the industry is lazy and companies want it to be done as cheaply as possible so we get all the terrible CG shit that everyone hates. That is no reason to hate on CG in its entirety.
No.50280
>>50273
Etotama had better CG.
No.50312
>>50157
CGI is fine when done right. >>50162 has been pretty comfy so far
No.50317
CG isn't terrible. The issue is no one has any fucking clue how to use it, and anyone who DOES use it is using it as an extreme cost cutting measure.
No.50321
>>50317
the CGI from full metal panic was pretty good
for reference see webms from: >>24235
No.50329
>CGI
Computer Graphical Interface?
No.50335
>>50329
>first time hearing CGI
>makes dumb retarded joke
>>>/cuckchan/
No.50348
>>50335
>Doesn't understand the level of meta cross-board ironic shitposting going down
>Tells others to go back to cuckchan
>>>/cuckchan/
>>>/reddit/
No.50385
>>50348
>ironic shitposting
>>>/oven/
No.50408
Why did they have to do it with Souten No Ken?
I've been waiting for years for a new anime, and they decide to do this, and I don't even want to watch it.
Now I know how Berserk fans feel.
No.50415
>>50408
Reminder that we already have a thread about this >>7782
No.50441
>>50415
Counter sage. Take it up with the mods faggot.
No.50453
It only bothers me when they try very poorly to mask that it is CG. Just make it good CG like appleseed and no one would be down on it.
No.50484
>>50335
The term you are looking for is computer graphics (CG). CGI is used for something else.
No.50503
>>50261
>substandard idol webm
Disappointing.
No.50506
>>50503
It's not substandard! and stop stalking me you creeper.
No.50510
>>50273
Houseki no Kuni was sketched out in 2d first before putting 3d over it.
I'd say it's more 2.5d
No.50513
>>50506
How the fuck do they not trip and mess up when dancing on a spinning surface? The amount of spatial ability they have is crazy. On par with the marathon runners of ancient greece.
No.50517
>>50513
Don't underestimate idols! With enough aikatsu, you can even shoot danmaku.
No.50518
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>50312
>>50162
If the entire series looks this bad I'm glad I gave it a pass. My country of 5 million people makes shows that look this bad for preschool toddlers.
No.50585
>>50415
the subjects are sufficiently different: this thread is about shows that are majority (3d)cg: aijin / berserk / houseki no kuni while the other thread is about shows that are cg enhanced or 2dcg like kimi no na wa / violet evergarden / azumanga daioh
No.58341
>>50190
Isn't it a budget problem? Makoto Shinkai use 3d cos it was cheaper & faster than traditional 2d.
>>50157
You want JP to make GOOD 3dcg.
No.58353
Why did they do it to souten no ken of all things?
No.58372
>>50157
I find it funny many do not like CGI but never watched Land Of The Lustrous. Either way though usually CGI is to cut down on cost and to not overwork their employees to death. Either one or two things needs to happen.
>More people buy Blu Rays so Studios can hire more employees for digital animation and potentially get better equipment
>Do nothing and get the same quality.
Some of it is good currently and I would argue will get better with time. But support is the best thing to do with smaller studios.
No.58435
>>58372
Triger and Bunny was one of the first to use it so much and it did it better than anyone else has since the show aired. It even combined 3D and 2D on the SAME FUCKING CHARACTER MODEL AT ONCE and had it not look terrible. Whoever was responsible for that needs to start hosting classes.
No.58443
No.58457
>>58443
in what ways? it has a worse detail, lowered stuttering fps, awkward motions, less facial expressions, etc barring a very tiny few examples that did it well.
No.58459
Literally Kemono Friends-tier animation.
No.58696
>>58459
Kemono friends is the best 3DCG anime of the decade you fucking subhuman.
No.58697
>>58696
yfw the swordfight in Kemono Friends was better animated than any in Berserk 2016
No.58706
No.58730
>>58696
>>58697
Fuck off stupid nigger
No.58737
>>58730
have some quality cgi for that witty retort deserves
No.58748
>>58737
Was that bear animated by Queen Bee?
No.58882
>>58737
Jesus christ. I'd heard about the CGI bear but I didn't think it would be THAT bad.