/abdl/ - Adult Baby - Diaper Lover★

>>43144 (OP)

One assumption is that the internet is only exposing and not causing ETLs. I have more than one, and I can trace some, but not all, to certain fetish sites for the one I had naturally. Get one ETL too early, acquire a whole bunch more thanks to masturbating to weird shit in early puberty.

Also, assuming these things occur in puberty is a mistake- I've been into AB since I was four. My friends that ended up furries, I could've predicted it when they were 7-8 (those kids that always wanted to pretend to be animals).

>>43144 (OP)

I can't help but feel that ETL error is just popsci garbage. At best it's a gross oversimplification of a complex array of issues.

Psychologists who come up with these ideas are like people in the 17th century trying to explain how a modern smartphone works. It's little more than guesswork tainted by superstition and "common sense".

>>43145

>I can trace some, but not all, to certain fetish sites

Two questions:

1. What aspects of ABDL do you enjoy, and what emotions do those aspects evoke in you?

2. What are the fetishes you believe you acquired from a fetish site?

A large percentage of ABDLs grow up thinking they are alone in their fetish. If they acquired this fetish online through early exposure, it stands to reason that they wouldn't feel like they were the only ones in the world having their desires. I think a large majority develop being an ABDL before puberty. Toddlertime website about infantilism goes over this a little. It discusses how it's more a paraphilia than a fetish as a fetish develops during and after puberty, while a paraphilia develops before puberty. What happens when a child eventually develops puberty while also having this desire is that this desire ends up merging with the libido, and therefore adds a new layer of pleasure and a means for catharsis. It's both emotionally and sexually fulfilling.

I don't feel that I have ever acquired a fetish from any fetish site. I have fapped to some fetish material as a way to reach a sexual high, but they never stuck with me. I feel that whatever fetish I was meant to have, started in my childhood and with my genetics.

>>43158

I feel the same way. It sounds like it belongs in the same category as the NoFap cult. I haven't seen any association talking about this seriously.

>>43162

>I haven't seen any association talking about this seriously.

Can they? It implicates trans people to be in the same boat as fetishists. They would get crucified.

I don't think it can be completely definitive of every case but it can be thought of true generally. Assuming that ETL has always been present in our psyche, I think this is a gauge of the breakdown of community. Reason being that behaviors that would be considered deviant in the past would put the person at odds with his entire community structure and force his deviant side to go into hiding.

Yes, halfbaked wacko theory on my part and the entire ETL thing but it's also an idea that can't be discussed openly and is on the blind spot of the entire culture. We should be trying to disprove such assertions rather than dismiss them.

>>43161

I was obsessed with diapers long before I ever had any sexual inklings or thoughts. I remember being obsessed with any television show or movie that had any reference to diapers. I took my parents to go see Spy Kids like 3 times just because there was the bedwetting storyline about the girl in that movie and there was that scene where her brother calls her "diaper lady" and for some reason I couldn't get it out of my head. I was like 8 at the time. Then I started stealing diapers from my cousins and even going down to the grocery store and stealing diapers out of packages when no one was looking. When I went through puberty it intensified the fetish immensely but I certainly was interested in diapers long before that

>>43161

>a fetish develops during and after puberty, while a paraphilia develops before puberty

I also really wish people would stop trying to categorize complex psychological phenomena into simplistic categories based on the most superficial criteria. People spend far, far more time discussing what things should be called than discussing what they actually are.

>>43174

If you want to disprove it, throw a few trillion dollars into funding fundamental neuroscience research and then wait at least 50 years. Our current technology is woefully inadequate for the task of explaining how sexual attraction even arises in normal people, let alone how it can vary in people like ourselves.

>>43158

>I can't help but feel

>It's little more than guesswork tainted by superstition and "common sense".

lol

>>43182

A fetish is a fixation on an object or idea.

A paraphilia is a sexual fetish.

>>43182

>I also really wish people would stop trying to categorize complex psychological phenomena into simplistic categories based on the most superficial criteria. People spend far, far more time discussing what things should be called than discussing what they actually are.

Yeah, why the heck can't people talk about stuff without mutually understood terms; words are stupid!

>>43161

>A large percentage of ABDLs grow up thinking they are alone in their fetish. If they acquired this fetish online through early exposure, it stands to reason that they wouldn't feel like they were the only ones in the world having their desires.

Seriously if you grew up in the 90s I could see this as true, because only 10-20% of USA pop had a computer and internet. So yeah sure makes sense. I wasn't the majority, I knew others had this desire to wear diapers growing up (granted it was diapered voldimort and DPF). The sense of loneliness came from not telling anyone about it for fear of being harassed, looked upon as some freak, or disappointment from my parents. It didn't help I went to private catholic school. My feeling is under 10 talk to parents, over 13 its your biz; 11-12 eh its a gray area. I think that while not the worst advice ive read, it is up there in bad avice.

Anyone born in the 90s and later has a pretty good chance of knowing they aren't the only one out there with a fetish or paraphilia.

Everyone seems to be assuming that kids have exactly zero sexual feelings before puberty. At least in my case, this certainly isn't true.

I convinced my mom to diaper me a couple of times around age 5 and it definitely felt good "down there" even though it obviously didn't have the full context of adult sexuality.

I also have distinct memories of getting something resembling 'aroused' thinking about diapers and other things that now turn me on.

Then I kept having diaper desires off and on growing up but it didn't really hit me with full strength until puberty.

First, the very first time I masturbated and had an ejaculation I recall thinking 'this would be so much nicer with diapers instead'.

At this point I had no idea there was such a thing as a diaper fetish. I didn't exactly feel bad about it, but I had known for long that this was something to better not talk about and keep hidden.

Then somewhat later I kept having these recurring dreams related to diapers. After a couple of them, I entered "diapers" into a search engine which eventually led to DPF.

And the rest is history - I bought a pack of the largest size Pampers, and after some initial confusion because diapers were now quite different from what I remembered, I was in heaven.

Would I have ended up actually buying diapers without the Internet? Certainly, but it would have been later. I distinctly recall thinking a lot growing up that the first thing I would do when I was an adult and had my own place would be to buy a lot of diapers. DPF et al. just pushed me into doing it earlier, and perhaps also into actually using them both ways, but I would probably have started doing so sooner or later as well.

By the way, regarding kids sexuality, I can't exactly be the only one having some sort of sexuality at an early age. When I was around 8-9 me and some others were very interested in porno mags and even had "sex" with each other… I guess that's what Cultural Marxism does to kids?

But if you're around babies and toddlers you see them playing with themselves all the time, so it can't all be (((their))) fault.

>>43187

>mutually understood terms

I've heard numerous different and mutually exclusive definitions for the differences between a fetish, a sexuality, and a paraphilia. Every time someone uses them they seem to come up with a new definition. It completely defeats the purpose of using words to communicate.

Also, I have more general concerns about the value of categorizing sexual attractions in that way. Often a bad categorization scheme is even worse than no categorization scheme. Imagine trying to understand medicine when you're starting from the point of having diseases categorized by which excess/deficient humors cause them.

>>43185

Sorry, nope.

Fetish, in this context, is an atypical sexual fixation on an object/idea.

Paraphilia is, in simple terms, when a fetish gets out of control and causes distress to the person or others. It's the term used when a fetish becomes a psych disorder.

If there's no sexual aspect to it then it's just an obsession, not a fetish.

"God, why am I so into being a baby and shitting myself?"

It's a targeting error. You were actually supposed to be a baby-raping pedophile

>>43250

Jokes on you, I'm comfortable with my fetish/paraphilia whatever you want to call it.

I personally haven't seen any evidence for ETL. Every generation came up with concepts of why things are what they are. There's logic to it but it'll probably go the same way many concepts did. Back then, doctors thought gay people are that way because they have a dysfunctional thyroid.

>>43250

sounds like baby-raping pedophiles were supposed to be adult babies. #winning

>>43328

I like how you think, sir.

>>43253

>I personally haven't seen any evidence for ETL.

Furries are the evidence.

>>43338

I mean actual science. Not just guess work.

>>43339

Doesn't say much, neither is there actual science proving that beating children traumatizes them. Even if you would conduct such an experiment there are still unaccounted variables.

>>43340

Child abuse has been known to cause brain damage.

What I am getting at is that this is still up in the air. The study of the human mind is still in it's infancy. It wasn't long ago when we lobotomized people because it was the best we could do.

>>43199

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>>43199

I can report that I fapped to am organic age regression fantasy first, *then* ran to Google to see what the fuck was wrong with me. Born in 91 though and my parents were pretty restrictive re: early age internet usage

I think targeting error theory is flawed because of my experience with furries/ABDL.

Many furries and ABDL gain the fetish because they long to gain perceived advantages from their respective classes. Common ABDL origin stories include embarrassed/shamed bedwetters & having a mother who ran an at-home nursery. Nobody is treated as well as the family dog, etc. In addition, most age players seem to want to be baby or toddler tier, while pedophiles tend to fantasize about older kids. So the idea that these fetishes are primarily driven by an inverted desire to fuck the thing being idolized seems just way off.

While I suspect some trannies are driven by the above process, there are also a lot who get into autogynephilia by fapping to a shit ton of pornography, which is an actual inversion error

>>43347

I think it's as simple as being envious of what a baby experiences. The focus has nothing to do with sex. In my experience, the number 1 turn-on and trigger for them is vulnerability.

It's like saying those into slave-play idolize and want to have sex with slaves. Or women into pet-play idolize and want to fuck doggos. The focus here is clearly on the power exchange and what the roles represent for the individual.

>>43212

I agree on the sexual feelings/arousals before puberty, had some of those myself, including involving diapers and such.

But diapers as a fetish didn't even come to me until i saw some porn of it and thought it was fucking hot. I wonder if I would've ever turned this degenerate if not for the chans…

I'm not that into being and acting like a baby, mostly just diapers, sort of like lingerie.

>>43350

To add, I'd imagine one of the reason men like to trap it up is because of what a woman, in their mind, represents. In our culture, women represent submissiveness; Something to be dominated and conquered. A gay trap, that is already effeminate and submissive, may use symbols of submissiveness to further drive home their sexual role to themselves and their partner.

If we lived in a matriarchal culture, the same guy may try to dress the opposite of the women in power.

It's not what it is, but what it represents.

>>43351

Well, I kinda wonder if I had become as much of a pervert without the Internet.

I mean, now I get a boner changing a messy diaper. No way to pretend that's just about having an odd taste in underwear.

>>43351

What aspect of diapers makes you like them? Is it the humiliation, the loss of control, the protection, or something else? You probably already had a fetish for a certain mental state and diapers just provided a convenient way to achieve that mental state.

It's the same reason someone who's into public humiliation might "develop" a fetish for petplay.

>>43346

I also have a very strong AGE REGRESSION fetish along with my abdl fetish, so its like they go hand in hand.

On the one side, if its just mental regression its ok for me because if the body is an adult there nothing "wrong" going on there, even if a woman is engaging in sexual interaction with the baby-minded adult, in essence though, the adult body would still keep its strength so although more ok its doesnt tend to feel helpless enough to make me want to fap to it, there are exceptions though….

http://www.ararchive.com/index.php?option=com_ewriting&Itemid=7&func=storyinfo&story=1392

On the other hand, when it involves body regression while keeping the adult mind intact is way more exciting and arousing for me, because it involves taking away control, power, the achieved status of independent and self-suficient human being, returning to that state when you were at the mercy of your caregiver and it was ok to make mistakes wetting youtself or making a mess while eating and actually you were called cute or adorable for trying or to keep your from crying or getting sad, is the part when I start to get confused if I try to rationalize it. I dont look for a baby pic to fap to, if you make a caption to a picture, adding a story to it, it might "tickle me" in the right places I guess but without that context a picture literally does nothing for me and I'm grateful for that.

At the same time it is weird for me because it still feels like a very pedo situation and what makes it even worse is that and if aaaall of that body regression process, ends up in the subject being regressed in mind against his will to become an actual baby, 'the moment of realization, that struggle, that fear, that sensation of being coated in blisful stupidity, the soft fuzzy feelins in the subjects mind as all his adults memories and knowledge are replaced by baby mush, innocent love, the encouragement of the "forced caregiver" to let go, the re-assurance that everything will be ok, that everything is what it should be, that a baby life is a happier and simpler life, THAT' is what makes me cum buckets.

http://sebtomato.com/

>>43382

Sebtomato is a master at the final "descent." Ive barely visited the archive since I found his site, since 90% of AR stories are shit. Is there any site that curates the well-written stories? or did crybabies declare it pretentious before standards could ever take root?

>>43388

You're welcome, Brent

>>43382

>On the other hand, when it involves body regression while keeping the adult mind intact is way more exciting and arousing for me

Have you ever heard about the story "Rings of Fate"? It goes pretty much in this direction. A infantilist teenager boy switch bodies with his disabled sister, which has the body a baby, although she's 16 years old.

https://fictionmania.tv/stories/readxstory.html?storyID=33739437411548651

Also, pretty interesting your thoughts on the issue.

>even if a woman is engaging in sexual interaction with the baby-minded adult, in essence though, the adult body would still keep its strength

Yeah, there's this issue, personally I like very much of stories in which they blend the laws of physics to make the "adults-adults" way more stronger than the "baby-adults", there's this scene from "A Whole New World" that it's just fantastic:

"Joy came in carrying Danny on her hip. Though he was nearly the same size as her, and looked ridiculous with his long gangly legs wrapped around hers, Joy seemed to have no difficulty carrying him. The teen baby was wearing a yellow terrycloth onesie that left his legs and feet bare. A matching yellow and white Pluto pacifier bobbed back and forth in his mouth. He seemed oblivious to the world, staring with empty eyes up at the ceiling."

ETLE might "fit" for my case:

1. I have always liked diapers (at least as soon as I was out of them during the day), so this did not start during puberty.

2. I have a younger sibling and my mom cared for another baby after I and my sibling were out of diapers, so I might have fantasized about being smaller/a baby myself.

3. I am 99% sure that I tried to maintain an erection every night before going to sleep when I was 3-9 (or later) by thinking about wearing diapers/getting to wear diapers, so there definitely was some sexual imprinting of that idea of wearing a diaper/being put into one.

I did not actively masturbate or achieve orgasm until I was 14 or older, so the fetish can't really come from that. I never got to wear diapers after potty training until I was 15+, which was around the time I found out there were other people.

Nowadays I have a diaper fetish, but I also fantasize about being treated like a diaper-dependent child (and feel comfortable in such situations when they happen IRL).

I might also be a 'little', but haven't had much experience with playing or interacting as one. The sexual attraction to diapers is a hindrance when trying to get close to my emotional ABDL-side, but as I am diapered quite often, I get times where diapers aren't sexually arousing to me and where I can focus on their emotional appeal.

the video while interesting, is contradictory in itself, this dude clearly states that he likes women with penis more than "regular women" and then starts bashing at some random town that legalized furries having sex in a park because they are technically animals, he starts cursing and saying "cultural marxism" over and over… newsflash pal a woman with a penis is a men with a mental sickness whom chooses to pursue and deepen that sickness to the point of no return, endorsed by the state, (((ngo))) , media and all the shilling that goes along with depravity and degeneracy, so yeah, he doesn't seem very trustworthy honestly