/abdl/ - Adult Baby - Diaper Lover★

>>70842 (OP)

>THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF BONGLAND.

Alternatively

>tfw you were born to early to experience your globalization fantasies

The "as old as seven" remark likely represents a single outlier case.

The said, data supports the idea that potty training has become increasingly further away from birth, with the average age currently greater than 3 years in the US (37 months), and that was a study conducted in 2001. That age is more than twice the average age of the pre-disposable era. This change of course is a symbol of more than parents being lazy or kids being distracted.

The technology embedded in our disposable diapers aims at making babies and toddlers as comfortable as possible and minimizing diaper rash. To achieve both goals requires the inside of the diaper to remain as dry as possible and that is not only good for the health of our young but also displaces them from the awareness of the state of their diapers. We have seen Huggies create "cool alert", which aims to help children connect the act of wetting to a sensation and connect the dots to eventually convince themselves to use the potty. Older toddlers, 39 months for boys on average, are beginning to be able to conceptualize things that they see in their daily lives and diapers are in them. I theorize that they begin to realize the convenience for diapers on them and that creates the infamous potty resistance that parents often see. This is connected to our technological advances outside of diapers.

Our technology from outside diapers is also not a benefit to our potty training times, and still connects back to my convenience theory. Older toddlers becoming enthralled in their tablets or other technological gadget that require their attention consistently because of all the moving pictures, their attention and priorities are drawn towards their present activity and when they get an urge while wearing diapers or training pants, they understand the utility of the diaper and use it anyway. I wonder if kids that are generally involved in lower-energy activities have greater success at early potty training… and maybe that is why girls are easier? I'm not a parent, I just read alot and have some nephews & nieces.

The final component that has lead to later potty training is economic need of families. In order to keep the house up, families are in the need to have both parents working in order to sustain themselves comfortably. With at least one parent absent for most waking hours, there is less work overall done towards ensuring successful toilet training. The household needs or activities that one person needs to do leaves little convenient time for focus on training and results in a longer period of diapers being used.

Nobody here will tell the absolute truth in a tale where their training took them until 5/6/7/8 since all should be before the time of intense technological advancements and lazier parenting methods. I was out by 18 months because I was present when an older brother was training, never used training pants myself, and it's what I attribute to my desire to wear again.

>>70851

>The final component that has lead to later potty training is economic need of families. In order to keep the house up, families are in the need to have both parents working in order to sustain themselves comfortably. With at least one parent absent for most waking hours, there is less work overall done towards ensuring successful toilet training. The household needs or activities that one person needs to do leaves little convenient time for focus on training and results in a longer period of diapers being used.

I always just assumed it is this tbh.

I live in the UK. There was an article a few months ago claiming that there's a "Large" number of 15-year-old boys who still wear nappies to school.

There was an uproar about the exposed article. And the parents got the blame.

Here's a link to an old article in 2014:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614540/1-600-pupils-five-wearing-nappies-school-One-ten-senior-primary-teachers-say-child-care-not-toilet-trained.html

The one I mentioned before, it was on Sky News in May 2018. I can't find it anywhere.

>>70865

I call bullshit on this one

>>70872

I did some Googling, the statement made by the previous user is half-true.

The lie half was that there was no statement that the 15yo was wearing diapers, but the truth half is that s/he was not comfortable in using the toilet. I think that would mean requiring supervision or needing a bathroom buddy.

>>70842 (OP)

I must be a weirdo then, because I wasn't potty trained until I was 6. It wasn't even due to bad parenting or me disliking the toilet. It was more of a "we'll let the kid decide when they're ready" kind of deal. My mom also let me wear diapers for about a week when I was 10 too because I asked for them for whatever reason.

>>70877

>My mom also let me wear diapers for about a week when I was 10 too because I asked for them for whatever reason.

Details

>>70880

For one reason or another, I asked my mom if I could be diapered again. It was a combo of my little sister getting attention and some other stuff. We had a policy of honesty in my house, meaning I didn't lie or hide stuff. I vaguely remember coming up with some dumb excuse, and she said it was fine, as long as I took out the trash and did some other chores.

I probably realized pooping my pants wasn't the most fun of things, thus I got over it and lost interest pretty quickly. I distinctly remember REALLY hating one time where I messed in the car due to some major traffic and had to wait a while to get changed.

>>70882

Who changed you? Did other kids say anything? What kind of diapers were they? Did you wear 24/7? Being diapered for fun as a kid would have been my dream

>>70884

She changed me, and it was Pampers or Huggies or whatever. It was 24/7, which also probably contributed to me not wanting to wear them after doing so for a short while. I don't remember any issues with other kids, and I don't recall it being cold, so I'd imagine this was during the summer.

The thing is, hindsight is 20/20. Back then I was obviously thinking this is lame/gross. If I had my current mindset, obviously I'd stay in diapers as long as she allowed for it.

>>70851

>That age is more than twice the average age of the pre-disposable era. This change of course is a symbol of more than parents being lazy or kids being distracted.

If you take these 2 statements in reverse, a lot of experts actually think disposable diapers have gotten so absorbent children often don't realise they've wet themselves and are slower to learn.

>>70866

"There were even perfectly healthy pupils in their teens -- without medical conditions or developmental problems – who were unable to go to the bathroom on their own, it was reported."

What does that mean? They need someone to wipe their ass?

My step sister wiped my nephew's ass until he was like 12 which was totally ridiculous. She's an insane helicopter mom though, and the kid still acts like a fucking 5 year old now that he's 14.

Examples include, crying because he was scared while watching the original Jurassic Park this past summer. And laying all over the floor next to the table this past Thanksgiving playing on his iPad and refusing to eat because he "didn't like anything."

Fucking 14. I had to step over him to get up and get more food. If that were my kid I'd tell him to get his fucking ass up and sit at the table like an adult. I don't give a fuck if he "doesn't like the food".

And no, he's not autistic or developmentally delayed.

>>70906

You don't sound like a great parent either, to be honest.

There's a happy middle ground somewhere between your two approaches.

>>70906

Sounds like your step sister needs to beat his ass.

>>70907

I'm not a parent but I would be embarrassed as hell if my kid did that at age 14. Imagine going to school with other kids who are starting to go on dates, getting jobs, playing on teams, starting bands, smoking weed… and you're the emotionally immature weirdo in the classroom. That's a label you just can't shake, and the more you miss out, the more of a loner you become.

>>70910

No doubt about that, but shouting at the kid and telling him you don't give a fuck isn't going to fix the problem. Emotional reactions very rarely make situations better.

>>70872

Here's my proof on Sky News, mother-fucker.

https://news.sky.com/story/children-over-five-wearing-nappies-in-class-10407948

>>70934

Most of this 'train when the child is ready' nonsense originates from diaper manufacturers looking to capitalize on naive parents. Diaper manufacturing is a multi-BILLION dollar a year power house and it's only getting bigger and better for the corporate sleazeballs who, if they had their way, would just do away with toilets entirely and have every last person on the planet diaper dependent.

When I was a kid there was no such thing as a Pampers "size 6" or whatever the hell number they're up to now. All that nonsense got started in the 90s, primarily with T. Berry Brazelton pushing it constantly, who, unsurprisingly, was being funded directly by diaper manufacturers. Made painfully obvious by the fact that 80% of the commercials shown during his show were diaper ads.

There's this one exceptionally cringey clip where he talks about how "delicious" it is that this mom is still diapering her kid well on past the age of 3.

>>70935

hmmmmmm fanfic time?

>>70906

wow 14 years olds doing that? such a weak generation .

>>70882

>> I distinctly remember REALLY hating one time where I messed in the car due to some major traffic and had to wait a while to get changed.

so you were in the car and got stuck in traffic, and had an accident as a result? or you messed on purpose and then got stuck in traffic? Can you provide any details on this experience?

>>70941

The former. There wasn't much to it really. I ended up wearing diapers on and off in semi-secret after that. My mom found some goodnites I had bought when I was 15 or so. I had them in my "secret" hiding spot (read: a box under my bed). At least she was a good sport about it and told me to hide my stuff better, and that she'd support me in anything I did as long as it didn't hurt me or others.

>>70935

>if they had their way, would just do away with toilets entirely and have every last person on the planet diaper dependent.

How can we help them with their plan?

>>70935

source on him being funded by manufacturers?

>>70955

On his shows in the 90s it would specifically tell you who the direct sponsors of the show were, which were primarily diaper manufacturers.

>>70935

who, if they had their way, would just do away with toilets entirely and have every last person on the planet diaper dependent.

If that were the case wouldn't Oamoers and Huggies start making adult diapers? It's not like they don't know about ABDLs, they just don't want to because it'd scare off uptight mothers

>>70906

My mom wiped my butt til I was 11 tbh.

>>70938

I've had the idea for a while of a near future setting where a small cartel of diaper manufacturers have succeeded in using various propaganda techniques to somewhat normalize the idea of older children wearing diapers. The average potty training age is 5 or 6 and diaper punishment is regarded as an acceptable, if slightly unorthodox, means of discipline.

Almost all elementary schools will change students' diapers and although most middle schools expect children to be potty trained, there are some which take diapered kids. There are even quite a few schools which require potty trained kids to still wear training pants, just in case.

All the large diaper manufacturers have product ranges aimed at school-age kids, plus various products specifically designed for diaper punishment. These tend to have thicker padding and more babyish designs, and they even sell child-sized locking plastic pants. Of course they've hired (read: bribed) some psychologists to say that all this is good for the children.

>>70966

They do make adult diapers. Procter & Gamble owns Pampers and Always; Kimberly-Clark owns Huggies and Depend; Domtar owns Comfees and Attends… pretty much every adult diaper manufacturer also has a baby product that they also sell.

>>70851

Heh, while I don't quite remember potty training itself, I do have some memories of my first years in underwear and I soiled a lot of underpants because I'd get too absorbed in playtime. I was even sent to pre-school (4 years old) wearing pullups. Fortunately I was problem-free by Kindergarten.

>>70970

That's for medical incontinence, as opposed to ABDL which is a fairly sizeable market nowadays

>>70975

…well they're interested in making money, so it would make sense advertise/market adult products as ones of convenience, not as a fetish accessory.

Think of it like the "trans community", normalizing that has essentially opened the door to allow those with a cross dressing fetish to blend in openly, turning fetish into "lifestyle choice".

That's the really disturbing thing when you start to examine the world we live in and humanity as a whole… much of it is driven by the attempt to normalize sexual desires under the guise of other forms.

>>70977

>That's the really disturbing thing when you start to examine the world we live in and humanity as a whole… much of it is driven by the attempt to normalize sexual desires under the guise of other forms.

/pol/'s paranoid fantasies bear little resemblance to reality. Humanity faces a lot of problems, many of our own making, but that isn't one of them. 99% of everything our species does is motivated by short-sighted greed for money. There aren't boardrooms full of executives discussing how to make your kids gay - there are boardrooms full of executives discussing how to take everything you own and enslave your kids with debt.

>>70907

Don't get me wrong, that's generally not my parenting style. I'm not a screaming or corporal punishment kind of guy.

In fact I think kids, even young ones, really benefit from being sat down, spoken to in a mature way, and have it explained to them why their actions are wrong and why they need to perform the correct action.

I'm just tired of this kids shit though.

>>70978

But you WANT because it's a form of power, a form of dominance. Having more than others, controlling others, it's dominance. And then on the flip side you have submission.

Almost anything, including any sexual fetish can be quantified in terms of dominance and submission, which are largely rooted in sexuality.

Ultimately though it's about pleasure seeking. We want to feel good, we strive to feel good and our sexual interests, whether rooted in dominance or submission, make us feel pleasure… generally the MOST pleasure we're capable of experiencing (outside of drug use).

>>70980

Sexual dominance/submission doesn't lead to a run-away positive feedback loop of ever greater dominance/submission. Wealth/poverty does create a positive feedback loop of ever increasing wealth/poverty under capitalism. That's why the people in power are the ones who pursue money above all else rather than sexual dominants.

>>70983

Nah, people seek pleasure, gotta get that dopamine hit. Getting/wanting money, spending money on things, wishing for things, it's all to seek some form of pleasure.

And money/power are forms of attracting sex. If you're rich you can have any woman you want, or at least that's the fantasy.

And a lot of it is entirely fantasy. That's why the poor don't stop struggling, they don't just give up, because the fantasy of making it big, of becoming rich/powerful is pleasurable… I mean, just look at how insane lottery sales have become.

People want money to fuel their fantasies. Even with this fetish, without money you can't buy diapers, you can't buy babyish stuff, you can't buy caregivers to indulge your fantasies and if you want a "24/7 lifestyle"… well, you're gonna need a LOT of money!

People spend money on the things that give them pleasure and sexual interests generally bring the most pleasure.

You also talk about "the people in power"… but those are never the same people. Power comes and power goes, and success is like a drug that tricks smart people into making dumb decisions, which in turn destroys the money/power that they've gained. That destruction in turn creates a power vacuum allowing new people to rise up and rise into control/power.

It's never static and that's why it works… because there's always a chance, there's always the hope, there's always the possibility that you will become one of the lucky ones.

>>70985

You're worse than Freud.

Read any basic economics textbook.

>>70987

You have to look at the underlying desires though. You have to look at the psychology and sociology of economics… which is sadly lacking, hence the reason companies are screwing up so badly. I mean Mic dot com just laid off its entire staff and they're selling off all their assets. All these economists and marketing experts poured everything into far left driven enterprises and it's blowing up in their faces left and right.

That's because they neglected the underlying psychology and sociology and were so focused on pure economics that they were unable to feel the winds of want changing around them.

It's all about pleasure, it's all about that rush of dopamine. It's the thing behind all other things that drives us. And business wise the better you can make your customers feel the easier it is to part them from their money.

On the flip side, look at Battlefield 5… you insult your customers, attack them, make them feel bad and… YIKES!

>>70980

>Almost anything, including any sexual fetish can be quantified in terms of dominance and submission, which are largely rooted in sexuality

Absolute fucking bullshit, you fucking subhuman

You aren't worth the air you breathe

>>70980

Wow can you not think like an animal for a second of your life, you waste of air?

>>71006

And this is you pissing a bit, howling real loud and attempting to establish dominance… but you're no alpha. Know your place, beta.

>>71008

Humans are animals, Braintrust.

>>71053

>incels

That doesn't really work as an insult on an imageboard. It's like coming here and calling people nerds or perverts.

I mean, that guy probably is an incel, but there are far worse things you could say about him.

>>71053

>Meanwhile in a perfect world

>>70885

Did you get this interest later years? I have had it as long as I can remember, but always to scared or not having access to diapers since early teens.

I'm English and proud. But the lack of fucking parenting in my beloved country is really fucking me off.

Take a read of this NEW article.

https://news.sky.com/story/parents-should-not-abdicate-responsibilities-ofsted-chief-11569429

>>71122

I honestly can't think of a single thing to be proud of in this country. If it wasn't for my family, I'd leave right now.

Why don't they do a more "standardized" potty training? All child stay diapered until kindergarten, or the same level of schooling, whatever it be called, and then all the children are potty-trained together. Most parents don't go out of their way to teach their kids how to read, they trust the teachers to do it, same with potty training. Of course there will be tests and report cards sent home telling the parents how the children are doing keeping dry just like they send home report cards saying how well they know their ABC's.

>>71132

Yeah, that totally won't make things much worse for those who are late potty trainers or have continence issues. If anything, schools should be teaching children not to make fun of others for wearing diapers.

>>71132

> then all the children are potty-trained together

Literally commie shit

>>71146

>anything public is gommunism XD

How's that mcdonalds taste, yank?

>>71132

That's a terrible idea. The act of going to the potty is on a per-need basis, and kids spend more time at home with parents than they do with teachers.

Parents aren't going to magically find out how their kid is doing in potty training by a report card because they already know how it is progressing since they deal with it every day.

Well, it's not entirely a bad idea. I mean, it is good to have an "average age" for potty training, which generally speaking used to be 2 years old… not to say EVERY child should be potty trained by that age, but just as a general guideline it's about the age you should at least ATTEMPT to potty train by.