/a/ - Animu & Mango

Yes.

Anime as a art form is dead. Why do you think people JJ are getting involved.

>>784056

What do you think Japanese animators use? Their feet? Mouse and keyboard?

Of course hand drawn animation isn't dead.

>>784060

>Its cheaper and shit holes like Toei can outsource to S. Korea or India now.

>now

They've always outsourced.

>>784079

>The My Little Pony Movie

>>784088

>Not to be a fag and quote the Incredibles, but Syndrome's hero line always helped me draw parallels to the current state of anime. "When everyone's super, no one will be..."

You're not really helping disprove >>784068 .

>>784056

Not as long as some studios stay afloat. LWA had no 3d shit. I dont think FranXX does either.

I don't think it will ever die completely. Maybe become much less common with 3D CGI being cheaper and easier to make, but there will always be interest in hand drawn 2D animation.

Hell, give enough time and it could become widespread again, some stuff is cyclical, what was old can be new once again.

>>784093

Yes, FranXX does. It was extremely obvious during the graduation scene.

>>784094

How have I not seen this before? Holy shit.

>>784092

I can't help it if a line makes sense to me. Never said I hated anime, but I see the trends that I see.

>>784098

Except that line is stupid anyway. It implies your enjoyment of anime comes from a hipster-ish desire to be a fan of something "underground" and "niche" rather than an enjoying it for it's own sake. If everything was anime it wouldn't make the good anime which exists any less good.

No, but it's declining and will never approach the pearl of the past.

>>784103

Your opinion, seems like you just want to argue. Go watch Berserk 2017 or Toji no Miko to see what modern tech and trends have done anime.

>>784103

>It implies your enjoyment of anime comes from a hipster-ish desire to be a fan of something "underground" and "niche" rather than an enjoying it for it's own sake

>hipster-ish desire

Not him but it goes with out saying more popularity means more commercialization regardless of the medium. >>784106 put it well the age of artur cinema is over.

>>784103

When anime expands and gets Netflixed, new audiences will flock. These new audiences, who previously didn't watch anime, will change the target and creative process of anime creation.

So, when new people watch something they didn't before, they'll create demand for something which wasn't done before.

Are you following? This is dispossession, the anime fanbase is rather small, just imagine it being flooded with peoples who watch series, soon Studios will start catering to them, changing anime.

This process will cannibalise the medium and create a bubble, rising prices of production, for instance, which will make it impossible for "purist studios" to even stay afloat by pandering to the classic anime audience, a.k.a. us. This isn't even speculation and have already happened in other industries.

Really, people have no market knowledge, no historical knowledge and can't even make inferences bigger than one degree.

It's like that imbecile defending Netflix in the Violet Evergarden thread, people who can't see beyond their own noses, the here and now, who live in a fucking self-bubble of receiving, instead of getting.

>>784097

The mecha and the dino thing clearly aren't though

>>784117

Except we don't matter, Japan does. And as stated earlier animation is not "small" in Japan.

>>784117

>receiving, instead of getting.

Wow that's deep.

>>784118

The best is when people point out examples of shit animation from recent years, as if there haven't always been shitty, low budget train wrecks full of QUALITY.

>>784118

>>784122

And it doesn't matter, only profits.

And yes, in the West it is small, that's precisely what's the conversation was about, I don't know why you needed to mention Japan.

>>784131

>I don't know why you needed to mention Japan.

I know right why the hell would anyone ever bring up Japan in discussion about anime production.

>>784117

> the anime fanbase is rather small,

You have no clue what you are talking about.

>It's like that imbecile defending Netflix in the Violet Evergarden thread

Except, I just stated the fact that Netflix isn't on the production committee, which any person who can read can confirm.

Pulling facts out of your ass to fit your narrative seems to be your thing.

>>784136

>I just stated the fact that Netflix isn't on the production committee

Who cares if they were they are just another media company.

>>784135

This is about Anime getting so popular in the West it would flood and outnumber the current viewership. Including the Japanese one.

I don't think you understand how much more populous the rest of the world is (Netflix reach) in comparison of a single country.

Anime isn't even that popular in Japan, this is a fake image anime projects.

>>784136

Netflix is funding anime right now, this creates inflation of production, pandering and outright bootlicking and manipulation.

Again, you're one of those idiots.

>>784141

>West it would flood and outnumber the current viewership. Including the Japanese one.

Cool maybe I will meet more people with the same interests as me.

>Netflix is funding anime right now

What makes them worse or better than any other production company?

To play devil's advocate, the one definite problem with western interests having more control over anime production is that we'll see more and more censorship of lolicon.

Then again, that ship has already mostly sailed as far as anime goes, and I can't see the western market getting their claws into the doujinshi scene any time soon.

>>784144

>Cool maybe I will meet more people with the same interests as me.

Except they don't. Studios will change anime to cater to them.

This already happened.

Not only in various other industries, but to anime itself - it changed to adapt to a new consumer, older guys with money who wanted ecchi. If you compare the target audiences of the past decades, you will see that anime changed when the target changed.

This is obvious, not only in a common sense view, but in market economics.

>What makes them worse or better than any other production company?

They're an ideologic propaganda machine. Where were you in the past years? Living in a self-bubble I presume.

>>784149

>They're an ideologic propaganda machine

So what are the subliminal messages or whatever in Violet Evergarden?

>>784152

There are none, he's just a assblasted cross boarder.

>>784152

You don't know how those things work, right? But well, the blatant Neocolonial bash is one.

Also, go watch Neo Yoko, wouldn't you?

>>784153

>There are none, he's just a assblasted cross boarder.

Please, you're not invited.

>>784141

>Netflix is funding anime right now,

This was about Violet Evergarden, and in that case they didn't fund the anime.

If you're incapable of reading credits, then I can't help you.

>This is about Anime getting so popular in the West it would flood and outnumber the current viewership

You act like it's Netflix's primary goal is to change anime, and not just to get a leg into the Japanese market.

If you had any actual knowledge about the industy, then you would know that China is a much bigger market than the West.

>They're an ideologic propaganda machine. Where were you in the past years? Living in a self-bubble I presume.

Nice, that you confirm that you're a filthy normalfag crossboarder.

>>784156

>But well, the blatant Neocolonial bash is one.

I don't really care. Feel free to accuse me of whatever.

>>784157

>This was about Violet Evergarden, and in that case they didn't fund the anime.

They did.

>If you're incapable of reading credits, then I can't help you.

This doesn't prevent them from funding. Actually, their broadcasting rights are also funding.

>You act like it's Netflix's primary goal is to change anime, and not just to get a leg into the Japanese market.

But it is. They themselves announced the production and partnership of about 80 animes in 2018 alone. Their platform is mostly western as well.

Again, go watch Neo Yoko.

>If you had any actual knowledge about the industy, then you would know that China is a much bigger market than the West.

Not at all, China is a huge market by brute numbers but it's minuscule if you're talking about per capta power (about 4 times smaller than the US alone, not counting other Western economies).

So no, the individual guy in China is not a consumer, it doesn't have the power, that's why even Chinese companies prefer to export than to sell domestically.

>Nice, that you confirm that you're a filthy normalfag crossboarder.

You know, you're pretty retarded.

>>784160

I'm going to accuse you of hating anime.

>>784161

Anon, the Chinese anime market is already bigger than the Western anime market.

>They did.

You're literally making things up to fit your narrative.

>This doesn't prevent them from funding. Actually, their broadcasting rights are also funding.

Perhaps you should shut up about a topic, when you clearly have no clue about how anime production works.

Maybe you could research things to enlighten yourself, but I suppose this goes beyond your mental capabilities.

>partnership of about 80 animes in 2018 alone

Also known as licensing,the only Western company often involved in the funding process is Crunchyroll.

This might change with the rise of actual Netflix funded anime, but the current situation is that Crunyroll has much more influence in the anime industry.

> go watch Neo Yoko.

Isn't an anime >>>/co/.

Wow, never knew I could get AIDS from a thread on /a/. Nice job everyone.

>>784141

Japs don't care aboutwestern viewers. They sell rights in single payment sort of deals so if the anime is successful or not doesn't matter. Like every facet of nip society they don't cater to foreigners.

>>784197

That's what happens when we don't ban crossboarders on sight.

>>784056

As much as I love the fluidity and art direction of Metropolis, something about the character designs always made me feel uncomfortable.

Majority of anime is still animated by hand on paper but that paper is scanned in and the coloring is done digitally.

>>784289

It's basically a mis-match of old Tezuka and nu designs, it doesn't mesh too well. I never really liked it.

>>784576

Anime plays with framerates for visual effect, animators have been experimenting with CG the same way.

>>784141

Netflix is LICENSING anime, not funding it.

I said this in another thread, but I suppose it bears repeating: Netflix is just CR. They pay for the streaming rights and that's it. It licenses shows nobody in the West actually gives a shit about because in this case, their primary audience is Japan. If Netflix didn't pay for Devilman/Seiya and whatever someone else would have paid for it. Everyone who thinks Netflix is literally funding anime productions in the way that they are the sole reason why they exist is either a shill or retarded.

Also, Japan will always produce anime for Japan, no matter how involved Netflix gets. You also need to remember that the company exists there and has a completely different Japanese division. And even if they were to make "western" anime, the original industry overseas would continue as if nothing happened. China is way more important to Japan than any other filthy gaijin these days.

>>784149

>>784161

Yeah, no. Despite what LISTEN AND BELIEVERS say, if the anime industry ever began to gravitate towards such a blatant counterculture it is absolutely guaranteed to collapse and that's a fact even people with half a brain know. They would only ever do this if they wanted the entire thing to go up in flames, destroy countless jobs, alienate fans and supporters, and kill a perceived aspect of their culture that's been prevalent for decades.

TL;DR- Off with the tinfoil hat.

>>784056

It has been dead for longer than you have been born.

>>784094

The movie is shit though. Story is retarded.

>>784056

It's much cheaper to 3D everything, and the market will follow the money, even if that ends up turning anime into a shovelware industry incapable of capturing the imaginations of people.

>>791132

I love how it looks like the cheap crap hentai, we're getting a lot of that these days.

>>798784

It looks like one of those hentais where they loop the same animation for 30 seconds while the seiyuu moans intoxicated in helium.

>>784056

That scene looks terrible.

>>784094

Sadly, only the first 4 episodes (OVA) are like that.

>>799368

Even some of the hentai with decent subject matter simply ahs shit animations and shit animations choicees.

>muh horsepussy, squidgirl porn was such shit

>>799368

They seem to be increasing in number. Would be better to just colorize the doujins they copy and voice over them instead of watching a still image with worse art that slightly moves for 20 minutes.

>>784094

This looks like utter shit. Who in the right mind would have thought that animated car chase could be a good idea? Even video game looks better than that weightless turd.

>>799722

Yeah. That said though the doujin scene is better than ever. I am a strong proponent in the belief that 2d drawn doujinshi just keeps pumping out more awesome artists over the years. Anatomy is better, there are more Japanese artists, Comiket keeps getting bigger, and smaller niche fetish conventions are popping up.

Now even just drawing single still pictures in mangos is becoming too difficult, did you guys see the latest Thunderbolt mangos where they just slap the 3D model into the picture and don't even bother to trace it? I'd like to know where that faggot whom kept stating that automation of the animu industry was a good thing, and scoffed at the idea this shit would promote laziness and cause this to happen.

>>799368

At least one of my favorite artists consistently has all his shit animated by the same studio, and they do it so poorly JSK's flash animations looks like a work of art in comparison.

Hand drawn quality peaked in the late 70s to mid 90s before the hiring process became insanely expensive, around this time use of CGI became available and enabled corrupt studios to produce garbage quality moeshitter anime and in the turn of piracy companies leaned on marketing/merchandise to bang a profit by targeting loser NEETs. Its why anime has so few memorable products from the 2000s upto now. Pure hand drawn animation gave incentive to produce quality shows within a tight budget on limited airtimes competing in a regional market ( what was mostly Japan/Korea before the weeaboomers arrived ) as where in 2017+1 you can mass produce products like (video related) and get away with it every friggin time.

>>805766

You're using the one CGI anime that's actually well made and had traditional artists working on it to clean things up as an example of low effort.

Come on, anon, there are a million better examples...

>>805766

>Hand drawn quality peaked in the late 70s to mid 90s before the hiring process became insanely expensive

Actually it's always been expensive. What you don't understand is that in the 70s and 80s Japan was having its economic "miracle". Literally anybody could get a small loan of $1,000,000 and anime productions sprang up left and right to just dump loads of pure cash and talent into whatever the fuck because if they didn't use it they'd lose it. The central bank was basically mandating that x-number of loans had to be given out.

Japan's economy recessed hard in the late 90s and will never ever return to what it used to be. The economy cannot sustain the same kind of wanton spending that it used to, and so anime productions are fewer and cheaper.