/a/ - Animu & Mango

I never really used the site so I don't know how useful it was compared to its alternatives, I doubt they will make one but a torrent of everything Batoto had might be nice if they don't decide on making a new site.

I never used it much, as logging in to read a manga was too much of a pain. However, I wonder what will happen to groups who post ther exclusively. EH for example.

>>778161

Some of the alternative sites relied on it for their uploads. It'll be interesting to see what else is affected.

>>778158

That's bothersome. The moderation may have been a problem, especially regarding what they do or don't take down but I still think it was the most useful reader site I've found.

Madokami is good for finished manga, but not for incomplete series that still see chapters released. Plus it relies on uploading chapters from other sites, so it's often behind.

Using translators' own readers is a problem because of the lack of centralization and the fact that some translators just don't have a site of their own.

I've had Kissmanga recommended to me a few times, but the interface is absolutely awful.

With Batoto gone, what is the best site for reading chapters as they release, and keeping track of updates? The thing I'm looking for most in an online reader is that it gives me a clear list of recently uploaded chapters for series I've followed. For me the main purpose of the site is to keep track of updates. Batoto did that very well. I don't know of anywhere else that is even satisfactory at it.

>>778172

>There is also Meguca god, and almost every translation group provides download links.

Even there I've seen manga where chapters are just credited as "02 [Anonymous] [Batoto]"

>>778175

>Will be forced to offer downloads

Or just upload it to a different hoasting site

>It's not just the bots that adds to the technical issues. It's a big site with huge number of page views. It's just expected part of running the site. Whether it be a DDoS attack, scraper bots gone haywire, servers/hosting company being annoying, ad company being annoying, there's just so many stuff that I constantly have to deal with. Over the last 7 years, I haven't had a single day when I could just freely take a day off. If the site goes down, I had to be there, on my computer, ready to take action. I obviously don't do something every single day, but just making myself available is taxing on my life. The fact that I'm unable to take a vacation have often been a point of argument with others in my life. Anytime someone says, let's go somewhere, I could only say no. I have to be here. Sound sleeping is also a thing of the past. I have alarms that go off when the site goes down. I'd wake up in the middle of the sleep to take care of it. False alarm, while irritating, is one of the best things to see when I'm interrupted from my sleep. How else would I have always responded to issues immediately?

Oh, so the site was autism powered.

Damn shame, but it's not the end of the world. The site wasn't perfect and it wasn't my one stop place for manga, I still went straight to the translators for a lot of stuff.

>>778177

>track of updates

Madokami allows you to keep track for new updates, perhaps 2-10 hours later than on other sites, but it still does the job.

Baka-Updates is and was always better than Batoto to keep track of new stuff.

Batoto was still limited to the manga that got uploaded there, so you always missed quite a lot of releases.

>Even there I've seen manga where chapters are just credited as "02 [Anonymous] [Batoto]"

Are just 4chan versions that somebody uploaded on Batoto.

>>778182

>Meguca god

>he doesn't know

What? They either take manga from Batoto or scanlator sites.

Nothing will change once Batoto is dead.

>>778186

Haven't you read the PSA?

>>778188

I did, the "maintenance" is supposed to be finished 2-3 days.

Batoto dies on the 18 January.

Madoka-sama is back, when the potato is dead.

>>778191

>God damn automeido

Well it's not like a quality post was lost or anything.

>>778193

Is the login also shot? Registration is closed and there's a shared DL cred, but my own won't work.

>>778195

How much longer until Hoihoi becomes sentient?

>Is the login also shot?

Seems to be the case.

Why don't you fucks just combine a bunch of pastebins together for pages to download?

>>778195

I thought his opinion was interesting. Alas, Hoihoi cares not for such trivial matters.

>>778158

Good riddance.

>>778205

>How much longer until Hoihoi becomes sentient?

It is only a matter of time.

>>778158

К

>>778158

Haven't used batoto since they made it so you can't read older chapters of shit without making an account anyway.

>>778224

Pantsu was a miracle. I'm not sure if /a/ could do the same for batato.

>>778224

Nyaa pantsu could become a manga reader like batoto if it could and improve upon it.

>>778237

The guys at pantsu could become opportunists. They should make a manga reader.

>>778158

>Our bot visitors are always growing as we're the only source that still gives true quality.

Quality is iffy. Despite being filthy pirates and lazy fucks who relied on everyone else to upload things for them, they still fucked things up constantly, caused tons of drama, and took down countless series.. Yeah, I'm not really seeing the quality here.

>>778264

t. Mangafox

>>778241

If they do, tell the nyaa pantsu guys to make a manga reader to replace batoto.

I can't say I'll miss Batoto, but the adjustment period as the community shuffles to find a new normal is always way more destructive than the site could've been. At least there's some warning this time so I'll give them credit for that.

>>778224

Call me biased since I'm already using it, but an IPFS-based solution seems to be far more feasible for a manga repository than as a Nyaa replacement. All the image types that scanlators use work right in the browser, unlike the assortment of files on Nyaa; people who prefer to download can help seed for everyone; and you can choose either a Batoto-style centralized frontend with IPFS backend or full decentralization, and both solutions complement each other.

A primitive prototype could simply be a static index of everything from Batoto. Adding new files is where it gets complicated so this would be an excellent way to get people on board while a more robust solution is worked out. This is similar to a torrent dump but more convenient if you just want to grab one series or even one chapter online.

I'd love to work on a way to streamline a group to make their own low-bandwidth, gallery-focused website on IPFS. I mentioned making a Hugo theme a while back and I think it's time to get serious about it (even though I know next to nothing about the process). To avoid making Batoto 2.0 and panicking when it gets brought down again, I'd like for each release group to be self-sufficient. All I want is a simple website with an RSS feed, gallery JS for online reading, and a front page with a release/news feed - all hosted on IPFS. You don't even need to get fancy with js-ipfs as everything is static, and you can update by dropping files into a folder, editing some Markdown, and running a batch script.

I have missed Manga Toshokan more than Batoto now. Using Kissmanga already for about half a year and Mangaupdates for longer than Batoto, so no big change for me.

I have mixed feelings about this. I haven't used the site directly since the introduction of the account requirement. I don't like the moderation team either. I still remember how they claimed that with batoto the scanlators would get their fair share, not just the owners of the aggregator site, and then in in the end most scanlators never got a single cent.

But on the other hand they are a major source of quality scans, and the amount of [batoto] tags on secretclub is pretty big. Things are going to get shaky for a while.

Somebody else should take their place, but preferably somebody who isn't such a faggot. And maybe set up a system that bots can get their data without DDoSing your site every time a new One Piece chapter comes out.

>>778267

Rather the nyaa pantsu guys instead of the nyaa cartel.

>>778163

And for content too old to be found on torrents.

Shit, this is/was my primary manga site. Time to figure out what to do with my massive list of in-progress manga...

>>778158

This isn't anywhere close to as bad as what happened when the original MangaTraders went down. Batoto was useful, but not unique and they've clearly suffered from some extremely retarded decisions that they've made. That they needed to have one guy babysit the fucking site 24/7 is only the icing on the retarded cake.

>>778191

You can escape things like "lol" with quotes.

>>778224

We actually do have https://manga.smuglo.li/ already, though it's mostly just being used by /u/ right now.

>>778303

Well, it's a start.

>>778299

Similar position. I will be compiling a spreadsheet of what I read off Batoto through my bookmarks and follows as well as who was translating them as a start. Hopefully most of the scanlation groups I follow should have their own sites already so it's just a matter of setting up the proper RSS feeds.

Going to suck because skikmming the front page of Bato.to for new stuff was what I used the site for the most.

>>778268

Something like https://github.com/DistributedMemetics/DM/issues/2 ? If you're actually serious about wanting to get this ball rolling I'd love to work with you on it.

>>778303

Looks /a/ have rapid reaction force.

>>778303

It could do for the meantime until pantsu starts the alternative.

>>778305

>>778299

This. I've made a list of all the manga titles I was following, but now I have no idea where to go to read them all from here. Anyone have any recommendations?

>>778326

The website I'll be using for now is Kissmanga, but I'll be using my browser's bookmark function to organize and check stuff, just like I do with my western webcomics. I've already gotten my backlog converted, now I am working on my follow list, sorting out series that have finished or that have been dropped at any point of the pipeline.

>I use hakuneko s

>I'm probably one of the people responsible for botatos downfall

Feels eh, there's no way I'm going to replace the convenience of something like hakuneko with browsing a site or joining it. A solution needs to arise that works with scrapers or be crushed under the bot swarm.

So will there be an effort to save the stuff remaining on batoto or keep manga up-to-date on a new site? I've seen /tg/ keep up with pdfs and new scans but I haven't seen /a/ do that kind of stuff here. Just following raw sites, being able to save all that alone is daunting and stuff disappears when you don't pay attention to it.

Also, most manga hosting sites have a lack of quality control. Since it is uploaded by whoever, it's usually the first release that goes up, no matter the quality and rarely do they fix it if a better version does pop up. I remember one manga chapter that it was clearly a joke scan but the site kissmanga kept it there without nobody ever correcting it. You would think people would figure it out since it had a lot of references to the Nolan Batman plane scene and I was surprised with how many sites still had this same fake chapter as the real chapter years after the last upload.

>>778345

>A solution needs to arise that works with scrapers or be crushed under the bot swarm.

do it like exhentai

>have people help hosting the content by running dedicated P2P software

>reward people delivering the content this way or being involved in community with points

>use points to download whole galleries at once

of course nothing really stops rippers from scrapping stuff through javascript plugin but that's not the concern of exh admins since most of the download traffic is offered by volunteers

>>778303

I see it has a download button. I approve heartily.

>>778377

>So will there be an effort to save the stuff remaining on batoto

I'm not aware of there being anything on there that hasn't already been scraped.

>Also, most manga hosting sites have a lack of quality control.

Back when I used batoto that wasn't an issue because batoto supported multiple uploads per chapter.

Why does anyone need a replacement when kissmongo exists? They do not have any sort of quality filter either but at least they fucking offer single-page viewing mode.

>>778399

A site claiming to offer convenience should not require me to install anything at all to be functional.

The optimal option continues to be telling all these faggot sites to fuck off and getting stuff straight from the scanlators and archiving.

Reading mangas on a website is as bad as streaming anime.

>>778401

>A site claiming to offer convenience should not require me to install anything at all to be functional.

True that. An online reader should offer pre-buffing (among other things) out of the box. But I wonder what that would mean for its load spikes.

>>778399

>Differently from batoto, kissmanga actually downgrades the images a little, from what I heard.

They don't. Their bad trait is that they upload some manga quite late.

The best choices are to download directly from the scanlator sites or Madokami, and use mangaupdates to keep track of new updates.

>>778381

Losing a site like this is going to be different than what happened with Nyaa since rebuilding a central location (or multiple) where manga Scanlators can upload their content will take more time. This isn't just a site hosting links for torrents, the library was always accessible once a chapter was uploaded barring major events.

Plus depending on how backups go there stands to be a decent loss of previously translated manga by now defunct groups, as well a loss of smaller groups that only published content through Batoto as opposed to having their own site or download links. The two week deadline and uncertainty for how long it will take for suitable replacements to emerge is going to be a nightmare period for those small groups.

Actually on that note where do you guys usually pick up the raws themselves?

>>778303

That's really not useful to replace something like batoto. It doesn't have any kind of access control, so it's only meant to be used by one group. I'd have to switch to a different software.

Also, there's already madokami.

>>778309

The complexity of this was what I was trying to avoid. For the temporary solution, it could be something like >>778303 but with an IPFS backend for media, or just an ipfs add of a folder containing every file on Batoto sorted into folders by series. (No idea how it scales at that level yet.) Technically, it should be possible to do that right now.

I mentioned the Hugo-template website idea because I think it's the best long-term solution. Groups creating self-hosted websites on IPFS with idiot-proof software helps decentralize the burden of hosting and appeases both downloaders and online readers. Rather than relying on a community like Batoto, you could just piece together RSS feeds like many people do here now. This is the easiest way to achieve full decentralization.

If you really desire something like the front page of Batoto, you could make a website dedicated around that; you don't have to host the files directly, as they would be served on IPFS, so you could just make a website that reads scanlators' RSS feeds submitted by users and organizes them into a Batoto-like interface, complete with a little forum for each series and statistics tracking to find out which ones are popular. This is not really decentralized, but it piggy backs on the previous solution so that everyone is happy.

>>778425

Where exactly are these dumps of every file that batoto had coming from?

>Other information that may be useful to the community may be filtered and backed up then made available for the community, but I will, under no circumstances, give anyone a full backup of the site or database. Many have used our system in confidence and it will stay that way.

Doesn't sound to me like he's planning on giving us shit.

>>778419

>It doesn't have any kind of access control, so it's only meant to be used by one group

Anyone can use it, though I don't think there's public registration. The procedure is to ask for an account in #8/a/ on Rizon, which should probably be posted on the site itself now that I think about it.

>>778443

I think what he means is there's nothing like batoto had for multiple different uploaders.

>>778396

Too bad Kissmanga's interface is shit. As far as I can tell it simply has no equivalent whatsoever to the "My Follows" page on Batoto, which is 90% of the reason to use that kind of site.

>>778425

>idiot-proof software

>IPFS

>Hugo

At that point it's already over Anon. The reality is scanlators are generally dumb, you really think they're going to self-host websites and publish them through IPFS? If they were going to have their own site they'd have already made one by now.

>>778447

Maybe they don't have to. Maybe we make a regular web front-end that lets them "upload", but the backend just takes those uploads and publishes them to IPFS folders. They would still have to get with the fucking program and install and run IPFS to actually read from those folders, but that's an easy and fairly uninteractive part of IPFS. Every reader on your site will end up doubling as a host too simply by running IPFS and having the default 10GB cache.

>>778446

>As far as I can tell it simply has no equivalent whatsoever to the "My Follows" page on Batoto

Why the heck aren't you using Manga/Baka-Updates?

Batoto was shit at keeping track of new releases, and wasn't even supported by some translation groups.

>Too bad Kissmanga's interface is shit.

It's a simple interface, it does what it needs to do.

A manga reader site should just work, there's no need for a good tracking fuction, a forum, comments, etc.

>>778396

I use kissmanga most of the time, but I change to mangapark or mangahere when kissmanga fucks up the pages or pages go missing.

>>778451

Baka-updates is slower to get news of new releases than madokami. Batoto may have been retarded about how they handled RSS feeds, because they would send off an RSS notification before the fucking chapter was fucking readable due to their stupid little delayed release system, but at least they sent off the notification at all. When baka-updates was my primary RSS feed, I would constantly end up finding some of my favorite manga were 5-6 chapters ahead and baka-updates was weeks behind.

>>778451

>there's no need for a good tracking fuction

I consider a good tracking function to be the main purpose of a centralized reader site.

And it really is a shit interface. Simple things like the back button not taking you to the previous page make it very annoying to use.

>>778462

It wouldn't be necessary to have a centralized RSS tracking site in the first place if scanlators could just offer basic god damn RSS feeds of their own stuff. It's not cryptic and difficult, most of them use template "blog" style sites anyways that probably have RSS templates built in.

>>778460

>Baka-updates is slower to get news of new releases than madokami

Never had that issue, most of the stuff I read is updated the same time on Baka-updates, or slightly later than on Batoto.

I see the end of Batoto actually as a good thing, it will hopfully lead to the smaller groups providing download links.

A decent chunck of the stuff I read, wasn't uploaded to Batoto anyway or only with big delays.

>>778473

Oh I'm glad they're gone too, I'm just saying baka-updates isn't all that great either. Batoto was full of cancer, especially the people who participated in the forum and comments. I've never seen so much outspoken support for censorship or butchered scanlations (e.g. whitepod) before I read comments on batoto.

>>778224

I'm up for a batoto replacement without cartel and no SJW control.

>>778479

>[✓] Successful assassination of Batoto

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>778479

Alright, Daiz is involved. Someone contact the pantsu guys.

>>778479

DAIZ!!

Eh, doesn't really matter, most of the people who use web-readers will probably flock to kissmango.

I don't think he can provide a working site fast enough.

>>778493

>most of the people who use web-readers will probably flock to kissmango.

That's a flag for kissmango getting DDoS'd for months if I ever saw one.

>>778493

Best not to underestimate cartel. It's best to make an alternative just in case.

>>778479

Here's to hoping Daiz doesn't fuck everything.

I moved to mangapark when they started demanding I log in, so this doesn't affect me. Still sad to see it go, though.

>>778507

Problem is that most manga sites leech off batoto. What now?

>>778510

That's the thing I'm not sure people are realizing. Yes these aggregate sites aren't pulling exclusively from Batoto, but for those series where the translators specifically uploaded to Batoto as opposed to other sites, the trickle down is going to be affected.

>>778517

>That's the thing I'm not sure people are realizing.

Many groups provide download links.

Personally I see Batoto's end as a good thing.

It will encourage groups to use Baka-updates, and even the smaller groups will likely start to provide download links.

There's also the chance that Batoto had an negative effect on the growth of scanlation groups.

Why read on a scanlation website, or download from them, when you can read the manga on Batoto?

An ideal mango scene, would be many mid-sized groups with their own decent websites.

Competition will lead to more quality & translations, and the ad money would go directly to the scanlators.

>>778528

>Personally I see Batoto's end as a good thing.

I don't think it's the end either but there are scanlators out there, and they are being vocal in the batoto thread right now, that have exclusively used the site for uploads and abstained from DL links.

And I do think this will induce change as people who had gotten complacent on how Batoto was setup (myself included) do the necessary things like heading over to Baka-updates and setting up the necessary feeds to keep up with updates. You're not wrong that having a site this big also created some bad habits for scanlation groups.

I think the ideal would be a combination of people having their own sites at least as a place to announce releases and store DL links, but I like the setup of exHentai a lot. The site hosts the images but also torrent links so stuff that is popular or new can be quickly downloaded but if you want to download a series that has no seeds you can do it yourself however you choose.

Ultimately This is the 2nd major Manga reading site I've lived through (the previous being Onemanga) I'm not really panicked about this I'm just wary about what smaller series may get lost because of this abrupt transition.

>>778528

At the very least, it puts one more layer of obfuscation back in place. There's plenty of manga aggregators out there, but batoto was fairly big and its removal will take a few shitters with it.

>>778402

So what do you propose as the alternative? Learning Japanese and buying the original titles online, or waiting for a western publisher to license AND actually publish the series?

>>778596

You don't know about this "download" feature that was recently rolled out?

It's now possible to store data from the internet on your own computer. All you have to do is "download" it. Be careful though. Experts predict that your "hard drive" may have a limit to how much data you can store on it.

>>778609

Explain to me in simple terms the upsides of downloading in comparison to reading online. And I already use a reader script that shows nothing more than manga pages in the first place.

>>778618

>I already use a reader script that shows nothing more than manga pages

Is there a script that removes watermarks?

>>778577

It looks like the currently active channel is #manga-dev on Rizon, which is currently being idled by the nyaa.si and pantsu devs. I'd suggest any interested anons start lurking there.

Also some project notes https://ghostbin.com/paste/rrnjg - looks like they're thinking of grounding it in IPFS.

>>778624

What if we end up with horriblescans™?

>>778428

No, not without rewriting it.

>>778618

>Explain to me in simple terms the upsides of downloading in comparison to reading online

Having a copy on your hard drive, you own it, it doesn't disappear when there's a purge of reader sites.

It always works, there's no lag, and you don't depend on the condition of the website.

Many reader sites lower the quality of the images, if you download from the scanlators then you always have the best quality version.

People prefer to torrent anime for similar reasons.

>>778618

- Availability on your hard drive even when your streaming site of choice goes down.

- Availability without lag even when your streaming site of choice is slow as fuck (which can be remedied via pre-buffing script).

- Availability on your hard drive even when your own internet connection goes down.

- Availability without lag even when your internet connection is slow as fuck.

- Better image quality.

- Less ads and tracking of your activity.

>I already use a reader script that shows nothing more than manga pages

Do you use a reader script that puts the pages next to each other or are you looking at the 2 pages of doublespreads individually?

Oh wonderful. I'm seeing some translators without sites saying that Batoto goes down they plan to use imgur albums and post new their releases on fucking /r/manga

>>778629

I'm pretty sure it already exists.

>but I will, under no circumstances, give anyone a full backup of the site or database

>Going forward, some of the staff members have and still are in the process of backing up the entire Batoto comic content as they have been notified of this decision well in advanced.

So nobody, except the Batoto staff gets a backup of the comic database.

>Many have used our system in confidence and it will stay that way.

Doesn't seem to be the case anymore, since he decided to provide his staff with a backup.

>some of the staff members

>They may choose to create a new Batoto or something simpler

The Batoto staff is atrocious. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be MangaSJW .

>>778617

Right now it is down, it might be a few more days before they are back up again.

>>778654

You know what, fuck it. What sites do you pick for grabbing raws?

>>778617

> would madokami be a suitable alternative to Batoto when it comes to old releases?

Yes, Madokami's library is much bigger than Batoto's.

Madokami is currently moving to a new server, so the site is only available in a limited form.

Registration is closed, and will likely open again when the site is finished moving.

>>778667

>What sites do you pick for grabbing raws?

If you want to read raws, then the best thing is to import the volumes from Japan.

Some scanlators scan manga from the Japanese volumes or magazines.

I have no clue what good raw sites are, but there are offical Japanese online magazines.

Jump + is for example an online mangazine, which publishes their chapters in a decent quality.

>>778682

>Yes, Madokami's library is much bigger than Batoto's.

All I could ever need, then. Thanks.

>>778640

Streaming anime in real time puts a lots more strain on your network's bandwidth than just reading manga online. And the script I'm using loads the whole chapter as fast as possible, so it's rather me that can't keep up with it while reading. I rarely reread the same title again, and a purge of one site among tens of others doesn't affect me much anyway.

>>778641

My script appends following pages at the bottom of preceding pages. And doublespreads are usually put as one file anyway from what I recall.

>>778717

>Streaming anime in real time puts a lots more strain on your network's bandwidth than just reading manga online.

Depends on what you are reading, there are HQ manga releases with up to 1GB per volume.

>purge of one site among tens of others doesn't affect me much anyway

Are you aware that allmost all reader sites, except Batoto and Kissmango lower the image quality?

Even Kissmango has lower quality versions of some older manga.

Where would you read the non mirrored version of Alita?

>>778726

>there are HQ manga releases with up to 1GB per volume

Unless you're reading that shit at 24 pages per second, the bandwidth is minuscule compared to a 1GB video.

>>778717

>Streaming anime in real time puts a lots more strain on your network's bandwidth than just reading manga online.

Then it's a good thing none of us here stream our anime, right?

The more people who save local copies of the anime/manga they enjoy, the more resistant our community is against individual hosting sites going down. When a major site goes down, the streamfags soon find themselves reliant upon the generosity of people who kept local backups.

>>778787

I think he's referring to the bitrate needed to keep up with you reading it, but I think I can finish reading most translated manga volumes in less than 25 minutes so it would still work out as a higher bitrate than a typical anime episode if the total size is equal. Also most streaming sites compress the anime a lot in order to minimize costs, so you wouldn't need very high resolution scans to exceed the size of a typical streamed episode.

>>778787

No, they don't, because bandwidth by definition is data over time.

>>778718

>And doublespreads are usually put as one file anyway

Not nearly always, and you are still fucking up page lay-out.

Mangaka actually think about what stuff they want on the left page and what on the right page.

>>778900

What if the manga pages are RGBA 12 bit bitmaps?

>>778901

Then somebody needs to go out and beat the shit out of Daiz.

>>778900

A normal CR anime episode is around 500MB, a Blame volume is around 800Mb-1GB.

Pretty sure you can read a Blame volume in less than 25 minutes.

>>778931

>watching anime on CR

Where did I say that? You greentexting /v/ retard.

Most of horrible subs torrents are CR rips.

>>778933

There's been a lot of people doing this lately, greentexting shit the people they're quoting didn't say. Low reading comprehension dumbasses.

>>778947

>not knowing what greentext is

Is this some new form of autism?

>>778947

Greentexting for non-quoting purposes has been a thing for at least a decade.

>>778948

>Is this some new form of autism?

The misuse of greentext is and was a sign of newfags & crossboarders.

8chan /a/ really doesn't need to go the same route as half-chan /a/.

>>778949

>Greentexting for non-quoting purposes has been a thing for at least a decade.

It's not like people here use it for greentext stories, it's used to make stuff up which the other person never said.

>>778954

> it's used to make stuff up which the other person never said.

Yes. I remember when ">implying" was all the rage on halfchan/a/ in 2009. Greentexting has not been the same since.

>>778931

Who are you quoting?

>>778964

She's meta-quoting his future self, ironically.

>>778949

>>778948

That wasn't my point you mongoloids.

I'm saying people are greentexting shit completely different from what the quoted person said and acting like they did say it. Someone says "X", some retard comes along and greentexts "Y", and then reacts to "Y", or replies to "Y". It's fucking stupid, that person is basically talking to what he imagined what the previous poster said instead of what was really said. Shit like this is awful for discussions, it turns conversations into parallel monologues where at least one of the people involved is making posts about what he perceives was said instead of what was actually said.

You two idiots are just reinforcing what I said about low reading comprehension dumbasses. Look:

>>778915 mentioned crunchyroll as an example of anime episode sizes, he did it because horriblesubs and other groups use CR rips for their stuff. Then >>778931 comes along and immediately assumes >>778915 uses CR, when that wasn't mentioned in the original post. He didn't even imply anything about streaming anime. I shouldn't have to explain this shit, fucking learn to read.

>>778975

That's exactly what the ">implying" thing that I mentioned was about though: Summarizing and making assumptions about the position of the other person.

Learn to read the posts of the posters that you are accusing of not reading your posts.

>>778981

>Learn to read the posts of the posters that you are accusing of not reading your posts.

None of the posts >>778975 quoted, said anything about >implying.

Using greentext for implication is retarded, and became a thing because of /b/, /v/ and newfags.

>>778986

Just because the word wasn't dropped yet, doesn't mean it wasn't referred to. If you lacked context, there were two more posts for you to read.

>Using greentext for implication is retarded,

I don't like it either in theory, but it has become part of my reportoire over the years, probably because I'm naturally inclined to arrogance and labeling others.

Some quality discussion going on here. But surely (You) are going set things right once and for all, right?

>>778990

Must I?

>>778989

I know the context, but >>778975 never replied to said comment.

This is an anonymous imageboard, you can't assume that people know which comments belong to you.

>>778662

>The Batoto staff is atrocious. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be MangaSJW .

Oh shit, we got some faggotry afoot on that front?

>>778975

I think you're taking things a bit too seriously anon. That poster was just taking the piss by implying the guy used CR. I don't think it was meant to be an actual argument or anything.

That's like saying we can't call each other niggers. Yes factually, none of us are in fact niggers. But it's still something I can call someone if I so choose.

>>778996

>>>778975 never replied to said comment.

But he replied to the same context.

First anon complains about people making assumptions in greentext.

Other anons say that practice is much older than he thinks.

-- Then, in that same conversation, it's specifically pointed that implying is a very old thing. --

And somehow you fail to make a connection that maybe the people telling you that you're complaining about a new trend that isn't new at all may be referring to the fact that the trend is actually a decade old, and you think your ignorance is justified because you didn't quote the post that spells it out.

You are grasping at straws here.

>>779006

Not at all. Nothing to see here.

>>779001

>the trend is actually a decade old

On 4chan, on 8chan /a/ the misuse of greentext became much worse in the recent months.

Why should we follow the path of 4chan /a/ after the massive influx of newfags?

It's a slippery slope, if the misuse of greentext is tolerated, then in 2 years we won't be much better of than halfchan /a/.

>>779010

I am not defending this use of greentext. I find it just as bad as you do.

>>779008

I can confirm. It's too dark there to find anything suspicious.

>>779260

But are we cute idiots or just run-of-the-mill idiots?

>>779606

> I don't know what to do

Just like, jerk off to John K. Pe-ta or something, You'll figure it out.

>>780123

>Christ. All that manga is gone now, isn't it?

No, almost all manga from Batoto are already on Madokami.

Pretty sure that Kissmanga also ripped quite a lot from Batoto.

The only thing that might be lost are really niche series, which nobody bothered to rip.

>>780123

We know the site is replaceable you fucking faggot but that doesn't mean we can't value it for what it was.

>>780123

Batoto wasn't even the site with the largest library and was actually one of the smallest. Kissmanga is uncompressed as well.

Stop acting like a woman, retard.

>>780133

>Was

That's the key word. Batoto was a giant in the past, a bastion, but it stopped being for years now.

How long until depressed pandas vanish from the Internet?

There isn't anything close to a replacement.

>>781335

If there is one thing that the internet is good at, it's making sure you get your porn.

Anything else you can get worried about. But porn will always find a way.

>>781351

You will still get it, but you won't get it all back. It's an archive.

>>778205

>Is the login also shot?

I just logged in.

>>782052

Good grief, what a fag... is what I'd like to say, but I'd definitely do the same thing in his situation.

Well shit, time to scribble down by favourite groups and remember how to RSS

>>782052

What a fucking kike.

>>782052

>minimum bid is $900

I don't see the value of the address without the content.

>>782127

Yeah, the ad-revenue from bait and switching people unknowing about the site's closure will only last a few months at the most. I highly doubt the buyer would be able to make the $990 back.

>>779296

What kind of person that isn't an idiot runs off a mill?

>>782052

If he sold the site itself, he could earn more money and given his exquisite faggotry chances are someone who stuffs their mouth with less cocks would take over.

>>782052

>990 USD

Maybe it would be better if someone were to make a site with the name bota . to and upload all the mangas there instead.

>>782052

>Nine hundred and Ninety US Dollars

>>782177

The bottom pic can't be anything else than an amateurish edit.

Looks like the replacement a lot of people are pushing for is mangadex.

The rules appear to be deliberately worded to allow loli lewds, so that's a reasonable sign compared to Batoto. It remains to be seen what the ban on "troll" content will turn out to be, compared to Batoto's lacklustre interpretation of the same thing.

>>782616

There's also manga.sh by the NyaaPantsu guys, but they haven't uploaded any content yet.

>>782770

>are the Japs finally cracking down on piracy?

What are you talking about? The OP explains why the guy is closing the site.

>>782665

With Pantsu they could just import everything from Old Nyaa and have a full library right away, but that's not as easy here where the files themselves are being hosted instead of just links.

Mangadex already has groups like Helvetica uploading their old stuff there.

What's the reputation of the folks running mangadex? I'm no expert on things like cartels and community drama.

>>782798

It's run by the same people who run AniDex/Doki. They have content now because they advertised on reddit

>>782811

>because they advertised on reddit

Not surprising, given how many groups said they would be uploading their chapters there during the interregnum.

WHERE DO I GO NOW

>>783239

Read >>782616 >>782665

>>783415

Gotta keep the auction going >>782052

>>783433

Do you have a better suggestion?

>>783437

Yeah >>>/rec/.

>>783415

https://bato.to/forums/topic/28840-batoto-will-be-closing-permanently

>The servers have begun to expire. First the of the servers are now offline. With the exception of the main (control) server, it's designed so that load is shared among the rest when one goes down. So, it'll continually get slower to serve pages unless people trying to access also decreases. I will manually remove reader pages by 25th and migrate the forums away.

And Daiz has to do with this how? There’s no evidence he’s behind this shutdown.

>>783591

I wonder who might be behind this post.

>>785231

Wouldn't it just be cheaper to just snag the domain when it expires (or however domains work).

>>785236

You can't do that when somebody else has already made a bid for it.

>>785236

I bet someone in the world already made a business out of parked domains. Like having an army of bots buying expired domains, parking them, and profiting off of a would be buyer..

A friend of mine was trying to buy the domain to a dead online sext game to try to reboot it.>>785236

>closing the main website

>forums stay up

For what purpose other than circlejerking

>>785926

You wouldn't download a car.

>>785936

Are you implying streaming isn't downloading?

>>785936

Not only would I pirate a car, I'd pirate the gas for it too!

>>785926

Thank you, Nyaruko. Someone had to slap the face of these streaming retards.

>>785937

it downloads in memory so in a sense streaming is downloading until you clear your cache, or whatever technical term it is..

>>785231

So it seems the buyer is AnyACG.com / mangawindow / mangapark / mangadog

https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/7u2m0r/batotos_domain_bought_by_mangawindow/

>>785946

>downloading a manga you don't even know if you're going to like and wasting space on a scanlation that might have altered the contents thereof

>not reading it up a bit first to test the waters

>>787823

>downloading manga is an investment

Have you forgotten to upgrade your internet plan in the past 20 years?

>storing manga is an investment

You should buy a new hard drive. Yours seems close to dying of old age.

>a scanlation that might have altered the contents

So, are you promoting importing the original manga?

Or is this a non-point because you are supporting streaming, which delivers the same scanlators' work, only watermarked and prettified with jpg artifacts?

In fact, if you are looking for as little alteration to the files as possible, isn't streaming worse than downloading?

>all the super obscure groups are going to mangadex

thank fuck.

So, now that a new Batoto emerged, but Mangadex also became a thing, which one will scanlators prefer and start using?

Is there any discussion about this?

>>796459

I didn't even know about the new Batoto.

It looks a bit sketchy.

>>796459

So long as everything ends up on secretclub, I don't really care.

Okay, new definitive info:

Bato.to got bought by the same consortium that owns MangaFox and Scanlators will abandon it definitely.

MangaDex will be the new official uploading site.

>>796459

Mangadex. The new batos a bitcoin farm.