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 No.34086>>34093 >>34096 >>36038 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Please link for free download if available

 No.34093

>>34086 (OP)

>diapered… terrorists?

I mean I know this series is fucked up beyond belief but I never thought I'd see the day.


 No.34096>>34103

>>34086 (OP)

Any links to the previous 5?


 No.34103


 No.34118>>34133

also posting to request this

its not on 8muses yet


 No.34130

I too am looking for this


 No.34133>>34134

>>34118

I don't know if anyone is willing to pay the $489.99 for two and a half pages of content


 No.34134

>>34133

sooner or later it will turn up


 No.34136>>34137 >>34140

can someone post pics of the messy diaper scenes? i don't want to download the whole thing.


 No.34137

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>>34136

>we are now in "active threads" on the main page

Keep up the good work, babyfags


 No.34139>>34147

This series always has really cool covers, but every time I read one of the stories I feel like it's just such wasted potential.

I can't tell if the problem is that he started turning the stories over to fans, or if he just can't write for shit anyway.


 No.34140>>34150 >>35045

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>>34136

Kinda disappointing really


 No.34147

>>34139

I feel the same way


 No.34150>>34157

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>>34140

w h y


 No.34154

sketchman with all his bitchy moodswings usually does a better job comic-wise


 No.34157

>>34150

I asked but got no answer, the only good part of this fucking comic was a chick filling her diaper with Oatmeal, that's it.


 No.34175>>34178

Does anyone have these comics?

https://diaperpailarkham.tumblr.com/archive


 No.34178


 No.34189>>34207 >>34813 >>35962 >>35964 >>36346

I purchased it. It's not great, wouldn't recommend. That being said, I don't want to put it available for download until it's had at least a month or two to sell normally. I respect that OK does this, even if I don't always like the results.

The first story is about a cheerleader whose underwear turns into a diaper. That's it. The second story involves a shrinking man and an oatmeal filled diaper. I find micro stuff off-putting, so I didn't like this. The third story involves unbirthing which is also very off-putting. It also has the classic OK "everyone ends up regressed" formula.

So some well-drawn diapers, but unless you like shrinking, unbirthing, or AR, I'd not recommend it.


 No.34191


 No.34207

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>>34189

>The second story involves a shrinking man and an oatmeal filled diaper

D-dick, please stop.

and upload that fucking comic!


 No.34283>>34287 >>34452


 No.34287

>>34283

Right artist, but they have 2 WordPress sites. Here's the one you're looking for.

https://naughtyboycomics.wordpress.com


 No.34450

still no one has a download of this?


 No.34452

>>34283

Those comics are cringeworthy cancer.


 No.34813

>>34189

Please give us a link now


 No.34836

Bump Motherfuckers


 No.34937>>34945

The problem with OK is that he wants highly "unique" and unusual diaper stories so his comics aren't "generic". The problem is that he always caters to the most niche fucking subgroups in the ABDL community. Sometimes generic is good.


 No.34945>>34946 >>34972

>>34937

Well the generic abdl story is

>young protaganoist, male or female

>protag is petite or looks younger than their age

>pees pants or bed

>sister/mommy/nanny figure

>"If you act like a baby I'll treat you like one"

>"But I'm a big kid"

>gets babied

>forced to wear only diaper, or occasionally sissy stuff

>pees

>sometimes poops

Then the story trails off, sometimes leaving a "to be continued." They usually work really hard on the exposition then get lazy and never take it anywhere. Occasionally you'll get humiliation scenes like the big inviting her friends over or taking the little out in public. So I'll give OK some credit for doing things other than this


 No.34946

>>34945

Can I get some stories like that? Maybe one where it just happens that the protag looks younger and is mistaken for a kid a mommy/nanny figure is supposed to look after. Then they're treated like a baby and possibly humiliated.


 No.34972

>>34945

I wouldn't mind if each book had at least one generic abdl story just so it was worth getting, some of these stories he does is just flat out garbo.


 No.34991

My arousal turns into disappointment and disgust right about the time they start shrinking into actual fucking children. Every. Fucking. Time.


 No.35011

Does anybody have it yet?


 No.35023

I'd buy it but have been burned way too many times in the past by that series with misleading covers. I don't mind the age regression stuff but the comics hardly ever include any actual diapering scenes and if they do it's only one image out of the whole thing.

The dialogue and scenarios are usually good but never used to their full potential as far as the humiliation stuff. Like the comic where the boy makes the birthday wish so the sitter would experience the embarrassment that he does completely skips over the changing scene after the transformation in the rest room.

Have the same issue with the Dreamtales stuff. The art work is usually good and I like age regression but those hardly ever include anything diaper related and I don't like it by itself.


 No.35045

>>34140

wtf why!?


 No.35072>>35080 >>35088 >>35110

Back before he was doing Tales from the Crib Keeper as a regular shitshow I really liked this comic he did in 2012. I think it was his first full length ABDL comic.

It was one continuous story instead of 3, all the characters were in diapers, but the premise and scenarios were still good, and I loved the reveal at the end that they were being toyed with by a crazy fetishist ghost.


 No.35080

>>35072

I don't seem to have this one


 No.35088

>>35072

any chance of this comic being put on MEGA for download? it looks like a good comic


 No.35110


 No.35112>>35147

Damnit, that site is a gold mine.

Still, while we're at it and I can't find (I'm bad at searching on these boards) a suitable thread… does anyone have Lemondrop's Night of the Sitter comic?

I've tried looking everywhere for it…

For reference: https://d.facdn.net/art/lmndrp/1393472092/1393472092.lmndrp_notsad.png


 No.35147>>35150

>>35112

Seconding this.

I have Tales 6. Will post if lmndrp stuff gets posted.


 No.35150>>35151 >>35198

>>35147

Do you happen to have any leads as it is no where to be found on Google, and I doubt it would a .onion .


 No.35151>>35198

>>35150

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/lmndrp

You need an account with mature content filter off


 No.35198

>>35151

>>35150

made an account

password: helmi.chate@5.fackme.gq

username:shitman69696


 No.35230>>35319

https://www.8muses.com/comix/album/okayokayokok-comics

Regarding the above link,

I mean what the fuck? Has this guy got a faggot crush on Nicholas Cage?

Those images and other comics are fucked up!

And they bitch about our diaper fetish?

Really, some people are faggot degenerates!


 No.35319

>>35230

Those images show up when the ads on the site are blocked.


 No.35396

Revive Bump


 No.35555

no one's ever going to post it, are they?


 No.35713


 No.35770

please revive this thread bump


 No.35891>>35896

Bump


 No.35896

>>35891

Second this


 No.35954>>35958

Anyone have the puberty fairies stuff?


 No.35958

>>35954

the what


 No.35962

>>34189

hey bud, its been almost a month


 No.35964

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>>34189

Post it you redditing shitlicker


 No.36019>>36025

bumping with diaperbooty


 No.36025>>36074

>>36019

That ain't a diaper


 No.36038

>>34086 (OP)

did anyone ever get a download?


 No.36074

>>36025

I call her big booty, because she has a big booty.


 No.36085

Bump


 No.36238

bump


 No.36323

Day 1 of Bumping

bump


 No.36346>>36352 >>36381

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>>34189

This comic must be a literal case of "It's so bad it's good" since nobody done posted it after a month.

Another diaperbooty for the bawrd


 No.36348

She (the nigger) is one disgusting, big ass black cunt.

Hideous!


 No.36351>>36374

dont actually have it, but if i did, you faggots posting bumb over and over would make it least likely that i would post it


 No.36352

>>36346

You know that bitch don't play tennis.


 No.36374>>36383

>>36351

cool story bro

thanks for the bump


 No.36381

>>36346

No its just not worth it reading the description someone posted above. used to buy the whole series and got letdown too many times so now just wait until it shows up somewhere and am glad I didn't waste whatever the amount is. I went all the way until 4…the cover was the best image and nothing in the comic rivaled it or was like that. that story wasnt even included. its not worth even searching over.


 No.36382>>36392 >>36393 >>36428 >>37060

The first story is about a cheerleader whose underwear turns into a diaper. That's it. - yeah, no

The second story involves a shrinking man and an oatmeal filled diaper. - definite no

The third story involves unbirthing which is also very off-putting. - probably very few actual AR scenes. unbirthing? no again


 No.36383

>>36374

>somebody actually replies to a post not just saying 'bump'

hmm


 No.36391

Has anyone heard of this guy?

I think he's French.

http://abcndjournal.blogspot.co.uk/p/blog-page.html


 No.36392

>>36382

then just post it


 No.36393>>36428 >>36685 >>37368

>>36382

Literally so bad it's good.

Keep stoking the fire.


 No.36428

>>36382

>>36393

I didn't buy it. fuck waisitng $10 on one story that may or may not be worth it (the last one). going by the descrip on here and on the devaintart page for it from people commenting about it. the first story sounds stupid and rushed and the second story sounds awful if your not into that.


 No.36685>>36686 >>36692 >>37368

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>>36393

Literally so bad it's good.


 No.36686

>>36685

I like how the kid on the left seems to just be staring at her as like "WTF?"


 No.36692

>>36685

That booty so fake, not even the worst chinese nockoff phone is worse…


 No.37060

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>>36382

Literally so bad it's good.


 No.37166

Bump


 No.37361>>37375

has enough time passed yet for that one person to feel morally okay with posting it now?


 No.37368

>>36685

>>36393

If you can't naturally have a big ads just let the dream die


 No.37375

>>37361

They probably never even had it and were baiting us


 No.37447>>37456 >>37464 >>37484


 No.37456

>>37447

Wow, that shrinking comic was fucking nothing. No in-diaper shots = trash.


 No.37464

>>37447

thanks anon

sorry you spent money on this shit


 No.37484>>37603

>>37447

if only the assholes that had it earlier would of posted you wouldnt have to waste money

thanks


 No.37529>>37535

This guy, the so-called 'Artist' - Has so much potential, but he gets worse and worse with each piece of work he publishes.

The comic is NOT worth a cold bottle of piss!

If I could draw the way he does, I'll be producing great ABDL work and stories.

It's fucking cringe!


 No.37535

>>37529

donald trump browses 8ch/abdl


 No.37603

>>37484

as a bunch of people said, it wasn't worth buying that's why no one would post it. you get burned everytime and it's not worth it. descriptions said enough about its quality and then the reviews on the deviantart page said it all.


 No.37611

If anyone cares at all, Okay is doing a poll on their deviantart for the next issue, currently inflation/pregnancy is winning, there are like 3 abdl comics on it. Tales 7 is the one with more votes for abdl.


 No.37616>>37635 >>37642 >>37694 >>37703 >>37732 >>42858

The issue with this series is that OK refuses to draw diaper porn without including a bunch of other fetishes.

I don't find AR attractive in the slightest. Nor do I like unbirthing, pregnancy, or inanimate object TF attractive. In fact, they're all active turn-offs. Shrinking also does nothing for me.

All kinds of people are into all kinds of fetishes and I'm not going to judge them, since diapers aren't exactly normal. But OK draws pretty decent diapers in these comics and then fucking ruins them by making the stories revolve around these other fetishes. It's not difficult. Draw diapers in really basic storylines and people will throw money at you.

I dunno. Maybe there's a lot of money to be made with blueberry inflation or whatever it is OK likes.


 No.37635

>>37616

Amen brother.


 No.37642

>>37616

Agreed with everything you've said, if Okay could just return to earlier abdl comics then I'd be happy.


 No.37694

>>37616

I dig AR on top all, but I wouldnt mind having all abdl comics for once without weird unbirth or shrinkng or changing into an actual diaper


 No.37703

>>37616

Agreed. I like age regression and diapers but that's it. The rest can go away…it's too weird for me. Ugh.


 No.37732

>>37616

I like AR

I do think that maybe OK just got bored with vanilla diaper stuff, though. I mean, you can only draw girls using diapers so many times before you go nuts. Even within abdl there are subniches that may either do nothing for someone or be an active turnoff. For instance, some people don't like messing or use in general, some people just like the diapers but not the AB stuff like pacifiers, cribs, etc., and just to use myself as an example, I can't stand babytalk. Going to the opposite end of the spectrum where you don't spice your story with anything other than the diapers themselves has the opposite effect: you end up with Shine where there's nothing more daring than unused diapers and playpens.


 No.38127


 No.42853>>43435

Hey, I actually dropped the Crib Keeper 6 download a while ago and came to see how people were liking it. Glad to see it is available to everyone via 8Muses now as well :)

I was also curious if anybody happens to have the newest comic by Okayokayokok? The Halloween Costume one? Seems to have diaper stuff in it so I wanted to give it a read but I dunno if it is worth it based on the recent track record.


 No.42858

>>37616

I also don't mind the alternative fetishes, My biggest issue with the more recent stories is they're just not that long.

Just looking at Tales 6 the first story is 3 pages, second is 7, last is 6.

Then you look at something older like Haunted House and its 13 + pages.

There's time to extend out scenes and build a better story


 No.43435>>43474 >>43503 >>43810


 No.43474

>>43435

Not him, but thanks fam.


 No.43503>>43504

>>43435

well that was…yeah that was a thing.


 No.43504

>>43503

Ditto


 No.43515>>43519 >>43537 >>43566

Anybody remember Okay's first comics?

Simple, short, told a story, easy to fap to.

That halloween comic?

>Half the comic is exposition that doesn't even matter.

>The dialogue tries way too hard to be both clever and sexy and fails miserably at both

>It takes three or four panels to say what really could be said in just one.

>Comic randomly switches to unbirthing just as it seems to be about to pick up the pace.

>Switches just as randomly back to diapers and pregnancy.

>Camera focuses way too much on facial expressions that are somewhere in between cartoony and realistic and that simply do not work well.

>Shading gives the impression that someone is holding a flashlight up to the character's faces.

Honestly someone needs to tell Okay to just go back to the basics. No one wants to see Diapers/Breastfeeding/Unbirthing/Pregnancy and his drawing has gotten more complicated, not better.


 No.43519

>>43515

Completely agree.

Okay's new comics always have inflation and getting super fat. That seems to be the major focus of their comics now, which is fine on its own, but it's not what I got to them for. I wish they would just go back to either the beginning style without the new crap or stop trying to appeal to both crowds at the same time.


 No.43537>>43549 >>43561 >>43566

>>43515

i think you can even simply say that ok's style is just bad for comics.

his single pieces are decent, but when he needs to churn out a lot of art, he starts cutting corners and it really makes his art look like shit


 No.43549

>>43537

Actually a really good point. I mean there's a reason someone like da-fuze uses the paint bucket tool to color his stuff, even if you don't like it.

Though Okay's one of the few people whose stuff I actually like a lot better colored. Someone like Jamjar or Kobi who doesn't know what they're doing often actually makes it worse.

I'll be honest, I think more planning is what Okay needs, and maybe an actual author to write his dialogue. But of course more planning=less money and assuming that roughly the same number of people who faved the comic bought it, he made over $1000 on an 8 page comic. Granted that isn't a ton of cash for the time he spent making it, but it's hard to argue with that kind of living as an artist.


 No.43561>>43579

>>43537

I'd say blame the audience kind of? It was part of contest and it was one of the stories chosen. Although in some of the polls a lot of the dumb crap gets a lot of votes, while the good stuff is barely voted on.


 No.43566>>43580

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>>43515

>unbirthing

Where can I find this? It seems like the only sensible combination of diapers and vore

>>43537

Also he starts off on surreal fantasies but doesn't see them through.

>exposition

>surrealist gimmick

>diaper scene

>Then it ends.

I'd like his stories to be longer so you can see things go through to their actual conclusion. Rather than just have a girl get diapered and breastfeed, have some bedtime/changing.aytime scenes. It's standard for most ABDL stories but Okay is to lazy to flesh things out. Atelier Lunette does something similar with all of his abandoned arcs. He picks up a gimmick and drops it without giving you enough pages and panels for a solid fap session

Okay has far from the worst artstyle. As much as I like some of Cushypin's comics, the receding foreheads on certain characters is very annoying. It's inconsistent whether he wants a realistic "pseudoanime" western cartoon or a "saturday morning" western cartoon

I think vore artist Karbo (second pic related) is an example of a more well developed gaijin-drawn anime style


 No.43579

>>43561

I wasn't talking about the story, i mean literally his art style just isn't compatible with need to produce a lot of art for a comic in a short time.

Like take a look at this https://twitter.com/dyperdrive/status/897677240988729349 this was supposedly done in 25 minutes, you see how although far from perfect, the simple flat colors and linework create a style thats easy to make a nice looking piece and would be a good style to use in comic, which the artist is more or less doing with his own story. sure that comic does have errors in places, but because of the style they are a lot less noticeable and a lot less jarring


 No.43580>>43605


 No.43605

>>43580

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say gimmicks. In a proper unbirthing scene, there would be vore tropes like a frame-by-frame sequence of the girls getting dragged up here vagina, and also some views of them being lathered in ooze inside the womb. But no, he's just done the bare minimum to include it in his comics. And seeing as the diapers in that story make people think their babies, there should be a scene of the pregnant mom regressing mentally. Instead you just get a dialogue bubble or two. I wish he'd do fewer but longer comics rather than rushing out as many as possible


 No.43810

>>43435

Thanks a bunch! I was the one you were replying to, and I am happy to finally get my hands on it.

Also have to admit…. happy I also didn't spend money on it.

I figure I should put my two cents in due to everyone else doing it; I agree with a lot that is being said. I love Okay's art style, it is leagues above a lot of other artists, and I am totally fine with him doing other fetishes. But the problem, as many of you have pointed out, is when he tries to rush out comics and appeal to everyone.

I feel if he were to take his time, make a decent length comic, and focus on one fetish people would love it, even if it did take longer to come out. I know that we all like diapers here but I can't help but feel other fetishes feel the same way, I bet the people who love inflation hated the fact that diapers were present in Blue Planet.

That all being said I do honestly wish I could support Okay more, I love the dudes work but it is almost like a gamble to spend money on his comics. I will probably go back and buy this when I can but honestly, thanks again ^_^


 No.44247

Hey i had a question does anyone know if the second volume of the space blue berry inflation thing have any diaper content in it?


 No.45786>>45788 >>45789 >>45795 >>45813

hey fellas, here's the new Holloween Crib Keeper (only about a month late)

https://mega.nz/#!xapAwDAT!Cq24pHAbM9XyNVav4RuK_NaaiktZfhh4MC54WL6Vp3s

it's better than the last one, but also frustrating due to missed opportunities with the mom and too many pages on the build up


 No.45788

>>45786

Still, it's a significant improvement. The messy diapers are drawn better(as in not just shaded slightly), the dialogue is passable and the creature looks original and clever.

That being said, the faces are still distractingly bad at times and it's clear he cut corners. The younger sister's overall clips are missing in several panels. And 6/15 pages of intro is far too long in a fetish comic. Realistically you should be spending 1, 2 at most, and even then the younger sister should be flashing her diaper the entire time.


 No.45789

>>45786

Yeah this is pretty good tbh but there should've been a scene where she gets humiliated on the or at school at least.


 No.45795

>>45786

its the best one hes done in a while but the one diapering panel after all that lead up is exactly why I wont buy another comic of his again. the lead up was good and had better writing. but once it got to the big payoff it spends a panel on it when that should be one of the main points. that whole process should be drawn out so the character (sarah) feels the humiliation of being put into that place. there should be multiple panels with wipes, powder, and finally the diapering. there should have been shots of just her shocked face because she is just waking up to this new reality.

instead its rushed through with the character kind of just being confused which doesnt line up with how she behaved in the lead up. it's not a good pay off.

the writing is better again after that but why the moms in diapers too, I dunno. no point to that. The switch to ar is good and I don't think that scene should have been drawn out any further. the switch to mental ar makes sense with the cribs series but I would have rather kept her regular metal capacity and the wish been something else like the sister growing up to be the big sister and out of diapers. still would have kept the horror tone and been a complete role reversal.

almost there. think he should have spent a few more panels on the first payoff. maybe an entire dedicated page to it if the lead up is going to be that long.

thanks for posting though.


 No.45796

the best diapering scene in an okayokay comic is still in the beginning of ick or eat one. its still not great but far closer to what her should aim for and he properly uses the right dialogue throughout the whole scene. tales from the crib keeper 2 had a similar problem as this one. a lot of buildup and then it completely skipped the scene in the bathroom and switched to the character looking at herself in the mirror. at least this one didnt do that.


 No.45813

>>45786

yeah thats better but still, he's not really doing a whole lot with the set up and frankly the way he draws diapers is still garbage


 No.48067>>48249

7 is out


 No.48092

Does anyone have okays Christmas story?


 No.48249

>>48067

I'll upload it later

but be warned; the lion's share of it is literally nothing


 No.48251>>48255 >>48263 >>48266 >>48268 >>48272

Am I the only one who would like his comics a lot more if they didn't involve the adults turning into actual babies?


 No.48255

>>48251

What are you, gay?


 No.48263>>48266

>>48251

I agree, the AR stuff is an immediate turn off for me.


 No.48266>>48272

>>48251

>>48263

I think the consensus is about 50% like physical AR and 50% really don't.

The bigger issue is the comics try to include way too many fetishes and it's obvious where he starts to cut corners with his art.


 No.48268

>>48251

I've noticed that there isn't as much overlap between physical AR and ABDL as you would think. Most ABDLs get off to the idea of adults wearing diapers; the taboo nature of it, etc. The Physical AR people seem to be more about becoming a baby and being forced to relive life or be treated immaturely


 No.48272

>>48251

I totaly agree, and with >>48266 that he tries to fit too many fetishes into each comic.

I don't have anything against the guy, but he isn't an ABDL himself, he just has learned of the various fetish communities on the internet and how to sell to them, and so rather than writing a comic for each specific fetish, he tries to roll them all up together as much as possible in order to maximize profit. I think it's a little greedy but I can't really blame the guy for doing something that works.

The Halloween issue he did before this was pretty good though, and he's done decent ABDL stuff in the past that just focuses on girls in diapers and mental AR, but him trying to roll diapers in with all these other fetishes really bugs me, since I never know how much each of his comics is going to appeal to me specifically until after I buy them.


 No.48287>>48292 >>48299 >>48304 >>48317 >>50166


 No.48292>>48440

>>48287

>Get to page 4

>Oh, okay, I like physical AR and that was actually a pretty decent sequence right there

>Keep reading

>Slowly come to the realization that the rest of the "abdl" comic is preggo with no diapers whatsoever

>Is rather poor quality preggo too

>why.jpg

Thanks for the share, but damn that was disappointing. Doesn't he even understand his audience? I guess he must just keep making money hand over fist.


 No.48299

>>48287

that was easily the worst one of these he's done. A complete shit show


 No.48304

>>48287

what the fuck?

the second story just stops.

not much happens in both stories anyway


 No.48317

>>48287

>disappointment

>AR'd in two seconds and perma bab'd

Honestly, I feel bad for not paying for it.


 No.48332>>48381

Do anyone have the fully Christmas story?


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>>48292

Reminder this is the man behind the art.

Contact him yourself:

http://www.jonrossart.com/index_files/GoF.htm

>> http://www.jonrossart.com/


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>>48287

>mfw I'm into the rest and was pleasantly surprised




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