/a/ - Animu & Mango

>Is Waifu2x cheating?

Considering how well it works I'm pretty sure whoever made it signed some demonic pact.

>>928149

> Demonic Pact

The Waifu2x devs admitted that they can make it even better by adding more neural network layers but "it might get too slow", so really it is just Rick & Morty esque "fuck god" technology (I regret saying this)

what mpv config files are we using these days?

>>928161

I study machine learning as a CS student, and unfortunately the technology felt ungodly. Like... really ungodly.

>>928158

Also questtion: Are the the MPC-HC + MadVR fags still here?

>>928165

It's a regret that has to be said, like a dead son or daughter.

There is a poetic element to this.

>>928144

For those who do not want MPV, and want the bonus of installing system-wide codecs, download K-Lite Mega Codec Pack.

The player is MPC-HC.

>>928163

Didn't development for MPC-HC end? What's the official weeaboo-seal-of-approval project now?

>>928163

>Also questtion: Are the the MPC-HC + MadVR fags still here?

You mean anyone 18+ who has been watching anime for more than a decade? No. These people left the board along with its quality.

>>928171

It didn't end. In fact, it ended and returned.

The project will always be K-Lite.

>>928169

>>928173

So new name?

>>928175

K-Lite Codec Pack is 15 years in constant development and updating.

Mega version is recommended.

https://codecguide.com/

>>928169

Or be cool like me and have both.

Just be careful not to accidentally install the adware shit that is bundled with K-lite installation. Read the menus carefully.

>>928171

From what I understand, development ended, but not updates or support. MPC-HC is still completely fine to use and probably will be for years.

So, Waifu2x just blows up your image? Why would anyone use that?

>>928186

Because you have a thing you want to clean and typeset but the only raws available are very low res.

>>928178

>Just be careful not to accidentally install the adware shit that is bundled with K-lite installation. Read the menus carefully.

There's no such thing, I just installed it.

I double clicked the OP in the catalogue and all I got was this thread instead of the latest episode of My Hero Academia.

>>928207

That's what I used before I found out how much better mpv was than MPC-HC.

>>928211

This /tech/nician gets it. Robidoux is incredible when you see the lack of halo it provides.

I'd add

[/code]

video-sync=display-resample

interpolation=yes

[code]

to get the equivalent of madvr's "smoothmotion".

Don't forget to get hyped for the new version that totally revamps vulkan support.

>>928215

Well, MPC-HC has it already. And LAV, and HW Acceleration, and shell integration, and an actual UI.

>>928198

> Rick and Morty overall had little to no correlation to what you were talking about

But it does. As I said in >>928163 I was trying to use that as a reference point on how unnatural yet predictable it is.

I often watch movies on my home theater system in my TV by connecting my laptop, and when I tested MPV, it didn't had 7.1 or 5.1 passthrough. Worthless.

MPC-HC has the 'same as input' option and work wonders.

Also, _I can actually change the subtitle style_.

I don't know if anything has changed, but MPV is too green.

>>928291

>when I tested MPV, it didn't had 7.1 or 5.1 passthrough

But it does.

https://bigjpg.com/ is neat, in the vein of waifu2x

>lusers not knowing that LAV is just ffmpeg for windblows

Pure gold.

>>928163

> Are the the MPC-HC + MadVR fags still here?

MPC-BE + MadVR is better.

I only use HOW_DID_I_PLAYED_BACK.txt

That's MPC-HC + MadVR and I reinstalled everytime I had to reset my computer and it's workin perfectly fine.

>>928402

You're retarded. There's no fudging in the image, the MPC-HC + madVR is the original look, and the VLC one is demonstrating its grey tinting and inability to reproduce 0-255 or anything 8bit and beyond.

>>928404

I didn't say VLC looked better, I'm just saying that MadVR doesn't look as right as it should either. Maybe it is the original look, I don't know nor care, but in that case it's just the source render that is shit.

>>928402

> Can't see a point in MadVR

It's an extremely powerful tool, but you have to configure it right. It wouldn't make you any good out of the box, though. The most useful feature is neural network upscaling, it makes 480p dvd-rips of older anime a lot more tolerable, and with some hard filtering you can make even shitty VHS-rips filled with noise look less bad. For the modern 1080p bd-rips it almost makes no sense, they are good enough as they are and can hardly be improved, unless it's a particularly shitty rip of an unpopular franchise.

>>928427

> Comparison screenshots from you too would be nice

Comparison between what and what? MadVR and MPV? I made it a year or so ago, and MadVR was obviously superior. MPV-fags started screeching, that if you configure it right, it would be better, so I fear the same thing would happen this time too. You can share your configs with me, if you want a fare comparison.

>>928434

Ultimately it is irrelevant to me since my system doesn't usually handle 1080p even with mpv's XV output. But if you're saying x is better than y, comparison images need to be provided and easy to toggle just because of all the snake oil and outright garbage video filters that exist. That cuts both ways mind for configured mpv vs. MadVR.

>>928163

>Are the the MPC-HC + MadVR fags still here?

Yes, but I had to leave it because linux didn't support those. These days I use mpv and am fine with it.

>>928158

If you want your mpv screenshot filenames to be MPC-HC-like, stick

screenshot-template="%f_snapshot_%p_[%tY.%tm.%td_%tH.%tM.%tS]"

>>928435

>my system doesn't usually handle 1080p

Have you tried --gpu-dumb-mode=yes with the gpu VO?

Straight up general purpose computing inside the GPU is a fucking terrible meme every single GPU ever is terrible at, and this option forces a strictly fixed function pipeline with no compute shaders as god intended.

The downside is that most gpu vo options are silently disabled as most of the fancy stuff mpv does uses compute shaders, but the performance is massively improved.

>>928435

If you have an older PC, do not download anything HEVC/x265 or VP9. Prefer the eternal AVC/x264 and you'll run 1080p just fine if you enable hardware acceleration.

>>928435

Just buy yourself a newer PC. Mine is not that good, just 9700k and RTX 2080, but I never have problems with watching video, even with neural network supersampling.

>>928527

It's not the right time. Wait for Zen 2. I myself will wait for Zen 3 or 4.

>>928488

Doesn't seem to make a difference on or off, unless the option's been removed. Also I do have mpv and quite a few major dependencies built from source with -O3 -march=native and apparently I need to add libx265 to that since I have anime encoded with it.

>>928527

It's not a question of affordability. Anything past a certain point can't be trusted at a hardware level. Also how good is hardware support when it comes to anime on the PC side, because even modern smartphones don't bother supporting 10-bit colour hardware-wise, and most video players there don't even support anything fancier than yuv420p except for mpv. Even VLC is dodgy there.

>>928589

>most video players there don't even support anything fancier than yuv420p except for mpv. Even VLC is dodgy there.

MPC-HC supports RGB-32. YUV is fast but color accuracy suffers tremendously.

This has gotten me curious. Is there a way to pre-render waifu2x and other upscaling algorithms if your PC can't handle it in real-time? Are there encode groups that bother with this?

>>928589

> Also how good is hardware support when it comes to anime on the PC side, because even modern smartphones don't bother supporting 10-bit colour hardware-wise

Everything starting nvidia Pascal cards (gtx 1060 and likes) support 10bit H.265 on hardware level. Older cards like GTX 960, don't support it. And it's a really bad idea to watch anime on smartphone. It's a complete disrespect for a media and creators.

>>928601

>>928603

720 > 480 and 1080

>>928664

You're quite right, anime is produced in 720p, so 480p is downscaled (which actually ends up looking better than it should) and 1080p is meme upscaled.

>>928642

>And it's a really bad idea to watch anime on smartphone. It's a complete disrespect for a media and creators.

Your opinion, my phone has a 6 inches screen and 2K resolution, the PPI is high and image quality is outstanding, better than the PC or TV. Also, the latest Qualcomm processors have hardware acceleration for 10bit HEVC.

>>928673

> anime is produced in 720p

How far do I have to go til anime is Standard Resolution?

>>928608

>Is there a way to pre-render waifu2x and other upscaling algorithms if your PC can't handle it in real-time?

Yes. Except you'll have to whip it up yourself with shell scripts.

You can also give mpv an absurd swapchain depth, It'll eat a lot of ram and be reset every time you seek.

>Are there encode groups that bother with this?

No.

>>928589

If you press shift+I while playing something with mpv you can at least tell if it's a decoder or an output bottleneck. Because with or without the GPU vo you have performance trouble, I think your processor just can't decode h264 in real time.

If it's decoder MPV has a bunch of options for speeding it up (at the expense of compatibility/image quality, also codec dependent):

--vd-lavc-skiploopfilter

--vd-lavc-fast

If you really want to squeeze the most performance out of everything install gentoo so you can compile it all from source, also try using link time optimization on mpv.

You can also compile a kernel with simple ticks (not dynticks, not tickless). This provides a large performance boost because it won't allow your CPU to idle, whereas on other modes linux fights the userspace on whether the CPU should be idling or not, which lowers performance.

And consider this kernel patch: https://github.com/graysky2/kernel_gcc_patch/ . You can pick march=native for the kernel through menuconfig with it.

>>928675

TV channels are either 720p or 1080i. Until TV gets a better transmission technology so that it can transmit at better resolutions, colors and even audio quality, anime will always be 720p.

I'm of the opinion that we should've get rid of TV and Radio frequencies and make the Internet a large uniband for Wi-fi, TV, Radio and Mobile Network. VoLTE is already a thing, goddamit, and so are internet radio and IPTV/streaming services.

Why this crap is still staled is beyond me.

>>928677

I am referring to "old anime" in Standard Definition before the 720p or 1080i shift

>>928673

No, phones are objectively worse. You need big screen to see more details. Plus, frame by frame rewind of great moments isn't even possible in the most of phone video players, and storage space is limited. The only thing phones are better is licking a photos of an anime girl you like, they need less cleaning after that.

>>928673

> 1080p is meme upscaled

You literally can't watch fullscreen 720p video on the screen with bigger resolution without upscaling the video first in real time. And upscaling it beforehand gives opportunity to use better upscaling algorithms, that are impossible in real time, and keeps you PC more cool, so not downloading the biggest resolution available is doing yourself a disservice.

>>928680

1080p takes up a lot more hard drive space. For a barely noticeable difference in upscaling quality, I don't think it's worth it.

>>928680

>>928681

How about pre-cache before playing, so when you are watching the video the system tries to catch up with the upscaling?

>>928681

So what? HDD are cheap, just buy yourself more. You are not a true otaku if you sacrifice a quality of anime viewing.

>>928683

I am also a CS student you know, I would rather use Machine Learning to make anime 1080p mp4/webm/mkv files a history

>>928684

They will never be obsolete. Machine learning never guarantees 100% accuracy.

>>928685

Bitch is that a challenge?

>>928686

It's the definition of Machine Learning. You should repeat a year, if you don't know even that.

>>928680

They just use your tired bilinear. 720p + madVr is a better solution.

>>928687

I know it can't be 100 but 99.999% would be enough for me to tell you to go fuck yourself.

>>928690

99.999% isn't good enough. Even if the single pixel is not the same as creators wanted it to be, it's a betrayal. Tens of people worked hard to bring you an ultimate masterpiece and you changing it with some shitty algorithms. Do think yourself a better anime creator than them?

>>928693

Do we need a turing test for anime super-resolution?

>>928691

720p uses Nearest Neighbor + madVR

1080p uses a hard encoded Bilinear + madVR.

That's why it looks "better". On emulators they do as well. The different lies in the Nearest being sharper only.

>>928699

They both use NGU-sharp very high, though.

>>928716

> trashy A-1 anime

It's a trashy Silver Link anime. I mostly watch it because I liked the web-novel and want to see it animated. Would watch Arifureta this summer and Kumo later for the same reason.

>>928717

That's even worse. SL actually worked on some good anime. I didn't ask why you were watching trash though to be fair. Stop consuming without thinking.

>wanted to see it animated

Christ almighty.

>>928723

> Stop consuming without thinking.

No. Watching every ongoing anime is important for otaku. It gives you bigger base for comparison, helps to discover hidden gems and enhances your taste. Watching every ongoing is almost as important as watching every older anime.

>>928735

Why did you reply twice as to pretend to be a different person? Even your reaction images are tarnished with product placement.

>>928673

>You're quite right, anime is produced in 720p,

That's wrong. There are some anime with 1280x720 as native resolution but most anime are produced in "weird" resolutions between 720 and 1080. Which means that the 720 version is a downscale and the 1080 version an upscale.

Anibin (https://anibin.blogspot.com) is a Japanese blog that checks and posts the native resolutions every season.

The master resolutions for some of this season's anime are:

Sewayaki Kitsune no Senko-san : 1440x810

Nande Koko ni Sensei ga!? : 1552x873

Fairy Gone: 1280x720

BokuBen: 1536x864

Kimetsu no Yaiba: 1520x855 (This is the standard native resolution for Ufotable)

Senryuu Shoujo: 1552x873

Hitoribocchi: 1440x810

Carol and Tuesday: 1280x720

>>928783

>to what end

Selling the prdocut it's advertising me thinks. God Eater ended up looking amazing.

>>928741

You don't get it. A girl having Doritos for a haircut is funny because it references pop culture.

>>928752

It doesn't make a difference, because the 1080p version is upscaled from the downscaled 720p version every time.

The comercial version will always be 720p, be it on TV or Bluray.

>>928849

Simply false. If you can't tell the difference between 1080 and 720 you're blind.

>>928676

It's a vicious catch 22 with Gentoo. On a system like mine where it'd be desirable, it takes too long to compile. To that end I am running Debian but with a few programs built from source -O3 -march=native so that would be mpv, FFmpeg, and the dependencies libx264, libx265, libopus, fdk-aac, libvpx.

Also I don't know what I'm lookng for on that Shift+I thing. I sometimes use I to determine things about the video file but that's it. Also you just prompted me to check watching the video in RAM, instead of on the HDD since it's slower, and also has to go through LUKS. No dice. Ultimately, GM45, and 1.87GHz dual-core is only sufficient for 720p and I really don't need 1080p at 1280x800.

>>928683

Even 2TB is constraining for me, and that's as big of a drive as fits in my laptop. The 4TB ones are fatter.

>>928783

>meme resolutions

So is this actually a thing?

https://blog.n4o.xyz/blog/memeres/

>>928860

>No proofs

Nice.

>>928741

It's a low quality reaction image with outdated memes because your low quality posting doesn't deserve better.

>>928877

Low quality posting doesn't even deserve a reply. Replying with low quality posting on low quality posting you just increase an amount of low quality posting.

>>928752

So, why? Is it really that much harder to just draw shit at 4k raw and downscale it from there? Are they just tech illiterate?

What about movies, what resolution are those done in? Upscales are going to look like shit with cinema.

>>928716

>How would one (me) go about this?

waifu2x has a commandline version for unix systems which can convert a single picture. If you sequentially convert the frames of a video with ffmpeg to a format it can accept, upscale them, and then reassemble them again with ffmpeg, you can appropriate waifu2x for upscaling a video.

Otherwise there's AviSynth.

>>928904

https://github.com/k4yt3x/video2x

>>928900

> Is it really that much harder to just draw shit at 4k

Yes, it's hard. 4k has 9 times bigger area than 720p, so animators would have been forced to draw 9 times more, and there would have been more place for mistakes and QUALITY to happen. It would take a lot longer, because bigger need a lot more details to look good. And a lot of modern drawing software works like shit with 4k, so there is need for more powerful computers and a lot more time to process such video. 4k is meme and almost no one use it for a good reasons.

>>928911

>What's wrong with telling people

Egocentrism. You are not qualified to command other people to change their ways of enjoying their life, nor your advices are required. Your whining just derails the conversation and doesn't serve any positive purpose, so your posts are of poor quality. Even if you can't understand something, it doesn't mean it's wrong or bad, especially when it concerns other people. Every person is different and sees things from the different perspective.

>>928914

I'm not telling anyone to change their ways. Your entire post is based on a false premise.

>stop whining

If you can't attack my argument, feel free to continue attacking me as a person. But know that conversations work with arguments. And there is definitely nothing subjective about having standards.

>>928911

>talks shit about several anime

>when asked to prove his superior taste, conveniently ignores it

>claims samefag on everyone who calls him out on being a faggot

>still doesn't see how his posts could be considered poor quality

>he wrote wordswordswords, so they must be good posts

>>928716

>>928904

>>928906

https://github.com/HomeOfVapourSynthEvolution/VapourSynth-Waifu2x-w2xc

https://github.com/HomeOfVapourSynthEvolution/VapourSynth-Waifu2x-caffe

Fucking lusers.

>>928911

>t. Tryhard retard

>>928909

>4k has 9 times bigger area than 720p, so animators would have been forced to draw 9 times more

You know about the drawing -> filming process, I hope. Doing everything digitally is the problem here.

>>928918

Not that I'm condemning his shitposting but

>Every person is different and sees things from the different perspective.

Holy shit, go back to reddit, you insufferable relativist intellectual.

>>928922

Any repo differences?

>>929071

Check them both out and run diff? Code-wise there's not a lot. Are those repos even related to each other, as in you can pull/push between them?

>>929269

> Potplayer

Boo

> Plex

Then use Shoko Anime with it

>>929269

No, you're just a normal idiot.

>>930064

Upscaling will probably get good enough that they don't have to by that point.

>>930064

> advent of 4K television

It's unlikely to happen. Television popularity is dropping and going to 4k needs a lot of money to enhance bandwidth. Let's say one 4k TV channel needs 40 Mb/c bandwidth, so 100 channels would need 4 Gb/c bandwidth to every household just for TV. Infrastructure can't handle this. TV would sooner die and be replaced by youtube, than go to 4K.

>>930068

>Let's say one 4k TV channel needs 40 Mb/c bandwidth, so 100 channels would need 4 Gb/c bandwidth to every household just for TV. Infrastructure can't handle this.

<what is Nipponese fibre infrastructure

<what is AV1

<implying every TV channel will adopt 4K right away

<implying 4K "TV" won't be entirely IP-based

Sadly NN scalers will probably take over at that point and NN inbetween animation too considering how Anime Studios seem to be running out of animators.

>>930067

What the fuck is upscaling? I keep seeing people say "upscale" as if it's a good thing all over the world. As if stretching an image 4x over will suddenly change anything, other than just being a lower resolution image. Upscaling.

>>930072

Yeah, I was talking about IPTV. It basically transmits every channel at the same time, and you choose, which one to recieve. As far as I can find, Japanese infrastructure is overloaded and can poorly handle even the modern data streams.

>>930078

> I keep seeing people say "upscale" as if it's a good thing

It isn't really a good thing. However, it's almost unavoidable. In the ideal world, you would get the same video resolution, as your display has, but the world isn't ideal. If you watch old 480p dvd-rip using 1080p display, you either watch watch it in the window, or upscale it to your display resolution. Your video-player does it in real time. Modern upscaling technics are becoming better and better, so you can get a decent image quality even with inferior source.

>>930068

This. In my country people still have to pay for 1080p instead of 720p channels.

>>930064

>I hope the advent of 4K television will make anime so costly that animators already making literal slave wages make negative income just so studios can cover the price of cels and film

<saves money

You're kind of retarded aren't you? And 4K will never become the resolution to animate at. We might see anime mastered in 4k down the line (as in drawn in a lower resolution, but the final output is upscaled to 4k), but not as the standard animated res. Learn how the industry works before saying dumb shit.

>>930078

Depending on the type of scaling used, upscaling can work. This is especially true if you're upscaling from HD (720/1080p) to UHD (4K), which can look a lot better than say upscaling from SD (480/576p) to HD, which usually tends to look like shit.

>>930087

>In my country people still have to pay for 1080i instead of 720p channels.

Fixed. Outside of some pay per view and sports events in the US and Japan, there are no 1080p channels anywhere.

>>930078

>>930084

>>930115

Yeah the technical term is "super-resolution" and it involves a lot of Machine Learning to get optimized.

>>930118

> it involves a lot of Machine Learning

Not necessary. It's done without machine learning more often than with it.

>>930119

Traditional Upscaling and "Content-aware Upscaling" are very different as one is more noticeable than the other

>>930120

It depends on the source. As a person who wrote a Master's Degree on topic of image processing, I can say that in some cases machine learning behaves worse than linear interpolation algorithms.

Machine learning is unintellectual and lazy. Besides, the results are more often than not crap if you're not dealing with simplistic raw numbers in a sheet, but with graphics or movement.

>>930143

Not one of the anons you're replying to.

Neural network based upscaling isn't upscaling at all. It creates a new image based on the old data.

You can't make an image contain more data than it already has by upscaling. Where is that data supposed to come from?

I the case of Neural network based upscaling a neural network gets trained with sample data. When used it simply compares and adjust things to textures from the sample data.

I think you'd get a different image if you downscaled it again.

And Waifu2x denoise shits over all little details nearly just as much as over the artifacts.

>>930149

> Neural network based upscaling isn't upscaling at all. It creates a new image based on the old data

They call it "Super-resolution"

> You can't make an image contain more data than it already has by upscaling. Where is that data supposed to come from?

In a sense it guesses how it should look given the entropy provided. There is no increase of entropy

Some have already suggested using NN as a type of dictionary-esque lossy compression algorithm but I don't think it is practical

> I the case of Neural network based upscaling a neural network gets trained with sample data. When used it simply compares and adjust things to textures from the sample data

Which is why anime/manga image data is used for Waifu2x, and other Super-resolution tasks uses different datasets

> I think you'd get a different image if you downscaled it again

I will be very close to the original downscale though

> And Waifu2x denoise shits over all little details nearly just as much as over the artifacts

That happens due to the fact that you have to train it to know what is a detail and what is an artifact (in upscale-only mode)

>>930143

> In what cases that would that be true?

When image has a lot of noise and artefacts, what isn't that uncommon in older video. Neural Networks tend to make noise and artefacts sharper and more visible in comparison to linear interpolation.

>>930156

So Linear for SD to 720p, NN for 720p to 1080p/4K, or 1080p to 4K?

>>930149

>You can't make an image contain more data than it already has by upscaling. Where is that data supposed to come from?

Some of the data is provided by the algorithm itself in the form of constraints on what it expects the final image to look like.

Take the recent imaging of a black hole's event horizon for instance. The measurements they started with were equivalent to a very low resolution image with huge gaps in fourier space. There were an infinite number of possible high-resolution images which matched their measurements, but most of those were just random noise. They knew roughly what they were looking for (some arrangement of bright blobs on a dark background), so they were able to massively reduce the search space and generate a series of likely images.

Similarly, waifu2x knows that the real image is probably made up from a number of relatively flat color regions bordered by lines, plus a few shadows and highlights.

It's a bit like how you can beat the diffraction limit in an optical system if you know that you're looking at a point-source (or several point sources).

>>930157

Yeah, but you may want to experiment with bicubic, bilinear and Jinc for SD, depending on how shitty the video is. There is no silver bullet, sadly, and each video needs player to be specificlly configured. If you are not as autistic as I am, just leave it at Jinc for SD.

>>930165

So Jinc is the best option when non-autistic?

>>930386

>gtx 780

>i7-4770k

It would be hard to find something weaker than that in 2019.

>>930386

Linux config vs windows config?

>>930391

Any ideas on a better config?

>>930391

>he doesn't watch anime on a Radeon X1950+Athlon 64 rig from 2006 running NetBSD

>>930775

Temperature. Upgrade to a newer Zen in the future.

>>930775

Did you increase voltage sufficiently? My Phenom II X4 965 used to run perfectly well at 3.8 GHz, 1.4V until it burned to crisps 2 years ago. Though, I must say that this CPU is extremely trashy and even core i3 8100 is better. You should conceder an upgrade.

any good torrent clients?

>>932748

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/List_of_recommended_Windows_software#BitTorrent_clients

Deluge with optimized settings is my personal favorite.

>>932748

qBittorrent

>>932748

I use deluge on linux. I'm seeding over 300 torrents and it's only using 150 MB of memory, so it's pretty efficient. It can be remote controlled so it works well on headless servers too.

>>932764

It has shitty GUI and works like shit on Windows, though. qBittorrent is a way to go, if you use good OS.

White men use Transmission while waiting for Synapse to mature.

>>932770

>>932764

>>932856

what about a torrent client that can handle symlinks? (because right now I am trying to write a script to connect torrents with Hydrus)

(Hydrus imports a file to the system into a flat folder, the previous torrenting folder will need to be symlinks for easy connection and access)

>>933243

If you're on a good OS then symlinks should work relatively seamlessly.

There's a deluge plugin which lets you run an arbitrary command when a torrent completes. You could use that to automatically move the file to your Hydrus folder and leave a symlink in its place.

>>933244

link please to the plugin. Also which OS is good?

>>933838

>Also which OS is good?

Gentoo or NetBSD

>>934472

> Gentoo

Is this a meme?

> NetBSD

Okay, a copmparison between this and FreeBSD? (except the SJW crowd thx)

>>936231

Since at the end of the day they're all unix systems and behave roughly the same, yes this is true even for *BSDs, I'm going to describe mainly the things distros tend to differ in. You can install your DE of choice and get the exact same UI in either, the differences from an user point of view are slightly differing /dev/ facilities and coreutils, and the proccess of installing new software or updating the system. It's really not much.

Gentoo is the best linux distro there is, because of source based package management, their packaging policy, and the fact that you can and should avoid the poz and custom tailor the software you run (with USEFLAGS).

Its support for custom repositories is simpler than Ubuntu. The performance is better than any other distro (simply because you can do -march=native on your CFLAGS). No other distribution supports as many CPU architectures as it.

I'm going to say it's minimalist but in a way that actually makes sense, in that you can make the software you compile minimalist with USEFLAGS, I've seen faggots claim "minimalism" because not much comes installed by default, as if you can't uninstall all of it quite easily in nearly any package manager and distro, but here in gentoo you have actual minimalism.

They support basically every choice, there is no other distro that supports both systemd and an alternative init system for instance. Debian, as an example, technically has inits other than systemd in their repos, but if you install one of them, good luck because most packages hard depend on systemd being both installed and the init system currently in use, effectively blocking you.

You can go bleeding edge with gentoo unstable, or stick to stables with gentoo stable, or go batshit insane and install the latest git head build of everything

Be aware that can doesn't mean have though, if you want to you can abstain from features, and there are things such as gentoo reference systems which handle most gentoo features for you. ( https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng_GRS https://releases.freeharbor.net/ )

NetBSD I'd actually wait until at least ZFS support lands on a stable, once it has ZFS it'll have the best filesystem currently out. Otherwise, it's a lightweight OS with poor hardware support but the best cpu architecture support.

I personally consider it source-based, technically as with other BSDs (minus FreeBSD, their new package manager borked source based management) it has both source and binary package management, but you will find the NetBSD binary repositories are heavily incomplete. For instance, there is no binary Firefox on NetBSD. So you're better off with the ports system (you can mix and match binaries and source packages no problem) for the missing packages or all of them, and you can also touch up CFLAGS.

They don't actually give you much choice, there is no eselect module to pick alternatives like gentoo, components are not user swappable but very easily swapped by a developer, however the decisions they make are reasonable.

You update the core of NetBSD by downloading an installation image that is released once a year and telling it to install the core software sets you use, other than that the packages you installed with the package manager or ports system are updated with the package manager/ports system.

Kernel is not linux obviously, libc is theirs, most software on /bin/ is also theirs, and its code quality tends to be much better than GNU/Linux/whatever else is added onto it.

FreeBSD's issue is that it performs worse than linux, is less featureful or secure than linux and has the smaller userbase of BSDs. It's just a worse OS all around. If you'd use FreeBSD, you're better off on Linux for all purposes. Well, all purposes minus making use of their permission-to-cuck license also present in other BSDs as a big corporation that will make millions off of it and not give anything back.

It used to be better in some aspects, but exactly the SJW crowd killed it. It used to be that FreeBSD had better networking performance, that is long gone. It used to be that FreeBSD consumed less memory, that is long gone. I never bought that BSDs were in general more secure than Linux, because despite their general better practices, specially OpenBSD, none of them has a hundreth of the eyes and constant fixing on them, but if any security was there, now it is gone, with ridiculous bugs such as pressing backspace 1000 times making you log into someone's user account which even made it to MacOS being not uncommon.

>>933838

https://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Plugins/Execute

I think it comes installed by default.

>>934472

>>938112

So this is just a minimalism preference? I get it /tech/ but what about the others? Check the distros in the article below

https://thishosting.rocks/best-linux-distros-beginners/

https://fossbytes.com/best-linux-distro-beginners/

>>938114

Wait, so Deluge can handle symlinks?

>>938779

Well, there's beginner stuff, but avoid GNOME and KDE like the plague it is. Try Devuan, Artix or Calculate for a distro that won't you get bullied on /tech/ that's still babby friendly (graphical installer with DE out of the box).

>>938797

What if my software uses WxPython, how would that work?

>>938779

>Wait, so Deluge can handle symlinks?

From a very brief bit of testing in Python it seems that symlinks on linux are totally transparent. I can't think of any reason why Deluge wouldn't be able to handle them.

I don't know about Windows symlinks though.

>>928169

K-shit Mega Pack is fucking trash. Use LAV instead.

>>940947

NTFS technically has symbolic links but they aren't nearly as ingrained as in Linux since that was a feature dating back to the fucking Berkeley File System. Symlinks are something I make a lot of use of for say, having a torrent folder where I download things to, but I can also have them linked in my video folder. Similarly ~/tmp is linked to /tmp/username as a place I download things to since it doesn't persist across power cycles. It means I don't have stale clutter like extracted files taking space on my main /home directory.

That said there have been stupid bugs in Linux related to symlinks. Nautilus at one point was recursively deleting into symlinked folders instead of deleting just the symlink leading into it.

>>941010

K-Lite Mega Codec Pack is LAV.

>>941018

> stupid bugs in Linux related to symlinks

That explains everything

If you don't use RSS then you are subhuman.

>>943315

No. If you watch anime or read manga online - you are subhuman. Everything else is just the question of taste.

>>943358

No, it optional. It's only good for ongoings and not everyone watches modern anime. Some people prefer stuff from 70s or watch only some rare genres that almost never get releases.

>>943289

I didn't mean Linux Linux. This was specifically with Nautilus.

>>944389

So basically DE level?

>>944756

Not even that. Application-specific. I use the LXDE file manager on Xfce.

Any good software for sadpanda?

So what is the best player in terms of quality, efficiency, and usability?

Where can I learn more about codecs or why some resolutions are "meme" resolutions? This is all gibberish to me.

>>946308

MPC-HC is the go-to player.

>>946309

You don't need to know a lot about codecs unless you're encoding shit yourself, and even then you only need to know which is the general go-to codec, which you'll find by everyone always talking about it. I don't know what "meme" resolution is, but I'd assume it's about upscale 1080p. Most anime are produced in a lower resolution than 1080p, so depending on just how much lower it was, encoding, downloading and watching in 1080p might be pointless. But this is really specific to every single anime and the sources available. Like recently, CR started the trend of releasing some anime with dogshit quality, those with 120-200MB filesizes in 720p, in those cases it's better to grab the 1080p just because they tend to be less pixelated shit, regardless of what the source is. JK is like that this season. Meanwhile Kanata no Astra is released with 600MB at 720p, and is evidently produced in a fairly low resolution, so the 1080p at 1.2GB is just a waste of space, it's not worth getting over 720p.

Filesize does not necessarily correlate with quality, also depends on codecs used and how easy it is to compress the source video (many stills frames, many solid color surfaces and such yield lower filesize when compressed), but in the case of CR there are two distinct levels of quality with many shows having similar filesizes and similarly garbage pixelation.

>>946308

mpv is solid but possibly too minimal for your liking, though there are frontends. Be aware that you want one compiled against FFmpeg, not libav. That's got problems.

>>946339

I thought 1080p was the bad idea with CR because they often bit starve it worse. BakaBT's stance is 480p only when it comes to CR rips. Personally I'd define meme resolutions as anything over 1080p, and in the case of streaming, anything over 720p, but as you say in some cases even lower can be appropriate depending on the master source. WIth streaming specifically though, A: they usually have to target lowest common denominator decoder features, and so can't use things like 10-bit colour or more advanced codecs like HEVC and VP9. B: High bitrates cannot be sustained or you risk buffering delays.

>>946308

I don't think it matters too much, even VLC gets decent playback nowadays.

MPC-BE is largely an improvement over MPC-HC with some nice QOL usability features and active updates. It's endgame for me, I don't see reasons to switch. MPC-HC is still totally fine.

MPV is kind of a pain in the ass to use on Windows and pretty barebones, or all of its features are in some bumfuck documentation no one wants to read. It's fast though, I'll give them that. It's kind of a ricer's program, like using Arch Linux and no desktop environment.

>>946308

mpv works great on linux. It has a basic but functional GUI if you can't be bothered to learn the keyboard shortcuts. The scripting interface is pretty powerful too, and the playback quality is good enough that I never notice any artifacts.

>>946308

MPC-HC for Windows. Install it via K-Lite Mega Codec Pack.

MPV for any GNU/Linux.

>>946367

VLC is still crapware.

>>946308

MX Player for Android. There are APKs for the Pro version out there.

>>946380

I just use mpv through F-Droid on the phone. Yes it exists, and it even supports all the exotic stuff regular mpv does, its main issue is that sometimes it selects hardware decoding by mistake but you can toggle it.

>>946323

The feels you asshole, what about EH?

>>946699

Does it support madVR?

>>946661

Hardware decoding does wonders for battery and performance. It should be used every time when available.

>>946661

MX Player is better than MPV on Android.

Just like MPC-HC is better than MPV on Windows.

Anyone who downloads both will immediately see an abysmal difference in features and performance.

>>946706

>smplayer is a graphical interface for mplayer and mpv

Nah. It's a mpv player for dumbs and lazy ones.

>>946732

I don't really thing it's stupidity to want to have your software be easier and more comfortable to use. I think fucking around in config files and reading documentation and Github issues instead of just clicking a few times in the options is real stupidity.

>>946732

But madVR has the best quality and easy to use. Why would you need anything but madVR?

>>946732

MPV is an unnecessary hassle. It's not for the lazy, neither the dumb, but MPV certainly is for the poser.

People probably like it because it's kinda pretty, and use the autism to operate it to hide this fact. This can be the only reason, as MPV isn't better than anything the competition has to offer, and being better than VLC is just the lowest bar.

>>946746

This

>>946768

Also this

>>946773

> People probably like it because it's kinda pretty

> being better than VLC is just the lowest bar

Which is why MPV is the BASIC Win/Linux compatible solution

>>946776

Free of any taste, maybe.

Imagine being so technologically incompetent that you can't figure out how to use software as simple as mpv.

Imagine being so technologically incompetent that you can't figure out how to use software as simple as MPC-HC and madVR.

>>946339

> it's not worth getting over 720p.

Yes, it is.

Let me explain the international encoding fuckery that is destroying your anime.

1. Almost all anime line art and rarely some backgrounds are still handrawn and then scanned. From the late 2000s to the early 2010s this was done often in 1200x720. Currently, it is primarily done in fucked up resolutions between 720p and 1080p. For example J.C. Staff likes 1600x900.

2. CGI, credits and some text are almost always 1080p. Meaning the CGI and the 2D are often mastered in different resolutions.

3. Now the studio creates the file for the broadcasters. Nipponese HD TV standard is 1080i (1440x1080) which on playback is upsampled to 1080p. A 720p signal isn't even suported, every 720p TV anime is 1080i -> 1080p ->720p.

4. CR receives the same HDCAM raw that Japanese TV stations get. So it's 1080i --> horrible CR encode --> 1080p --> horrible CR encode --> 720p.

1080p CR has always been better than 720p CR. The original 720p vs 1080p CR debate was about 720p > 1080p at the same bitrate. And was started by fansubbers who wanted CR to provide higher bitrate 720p streams instead of 1080p streams. Since anime lineart art that point in time was scanned in 1200x720, you wouldn't mess up the line art by going with 720p. And 720p >> 1080p at the CR 1080p bitrate, which is too low for decent 1080p.

The CR 720p > 1080p myth is slowly dying, because some people were checking the old discussion and archives. Anons just dropped the "at the same bitrate" after a while. CR 720p has always been worse than their 1080p.

Another thing that really helped the myth of CR 720p > 1080p is that CR had lower bit rate streams for people with bad internet connections. HS only ripped these streams, this was really bad for the 1080p stream.

It is 1080p for any post 2016 anime.

It is always 1080p for CR. (exception HS rips before summer 2018)

It is Erai >>>> HS for any CR-rip released before summer 2018.

It is 720p for some fansubs which use Japanese TV 720 raws.

It is 720p for older BD releases.

If you're really autistic about line art, you can encode CR1080p to the anibin resolutions.

>>948050

You have been doing it yourself, retard, when you were watching horriblesubs are erairaws. How will you amend your crimes?

>>948050

I really hope that this is sarcasm. HS and Erai are mostly CR rips.

>>948054

I am not >>948052, but greentext is for quoting. Nobody besides you has been talking about streaming. And refering to CR rips as CR is quite common.

>. Plus in the case of Erai, they've been known to fix the more blatant fuckups on the part of CR.

What you are calling CR fuckups are in reality HS fuckups. Their bot has an issue with the CR typesetting.

What would happen to wider raw and sub production should CR be rendered inoperable by a Kyoani style arson attack?

>>947950

Imagine being so technologically incompetent you can't figure out how to use software as simple as RealPlayer and DivX.