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 No.814251

Haven't had a thread in a while about AI and how it will impact the anime industry or media in general. For a long time we've fantasized what kinds of things AI would do for the benefit of our chinese cartoons even way before machine learning was popular. I think that it is finally starting to take off and we are finally seeing the first glimmers into the future.

This is a rudimentary but successful proof of concept that it is possible to train machines to produce desired visual media. Right now it works well with short descriptive sentences but in the future it can become much more powerful. This means that it will be possible to merely type up what you want in an anime and see it come to fruition. But why stop there? Feed it a previously created light novel or a ridiculous fan fiction 2 years worth and gaze at the manifestation of autism. This can probably also extend into games, modeling, 3d printing, etc. What do you think of this?

 No.814262

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While the west is busy mass producing Hanna Barbera cartoons, the japanese are busy creating CGI monstrosities.


 No.814270

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If this gets used for anything it'll just be the next goanimate or something similar. I could maybe see shounenshit cashcows using it in some dystopian future, but I don't think anyone is ever really going to appreciate animation or any art for that matter that isn't made by a living, conscious, emotional creature. Regardless of how the technology develops, AI has fundamental problems that make it incapable of producing art of any quality aside from the novelty of being made by a computer.

AI are made to solve problems. Art isn't a problem. You could make a very clever algorithm that can create art that's optimized based on the consumer's preferences (because that's basically what big entertainment corporations do anyway), but people will still get bored. They will never create anything particularly interesting, even if you allow it to randomize things. It takes the slight insanity that comes with being human to make good art.


 No.814275

>>814262

I don't like Miyazaki. His inability to comprehend technology makes him an out of touch insane old man. CGI is shit but with enough decades of it becoming indistinguishable from hand draw, it will be the opposite of a monstrosity. CGI shouldn't be used for this reason at this point in time and it's only used for completely different reasons, because it's cheaper.

>>814270

You completely misunderstood the point. If this tool ever becomes good enough, it wouldn't create art in its own right. It's merely a tool to channel and manifest what human art is. The machine is not creating the script. This is no different then how we have evolved our tools for drawing. Chisels, pencils, wacom tablets, these are tools that we tell how to create a work of art. They do not produce art directly. That's not its job and that's why you missed the point. They are medians.


 No.814538

>>814275

Except it needs art already created with traditional means as an input before it can start shuffling it around to create "new" scenes. That's no different from GoAnimate, and who takes that seriously?


 No.814542

>>814275

Insane is an inappropriate word to use there. His rejection of what he's seeing, and his failure to connect the farther reaching implications of this technology it to his own work or anime as a whole, is easier for us to understand than it is for him on his end. Therefore, in actuality your rejection of him demonstrates a greater lack of comprehension than his rejection of the technology.


 No.814568

The day that AI can produce creative works is the day when AI gain legitimate inarguable souls, and humanity becomes completely irrelevant.

But I don't see that happening for centuries, at least. Machine learning and copying of a "style" is one thing, but true artwork is beyond the realm of possibility for a program at this time and for any foreseeable future.

>>814275

For animation in particular, I can see an AI being used to do menial shit like producing in-betweens, compositing, timing, maybe even coloring if it's based on an established model (so basically the program is just doing color-by-number). It'll be literally no different from how it is now, except instead of outsourcing this work to Koreans or whatever, they'll have a computer program do it. It would be NICE if such a thing would allow for better use of the anime's budget and thus a better product; but who the fuck are we kidding. This is the 21st century, the only thing that will happen is the company CEOs will pocket a few hundred million more yen, and the anime will keep getting shittier and shittier.


 No.814575

>>814542

That doesn't make any sense. Elaborate.


 No.814592

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AI is already being used by big studios for simulating crowds. Animating each character in a crowd individually isn't always feasible so those background characters are simulated. It's still mostly controlled and fine tuned by the animator though. I remember reading a memo about the crowds of rats in Ratatouille being simulated, and I was told by a college professor who knew a guy that crowd simulation was used extensively in Monsters University. I know it's not the most reliable source but it's what I've got.

>>814262

The west is also busy making cactus rabbits and corn armadillos. 15 minutes in.


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>>814275

>His inability to comprehend technology makes him an out of touch insane old man.

Exactly how? Also, you're not understanding this from his point of view, and the others who don't as well, I have found to be despicable people, in some vein or other. Unfortunately, despicable people seem to be in the majority.


 No.814606

Humans are really not as special as people here think. The overwhelming majority of human artistic endeavors, including most famous works, are entirely formulaic and derivative, created in an attempt to maximize profit. The remaining "true art" is mostly crap, because it turns out that having a strong emotional desire to put your feelings on paper is largely uncorrelated with possessing any artistic skill. Humans are just another kind of machine, and art is just another problem to be solved.

That said, I very much doubt that we're going to see AIs creating anime from scratch any time soon. The slow, expensive parts of creating anime are the animation, voice acting, and music, all of which will only require a small initial input from a human. There will be a human director writing the script, giving "stage directions", and offering their opinion on musical styles and atmosphere, while all of the grunt work which requires minimal creativity will be done by computers.

Sage because this is the hundredth time we've had this same thread, and there are more fun things to have on the front page.




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