/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>855668

If Ainz had meat on his bones had be swole as fuck.

>>855671

>ainz is the king of hungry skeletons

>>855668

How do those pants work?

>>855668

In the web novel she turned her into a vampire and then they collected the twins and made them vampires so they could have a giant, incestuous, necrotic orgy.

>>855675

That's a lot better than this version we got.

Would Ainz have acted differently if they weren't all in just for the money? There has to be a reason why he asked that as Momon.

Will Ainz and his monsters be destroyed for their crimes? And I mean in a horrible humilliating way.

>>855680

>DOUSHIO????

>>855682

>Ainz-sama upon witnessing Shallchair's harem of forbidden love

>>855683

Forbidden by whom?

>>855673

Fear.

>>855673

>pants

It's not uncommon to mistake shadow demon groupies for a pair of pants and boots.

>>855677

Isn't that why he put all that treasure near the entrance? He literally gave them all money and they all proved too stupid to live.

>>855688

>Ainz-sama IS justice.

3DPD are not, though.

>looks like we won't be getting a dancing skeleton

>looks like we won't be getting a chair orgy

The twisted man known as editor-sama strikes again. kina bery disappointing desu, hopefully SPLAT will save an otherwise lacklustre season.

>>855696

Wow ok that makes perfect sense now. Thought he was doing it to show off.

>>855705

But why did they kill the old man who was backing out?

>>855708

He wasn't backing out, he was just had a hunch that exploring the main tomb would take more than a day, and that the other teams would be too busy with reckon to be able to pick up the most valuable stuff right away.

>>855708

Someone needed a new pair of loafers, I presume.

>>855668

>>855671

Who needs biceps when you can have boneceps.

>>855677

It's fun watching anons have the same exact discussions we had during the LN.

>>855696

Exactly. Can't blame Ainz that the new world inhabitants can't trick or treat properly.

It felt to me like Ainz beat around the bush a little bit much this episode. Somehow, I didn't feel any building of tension through the episode, probably because it seemed pretty clear from the start what was going to be happening in the end.

>>855722

During the LN it wasn't very clear since anons had hint dropped both real information and completely false information from the WN, but the LN had taken a wildly different approach. Unfortunately the anime kind of ruins the atmosphere of this episode from what I skimmed.

>>855728

Even a cute boy is still a trap, anon.

>>855723

Neia is best New-Worlder, CZ is best in Nazarick.

>>855728

>Mare-fags

Literally.

I do like traps but Mare is a little boring.

>>855728

Mare is a good boy, as is Demiurge.

Do you hear it /a/? That's the sound of all the secondaries finally realizing that Ainz is the bad guy at once.

I felt YOU SHITS was well-executed, I thought for sure they'd fuck it up. I also really liked how they presented his quick mood change when the suppression kicked in.

>>855745

That comes later. They can rationalize that he gave them chances to escape or justify themselves but their greed and lies forced his hand.

It will become harder for them to deny once he persuades Chiyo from Ane Naru Mono to lend him Her children.

>>855745

I’ve noticed a lot of them flipping out as well

>AINZ IS TOO CRUEL

>WHY IS HE TORTURING THEM

>REEE HE KILLED THE CUTE GIRL AND HER FAMILY CAN’T PAY HER DEBT

I don’t understand how someone can watch two and a half seasons of this and not realize Ainz is literally an evil skeleton overlord. I thought half the appeal of this show was Ainz crushing humans like bugs?

>drowning_puppies.anime

I've seen some people saying in the LN the sisters get sold into slavery and die from overwork, but I don't remember reading that. Anyone have a source for it?

I wonder why they cut out the defeat of Imina and Roberdyck, given that Ainz's lecture on the importance of time-stop countermeasures comes up again later.

>>855757

That does sound familiar.

>>855749

I always thought Ainz was the bad guy from the beginning. I feel like people wanted Ainz to be some sort of superhero who watched over the land because of that one part in the beginning when he helped out the town.

IF YOU WANT EXPLANATION READ THE LN PEOPLE

>>855708

They wanted to see how well the old guarders would fair chasing people down, but much to their disappoint the old guy's group decided to stand their ground instead.

>>855724

So which version is the best, The WN or the LN?

I thought the whole point was to let just a few of the thieves escape to tell others about how horrifying it was, and in the beginning it was even worded that way, "don't let anyone escape unharmed", but then they just massacred everyone. Why did Ainz engage these 4 in particular? Why dress up and make a big event out of it when it was obvious it'd be way, way low level people attacking that even the hamster could've 1v4'd easily? They were testing the guardians anyway, so why would Ainz possibly participate if it's not just for show for the outside world?

>>855779

Why did he wear the collar?

>>855749

I'm most of the way through the current LN volume with Neia (>>855723) in it, and I still don't think it's reasonable to say that the skeleton man is the bad guy, or a villain. He can look like one to people who don't know the whole story, or the unfortunate victims of some of the things he does, but that's not even remotely the same.

Starting the discussion by calling him Ainz is a systematic error in thought, to start off with. This story explicitly deals with layers of identity.

>There's a dude

>He has no other ties or interests in the world other than this game

>He uses an avatar in this game

>Makes a guild with his buddies

>The guild gets a reputation, and gets an established base

>Boom! Sent to the new world

>Trapped in his avatar, Momonga.

>The AI servants are real, with personalities and everything

>He has to keep up the act of being a super-impressive godly being for them

>He changes his name to "Ainz Ool Gown" to represent that he's taking on the additional mask of being the last representative of the guild

>He starts up another identity as Momon the adventurer so he can explore the world, and spend time not being worshipped as a god

>His skeleton body is affecting his mind in several ways like making him feel even more disconnected from people, and by forcibly calming him down whenever he gets emotional

>He later has to build up and maintain a more public persona once he reveals himself to the world in all his calcium-enriched glory

It couldn't be any more obvious to me that the conflicts between the layers of identity was a huge chunk of the story if you had a huge neon sign emphasizing that. I don't understand why no-one else mentions this.

Also, there's the fact that he has to try to keep a handle on his actually-evil minions, since they're willing to do evil things without his knowledge or permission if they believe it's for his benefit.

>>855757

>the sisters get sold into slavery and die from overwork

Are you talking about the worker girl's sisters at the house of the disgraced noble family? If so, it doesn't ring a bell for me. Maybe it was in the WN.

>>855779

>I thought the whole point was to let just a few of the thieves escape to tell others about how horrifying it was

To the people going in, it was a black ops mission. To the person who organized the mission, it was a way to probe and test this new person who appeared in the world while having plausible deniability. To the original orchestrator of the plan, it was a way to test how the cheapest version of Nazarik's passive defences would fair against an assault by special ops teams of strong-ish adventurer teams.

Ainz fought against them in person because he was literally just fucking around. He wanted to see how his practice was going, since he probably spent most of his time as Momon fighting against monsters rather than people. He didn't want to get into the bad habit of brute forcing his way through fights by abusing his high level stats. Monsters don't use tactics or techniques. They use their strength and speed. Ainz wanted to test his swordsmanship abilities.

>>855782

The collar reduces your stats by a bit, in exchange for increasing your experience gain. It goes back to the practicing swordsmanship thing.

>>855779

>I thought the whole point was to let just a few of the thieves escape to tell others about how horrifying it was

This was never the whole point. The whole point was to conduct an experiment to probe Nazarick's defenses for assessment of effectiveness of non-expense monster spawns, and to implicate the Empire by baiting these Worker here in the first place when they visited Flunder in the Capital as Momon and Nabe, as Ainz told Demiurge he needed casus belli to start expanding the power of Nazarick to the outside world at the conclusion of the last arc.

>and in the beginning it was even worded that way, "don't let anyone escape unharmed", but then they just massacred everyone.

I guess you missed the gigantic death flag two episodes ago where Momon menacingly asked them why they were here, and when they said they were just in it for the money, if they had been given sufficient compensation to risk their lives.

Or, the episode before this one where he is speaking as Momon to the Adventurers guarding the camp and said,

>They’re all gone. They might be Workers, but we did break bread with them, and they’re our comrades for this job. I hope they’ll come back safely… what do you think, Momon-san?

>—That they’re all going to die.

>Pause

>Er, no, what I meant was that we should be mentally prepared for that outcome. These are previously undiscovered, and there’s no telling what dangers are waiting for them inside. Being too optimistic is harmful.

>Why did Ainz engage these 4 in particular? Why dress up and make a big event out of it when it was obvious it'd be way, way low level people attacking that even the hamster could've 1v4'd easily? They were testing the guardians anyway, so why would Ainz possibly participate if it's not just for show for the outside world?

In the LN when Ainz is distributing who goes where, he says that these four aren't suitable for testing when discussing the pros and cons of who to send to what defenses.

Since he didn't consider them useful for trap or room specific testing, Ainz is just using them to take his anger out on for people invading Nazarick. He also wanted to see how his swordsmanship is coming along, which he doesn't normally get to do against monsters. He is just playing with them since he doesn't value their lives as intruders.

I was really disappointed that they cut out part of the discussion between the worker and Shaltear. Specifically, the part where Shaltear honestly talks to a new world citizen about how she sees Ainz.

She says that not even the Floor Guardians know, or can imagine, how the supreme beings were able to construct Nazarick. They don't even really understand how Nazarick functions. They literally see them as being higher than the gods.

I always thought of this conversation as being really important because it approached the subject of how the NPCs see things from a new perspective. Not from a "I'm only talking to you a little bit because I've been ordered to" perspective like other times, but in a "This is an overwhelming situation for me too. We're both feeling similar senses of wonder at this situation, once you get down to it." sense.

It humanizes the guardians, and further isolates Ainz.

I also wanted to see the old guy worker challenge Momon to a fight to test his skills. He gets Momon to agree to use a spear or staff instead of the swords he's used to. It's important for a few reasons, but it's not something that plays to the most central core themes like the Shaltear conversation.

>The collar reduces your stats by a bit, in exchange for increasing your experience gain. It goes back to the practicing swordsmanship thing.

Which also includes why he was bare-bones and not wearing any other gear.

>>855665

Ainz IS the vermin

So they finally did this part of the novel? Time to pick it up. How was the shoggoth scene?

>>855803

Next arc

>>855705

Gloating is a thing.

>>855767

I was hoping to see more of ainz being a brutal cunt to other brutal cunts while conquering the land and subjugating the peoples. But I'm in too deep and along for the ride now.

>>855796

>>855792

>another episode where nothing happens

>when all this interesting shit could've happened instead

What's better to start with, LN or WN?

>The anime still randomly includes CGI shit for scenes that require a little effort

Fuck that sucks.

>>855757

I think the author mentioned it on his website or twitter.

>>855671

even without meat on his bones he's pretty fucking swole for a god damned skeleton.

>>855757

>and the LN fags continue to spoil the anime

>>855869

Get fucked secondary

>>855759

Probably saving it for the fight with Gazef.

>>855745

Ainz is bad... isn't that part of the fun of this show?

>>855757

this >>855675 it should be the same

>>855757

>I've seen some people saying in the LN the sisters get sold into slavery and die from overwork, but I don't remember reading that. Anyone have a source for it?

In the WN Arche is kept alive unharmed and turned into a plaything for Shalltear.

Latter on, since she's a noble, she teaches Ainz formal aristocratic dancing, Ainz as a reward buys back her sisters that her parents have sold to pay their debts and they get to live in the forest floor hamlet with the elves, the dryads and the various friendly straights of Nazarick.

Now of course since in the LN most of PG-18 has been cut and Arche just died, well it stand to reason her sisters will just die as slaves.

>>855901

I've been put off from reading any jap light novels, until I learn nip. The translations aren't good and it's awkward as fuck, I get tired from reading "such a [name] was something or other".

>>855869

One can't spoil an anime when the anime skips massive character-building dialogues due to time constraints and boardroom faggotry.

Who's Entoma's new voice? Also anyone reading How to Build a Dungeon?

>>855911

Stole the voice of the mage girl from vol 7/the last arc.

>>855918

>>855915

B-but who will protect her lolis?

>>855917

And now I have something else to read. Thank you, anon.

why are they wearing steel collars around the neck?

>>855925

Its an item that raises exp. Ainz wants to see if others, himself included can learn new skills or break level caps, that and martial arts skills are something new he doesn't understand. It also fits his collector habit and having the greatest known knowledge of spells and abilities from the game.

>>855925

This has been answered multiple times in this thread now.

>>855920

Don't worry anon, I'm sure the slave driver will take good care of his two new lolis.

>>855954

>They didn't show her turn into a leech

gay.

>>855825

>Gloating is a thing.

Not for Ainz. He tends to approach problems without any extraneous bullshit.

When in conflict, and he sees he's winning easily, he either quickly states why he's got such an overwhelming advantage without bragging, or the fight's over too fast for talking to happen.

Later on, he seems a lot like Brian from The Life Of Brian. Just kind of stumbling through the world doing amazing things and winning the adoration of people around him. He's even friendly to those who are viciously hostile towards him, because he literally doesn't even detect the threat they pose. He just thinks "Oh, there's my friend in the tournament crowd. He's screaming "KILL HIM!". It's nice that he's getting into the spirit of things.".

>>855850

I haven't touched the WN, I just read the LN. From what I understand, Web Novels tend to be the early beta versions of stories, and that they significantly improve when they're expanded on in the WN.

>>855911

>>855983

Volume 7 is The Invaders of the Large Tomb Arc, which we just wrapped up this latest episode. The mage girl they are talking about is the one Shalltear kills who tried to fly away this episode, the user who responded to you is just too autistic to convey information coherently to anime-only secondaries.

>>855665

So if you are a wizard, you spew rainbows.

...interesting.

>>855983

I intended the phrase "Volume 7/the last arc" to mean the arc that was just finished, IE the most recent arc. I should have just said "Arche" but I figured that you wouldn't know who that was so I was trying to keep it simple.

>>855990

Not my fault the filthy secondary couldn't pick out the one fucking female wizard that was shown with any depth using those clues.

>>855983

>The earthquake happening and people just falling through the cracks

I swear to fuck in comparison to the first season people are going to lose their shit over this crap CGI at some point.

>>856015

>first half of the last season CG

Anon, my shit has long been gone and all the search parties have been recalled.

>>856024

Well they'll be upset about the cringey lip sync in the intro at least.

>>855967

I wouldnt mind a The Life of Ainz.

>>856014

Is this a new censorship thing or just a hot meme that all of the studios are using?

>>856043

No, they were still there to loot. If they had explained that they were reluctant to take on the job, but decided against their better judgement because of the mage's family/money situation, things would've changed. Maybe. Potentially.

>>856049

>>856043

What makes you think he would? In the Zalbadoth arc or whatever the fuck Demiurge calls himself when masked, they capture half the city's population to fuck around with, they even "killed" the magician girl, as mercy, the rest off them will be fucked with and tortured for whatever may be slightly advantageous. Ainz is evil, it's not that hard a concept to grasp.

>>856055 (checked)

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

No, Ainz would've still killed them all for setting foot inside his and his friend's precious Nazarick, especially with the intention of plundering and looting. If they had explained that they were reluctant to take on the job, but decided against their better judgement because of the mage's family/money situation, things would've changed. Or at least ended in a way that doesn't involve mind rape and becoming a breeding ground for maggots. Maybe. Potentially.

>>855668

>"Can't touch this" starts to sound in the background while Ainz dances in front of a confused Arche

>>856057

At most Ainz might have promised to help the twins. Consider Ainz comes from a timeline where slavery basically exists and having an elementary school education is considered a blessing/doing really well for the majority of families who have to work 100+ hour work weeks. Getting fired is basically a death sentence as you can't live inside the bio domes. Hearing about a family of lazy cunts would probably not even phase him, or at most would anger him even more and make him go take over that household to use them for future experiments.

>>856055

Ainz isn't necessarily evil, he's just dense, and probably became somewhat of a sociopath after watching all his friends vanish or get murdered by the corporations combined with being a hungry skeleton.

>>856065

>>856057

Also you have to remember that Ainz uncovered information at some point or another in the LN that suggests that humans in the new world aren't actually humans, but a different species entirely, so he probably rationalizes it as not killing actual people/them being no different than any other intelligent demihuman species.

>>856043

No, but he might kill them outright as a mercy. In order for things to be different someone such as Arche would needed to have had a chat with Momon en route explaining a reluctance to take on such an uncertain job and why she needed the money. Once they reached the arena such groveling would've been too little too late.

>>856054

>Ainz had already planned to kill them all from the start.

>>856049

>If they had explained that they were reluctant to take on the job, but decided against their better judgement because of the mage's family/money situation, things would've changed.

This second thing. The first chance they had to get out of a horrible fate was when Momon asked why they took this illegal job. If they talked about their debt problems, and explained the girl wanting to give her siblings a better life away from their parents, Ainz probably would have helped them, but they gave him the impression of being literally nothing more than common thieves being organized to loot a newly discovered underground burial site.

Then, they could have taken some of the shovelfuls of gold and treasure that was placed at the entrance, before they found any actual threat inside the dungeon. Just grab what they could carry, which was likely more than what their hiring fee was, and leave. That should have solved the debt issue. But they all decided to push it.

Once they'd shown they intended to steal and rampage as far as they could get away with in Ainz' home, he was basically entirely justified in killing them all. They were literally a hostile invading force intent on pillaging whatever they could. Whether you consider Nazarik a home for the guild, a military base, or just consider it a mausoleum or burial site, the things invading adventurers (or workers) do to make money from it mean they are waiving their right to life, and willingly risking it.

If they'd completely came clean to Ainz, being perfectly honest, and explaining things the best possible way, I think the best they could have hoped for was a quick, painless death.

>>856055

Demiurge did that. Ainz only found out about what happened after the fact, and the first thing he did was try to make the most merciful choice he could.

Again, most of his followers are legitimately evil, and will tend towards evil choices and behaviours. Ainz is trying to mediate that, but he can only do so much.

I don't even think Ainz ever figured out what Demiurge meant when he said he was getting the leather for the magic scrolls from "two legged sheep". Ainz literally thinks it's some kind of bizzare farm animal. He's not evil, just a little too trusting of his subordinates.

>>856041

I think the rainbow vomit is a StudioDEEN thing.

Their Fate Stay Night Adaptation wasn't great. From an anime-only perspective, it was just average. From perspective of someone who read the VN, it was an abomination.

I first saw the rainbow vomit in Is This A Zombie (good for dumb fun, but some of the characters are really bland), which they made before making KonoSuba.

I think DEEN is finally finding their niche and making legitimately good work/adaptations.

>>856107

Off the top of my head the anime I've seen in in is KonoSuba, BnHA with Ochako throwing up, and this.

>>855665

>>855668

How could you not fall for Ainz?

>>856107

It's a good choice either way. At least for comedy moments.

>>856130

>File name

Sasuga

>>856104

>Ainz is trying to mediate that, but he can only do so much.

He's suppsoed to be their god, don't give me any of that shit!

>>855901

>eat this shit an0n

No thank you.

>>856154

>He's suppsoed to be their god, don't give me any of that shit!

Tell me what happens literally every time he says "You're overestimating me. I'm not as smart as Albedo and Demiurge." Demiurge has proven that he's willing to go against Ainz' explicit orders if he believes it's in his best interests. Remember when he was going to go stop the fight with Shaltear.

They think of him as their perfect infallible god who's just pretending to be humble. If he orders it, they'll modify their behaviour a bit, but they don't modify their mentality.

>>855881

I hope you get dick cancer, faggot.

>>856104

>He's not evil

After his fatherhood chat with Pandora's Actor, Ainz considers the possibility of farming E-Rantel humans for XP and Yggdrasil gold. Only once he thought about what his friends would think did he wander off to the adventurers' guild. Ainz thinks like a corporate executive which lines up completely with the neutral evil D&D alignment.

>>856177

Ainz openly states, and the LN repeatedly reinforces that Ainz doesn't like killing without reason, as he finds it distasteful. Since he isn't completely apathetic toward other's suffering, and causes usually it to protect his servants or glorify his comrades' memory, I'd say Ainz is more true neutral.

>>856187

You don't have to be good to have a general distaste for using violence. It just means you're more lawful or otherwise peaceful. You could argue he's lawful evil, but he's still evil. An evil king or court judge or really any police officer would also likely find killing distasteful while still being evil.

>>856188

I never said good. Remember that Ainz would simply be exploring the world had Nazerick not come with him. He has no greed or lust for power, he isn't filled with hatred for the living, and he has no malevolent cause. All actions against the new world are because he doesn't fully understand it and he wants to be certain the things he cares about are safe. This means if you don't spit on Nazerick, accidental or otherwise, Ainz won't be out to get you. True neutral.

>>856191

Oh yeah? What if you're a super rare collectible neet dragon?

>>856191

I think the point of contention between us is that you're looking at the good-evil axis on a basis of intent whereas I'm looking at the good-evil axis as karmic ends and worldview. If you look at Ainz solely from the viewpoint of intent then he's not evil, nut neither are the majority of Nazarick's denizens. With the exception of monsters like Demiurge and some of the floor guardians, most of Nazarick's monsters commit atrocities out of either a desire to please Ainz or to sustain themselves, so naturally we'd be in disagreement on the degree of how "evil" these creatures happen to be.

>>856041

It's an old meme, but I can't be assed to dig up examples.

>>856202

>Equally during SPLAT he was openly and clearly enjoying what was occurring, while yes it was more apathy towards individuals and happiness regarding personal achievement it was not in self defence nor necessary and was a cruel horrific act just for personal fun as there are less painful ways to do what he did.

Didn't he cast the splat spell with two intentions. To determine whether there were players in the kingdom forces, as they would try to interrupt the long cast spell, and because the emperor asked for the most powerful spell he had. He did enjoy himself though, there is no denying that

>>856240

You are correct. That's why he had people nearby on backup duty in case someone actually showed up.

>>856249

That was the one Nigel went all out on with the meme translation. I have not read the de-memeified version yet so I don't know if he kept that, but I would doubt it. You are probably reading the quick and dirty version.

>>856254

That's all rather irrelevant considering that blonde got a reasonably good end in the WN. If you're an optimist, you could say that it's because Maruyama's developed a better understanding/vision of the characters since then, but the end product is still worse.

>>856257

>The author's extensive, clear opinion which covers an argument is irrelevant because he earlier thought slightly different in one regard for one character which still fits mostly into the aforementioned description.

What

>but the end product is still worse.

Your opinion on what is better or worse is whats irrelevant in terms of accurate depictions of the characters and above relavant arguments.

>>856263

>Only going for the ass.

Guess she is keeping her virginity for Ainz.

>>856254

But what happens if, when asked by the mysterious warrior why you must go to the tomb, your reply that you seek an audience with Suzuki Satoru?

The obvious answer is "immediately get captured and tortured endlessly for knowledge". But then again, he's expecting Yggdrasil players, so someone from the real world might be unexpected (and impotent) enough for him to let you come to the tomb peacefully.

>>856265

>Guess she is keeping her virginity for Ainz.

In the WN Ainz literally ordered Shalltear not to harm her.

Shalltear mention in passing she hasn't harmed Arche, just gave her a tail and the like.

Which Ainz first assume she meant literally as in transforming her in a lizard or something so he worries and ask for details.

PERORONCINO§§§§

Later the first thing Arche ask for a reward is for Ainz to allow Shalltear to at least take her virginity.

>>856191

>>856202

>True neutral.

True neutral are sheep.

True neutrals are chars is a martyr getting corralled and killed with accepting their fate...

Ainz is Chaotic Neutral.

A.K.A. He has no fucking clue what he's doing. At his best he tries to be Lawful Neutral since he has a fairly clear moral idea that he must follow (Nazarick n°1, I must be a "good king") but he's ready to stoop as low as necessary to follow it, because he feels it's what must be done, rather than his selfish desire (exploring the world and having fun), however he fails do to so and gets fits of anger and petty scorn preventing him to be really lawful.

Demiurge is Neutral Evil, he's doing shit out of pure malice (the way he tried to get used goods to act as the cook for the "sheep" pens to mentally torture her is a good example of true, neutral, evil).

Albedo is lawful evil, while she believe in rigidity and order such order should only by used to purge to subjugate the lower lifeforms.

And finally Shalltear is Chaotic Evil, she does evil shit because it's fun to do evil shit.

Cocytus is obviously really lawful neutral.

Sebas is lawful good (which is why he quarrels with Demiurge but has no trouble following Ainz).

It's hard to tell with twins as they have no hard traits since they're children but Mare would be on his way to be LE and Aura LN.

Pandora is like Ainz -> CN.

Solution and Entoma are CE.

Yuri is LN.

CZ is CG.

Naberal is LE.

Lupus is either NE or CE. it's a bit harder to tell since it's unclear whether she really gets off (literally) from it (so she's just indulging in pleasure like Shalltear and Solution) or she likes to do evil for evil sake.

>>856294

>Yuri is LN.

Yuri's actually good aligned.

Interestingly, Kyouhukou's alignment is neutral rather than evil.

>>856294

Lupus enjoys the suffering of others and enjoys inflicting suffering on others.

>>856298

He just wants to feed his family. Not his fault humans and other sentient beings count as food.

>>856285

>>856311

You guys quoting doujins are as bad as that volume 12 fan fiction chapter about the queen.

I want Ainz to make friends with somebody. Or to have an old guildmate show up. I have a feeling the first player Ainz encounters face to face will be an antagonist. I really feel for him.

>>856338

It'll probably be the elf king or the "god of death." I feel for you, but I think Maruyama already stated none of his old guildmates would show up (at least not in his timeline) and that he'd probably just kill any PC that showed up under the assumption that they were a threat.

>>856294

>Ainz is Chaotic Neutral.

>A.K.A. He has no fucking clue what he's doing.

I swear to fuck these people have to be secondaries, how else can people be so selective. The entirety of volume 12, and most of 13, Ainz acts according to a set plan, a plan that in unambiguosly evil for selfish gain.

>Ainz had no clue why he was laughing as hundreds of thousand died for a pre-meditated plan he mostly came up with himself

>Ainz had no clue why he was fireballing babies and ravaging a country even though he admits he knows and agrees with the benefits of the plan

>inb4 needs to appear skilled and evil for demi

He admits demi is smarter in that arc

>because he feels it's what must be done, rather than his selfish desire (exploring the world and having fun), however he fails do to so and gets fits of anger and petty scorn preventing him to be really lawful.

>he fails to act good, and acts on selfish desires

>neutral

>we'll conveniently switch to the lawful axis when its convenient

>personal behaviour and desires aren't a reflection of good/evil

I notice that a lot of anons are just ignoring some of the more heinous shit Ainz has done and are portraying it as minor or rare when it is the majority of his actions instead moving the goalposts with unrealted definition shifts ignoring the tangible actions, behavious, and reasoning raised. This makes a lot more sense if they've only seen the anime though where the evil is less pronounced.

Ainx has been in this world for years now and the last few volumes have had him being significantly more aware and understnding of the plans, the comical sasugas while still there aren't as impactful to the plans as they once where, largely due to the increasing scale.

e,g.

While neia was important she could have died and all still would have gone to plan

the dwarven arc had no real sasugas in a way that affected them politiclly

country relations and plans aren't accidentaly chosen and sasuga'd but rather effectively left solely to demi and albedo

Here's a hint faggots, Maruyama himself has given alignments to a good chunk of the characters

>but it doesn't fit exactly

Nor does it ever in actual dnd, its a rough guide but one for which definitions exist outside your own opinions.

Here are two definitions from 3rd edition, which fits AInz better

>Neutral Evil

>A Neutral evil character is typically selfish and has no qualms about turning on allies-of-the-moment, and usually makes allies primarily to further their own goals. A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit for themselves.

>Chaotic Neutral

>A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although chaotic neutral characters promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first; good and evil come second to their need to be free.

While the adventurer persona is in many ways the latter, Ainz as a whole I find, through his actions, to fit the former.

>A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises.

>This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains.

Ainz is the authority. He discriminates based on whether someone is from Nazarick or useful to Nazarick. He's loyal to his guild-members and holds onto their 'traditions,' their accumulated knowledge, wealth and creations. He has established himself as the legitimate political authority of his Sorcerer Kingdom. Even as Momon his plans involved working his way up through an established hierarchy, the adventurer's guild.

I can't remember the LN character sheet details, but I think it rated Karma, instead of alignment. Ainz was extremely evil, from what I remember. I'm not sure it translates into D&D's autistic grid morality that well. I'd say Lawful Evil, but I'm not committed to charting out an animu character in D&D stats.

I cant wait for the Bloody Emperor to get that sweet, sweet fear dicking in Mr. Bones's throne room. Second best part of the novel. The opportunity to show off some of the tomb we have not seen yet had better be capitalized on.

>>856159

IF he is their god, they will obey whatever he tells them. Ainz is utterly evil at this poitn, needlesly cruel. He has turned into a monster he RPed to be.

Fuck him and all of Nazzarick.

>>856375

He did turn into something else. One of the first things to come up in the story was that he was pretty sure he didn't think like a human any more. If he was ever human to begin with. Maybe he just has the lich version of dementia.

>>856382

>Maybe he just has the lich version of dementia.

That would be kind of fun.

>>856393

Are there any MMOs that actually pull off mixing and matching classes? It mostly just feels like a hassle, and that if you aren't playing the flavor of the patch, you're going to suck.

>>856400

>Are there any MMOs that actually pull off mixing and matching classes?

Was it even a good MMO? Didn't he just keep playing because he got attached to it because of the guild?

>>856406

Seven worlds of mostly hidden content, PvP everywhere, immersion out the ass, and conquerable territory. It was probably pretty damn good.

>>856406

>Didn't he just keep playing because he got attached to it because of the guild?

At some point, he was clearly leveling and doing content with that guild. I could go for more infodumps about the game or the real world.

>>856406

>>856409

You're both missing the part where it was only one of three popular games. Mega corporations out the ass leads to the only games being available being WoW, Call of Duty, and Madden. All of which require to inject NSA nanites into your bloodstream.

>>856409

Don't forget about microtransactions everywhere and, the worst part of all, having to play with other people. Granted, he did go from salaryman to lich overlord in a fantasy world, so there's at least one upside to Yggdrasil.

>>856412

Thank god we live in a world that's completely different.

>>856413

>microtransactions everywhere

It's just like real life!

>>855905

Personally I find that story arc to be more interesting than simply "and now she's Dead"

had potential to be more to the character and it was cut off. Could have toned down the PG-18 aspect without losing the character development.

>>856406

If there was anything particularly good about the fictional MMO Yggdrasil, it was the class/race system, and how information was so tightly controlled. No looking up everything on the internet, you could find incredible skills hidden in the strangest combination of class levels, and exploration was encouraged.

I like that Nazarick got a bonus to it's NPC cap because the Momonga's guild did the dungeon blind on their first try.

>>856427

>information was so tightly controlled. No looking everything up on the internet

I don't think you can stop data miners, and too many people are willing to post info for upvotes or record it for youtube/stream money. It's a real shame.

>>856427

Once you know how fucking bizarre and obtuse the MMO was, it makes even more sense that Ainz is as powerful as he is. He was one of the strongest players in an MMO that was intensely difficult to figure out and required lots of dedication and luck. For him to achieve his spot as one of the most powerful Guilds in the game meant he didn't just level up a lot or grind, but he truly figured out and understood the complexities of the game in a way that most couldn't even imagine.

>>856429

>He was one of the strongest players in an MMO.

The broken nature of the game and Ainz's strength relative to the New World, no, he wasn't. He has a sub-optimal build he specifically made for RP reasons and a big cheese move for fighting in a group.

He had a very strong team that followed guidelines set by another to ensure they won all their PvP through information collection and proper preparation. He said he could beat anyone in the game(with the exception of TouchMe, who he could never beat no matter how many times they fought), but only if it was a best of 3 match.

Anyone is strong with world items, guild items, and cash/gacha items, but Ainz Ooal Gown wasn't the only guild with these things, they just had a lot of them and a strong base which made them unbeatable as a collective and even they got fucked by the literal world breaking powers of world items once.

>>856327

You wish we were.

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n1839bd/14/

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n1839bd/20/

Go ahead put it in google translate and read...

Can someone explain why Ainz had that chain around his neck?

>>856446

Read the thread.

>>856393

But are all the creators of Nazerak evil?

>>856520

>Who is TouchMe

>>855745

I readily admit I am an anime-only pleb but I do not comprehend faggots flipping out that Ainz is evil. Who could have expected that the evil skeleton overlord was actually evil? Protip: everyone should have been able to expect that

>>856544

>but I do not comprehend faggots flipping out that Ainz is evil

Some people can't help but self-insert and then panic when the character that they've inserted themselves into does something "out of character". They would enjoy the series a whole lot more if they started thinking of it more as a comedy than a fantasy epic.

Honestly this EP made me drop Overlord all togeather. No point in killing them. It feels like Aniz is just doing the will of his minions what him to be instead of the real Ainz of season 1.

>>856558

Where I come from, we shoot home invaders on sight.

>>856558

>No point in killing them.

What would you have done, then?

>>856559

Good eye.

>>856570

It's not really a home invader, though. It's like watching someone get riled up and hold a speech when they find a vole in the living room. Most folk grab a broom and shoo it out. Plus Momonga already has the place littered with vole traps.

Not that I'm trying to throw shade on Ainz-sama. I'm more than happy for any excuse to watch him chew the scenery and make some small animals go splat.

>>856544

People probably thought that he's a good bad guy since he's been merciful in the past and killed mainly bad guys, with the exception of the 10 000 civilians they kidnapped from the kingdom.

>>856593

No, fuck you. My brother once saved some mice a year ago, and that very winter, we had a whole nest in our home shitting in our cupboards and getting into our food. We're still living with the repercussions. >>856605 is right.

>>856666

>Merciful in the past

>Tortured the Scripture Operatives he captures in the beginning

>Kills the next villain by slowly crushing her to death with his bare hands as she scrapes at him

>Begins war with tribal lizardmen for the sole purpose of teaching Cocytus how to adapt

>Does not let allow these same lizardmen surrender after making a show of stomping out any hope they had in their hearts of winning, and insists that they send themselves to die as sacrifices to make a point, both to them and Cocytus

>Orders his men to completely destroy Eight Fingers after capturing someone that they didn't know was under his protection, which is exactly how he phrased it

This isn't even to mention some of the things he's said he wished he could do. For example, he specifically said he wished he could keep Nferia under the mind control of the circlet, as a person who had the talent to use any magic item, but he already had made a deal with Lizzie about it so it couldn't be helped.

The only people he has ever shown mercy to from an anime-only fag's perception that is actually paying any attention to is his own subordinates, and that's because he treats them like his children and his only momentos of the what he cares about, his old friends. Ainz has always been brutal.

>>856672

He rescurrected Zaryus after the lizardman shit, gave an HP potion and the horn to Enri, spared Sebas' waifu and granted quick deaths to some of the kidnapped people.

>>856682

>He resurrected Zaryus after the lizardman shit

Only after Cocytus asked him to, and even then he turned it into a ploy to hang it over Lulu's head to make her his spy. Originally his intent was to raise them as undead lizardmen as an experiment.

Again, as I said, he has only shown mercy in relation to his subordinates.

>gave an HP potion and the horn to Enri

This has been the only selfless act he has done in the anime that either wasn't an act or didn't further his own goals in any way.

And even THEN his initial instinct was to not get involved until having Sebas at his side made him remember TouchMe would do in this situation and did it out of respect for him. Of course, one example a trend does not make, an Ainz has shown zero desire, intention, or action to emulate TouchMe outside of this one instance.

>spared Sebas' waifu

Third time now, this is a mercy to his subordinate. He didn't make Sebas actually kill her, he just wanted to be sure that he was willing to, and even then the whole event was because Demiurge and Solution bugged him to and he didn't really want to test Sebas at all. He only decided to make her a Nazarick maid because Sebas requested he do so, all of which was decided before he knew whose sister she was, which made it all a happy accident for him.

>granted quick deaths to some of the kidnapped people

>Kidnap innocent people without cause

>Kill those who didn't speak ill of Nazarick quickly instead of torturing them

Wow how merciful.

Would killing mage girl have gone over better if he hadn't had her cut up and used as resources for his minions? It seemed like that was his way of respecting the dead, not letting anything go to waste.

>>856740

That's fucking bullshit. If he really wanted to utilize her to her fullest he should've used her womb.

>>856758

You mean like giving Entoma a womb-bug?

Are there dick-bugs for Ainz?

>>856740

It would've gone over better if they hadn't gone out of their way to make it as grimderp as possible.

>"terrorize her and then kill her"

>cut her body up in pieces

>her voice sticks around for the foreseeable future as a reminder to the events

>specifically show her imoutos waiting for her at home with their obvious bad end looming

This is the same kind of approach to drama that generic shonenshit take, it's very poor quality. Meanwhile the WN version has a simple and relatively cool solution, could've fueled some fanart/doujins, and wouldn't leave a bad taste, like this shit did.

>>856770

The WN ending also would have never ended up on television (maybe back in the 90s but not today).

>>856771

They don't have to show explicitly how they're having a gay orgy, and TV anime talk about equally depraved shit all the time. Hell they didn't even need to talk about it, just leave it up to the viewer/reader's imagination with Shalltear going "maybe I won't kill you after all".

>>856787

Doing something like that would be incredibly gay, and would likely just piss off the fans.

>>856770

Wasn't Arche's fate up for a vote?

>>856790

>Doing something like that would be incredibly gay

That's literally the norm for all of television. Overlord is already doing it with everything related to Shalltear. Do you seriously think people get pissed off every time sexually explicit things are suggested in a work but not outright described in detail?

>>856791

Was it?

>>856794

I think there's tasteful ways to go about it and talentless hack ways of going about it. Given the amount Overlord has given us so far, it would be near-impossible to pull it off in a tasteful manner at this point without doing a 180 on policy.

>>856800

>Given the amount Overlord has given us so far

There still hasn't been anything sexually explicit in the anime, just the usual two going on about suggestive things. I don't know how that compares to the LN, but if the LN is explicit, then it's already the norm that they water everything down for the anime, so again it would be business as usual implementing the WN ending.

How many volumes does Maruyama have left in him?

>>856825 7 I think

>>856923

>>856825

>Inb4 overlord 2

>>856740

Half of the viewers didn't even realize it was the mage girl he was talking about in this scene, because this show attracts the window licking autistic, so no.

>>856770

>Overlord

>It'd be better if this one part wasn't grimdark among all of the entirety of all of the grimdark interactions Ainz/Nazarick has with everyone in the series

WN fags are almost as insufferable as anime-only fags at this point.

>>856980

Being forced to become a sex slave and fuck your sisters is dark. Being killed and cut to pieces, this being called the merciful good way out, then all that shit with the imoutos that ends with them dying is not dark, it's grimderp. It's over the top.

>but but but all those other dark things in Overlord

Difference is in how much they focus on it. Obviously dark things happen often, but they don't put them this much into the spotlight, and intentionally putting them in the spotlight this much is in bad taste.

>>856996

>Being forced to become a sex slave and fuck your sisters is dark.

>Simple and relatively cool.

>Kill and dismember. Show incoming despair.

>It's over the top.

The absolute state of WN fags.

>Difference is in how much they focus on it. Obviously dark things happen often, but they don't put them this much into the spotlight

Except that's wrong. Overlord always painstakingly reminds and revisits the suffering of others caused by Ainz, during and after the arc of their relevance, ESPECIALLY when they're not evil.

>>856763

**

>Entoma cultivates dick-bugs of varying qualities and gives to Ainz as a tribute

>Ainz keeps them stored in extra-dimensional pocket-space because a box of dick-bugs is just too embarrassing for a skeletal dungeon boss to leave lying around

>Ainz accidentally drops the box during a strategy meeting in his office, but manages to push it under the desk before anyone notices

>Dick-bugs escape and crawl up robes

>Phalluses suddenly emerge from the overlord's eye sockets and sleeves

>Demiurge adjusts his glasses, "S-Sasug--"

>Pandora's Actor interrupts loudly and weirdly salutes, "Sasuga, To-san~~!"**

>>857137

This is a Lord Hater Thread now

>>856263

Brain and Ainz are about the only guys Shalltear shows any interest in, and that's because Brain is completely nuts by the time he does his fingernail cutting stroke.

>>856813

There were two lizards banging on screen.

>>858222

That probably only made the cut because they were lizards, but it's not like I'm against adding an explicit scene, I just wouldn't expect it.

>>856996

>and fuck your sisters is dark

She doesn't fuck her sisters it's something anon made up.

She's kept as "a dog" by shalltear in her never-ending orgy chamber.

However since she's noble, Ainz recall her to teach him etiquette and dancing. To reward her, rather than giving shalltear the right to take her virginity, he buys her sisters and let them live happily on the 6th floor (forest).

If anything the description of how she was mind-broken is the grimderp part (as they showed her what happens to her friends described in great details rather than skimmed around).

However Arche happy ending doesn't make sense in the wider context of the setting which is why it was cut.

Ainz mercy to his enemies is instant death. There is no reason for him to grant anything else. The only reason why he spares Arche in the WN, is not "honor", but to have her comeback to teach Ainz nobility customs, which is poor writing.

Which is why it's cut from the LN.

God, I want one of his friends to show up. Though that will never happen, and would pretty much make his renaming scene pointless. Renaming himself is like the most important character trait we have from Ainz.

Most are forgetting Ainz trait that restricts emotions as an undead. A lot of his inner monologue doesnt reflect what he does because the decisions are made without emotion as an undead. Any emotional responses are immediately culled, clouding every decision. Even his anger over the use of his friends as a lie to get away was stopped and he was fucking pissed over that. If he was disgusted by anything NPCs do or death, that emotion gets shut down immediately. His actions and responses to waht anyone does should be taken in regards to this at all times. He's not 'being evil' - the character parameters refuse to let him care or view anything as evil or feel remorse or any emotion about his actions.

>>858262

he only renames to spread the guild name and hopefully attract one of his friends. its not a defining trait of any kind.

I want the chosen hero to fuck up nazarick, fuck that big skelly man.

>>858425

seconded.

>>858422

It only kills emotions over a certain threshold. He can still feel emotions, just weakly.

>>858631

>>858630

I am pleased to see that the Sorcerer King's Rescue Team is always surveying the internet to spot filthy heretics among anons.

>>858422

>>858436

His emotions becoming this mechanical makes him sasuga even if he doesn't notice or intend to.

Very disappointing episode.

Not nearly enough Jircniv freaking out, or even his retainers.

No tour through Nazarick's floors like the LN.

No pay off at all.

>>858666

There also weren't any dragons, demons, or insectoids lined up with the armored knights along the red carpet. A much lower show of force.

But yeah, episode was not shit because secondaries and worst pleiades smug, amirite?

>>858665

>>858669

Which is assuming forgiveness for skipping the Mare and Aura scene in his throne room.

>>858671

>talking about something they completely made up in their head out of watching an anime while on medication and stringing together wiki plot synapses incoherently

Tell me where I'm wrong though.

>Part 3

>Jircniv arrived at a hemispherical room. He stood before a pair of vast double doors. Intricate carvings decorated both sides of the doors; a beautiful goddess on the right and a cruel-looking demon on the left. Countless ominous-looking statues were arrayed around them.

>If one had to give it a name, it would probably be “The Gates of Judgement.”

>Jircniv pondered those doors as he looked over them.

>The huge room was quiet, so quiet that he imagined he could hear the metaphorical sound of silence.

>Indeed, nobody from the Imperial contingent had uttered a single word ever since they had been brought here. The only sounds were the metallic noises of armor scraping against armor.

>They were not silent out of politeness, but rather, they had passed all manner of wondrous sights before coming here, which had stolen their souls away.

>It would have been too much to expect them to not be entranced by the nigh-mythical scenes they had seen.

>In truth, even Jircniv found it hard to control the impulse to gawk openly at his surroundings as he walked, given the splendor that surrounded him.

>He glanced over his shoulder to look at his subordinates who had followed him here.

>Behind him were Baziwood and ten specially-selected royal guards, Fluder and four of his acolytes, Roune, his secretary, and the priests from the knight orders. Leinas and the remaining royal guards had been left behind with the carriages for security.

>Everyone following him ―with the exception of Fluder― had drawn in their shoulders.

>This was the result of walking through this passage which even the Empire’s finest artisans would not be able to replicate, which filled them with a sense of being tiny and insignificant.

>The Great Underground Tomb of Nazarick was a tomb in name only. In truth, it was a beautiful world that was closer to a citadel of the gods than anything else. Their image of the ruler of this place, the magic caster Ainz Ooal Gown, was overwhelming beyond description.

>...........

>This room was the epitome of a “throne room”. There was no better word to describe a place like this.

>Jircniv and the others blanched pale as an oppressive air swept over them from inside the room.

>A crimson carpet ran down the center of the room, and flanking it were a series of immeasurably powerful beings.

>There were Demons, Dragons, bizarre humanoids, armored knights, bipedal insects and Elves. Each was different from the other in size and appearance, but the one thing they had in common was the overwhelming might each of them possessed. These beings were arranged in two lines on either side of the carpet, and it felt too disheartening to count them.

>They watched Jircniv and company in silence. Although it was said that one could sense a certain kind of strength in the eyes of those with power or status, this was the first time Jircniv had ever felt a physical pressure.

>The sound of low moans and the shuddering of metal armor plates came from behind Jircniv.

>It was proof that his subjects were scared out of their wits.

>>858676

They didn't go to the decoy. The decoy doesn't even look anything like Nazarick, inside or out.

The only purpose of the decoy was to have a false location to flee to and in a similar vein a second safe location to stage operations from, which becomes obsolete now that Nazarick is announcing itself to the world.

The anime design for the death knights really isn't fitting for the role they've been given in the eyes of the Empire. They look more like bloated skeletons than the "elite undead of pure destruction" they seem to think of them as.

I dont think that the despair was as palpable as it should have been and they skipped right over the scene with the doors before they opened. I highly recommend that anyone who wants to truly see into the mind of the emperor and or get a real dose of that sweet sweet despair read the first chapter of volume 9. It does a much better job. While you are at it, just finish the rest of the volume and stop being a filthy secondary.

>>858689

Looks too much like Momon, so it makes sense that the anime changed it.

>>858723

Looks more like Batman in plate-mail riddled with bullet wounds.

>>858754

If this episode is anything to go off of, yes, it will be very lame. So will his entrance at the battle.

>>858674

That's not even the real Nazarick

>>858678

>It doesn't look anything like Nazarick inside or out

While true, that doesn't really matter at all to someone who's never been to Nazarick proper

>The only purpose of the decoy was to have a false location to flee to and in a similar vein a second safe location to stage operations from

The latter is correct but the first is a rather flimsy assumption, if any force is capable of taking over Nazarick I don't think it would be a good idea to flee to the wooden shack some miles away from it.

I'm pretty sure it's explicitly stated somewhere in the books that the EMperor is taken to the decoy Nazarick, right now I can only remember that they held the welcoming brunch in an open field in front of the entrance of it. I'm prett ysure some empire folk woudl ahve commented on being served food in a cemetery otherwise

>>858895

But that's wrong. I have explained this and quoted the LN at length in this thread explaining this. You have wiki canon brain.

>>859683

Neia's the better choice.

>less likely to get killed on the spot for your impertinence when you ask

>no anthropophagous in-laws

>she'll be flustered when you tell her how cute she is since she's not used to it, unlike the Pleiades who get it all the time

>spend your days travelling around with her proselytizing in the name of JUSTICE

>>856770

The WN version is shit. It's just lesbian sex bait for the edge and crowbarred-in porn aspect. The LN/Anime version of her fate is better. It ties up loose ends, and shows that there's no lingering hard feelings towards the invader.

Anyone who entered Nazarick with the intent of killing an pillaging was going to end up suffering a terrible fate no matter what, and it was earned / deserved. "Scare her, then kill her painlessly" is an extremely merciful downgrade from "torture her for the rest of her life". He never knew about her little sisters.

If he went out of his way to search out the little sisters so he could kill or torture them in front of her, THEN that'd be evil.

>>856996

>all that shit with the imoutos that ends with them dying is not dark, it's grimderp

You know they weren't actually said to die in the anime, right? The only explicit thing is that their sister is never going to return home for them. That whole "being sold into slavery" stuff is from the WN. Their ultimate fate in the LN wasn't actually in the LN. The author apparently mentioned on the website that they were sold into slavery. Mentioned on the website, not mentioned in the novel.

>>858422

>Most are forgetting Ainz trait that restricts emotions as an undead.

This is extremely important, and practically no-one mentions it. One of the things about this character is all the layers it has.

There's the actual future-japanese guy, his self as a gamer, his self as his role-playing avatar, his self as his role as guildmaster, his role as guildmaster in Yggdrasil with his NPCs turned into real beings, the layer of personality "being an undead" gives him, his role as a sort of explorer in the new world, and many more things. It's very complex, and can be approached from a lot of angles that aren't 100% wrong, but not 100% right either.

This is why I hate watching anime that isn't finished airing. Nothing happened and now I need to wait a whole week to see some action

>another episode of fucking nothing

**That said I like this episode, it'd be a nice break before the war, had there not been 20 other whole episodes of fucking nothing.

>>856428

>I don't think you can stop data miners

You can, have all the data on the server and only have the client download on demand. From icons to sounds effects, make so everything is downloaded on demand. On a futuristic world where VR is that good, such connection speeds should be no surprize

This whole episode was a factory of flags, absolutely zero subtly

>>860283

Anything can be cracked. That data still has to be rendered somewhere even if we're talking about cloud-only shit. You might be able to delay spoilers with truckloads of false data, but supply will always always follow demand.

Was half expecting the battle to happen after the credits started

>>860307

no no no, you don't get it, there is nothing to crack, the data does not exist on the client PC. The end user never sees the data unless he have the right to use it, for instance, you never get any fireball related file unless your character have learned the fireball spell, it's all on the server.

I was not even thinking of the cloud gaming shit which is EVEN more uncrackable, because you only ever get audio and video data, there is literally nothing to crack

>>860329

I don't think you get it. If your character is hit with a fireball spell, you'll see the results. The calculation is still observable on the client side even if the effects are only resolved server-side and this is what makes data mining possible even if nothing is legally written on end-user storage. How can a company stop end-users from recording gameplay? Hardware can always be hacked and new tech installed.

>>860376

Well, it is in the strict meaning of the concept of data mining, as in "google data mines users to sell better place ads"

But not in "hackers datamined the game and found X and Y events that are triggered by having Z item and being at W place"

The second type of data mining, commonly used in games, is not possible if the game is streamed or if most of the calculations are server side only

sage for double posting

>>860376

>that's not data mining

I was going by >>856428 's usage of data miners.

>>860381

Well, his meaning could be either reading off the game files to expose all secrets or testing/documenting and posting on a wiki, since both could be used to get upvotes and steam money depending how you release the info

>>860263

It was plenty rushed as it was, it can't be helped that even trimming every corner 3 times over it's still too much to fit into an anime

What saddens me is that a lot of the exposition is also lost with the omission of the inner monologues for many of the characters, but it's understandable, since it would pretty much triple the amount of dialog.

Just got done with volume 10. I liked the splat part even if I had trouble imagining the dark goats. I'm gonna miss stronoff, he was cool

>>861622

Yeah it was. I just got done with volume 9, not 10. Whoops.

>>861625

But now you get to read about secret agent Ainz! And the father-son talk between Ainz and PA.

Holy shit, that CG in 11 was so fucking bad.