/a/ - Animu & Mango

>"Yandere" itself is a term I don't get because I've never seen Yan go Dere. They always only stay sick and needy.

You could say the same for most tsundere too actually.

I don't find it particularly appealing myself so I don't want to claim to know I understand why others like it but then again I'm not into NTR or vore either and that still gets made. People are into weird shit that sometimes you won't get and you just need to get used to that.

>>852313

>>852319

Both tsundere and yandere characters are twisted caricatures, and so people with no sense of subtlety prefer them over the real thing. Of course, in most anime and manga everything is so over-the-top that there is no place for subtlety. E.g. simply having a smart character is not enough, he must be among the best scientists of the world even though he is still in high school.

Personally I would try to fix a yandere so she'll love me without being so dependent on me.

Severe insecurity that wouldn't trust non-obsesive love to be real/last potentially combined with a herbivore nature preffering the more agressive partner which could include sub/dom play.

That and similar to most anime tropes but even more further exacerbated is the ease at which one could read and understand emotions and intentions.

>>852321

>I have read and know everything and there is nothing but extremes

In most cases fair enough but lets not assume everybody has some generic flavour of the month-tier waifu or tastes.

>>852321

I fully get Tsundere, Kuudere and Dandere, but Yandere fucking baffles me. There's not dere involved with Yandere. You don't break through any sort of AT field to reveal a pure maiden, you just get killed to satisfy her lust.

>>852325

I could see how this might be appealing, but I've never once witnessed such a thing.

>>852326

>in most anime and manga everything is so over-the-top that there is no place for subtlety

I guess you have a generic "I will ignore words that don't let me think what I want to think"-tier of reading comprehension.

>>852328

>Both tsundere and yandere characters are twisted caricatures, and so people with no sense of subtlety prefer them over the real thing.

I guess you don't understand how sentences, topics, or absolutes work either in addition to your own advice.

>>852322

>I like it because it usually means I'll get to see a cute psycho go on and edgy murder spree

This is really the only reason I could enjoy it in any way, but it's not like people prefer to choose this route for the interesting edgefest slaughter. When they do it for the girl, I don't get it.

>>852329

Show me a tsundere or yandere character that isn't a twisted caricature of a "loving-but-jealous girl" then.

>>852331

It seems you don't know where Tsundere comes from. Original Tsundere weren't just unstable bitches. It's a term referring to a girl who is tsun to you at first, but over the course of the route, anime, manga, etc. she shows her dere side and you end up breaking through that AT field and ending up with a cute girl who adores you for breaking through to her.

>>852333

>Original Tsundere

Original yandere are jealous, shy girls and usually a bit of a stalker. Nothing like today's cute slasher villains in love.

>>852342

That's not Yandere. Yandere are extremely selfish beings that don't even really love you, just obsessed over being with you.

>>852346

That's a pretty generalized statement that isn't true for many of them. It's not like Mirai Nikki invented that archetype and all of them have to be like the main girl. It's just that it's the one series normalcattle will know "yandere" from.

>to the point where he won't even mind everyone around him dying and being marked for double suicide himself so he can get it.

You can't really say you love your waifu if you don't even want her to be the one who ends your life.

>>852313

>>852327

Kurumi isn't strictly a yandere per

>>852354

's criteria where there is no dere. She actually becomes dere for the protagonist after having wanted to kill him.

sage for irrelevance.

later when I've slept I'll engage some more

>>852319

I think it depends on the author and the work. Some SoL like to have a tsundere-lite character that doesn't really change over the course of the work because it isn't really necessary, some have tsundere's that are heavy on the tsun but light on the dere, and vice-versa. Some have a clear tsun -> dere phase over time while some just switch between the two behaviors.

>>852349

>The dere section is still present

You keep saying this, but I have never once seen an example. Granted, I'm more an animefag than VN or manga. Is there such a thing as a Yandere that isn't a needy shit elsewhere?

>>852354

This.

Honestly, the only way I can see someone liking Yandere if they are Yandere themselves so that they can be needy, jealous and weak together.

A certain type of yandere is great if you've got colossal trust issues and can appreciate a lot of non-violent, non-homicidal creepy behavior.

>>852376

>but I have never once seen an example

Except the ones I gave.

>Is there such a thing as a Yandere that isn't a needy shit elsewhere?

Goalposts. Also 3/4 of my examples had anime. Anon, show me where the yandere touched you. Or are you just a newfag who conveniently wants an example from one of the ~20 anime you've actually seen

If I must spoonfeed examples let me use the aforementioned Amane, she makes herself what she conceives to be the perfect girlfriend for the MC, will cook, clean, act sexual solely for him partially as atonement for early trauma shows complete unrequited love, and would do or act in any way he pleased.

>this is somehow not dere

Miyako, again will do anything, including letting MC go with other women. Will wake MC up with kisses although backs off if he requests, showers with affection and cares only about his happiness above all else.

>this is somehow not dere

Rolo will betray his prior sole purpose in life and sacrifice himself after being used and betrayed, concerned simply with MC being okay and better off due to the love they shared, and as a repayment for their time together.

>this is somehow not dere

Anon, what exactly is it you count as dere, because even generic yanderes have dere moments, I get the feeling you're needlessley twisting definitions for no clear purpose which considering your goalpost moving is highly likely.

>Honestly, the only way I can see someone liking Yandere if they are Yandere themselves so that they can be needy, jealous and weak together.

Only replying to reasons somewhat negative towards yandere and ignoring the various other reasons given, this is some irrational behaviour.

For a board that prides itself on rule 11 related matters people seem to have a real hard time with etymology, not all yanderes are violent psychos, if we want to specify that variety then do so or learn then modern trends are not some eternal absolute and escape newfagdom

>Why do people like this?

Because it's having a dedicated, loving girl, without having to do absolutely fucking anything but existing. It's a trope for weak people, who are sure they can stay faithful to their yandere, without admitting that the only reason that is the case is simply them being incapable of attracting anyone else.

>>852399

I'm no newfag. Stop implying as such. And how am I moving goalposts? I asked sincerely in response to your post because I don't know about those girls and you gave no examples of their behavior. I sincerely never saw a girl with a sickness that can fade or make her into something cute by removing it, only the Mirai Nikki edgefests. Rolo doesn't count.

Your examples don't work in the same way that Tsundere, Dandere, and Kuudere do. With those, MC breaks through their airs and reveals their cute interior. Yandere girls are never cured of their sickness and always remain needy and weak.

>do or act in any way he pleased.

>will do anything, including letting MC go with other women

>betray his prior sole purpose in life and sacrifice himself after being used and betrayed

These are not dere. These are unstable people with no will of their own in contrast to the "generic yanderes" who only have their own will despite what MC wants. They are both sick with no dere moments and definitely no breaking through the yan like MC does with tsun, dan, or kuu. Your examples are just the girls giving in to their yan and doing whatever MC or they themselves want despite anything. This is weak, petty behavior that treats MC as a drug.

I only replied to that one post because the rest were just trying to be funny or were shitposts. Stop trying to grasp at being in the position of talking to an irrational newfag because it's not going to work.

Romantic obsession is cute. Girls killing off everyone who gets near you is also cute. Insane murder rampage is not yandere unless its an extremely corner case. Recent works have tried to add this murder element to yandere. In both mild and extreme cases the girl is insane its just a matter of how insane. Both mild (made a dakimakura of you) and extreme (killed off entire species except you two) insanity are cute so I'm not concerned with one or the other taking over perception of the character type.

>>852325

>wanting to fix a yandere

Check out this loser

>>852408

>These are nor dere.

Again, define your opinion of dere, if it isn't literal loving, acting sweet, and wife-like behaviour, what is ?

>These are unstable people with no will of their own in contrast to the "generic yanderes" who only have their own will despite what MC wants

Except that is completely wrong and all characters mentioned perform actions irrelevant to the MC, have hobbies, interests, and plotlines independant of the MC and act in their own self interest and the interest of unrelated 3rd parties at various points, I did give them as examples for a reason.

>Your examples are just the girls giving in to their yan and doing whatever MC or they themselves want despite anything.

Miyako tearing herself up about leaving the MC to travel abroad so as to mature and better herself by overcoming the extreme elements of her atraction to the MC is giving in to her yan?

Also cherrypicking certain elements of behaviour, what about the other parts, did you not take issue or are you conveniently ignoring the loving-wife like behaviour.

>I asked sincerely in response to your post because I don't know about those girls and you gave no examples of their behavior. I sincerely never saw a girl with a sickness that can fade or make her into something cute by removing it, only the Mirai Nikki edgefests.

You are either lack reading comprehension or are disingenous, you stated you had never seen an example after I had given some and you have only now claimed they aren't fitting of your criteria.

>Show me a...

I show you examples.

>You keep saying this, but I have never once seen an example.

I further extrapolate examples including behaviour.

>I don't know about those girls and you gave no examples of their behavior.

If you wan't to claim it wasn't in-depth enough for your satisfaction, fair enough but to outright deny is provably wrong.

>And how am I moving goalposts?

>Show me X, no X from a media form I view, no X from something I've seen, no X from my specific criteria.

>With those, MC breaks through their airs and reveals their cute interior.

Becuase nobody could like a character for who they are or consider their behaviour cute.

>Yandere girls are never cured of their sickness and always remain needy and weak.

Well I've given you an example to the contrary, strange that for somebody who has seen so little examples of yanderes to be speaking from a position of absolute authority on them though.

Unrelated

>Not bypassing all yandere risk by living the NEET life.

Sage because doublepost

> I sincerely never saw a girl with a sickness that can fade or make her into something cute by removing it,

>With those, MC breaks through their airs and reveals their cute interior.

I believe some of my arguments are more in line with your original comments and not what they have evolved into. Unlike many Tsun, Dan, Kuu, dere's the appeal of a yandere is not, im most cases, breaking through to recieve the dere since it is omnipresent, try considering yandere less a 2 part system and more a singular where the dere is corrupted or simply too extreme leading to instances of changed behaviour. I fear this is unclear perhaps somebody else could explain better.

In effect, yandere's are often not meant to change, although this is not what you initially implied, which was more regarding the extremity of behaviour and subtlties.

>>852419

>I believe some of my arguments are more in line with your original comments and not what they have evolved into.

How has my argument changed? In the OP I claimed that they were needy and unstable yan who never goes dere. Just to be clear, I'm not >>852331

>>852321

I like Tsundere, Kuudere, and Dandere but can't wrap my head around Yandere, which is why I made the thread.

>Unlike many Tsun, Dan, Kuu, dere's the appeal of a yandere is not, im most cases, breaking through to recieve the dere since it is omnipresent, try considering yandere less a 2 part system and more a singular where the dere is corrupted or simply too extreme leading to instances of changed behaviour.

This is what I thought and is what I'm claiming. "Yandere" never breaks from their yan to go dere. There's no AT field. It's not cute. It's just an unstable person that's scary to be around. If you can just say that it's fun to be on your toes like >>852320 I can accept that, but you're claiming something that's not true.

Those girls are not dere because they act that way as a way to fulfill a disturbed obsession, not because they are actually in love.

That spoiler made me pick up Majikoi. I want to see if the legend of a yandere overcoming her yan is true.

>>852443

I Wasn't inferring you were >>852331, I assumed it would be taken as an extension of my above post.

>but you're claiming something that's not true.

You never mentioned what the something is, although I shall try to conextually assume.

>Those girls are not dere because they act that way as a way to fulfill a disturbed obsession, not because they are actually in love.

Can somebody tell me why this thread is filled with narcissists that believe their singular interpreation of vague terms are the only way they can be expressed or exist.

The whole point of a yandere is that their LOVE, their DERE, is what is sick, warped, taken to extreme, etc. Claiming that dere is non-existant and that one individuals opinion on love is an absolute can that be expressed no other way is nonsense. I'll ask you the same question the other guy keeps avoiding, what is your opinion on dere behaviors and genuine love. You argue from a view that love is a singular definable element so do so.

>inb4 No I haven't, it isn't.

Then it is a manner in which genuine love can be expressed.

Their behaviour arises from their love, they would not act in a yandere manner if not for the love, the dere comes first, the elements that cause the yanu may have occured in the past but yandere neccesitates dere to be first, even if the effects occur nigh simultaneously.

Put simply

>yanderes are this, yanderes are that

No, the limited pool you've seen are and I have provided evidence to the contrary, projecting the actions of a shallow few onto the entierety of an archetype is presumtous and innacurate.

>>852442

I hope we get more of Albedo's conflict between loving Momonga but less so the Ainz persona

>>852457

>Albedo's conflict

There's a good chance we'll see more of it in the next volume since Ainz lost the bet and has to play house with her for a year.

I think the appeal is that the girl is damaged in some way, so men who watch or read will instinctively want to protect or help heal her. It's an extension of the frail/naive/innocent archetype so popular in many older works.

>>852313

It's one of those 2D > 3D things. I find yanderes entertaining and sometimes endearing, but I'd never want to actually deal with on personally.

>>852463

Pretty much this. Mind you I still can't stand yandere like Yuno but softer, less completely unstable types I adore. Deep love is best love.

Take Yuno. Stand next to asylum.

"Yuno...the only thing that will make me leave you is if you kill my friends."

Option 1: She goes apeshit. Well, that's what the asylum is for. I might die if they cock up the capture, but she's fuckin hot, so fair risk in my opinion. Option 2: she buys it. Instant near-perfect waifu. One of two anime girls that I know of who respond to the presence of their man with unadulterated delight. Seems to me like 90% of the problems an anime protagonist has with his yandere is simply because he won't look her in the eye and say, "Stop, you're making me angry."

Plus

>I'm tired honey, you mind decapitating all my enemies for me? I just want to relax today.

>Yes dear, I'll do it right away.

Bliss.

Other protagonists are all like, "Oh noes, danger, I will protecc!" I'm way more into, "I'm done sharpening my knives. Are yours good to go?"

Yes, there will be jealousy issues from time to time, but if she has indeed bought the line, then it's not going to be all that far out of the ordinary.

>>852467

He won though. It just wouldn't have suited his goals for him to let the people of the Holy Kingdom know he'd won.

Ow!

I cut myself on all this edge!

>>852703

>Seems to me like 90% of the problems an anime protagonist has with his yandere is simply because he won't look her in the eye and say, "Stop, you're making me angry."

Yeah you can't let your Yandere run wild.

At some point I found this great image set of a Yandere in slasher mode over rumours that her man was with another girl and his response is "You're believing what some other guy said over ME?" and then proceeds to bully her into apology sex.

>>852714

You think Albedo's going to let him get away with that reasoning? Poor bonepile was doom from the start.

>>852313

I find the idea sexually arousing

>>852766

Taming the Yandere is truly an artform.

>>852346

By that logic Rana from Rokudou no Onna-tachi is a yandere.

>>852313

People like it because we want someone that will accept us as we are without having to go out and find a person that we can slowly open up to. The idea of having someone already obsessed with you and knows all your oddities but isn't scared off is very comforting. You are you and they are... let's ignore that bit.

>>855202

What you're probably talking about isn't really yandere, but pure solid yan without a drop of dere.

>>855202

Yandere does suck, anon. I feel your pain.

>>855368

There's those too, obviously, but I think it was yandere in this case.

>tfw no yandere harem show

>>859250

What is Happy Sugar Life? At least unwittingly by Shio. Maybe I'm retarded but are there any loli yanderes that are not gag characters?

Just fucking pop a cap in your yandere if she goes full murder mode. It's not rocket science.

>>852313

Because the sheer intensity is kinda sexy, duh.

That and >>852320 .

>>852972

Yandere Anime/Manga should be like this

>>861218

>intentionally creating a new one

Enjoy getting stabbed by 2 different psychos at a time.

>>861232

>Not fucking the new yanderes

>Not creating a yandere chain/harem to do your bidding

>Not living in constant fear of one of them snapping and killing the others or you

Pleb.

>>861233

Being afraid of them is one thing, intentionally breeding an entire yandere deathsquad is another.

>>859250

Let me point you in the direction of the web novel titled Kuro no Maou then.

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/kuro-no-maou/

>>861678

I still don't know what's what with that story. But I'd want her to be her little boy.