/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>816948

Kenichi, definitely. His whole deal is that he's got absolutely no talent for martial arts whatsoever, at all. The only reason he's ever won any battle is because he has the world's greatest martial artists teaching him, and they absolutely drill every skill into him using the most Spartan methods. In fact, they demonstrate this in a chapter using Go(or was it Shogi?) to display that practice can exceed genius if applied hard enough.

>>816948

What does that have to do with killing gobs?

Literally one punch man.

He started working out for the fun of it, and became a superhuman who can effortlessly beat anyone in a single strike.

100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squats, 10km running and a proper diet EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Baki, obviously.

>>817079

Why the fuck are nips so obsessed over talent vs effort?

There's this one scene in Yu Yu Hakusho where Genkai is making Yusuke climb a cliff and then she starts punching him in the dick. Always makes me laugh.

>>817183

Inferiority complex toward westerners.

>>817183

Only way to justify spending 16 hours a day 6.5 days a week ass-kissing your superiors who got their positions by being older than you and still only getting the same results as a 8 hour day run by an efficient company. Gotta start indoctrinating them early or they might form labor unions.

Unfortunately it's probably the only way Japan can operate and not end up a shithole like Korea with China so close by though.

>>817183

Why is putting in effort considered bad and useless by Westerners?

>>817183

I don't see what's wrong with that. It's better than telling kids they're so smart or talented so they stop trying and get wrecked when life hits them hard.

West makes it seem like every big "genius" was born with knowledge in their field and barely put in effort, while in real life effort and luck are still more important no matter how talented you are.

>>817207

>Why is putting in effort considered bad and useless by Westerners?

could you give an example of this?

>>817207

>>817242

Missing the point. It's a recurring theme in japanese media to the point of being a fixation, while in western media it doesn't get addressed nearly as often or as prominently.

>>817193

>work harder, not smarter

I'm glad I'll never be a salaryman.

>>817256

>French and Italian work laws, for example. They work short hours and firing anyone is nearly impossible because of unions.

And these Yuropoor brag about it, better work a nice job than slave a government job of 32 hours a week + 1 month of vacation.

>>817256

Name of novel?

>>817256

Thanks Dad. One wrong move and his magic circuit making would have killed him.

>>817398

Anon, please.

>>817379

or you could be like Canada where government work is less hours, pays more, usually has benefits and has more holidays where as industry is shit

>>817379

This only became a problem when Free Trade made French and Italian workers compete with Asiatic Slaves. Then it became cheaper to produce there and export, of course.

Just reverse it and the jobs come back.

>>817536

The most intense training regime of all time. So legendary that few people survive even one day.

>>817183

There is vs.

You need both to reach the top.

"trainings from hell" are a silly trope because pushing your body too hard has severe consequences that 99.9% of hero/shonen stories never address.

Professional top athletes retire early because their bodies can't take it anymore and start breaking down - usually the joints and spine are the first to go. But heroes end up pushing their bodies 200% every day and it never bites them in the ass.

I liked how the Batman movie actually addressed the issue.

>>816948

>Spartan Training

You mean getting molested?

>effort vs talent

Talent is just word describing the combination of potential and rate of progression per unit of effort expended.

You can have all the Talent in the world and it won't mean shit if you don't put any effort in.

And conversely, if you don't have any talent, you will never reach the top, no matter how much effort you expend.

>>817815

Where are the loli and shota Dojin of this?

>>816948

Every shounen protag ever

>>818049

This was surprisingly good. It's tagged as harem, but MC seems to be actively trying to avoid senpai's love. Also it's nice to see an isekai where the MC wasn't just given OP powers or that has retarded RPG mechanics in real life shit.

>effort vs talent

Having natural talent/strength means living an easy life, where effort always pays off. Effort is a form of gambling, where a value judgment is made on the future, with not just time and energy, but also blame being wagered. For a talented person to lose a single bet is no big deal, because they start off with such an advantage anyway; tomorrow is just another day.

By contrast, the untalented person is betting on a much less valuable future, with much greater risks. Repeated losses are much more painful, and the resulting goal reassessment toward more modest outcomes introduces the perception that any outcome at all may not be worth the investment. This causes immense frustration, which the Japanese, coming from a much harder society, are seemingly acutely aware of.

tl;dr the talented life is an easy life, and worthy of preservation against death. The untalented life is difficult and fruitless, and ought not exist to begin with.

>>818094

The problem with talent is they'll have a much harder time to go further beyond what they're capable of due to their high self-efficacy,to find someone with talent that doesn't look like they're an empty husk ain't that difficult

>>818094

>>818121

The talented and the untalented have different problems. Talented people can end up crashing and burning once they hit their easy-road limit and have to learn how to work their ass off like the untalented. On the other hand, the untalented have to work their ass off from the very beginning and often fail to get anywhere at all. The former requires humility from someone who never needed it until a certain point; that story can be difficult to tell in a way that people will sympathize with. In contrast, the latter is something everyone who has ever encountered difficulty can sympathize with and thus is the standard underdog story for every mangaka in Japan.

>>818094

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that you just so happen to consider yourself as falling into that pool of talented people, and everyone else that either disagrees with you or you feel has wronged you in some way, however minor, as belonging to the second category despite the very probable chance that many of those people have either accomplished more than you by simply making an effort to succeed, or possess a deeper sense of self-fulfillment than you even though you see yourself as "better", ego-kun

>>817842

>There is no reason Shokugeki no Soma has to go this way, it's a fucking cooking manga.

>cooking manga

>people still fall for this ruse

>>818194

>despite the very probable chance that many of those people have either accomplished more than you by simply making an effort to succeed

>implying an untalented person's effort could ever amount to anything

>>818197

If talent is the willingness to make and break habits, then anyone without talent is hopeless.

>>817256

Based Shirou.

>>818179

>that story can be difficult to tell in a way that people will sympathize with.

This

Deus ex machina material or just plain OP since the beginning characters are always either side characters, retired, rival, and so forth, it's very very rare for them to be the protag or just have the spotlight in general

>>818248

>Deus ex machina material or just plain OP since the beginning characters are always either side characters

Depends on the genre as Isekai will commonly have this type of main character nowadays.

>>818049

I love how you could actually see the progress he made, remember how fucking skinny he was when he first came, damn I wish I had healing ability so I could easily push my muscles to the limits and then instant-gain usingheal

>>818250

>there will always be an eishun better than you

Oh yeah forgot about that, so far only seen more than maybe five isekai manga that actually has the mc meet someone a lot more skilled than him but isn't a bad guy

>>817082

Strength training

>>819342

He still isn't that much stronger than the average gob though.

>>818051

>>818049

You have piqued my interest.

>>820858

read the ten chapters I could find. its not bad but i cant really say how good it is until the first arc is finished.

>>817183

>Why the fuck are nips so obsessed over talent vs effort?

Are they?

In 99,99% of asian fantasy I've read the protagonist just gets his powers with 0 effort while most western fantasy follows the farmboy to hero route.

>>821030

I think the difference is how it's portrayed. If characters have to train like hell to get their powers, the mangaka will most likely do a training arc while in western comics you'll get one page saying "And thus, he trained like hell until he was the best at everything" without really showing the trials and tribulations the character suffered.

>>821060

>rockytrainingmontage.webm

>>817207

Luddite detected