No.840020
Serial Experiments Lain aired exactly 20 years ago. Happy birthday Lain.
No.840021
No.840025
She will never be forgotten.
She will never die.
No.840070
I never got around to finishing it and this thread fills me with despair.
No.840083
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>840020
Happy birthday!
Is this the true reason why article 13 didn't pass?
No.840096
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>840020
REMEMBER WHEN COMPUTERS AND THE INTERNET WERE THIS MYSTERIOUS DOMAIN WITH INTRINSIC RESTRICTIONS THAT HAD A UNIQUE CHARACTER AND FEEL AND THE INTERNET WASN'T JUST ANOTHER NORMALNIGGER IDIOT BOX TV WATERCOOLER 2.0 WHERE PEOPLE WATCH NETFLIX AND TALK ABOUT NETFLIX?
I REMEMBER AND IT'S GONE FOREVER. WE BARELY KNEW IT AND IT'S GONE
FUCK THIS CRUEL WORLD
No.840097
Interesting fact about Serial Experiments Lain.
No.840112
>>840096
it was ruined when TV fuckers tried to turn the internet into the next cable box, they slightly succeeded by putting ads and netflix and shit on the internet.
No.840135
>>840097
It's like he doesn't realize that we had this bullshit as much as he does.
No.840177
>>840096
That is my favorite video of all time. It's amazing, I wish there was more stuff like it.
No.840209
>>840096
Around the time Lain aired, only 3% of the world population had internet.
tfw Lain died for the internet... maybe Lain is about the death of the internet.
No.840210
>>840209
Lain died to bring us the acceleration.
No.840228
>>840209
She is the internet. As it grows, she grows. Let's all love Lain.
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No.840609
Then how old is she now? 35?
No.840612
>>840609
People stop aging after they die, anon
No.840626
>>840096
>you will never experience the wonders of web 1.0 again
No.840656
SEL is the number one show for pretentious fake weebs.
No.840668
>>840097
Yeah, the problem is that westerners understood it just as well as the Japanese. You see, Jap culture today is just western culture with Japanese aesthetics. Post-war Japan was shaped by American culture and policy. So in a way, America invented anime.
No.840670
>>840096
The problem isn't that the internet as it was has been eliminated. It's that it grew to encompass everything you know. This is exactly the future predicted in SEL. You can no longer tell the difference between the real world and the world of the internet. It all meshes together and things that happen in one place have real world effects. Even now, more devices are being hooked up. It won't be long until someone is literally murdered over the internet due to this. Hell, some people have made their entire careers online. Maybe you can get away from it if you go to an island somewhere with no connections or satellite signals.
No.840707
>>840656
Isn't that right? I love it, but the bullshit fan culture around it pisses me right off.
No.840716
>>840656
What about pretentious real weebs?
No.840717
>>840096
>Anime Web Turnpike
HOLY SHIT!
I remember browsing that site on my dial-up connection! That was around the time I discovered what anime, and the internet, truly were for the first time in my young life. And Oekaki BBS; Those boards took me in and solidified the way towards weebdom long before ever knowing about halfchan.
No.840762
LETS ALL LOVE LAIN
>>840070
No time like the present anon
No.840777
>>840668
>western
>culture
Pick one.
No.840779
>>840777
There's no need to pretend to be a Jew her,e anon, we are all friends.
No.840785
>>840668
>Jap culture today is just western culture with Japanese aesthetics
No.840807
>>840668
Reminder the creator of fucking Scrooge McDuck had a huge influence on Tezuka.
No.840809
>>840517
A.I.
It's been forever since I watched Lain and forgot pretty much everything about it
No.840810
>>840785
To be fair, he's not entirely wrong even if his post is hyperbole. The blending of the two cultures is a hot topic in certain circles, particularly Japanese nationalists/anti-globalists, and some people are pretty touchy about the risk of losing Japan's national identity the more westernized they become. Everything from the different clothes and housing styles to celebrating holidays that aren't theirs and have no real history in the country. Even the language is a mix of nip and gairaigo so it's hard to avoid western culture creeping in.
No.840821
>>840810
That's one thing, saying they're the same isn't hyperbole, it's just retarded.
Japanese culture is still very much present in the attitudes of the people, especially when it comes to things like social interaction and workplace politics, and I'd say that dictates where the society is going more than just the purely aesthetic aspects like clothing and architecture, which are much more readily subject to change and adaptation over time anyway. Japan seems to be good at adapting western ideas and aesthetics and putting their own unique twist to make them better or more palatable to their existing sensibilities rather than just lifting them wholesale like a lot of countries with a weak culture do.
No.840823
>>840821
Perhaps it should also be clarified that the poster is probably talking about the more traditional side of Japan rather than its modern culture.
>Japan seems to be good at adapting western ideas and aesthetics and putting their own unique twist to make them better or more palatable to their existing sensibilities rather than just lifting them wholesale like a lot of countries with a weak culture do.
Mhm, well-said. Assimilation and expansion aren't the same as conversion. Thank you for expanding.
No.840848
>>840823
I always see the only remaining parts of their culture they practice to be entirely superficial. They go about their heavily westernized lives, and then occasionally dress up and play pretend, as if they haven't been massively subverted. Their attitude towards work is just how all eastern Asians are, not exactly a product of their own culture.
No.840856
>>840848
Yeah, highly westernized lives those Japanese have, like spending literally their entire childhood at school, cram school or at home doing homework.
Stop talking out of your ass, retard.
No.840859
>>840856
>Yeah, highly westernized lives those Japanese have, like spending literally their entire childhood at school, cram school or at home doing homework.
That's Eastern Asian neuroticism. They're mentally fucked up, yes, but that's not a sign they still have any culture. That's just a sign they're still, racially, Asians.
>Stop talking out of your ass, retard.
>We drive our kids to suicide over gradeschool
>That one thing means we still have our culture!
retard
No.840861
>>840859
Your idiotic point was that their culture is westernized, and now you're saying "well of course it isn't, they're Asian". You are a moron.
Your point was not that they don't have culture at all. And if it is now that you've moved your goalposts then congratulations, you're an even bigger moron, because something that obviously wrong is not worth debating.
No.840884
>>840656
I haven't watched a Show in 2 years, should I not watch it?
>>840717
Must have been a very interesting time.
I am just as old as the Show itself, somehow I feel to old to be watching anime, what am I doin wrong?
No.840890
>>840630
Watching that whole thing hurt my eyes. Got me thinking what if someone made an ASCII GPU wrapper? If everything on screen was displayed in ASCII it would be neat. Of course use smaller text font though.
No.840891
>>840861
> Your idiotic point was that their culture is westernized, and now you're saying "well of course it isn't, they're Asian". You are a moron.
No, I'm saying they've lost their culture. Of course they're genetically inclined to act neurotic. That's not part of their culture, that's just genetics.
>moved your goalposts
Learn to write like a goddamn human. I know you've seen an infographic arming you will a dozen logical fallacies to misuse, but if you want to be taken seriously, you need to actually articulate what you're saying instead of pulling out abstract weasel words. Fucking idiot
No.840893
>>840096
I'm too young to know this feel. Unless you count the early 2000's internet, and OS runescape. It was still alright then.
tfw I'm actually starting to get old now
That video is from 20 years ago.
No.840897
>>840893
How do you deal with the Feeling of aging?
I am not really old, yet I already feel tired.
What can I do?
No.840903
>>840897
Workout aerobically at 70% of your maximum heart rate (Typically 160 - your age is a good rule of thumb so if you are 40 then your heart rate should be at around 120) 20-30 minutes daily. If you overtrain and become sore then you overdid it. Consistency is key here.
Breathe and stimulate your lymphatic system. Your body cleanses itself by breathing and physical movement.
Eat more water rich vegetables and cut down on alcohol/coffee.
Do this and you will experience energy you never thought possible because you are conditioning your cells to be more active in the same manner you get a tan by consistently exposing yourself to sun.
No.840907
>>840096
The song choices are my favourite part of this video, I love the Nadia opening and it suits the feel perfectly.
No.840925
>>840821
>saying they're the same isn't hyperbole
But that's not what I said, retard. The core of Japanese culture revolves around western socioeconomic practices. All the other stuff is just decoration. At its core, Japanese society is functionally no different from western society. Hell, even then, more Japense are having Christian weddings than ever, live in western-style houses, and dress like westerners. They imitate western musical sounds, and produce stories with concepts like romantic love, which is something introduced from the west. Face it, America gangbanged Japan into copying our culture from the post-war period. It may seem a bit different, but that difference is only superficial.
No.840937
>>840925
There are fundamental cultural differences between Japan and the west that go deeper than any of the shit you describe, and even those traits inherited from the west are usually changed in the process. Japan isn't the same as it was before the war, but the changes are mostly the ones owed to modernization and technological evolution that we see all around the developed world, rather than specifically the US's influence.
If you genuinely think there isn't a fundamental difference in Japanese and western, specifically American "culture", you just haven't looked hard enough.
No.840940
>>840937
>There are fundamental cultural differences between Japan and the west that go deeper than any of the shit you describe
Name them.
No.840948
>>840940
>shame and saving face
>appreciation for tradition and traditional values
>downplayed importance of the individual as opposed to the whole
>high value placed on science and education
>long history of cultural development mostly unperturbed by negative outside influences
>racial and cultural homogeneity
To name a few I can be bothered to spoonfeed you. Note how most of these if not all of them are the actual opposite of American "culture" (IE the dominant western "culture") in particular.
No.840949
Roasting in one in a lifetime bread.
No.840977
I remember I read like a comment or forum post somewhere about how Lain is the actual, abrahamic god, and made a bunch of connections between them, I should go dig it up. It blew my mind when I read it.
No.842066
>>840856
Their school system is Western, technically it's just old world 19th century western. They're still using the rigour of the Prussian military academic system because it actually works unlike the lax touchy-feely subversion introduced into the modern west after the boomer's cultural revolution in the 60s.
No.842296
>>840949
Oh shoot I didnt even read anything up until you, cool stuff. The moment is now. uhh, I'm not gonna say anything though, my life is kind of lame. But I have a ton of picture of Lain saved! I'l dump them all now.
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No.842301
>>842300
Let's all love Lain.
No.842302
LainChan representin, deal with it
No.842306
Is Lain watching over me? Will she assure my happiness? How can I help her?
No.842320
Lain is kind, Lain is smart, Lain always tries her best, Lain wants to help her friends, Lain enjoys comfy pajamas, Lain wants a close relationship with her parents, Lain doesn't want power, Lain wants everyone to be happy; together.
No.842400
>>842302
LainChan is hella comfy, just a little slow for my taste.
No.842583
>>842400
Too much action rots the mind
No.842595
>>840948
>shame and saving face
We get these phrases from East Asian culture, but that's only because we never bothered to codify it. People naturally behave differently in different situations, and both individuals and organizations are forced to maintain a public image. Ever see a company CEO step down because he did something that would bring shame to the company? That's it.
>appreciation for tradition and traditional values
You pretend that's universal. It's not. Nor, in fact, is it entirely absent in the west - You go to areas of the Bible Belt, to a Tejano family in Texas, and so forth, you find people who still maintain their traditions. Or the Amish. There's also certain western traditions that you simply take for granted, as a westerner, and don't even consider to be traditions.
>downplayed importance of the individual as opposed to the whole
This is actually fairly accurate, but it's something that's becoming increasingly less dramatic. There's a lot of cultural pushback in Japan against collectivism, and in favor of individualism, as a result of exposure to western ideology. You'd be retarded to say it's as strong now as it was 20-30 years ago.
>high value placed on science and education
Pretty much everyone who isn't black puts value in those things here, as well. The problem isn't what people want, but what the governing bodies want. Education is ran poorly here, because of corporate interests. The fact that home-schooling and private education are becoming increasingly common as the public system deteriorates should evidence people's actual feelings. Further, in some ways, education is over-valued - College degrees or high school diplomas are required for jobs where none of that information is in the least bit relevant to actually completing the task.
>long history of cultural development mostly unperturbed by negative outside influences
First, this isn't a fundamental cultural difference. Second - This is no longer true, and hasn't been since WWII.
>racial and cultural homogeneity
This is true. Though I would stress that saying there is only a single Japanese culture is also false - There are plenty of sub-cultures, some historical, some modern. It's ignorant to boil an entire nation down to a single culture, especially one that old and that populated. Though, I would add the same applies to the west - There are at least six distinct culturally distinct geographic regions in the United States alone.
There is a difference between culture, but core values are far more similar now than 20 years, 40 years, 80 years, or 160 years ago. Japan didn't freeze itself in time, nor is it actively trying to - It takes in what's beneficial, and pushes out what isn't. The push-back against collectivism and adoption of the market economy result from the fact that these are literally superior in every way for remaining competitive.
As for Lain - It's pre-social media online culture. If you to 2chan, 8chan, or cheekibreekichan, you'll see a shitload of things in common. All? No. But more than, say, the actual bridge between cultures, or even the bridge between the source site and its social media equivalent (in the case of the west).
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No.843081
I could never finish shows that make no sense like Lain and Texhnolyze.
No.843110
>>843081
Those shows were not for people with bad taste so its a win win really
No.843127
will Despera ever get made lads?
No.843187
>>840903
I will thank this anon until the thread dies!
No.843267
>>840020
Happy birthday.
>>840656
I can't say I'm fond of people quoting the intro time and time again, but it's a damn good show. Its anniversary deserves celebration.
No.843403
some nice lains in this thread
No.843415
Happy birthday. With how Lain is being treated lately this thread is a breath of fresh air.
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No.843513
>>843415
What do you mean?
No.843529
>>840977
Was it about Lain trying to experience something like her creations, humans, but couldn't properly, because we are only created after her own image and not exactly the same, so it all was just some scenario she played in her head.
No.844994
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Here's an interview with ABe, the character designer for SE:L.
No.845132
Even as a technology she'd be old and busted by now.
No.848132
How does this make you feel?
No.848180
>>840020
Present Time... Present Day.. Ahahahahaaaaa
No.848198
>>848132
I like this Lain.
No.852769
Lain is much more than God, his existence exceeds our understanding.
No.852781
Hated this show for trying to throw as many 2deep4u ideas as possible and barely touching any. 2/10 atmosphere was decent
No.852801
>>844994
So this guy was the oracle for the Lain manifestation in our world.
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No.854119
>>840890
>ASCII GPU wrapper
You could probably nigger-rig it with virtual machines and a video player. I think QEMU lets you output video to a pipe or something of the sort, I really don't remember. From then on just use your video tool with a text option like mpv or ffmpeg.
>>840668
America created anime, but with nukes. Anime takes a lot of ideas and cues about germanic ideals from around the ww2 times.
Pretty much every pure anime girl is represented as a germanic maiden down to the most minute of details.
What we're watching is best described as "the radioactive admixture of germanic and japanese ideals in visual form". Before Japan really developed its style, the visuals of anime were basically that of western animation of the era, but they didn't look like american animation. They were more like something central european.
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No.854137
>>852781
I just finished it, and while I didn't hate it, I can't help but agree. It had some very interesting themes: the internet as a real world, the exchange of information as a form of life in itself, the intersection between /tech/ and /fringe/. None of this stuff was truly elaborated though. It seemed like these ideas were mainly used for their aesthetic quality. I'm open to the possibility that I'm just a dumb fuck because there was much I didn't understand. Why did everyone love Lain? Why did she decide to prevent the merging of reality and the wired? Why did her pretend sister go insane? What did the scene with Lain talking to her dad in the sky mean?
No.854324
>>854137
Did you get that Lain is not real in a physical sense?
Because if not you missed the biggest plot twist and you should watch it again.
No.854335
>>854324
I understood that Lain was some kind of AI or manifestation of the Wired's consciousness, and that she was put in a body, given a fake family, friends, and identity in an effort to contain her. I'll probably rewatch it even if that's the correct gist of it. I'm sure there's a lot I didn't notice.
No.854358
>>854335
It's been many years since I watched it, but Lain is isn't the manifestation of the internet. She is the opposite of "manifestation". She is a personification of something without a solid body, even her old body isn't entirely real.
Towards the end, when her real body dissolved completely she only lives in the moments when someone remembers her. That's why she constanty relives the moment entering school, or when her father enters her room. The moments get more and more distorted as the memories fade/are effected by emotion. Only after her battle with god does she underatand that her personality is who she is.
At least that's how I interpreted it. It's been too many years for me to properly remember. I am going to have to watch it again.
No.854365
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much sex would you like to have with Arisu?
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No.854433
I liked Lain when I first watched it, but the sad truth of the matter is that the show has lost very much of its appeal since the internet has evolved into something which is no longer connected via mutual hyperlinks. Back then, there still where pages which you plainly could not find unless you knew the exact pages directing to them, making the entire thing a bit of a labyrinth (people who put up a homepage - if anyone remembers what that means - and got frequent requests by visitors to put up links to their respective one will understand the meaning of this).
Meanwhile, today's internet is no longer a maze, but a platform where automated search engines will find literally anything you seek in less than second, barring stuff such as cheese pizza or somesuch that you should not seek unless you want to treat the FBI to some free drinks.
Lain represented the mystery element of the early internet. Something of which people did not really think where it would lead them too. With the advent of Web 2.0 and especially the entire social media bullshit - stuff which allowed everyone and his mom to access the net, as opposed the cryptic group of social outcasts that it housed before - this secret has been lost forever. At the very fucking best, the closest thing you still can get to this experience is some ARG website, and even then, it probably is just an elaborate advertising stunt from your local soft drink company.
No.855482
>>854433
Aww shit man, this is sad. So is VR the new internet?
No.855494
>>855482
>VR
>Being anything other than a hub for rich normalfags
VR was poisoned before it could ever take off. VR IS the next step in social media. It's being designed specifically to allow people to socialize without showing their face in public, and it will soon be used by tech companies as a virtual office to force people who work from home to be in constant access/surveillance in the near future.
No.855514
>>855494
Why does so many things related to tech have to get destroyed?
No.855586
>>855514
When you've got a certain group of people obsessed with controlling every aspect of your life, its only natural they'll normalize garbage like "social media".
No.855604
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Reminder to watch Lain on a tube TV like God intended.
No.855608
>>855604
>tfw born too late to watch Lain on a CRT
>tfw born too early to watch Lain on NVCT analog TVs of the future
https://archive.fo/KW3Ld
No.856277
>>855604
>dub
Why do people keep doing this?
>>855608
You can always buy a CRT, anon.
>NVCT
I'm ready.
No.856318
All will love, let her love, love is her.
No.856331
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>Despera will never come out of development hell
>Digimon Tamers 2018 got cucked out by retarded Adventurefags who wanted more garbage like Tri
Why?
Is Konaka cursed in some way?
No.859526
The glory of Lain is eternal.
No.859689
>>855608
>tfw born in the wrong timeline to watch Lain on a SED
A-at least there'll be electro-emissive Quantum dot displays soon, r-right?
No.859696
>>844994
This is a very interesting story, thank you. As a side question, does anyone know what kind of tool he is using at ~12:00? I thought it was a brush at first but it looks like graphite or charcoal.
No.859698
>>856331
>>Digimon Tamers 2018 got cucked out by retarded Adventurefags who wanted more garbage
The sad thing is that Konaka wants to continue Tamers, but he isn't sure if it's possible in the current anime industry.
Fuck Toei and Bandai for continuing Adventure, which was bascially unsalvageable after 02.
No.861134
I've watched this anime 3 times and still don't understand half of it, there was no reason for her to anhero
No.861139
>>861134
And you don't seem to understand
No.861150
And in that time Konaka Yamaki hasn't done shit. What the fuck?
No.861179