/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>854849

>paying for streaming media

I'll import physical media at ridiculous prices before I'll ever give one red cent to a streaming site.

>>854854

Nah, I don't like that either, even if other studios start doing the same. At least not on that site.

>>854861

I am curious, what's your problem with this system. They also probably chose Patreon, because it's the most popular platform, at least in the west(don't know if there's a more popular option in Japan), and if they chose a lesser known platform they wouldn't receive as mach cash, even if those less popular platforms took a lesser cut, than Patreon does. Anyway I was looking at the cost of an anime series, and with 10k a month, after one year, they could fund one episode, that isn't too action packed. I think the money could be used for cleaning up some QUALITY frames, though they said they would use it to fund merchandise.

>>854862

I don't really see a huge problem with western studios, paying Japanese studios to animate their crap, it's something that has happened since the 80s with He-man, G.I.Joe and Thundercats, and it's still done today, but with Korea, instead of Japan, which Japan also does nowadays, it's just that they didn't call it anime,

>>854865

I mainly worry that they assume they'll have to appeal a western audience, instead of just doing things they way they already are.

Also, I just randomly remembered that i never watched "under the dog". I remember that there was quite some hype about it being funded through kickstarter.

>>854852

Competition for sure, though. I hate J-Novel List because they're dirty bugmen with their business practices, but they force other TL companies to translate instead of sit on a series for five years and drop it from lack of sales (due to fan TLs already translating the whole damn thing), and they also are ethical and will let fan TLs leave their TLs up until the company has fully translated a volume, thus giving fan TLs an incentive to keep translating and/or to translate faster than them.

>>854887

I remember watching that. I thought it was okay.

I was thinking about reviving some old anime to circulate more copies with the current atmosphere trying desperately to take them away and people rarely seeding the old torrents. I wanted to spread this to having multiple subgroups for the same anime. I keep running into this same problem where a site might list the original fansubber but it's an encoded version instead of the original version. Is there a better place to get original versions of subs once their public torrents have died?

>>854852

If you can't afford the BDs which is understandable, because they can be fucking expensive merchandise is the next best thing. Every series makes trinkets and items that they sell these days on non-amazon sites.

>>854932

I want to get into buying BDs I already buy figs, beanies, hats, keyrings, tapestries and dakis

>>854933

It's going to be expensive if you are going for a full season. They usually only put a couple of episodes per release if you are going for JP and each release can cost ~6000円 and up.

>>854934

So about 25000 yen a season? That's not too bad. I'm not buying as many figs now so that is easy enough to budget for.

>>854942

I am almost tempted to just find out producer details and send them some dollars and thank them for their, and their teams, hard work if I am unable to get BDs. This way I know money goes straight to the people who made what I like.

>>854865

>I don't really see a huge problem with western studios, paying Japanese studios to animate their crap

It's the subservience and wage disparity that's the issue. This arrangement is not constructive.

>>854942

Well said. I wish this would resonate with streaming users but it's rarely effective in my experience. Bullying only goes so far too.

>>854951

>I am almost tempted to just find out producer details and send them some dollars and thank them

Me too. I have this idea of going to various studios and delivering big expensive sushi platters and flowers or maybe something like an Otoshidama for new years, but I think that's just for children. It would be nice to at least send something over one day if I ever find myself in the money.

>>854887

>I mainly worry that they assume they'll have to appeal a western audience, instead of just doing things they way they already are.

But same could be said about westerners buying BDs or figurines, they surely have sales data, and know how many figurines were bought in which country, yet I never hear anyone say don't buy figurines, because then they might start catering to westerners.

>It's the subservience and wage disparity that's the issue. This arrangement is not constructive.

A lot of buzzwords, but no argument.

>>855127

Second reply meant to >>855102

>>854849

> I was thinking about if some other company took up on their place

The only realistic alternatives for Crunchyroll (in the United States) are Amazon/Sentai or Netflix.

> it would be their corporatr basis to try to get their foot in the door in asking Japanese studios to produce this kind of crap for western audiences that don't exist

They don't need to get a foot into the door, they are already in the house.

Crunchyroll is a common member in anime production committees (normally third or fourth position) since 2017.

This is currently just a measure to get licenses cheaper, but CR could easily start to lead production committees and fund their own "CR anime".

They actually already did this once with Urahara, which was based on the concept of an CR employee.

Urahara flopping in the West and East must have hurt CR quite a bit, I doubt that they want to repeat this experience.

There is actually quite a bit that implies that CR has money issues.

In 2016 Crunchyroll and Funimation partnered, so that they wouldn't drive license prices higher.

This was a pointless move, because it lead to Sentai partnering with Amazon.

Netflix also started to invest more seriously into anime.

Like I already said above, since 2017 CR has started to invest directly into anime, primarily so that they could get the licenses without getting involved into a bidding war.

And now in 2018/19 they start to fund original content outside of Japan, I actually see this as CR taking the first step out of the door.

Anime is getting too expensive for them, so they start producing cartoons.

>>854932

Merch is definitely the best way.

>>854849

I'm not surprised they went this direction especially when they showed their had a bit with their "anime awards" in 2016, where Yuri On Ice won like 80% of the categories because muh gays. I was skeptical of supporting them before then, but that sealed the deal for me.

>>854849

>more anime being brought over legally

Potentially making jewish ideas on western tastes a factor in production decisions doesn't seem appealing, the less money Japan earns from the west, the better. You people looking for a "based" localization company to throw money at are all fucking retards, it needs to go back to being fansubs.

>>854852

>buying the series I enjoyed would be pretty expensive.

Then just only buy the ones you really enjoyed, or hell buy manga, you can buy than shit digital directly from Japan without giving a single middleman anything to rub his hands over. Don't advertise yourself as a large western audience that would pay very well if they just toned down the elements a westerner might by uncomfortable with.

>>854942

Theoretically crunchyrool would be far better off if they made all their costs and income splitting public. If you knew how much they gave to the industry you'd be more interested. The sad reality is that they likely give very little to the industry and are of course unwilling to give out their information.

I don't know about phisical media, but of we are talking digital, there is things like steam that is also selling anime and movies in their platforms, it's not subscription based, so you only send money towards the people you want to support and you have it until the day steam/whatever platform you would use goes under.

Though you would have to stick with official subs wich are almost always less than ideal.

>>855422

>there is things like steam that is also selling anime and movies in their platforms, it's not subscription based, so you only send money towards the people you want to support

Almost all Steam anime are just CR releases sold through Steam, most of the money would end up in Crunchyroll's hands.

And with almost all, I mean 100 out of 102 anime on Steam are published by CR.

The best way to support anime is to import merchandise/BDs/manga out of Japan.

>>855371

I imagine CR has demographic data on the people who use them, I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of women use the service.

>>854942

>Like netflix, crunchyroll is likely deep in debt

That's the impression I got looking at Glassdoor reviews of them and Funimation a while back. Hole-in-the-wall offices, incompetent upper management who have no experience in anime, low pay, tight deadlines, high turnover rate. This company is for sure operating at a loss and any hope of profitability is a very long term prospect.

The utility of having near complete control over licensing of anime is the whole purpose of the company. They're squeezing out their rivals to make sure they don't step foot into anime as a whole, quality be damned. Do not underestimate the utility of this strategy. Even if they can't ride a growing subculture into normalfag bucks, they've forced their rivals into going around broadcast anime like >>855147 detailed very well. "Either I win or nobody wins."

>>855822

Wasn't the only Japanese person I saw getting mad at crunchyroll and he's a well respected animator/director and has a bit of an influence, if he tells most of the people he knows what he thinks of Crunchyroll it could certainly hurt them.

waitwaitwait

...isn't Crunchyroll dependent on licensing agreements with these Japanese animation studios they are fleeting?

How would those studios react if they started getting flooded by annoying gaijin bitching about their stupid gaijin problems because they had a licensing agreement with some annoying unprofitable gaijin company? Do you think this could could kill the Crunchyroll? How much would it take for them to say "This ain't fucking worth it"? would it even take 100 emails? Or would they see gibberish anglorunes and just be like "lol, wtf is this?"

I thought this was going to be a Ruin Explorers thread. I feel let down.

>Only anime related person on youtube i follow is supereyepatch wolf

>Far as i know stuck to videos jerking off over junji tio and dr stone

Stop fucking giving mothersbasement views OP.

>>855926

Truly a shame.

I actually haven't seen or heard anything about this series, so I had to go onto hooktube to look it up. I watched the trailer and was immediately hit with a bunch of political agenda pushing. See, most studios, if they put out a trailer for a show, are not going to tout the gender makeup of anything to do with their production team. At most, they may list past works, partner studios, source materials, or notable directors. This different form of focus, knowing that it is certainly politically motivated, is a red flag to say that the show is almost certainly going to contain some kind of narrative pushing in its world, story, characters, or dialogue. I don't trust the kind of people who would emphasize something so intrinsically irrelevant to the show to not insert politics into it, and while it's not unusual for some shows to carry political or social messages, the form it takes here will probably be fairly blunt.

It's a shame because the show premise, setting, and cast makes me think about LWA. Except in this case, instead of preceding the show with two good OVAs, this show is being preceded by political posturing. And to be fair, even if they didn't go in this direction for their trailer, the art style being closely compared to Steven Universe versus either a modern or traditional Japanese style is itself enough to make me wary of the intent behind the studio.

I don't care about how this affects crunchyroll because I don't care about crunchyroll.

>>855928

Has no video about the subject. No need to create boogeymen.

>>856288

>I really doubt someone was sitting in the board room one day looking over the financial reports and said to himself, "Self, you know, we make entirely too much money here. Surely we can afford to blow hundreds of thousands (millions?) on an ideological sham piece created by toxic ideologues that our customers are sure to revile. I mean... what's more important? Making money and keeping ourselves and our partners in a growing stable business - supporting thousands of employees that depend on us for a stable income to support their families... or "being on the right side of history as dictated by a political fashion trend that's already showing signs of being on it's way out."

Why not, it worked great for Sony and DisneyWars. Insult your prior customers and court non existent socjus buku bucks. It's the great path to success paved with gold. Absolute gold.

>>856292

Is Crunchyroll a corportation?

If so, then it's 99% motivated by money in some way.

Has anyone here actually mailed a check or money in an envelope to an animation company?

>>856353

I'll give your last post credence since people are coming out with information how there is no way crunchyroll is actually using funds like they are saying. There is definitely both money laundering and communist ideologue pushing at display here, not one or the other.

>>856288

> actually being so far out of touch with their audience that they think this is something people want.

I am pretty sure that this is actually the case, there is nothing that indicates that Kun Gao or Tom Pickett have any clue about anime.

My bet is that some advisor sold them "progressive & diverse" cartoons as the next big thing.

To be honest I do not think High Guardian Spice is that bad. It looks at least better than Enter's project, Growing Around which isn't saying much.

I wonder if Crunchyroll has committed other scandals. They need to burn like Gawker.

>>854852

>I think it might be best if they got more competition

Why? Why do you need a stream site? I didn't think there /a/ cared about how shit Crunchyroll is, thought we were against a Netflix for anime by concept alone.

I'd be so happy if things could just go back to how they were before Crunchyroll. No rival or replacement

>>858383

This is exactly what we need to do.