/a/ - Animu & Mango

>Dropped super a while ago

>See this

I should pick it back up. I can stomach sub par stories.

>>750068

>>750071

Animation is still bad, just not as bad.

There are some epsiodes that look great, usually when Goku does something in the story.

>Now It Doesn't

Citation needed

I started on Episode 28 since I already saw the movies. It's pretty fun though.

I kinda hate how they need to put Goku at everything and can't really give any more time to the others. It's usually a bit of one character then back to Goku, then another bit and then back to Goku.

It's not like I hate Goku, but there's so much potential for development for the others that it feels bad, specially Vegeta and how he can't never really shine.

>>750202

I hope this next fight is actually Vegeta vs Toppo and Dyspo. Follow through on Toppo's statement that the fight is no longer about justice but survival instead by fighting dirty. That way Vegeta can humble the two by showing his pride and honour is greater than their justice.

Next episode should've been Gohan and Piccolo vs the Namekians, the two haven't really gotten a good moment.

The latest Super chapter is up on Viz. I can't believe how much better it is than the manga.

Highlights include:

>Rumshi's battle roar

>Liquiir's fox tail beams

>Goku vs Toppo

>The tournament rules given explanations and proper justification

>Toppo's personality

>Belmod's personality

They went all out on the animation for that episode, and now it's back to par. You can't really use it as an example that the quality has overall changed, because it's still mediocre at most times.

>>750247

So, they still haven't given Precure it's animation team back?

http://archive.is/QMsfp

Bunch of gameplay footage and guides for the new DBZF game.

Remember when I said in the deleted thread Goku will teach Caulifla and Kale the fusion? Well according to a summary of 114 it seems it's Champa who will teach them about it.

>Niggastream translates "Helles" as "Heres"

When will it end!?

>>750405

So apparently, all it takes to learn fusion is for someone to yell the instructions at you from a hundred feet away. It's Trunks-learns-Mafuba-from-a-video-clip all over again.

>>750493

These U6 Saiyans are getting boosted so fast. It's utter bullshit.

The manga does a great job of giving Toppo more presence in his fight with Goku and he doesn't do any of his Justice moves throughout. I reckon the Sentai stuff will be saved for the tournament to add some humour to the hardass that Toppo is. I also like that we can see his mouth. The best part though, is that Toppo actually beats Goku in the exhibition match. Through a nutshot no less.

I'm so glad Blue Kaioken hasn't been done, I get the feeling it won't ever be done or only in the last moments of the tournament. It creates such a ridiculous gap between Goku and Vegeta and the rest of the cast that you can't imagine anyone really being a threat.

Jiren in the manga is said to be beyond Belmod, with Toppo and Goku being at or close to a GoD's level. Goku was getting bodied hard by Toppo until he took it to SSG and then SSB, even then though, Toppo was still keeping pace and delivered a winning counter. It seems like Toritoyo are focused on making the other universes seem like real heavy hitters instead of a bunch of filler. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the recruitment phase.

>>750495

>The other fighters are threats

That's good to hear. It always sucks in tournament arcs when the other fighters are just flack. Video related. Hiei's opponent was a joke. The only thing he could do was barely turn the dragon. Hiei really should have been the first to go after younger Toguro with Toguro allowing the other fighters to gang up on him afterwards.

>>750411

Your pelvis will break.

How does the writing of Super compare to GT?

>>750551

GT is the Skyward Sword of Dragon Ball.

>>750577

So it's good?

>>750551

I think it's worse than the first half, and pretty much on par with the second. Super 17 was less of an ass-pull than Golden Frieza.

People still watch this shit?

>>750541

I hope the other universes get a similar treatment. The Furious Fighting Furries haven't shown up yet, so I'm curious to see how they get altered for their tournament appearance.

>>750214

The manga is way better than the anime but it is still pretty bad.

I would like the arc to end with Zeno being convinced by Goku that the Moral level isn't the sole measure of a universe. This Dragon Ball Bokurano shit is stupid and gay. I keep hearing people say that Goku was never meant to be a hero but the original Dragon Ball establishes him to be a really good kid. Originally, I thought that the worst arc was the RoF arc (not counting the Universe Survival arc because it isn't done and I'm not watching the anime). However, I decided that the worst arc is the U6 arc because of what it has done to the series.

1) It is a tournament arc.

2) It is a boring tournament arc.

3) The multiverse is wasted and it is completely uninteresting.

4) Introduces a bunch of characters that no one gives a shit about.

5) Gives uninteresting roles and characterizations for characters that people would give a shit about.

6) Introduces the Super Dragon Balls which the only cool thing about them is being planet sized. Thus introducing Deus Ex Machina 3.

7) Pointlessly introduce another hierarchy to Godhood.

8) Setup another stupid tournament arc.

9) It is the first arc in the series that is not based on a movie and it is still movie tier.

>>750595

I've seen fans getting torn over in arguments of Super vs GT.

>>750767

I'm leaning GT at this point. At least it only introduced like two transformations if you count golden great ape and it made sense for the most part.

>>750827

At least, GT was a fucking sequel.

There is only two ways that I want DBS to end:

1) Goku, Vegeta, or anyone else stop using SSJB, SSJG, or any God-ki forms because something something dragon balls.

2) The series resets itself and we get a Steel Dragon Ball run.

>>750767

SSJ4 was awful though. SSB, etc are lazy, but they aren't necessarily bad looking. I think GT would have been better had it focused on Goku's space adventures. It went to shit as soon as the truffles showed up and it went downhill from there.

>>750944

> Goku, Vegeta, or anyone else stop using SSJB, SSJG, or any God-ki forms because something something dragon balls

They'll either stop using it for a really dumb reason, or the previous ending is going to get retconned a bit.

>>750971

>SSJ4 was awful though. SSB, etc are lazy, but they aren't necessarily bad looking.

SSJ4 was less like an incremental upgrade than SSJB. SSJ4 ties in better with what is established in DBZ and brought the great ape back to relevancy. SSJB is lazier than SSJ2.

>They'll either stop using it for a really dumb reason, or the previous ending is going to get retconned a bit.

My idea was that morals using God Ki is a result of collecting and converting magical energy around environment. Overusing SSJB would drain the planet of its magical energy and render the Dragon Balls inert. Goku and Vegeta have a choice to leave the planet and become the GoD or stop using their new forms which they couldn't even pass on because it is exclusive to U7 pure saiyans.

>>750541

In comparison, this was a much better fight. There was a lot more back and forth action and both combatants were more evenly matched. The ending made sense and it was executed well. Karasu had the typical villain weakness of talking too much and his infatuation with Kurama gave him enough time to get the win against a stronger opponent.

>Friend hounds me to watch Super because "It's a good show"

>Give it a shot despite my better judgement

>13 god damn episodes to retread an hour and a half movie

>Even more standing around and yelling to power up than I care to remember from Z

>Lobbing the exact same attacks at each other over and over

>Constantly barfing up the exact same exposition over and over

>Ridiculous padding like watching their auras become dragons and yell at each other that serves no fucking purpose other than killing time

>"OH NO THEIR PUNCHES ARE GONNA DESTROY THE UNIVERSE, FOR REAL, THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAPPEN THE SHOW IS GONNA FUCKING END BECAUSE OF THIS JUST WATCH!"

I have a fucking headache. I don't think I can go on with this. Even if I just skip to the good parts I'd be skipping pretty much the whole fucking thing because I already thought the U6 tournament and the Goku Black arc were completely retarded in the manga.

Who on Earth thought it would be a good idea to stretch the movies out to entire seasons? Why didn't we just get a recap episode to catch everyone up who didn't watch them?

Sorry to blog but I just had to vent somewhere.

>>750068

Big if true.

Fusion confirmed. Kafla is coming.

>>751509

It also looks like Champa is gonna teach them fusion that doesn't require the dance.

>>751527

Kalifla is pretty cute.

>>751527

A fusion powered by excessive lesbianism. How strong will it be?

>>751539

That was pretty funny, obviously not intentionally though.

>>751540

Huh, well who knew. That's pretty sneaky hiding her in there.

>>750541

The whole time I'm just thinking:

>Why cant anime make cat-girls like this anymore?

The voices are spot on which seriously makes me wonder what went wrong with Dubs today.

What's the deal with transforming into SSJ3 anyway?

Wasn't that the worst transformation regarding stamina consumption?

>>751576

>>751568

He's training the girls up for his own purposes, teaching them to fight and master their forms so he can hone himself against them and take on Jiren again. It's stupid that he's gonna do this in only a few minutes though.

This tournament should have been set on a planet over a few months or something with how they're trying to cram all these events into such a small space and time frame. They expect the audience to believe that nobody else is near theid battle during all this? At least they showed some other fighters noticing the blasts.

Really though, set this shit on a massive battlefield with different environments, planet or disc, doesn't matter. Give the fighters more time and other things to deal with, like dangerous creatures hand-picked from each universe and environmental hazards. Then they can have all the extended battles they want and not have to bullshit about the time limit or ignore other fighters for plot convenience.

>>751509

On the topic of Goku's stamina, I think the equivalent would be slowing to a jog after doing an all out sprint and then slowly ramping back up as you catch your breath. Ki is apparently the mana bar though, with how Frieza donated Goku some energy but he wasn't functional straight away.

>>751600

For the duration of their fusion, they'll share those lewd thoughts.

>>751578

Anon, that shit would be WAY too cool and you know it. Time for screaming and U6 power-boosting for ten episodes.

>>751542

>>751600

>>751630

>Lewding a pure Onee-san/Imouto relationship

Degenerates

>>751728

To be fair, all of the saiyans born after Goku and Vegeta have achieved ssj in a fraction of the time. Gohan was born stronger than Goku at the same age and even achieved ssj form at an earlier age, but with a lot of training. Trunks and Goten were just given ssj form and it looks like Pan is considered a ssj in the womb.

>>751730

>>751782

Yea, but seeing them go through all these powerups during one tournament that just reached the halfway point is a little bit jarring even for shounen standards.

>>751728

>How is someone being taught by a master learning faster than someone with no teacher who had to pull it out his ass?!? NANI!?

Truly a mystery for the ages.

>>751820

But Goku achieved ssj1 just by being angry. Are we seriously going to believe that Goku was the first saiyan to get angry in a thousand years? The ssj transformation HAS to come from intense training, and a bit of rage. At least, that was the case until cell saga ended.

You're argument makes sense to some degree, but it's not enough to excuse this amount of power creep.

>>751856

I liked the vegeta cabba thing, this current "teaching" is just retarded.

>>751730

Yeah but Gotenks was mentally disabled

>>751728

All of them should have trained with Vados, inside of her staff, and that's all that should have happened. Then it would even have been fine to give them SSJB. Before that, Caulifla should have failed to unlock SSJ, and Kale should have been able to do it through lesbian rage just like in the series (because that's supposed to be a rare ability that she was born with).

As far as strength does, some things make sense and some don't. The previous episode made it pretty clear that Caulifla and Kale are nowhere near as strong as Goku. He fought against basically two SSJ2s while still in base and just coming out of almost being dead. Broly-Kale fought well against Blue before, but that made no fucking sense. That should have happened with another form. If the LSSJ form is that overpowered, then Goku should be fucked if they fuse. I assume that LSSJ3 Kafla is going to happen, so it will be a ridiculously overpowered fusion regardless.

>>751730

Only possible because of fusion, so it isn't too bad. But Goten and Trunks were already too strong anyway. The Buu saga being retarded doesn't make Super any less retarded. Giving them 3 was still probably too much (but if they didn't get it, then fusion would have been more overpowered than it already is).

>>751856

It does take training. Goku trained his ass off and almost died a bunch of times before that, and it's not like he got just a little bit angry. It was a completely uncontrollable fury, after seeing his best friend die. Gohan earned it as well. Before 19 and 20 showed up, he trained with Goku and Piccolo for three years (and Piccolo actually got to SSJ level, so Goku must have used his transformation when they were training), and even after that, it took months training under the harshest conditions with SSJ Goku just to unlock the transformation. And that is all despite the fact that Gohan's anger is stronger than Goku's by far (and that is what got him to SSJ2).

The fact that Goten and Trunks got it so easily is retarded. Especially Trunks, since it wasn't easy for Future Trunks to get it, and he needed it a whole lot more than kids living in a peaceful world.

I am fine with Cabbe's transformations, because he is supposed to be an elite warrior, so I assume that he trained a lot in his life. And he did get pretty damn angry. SSJ2 is a little bit of a stretch, but it can be assumed that he trained with SSJ since the fight with Vegeta, so it's not actually that crazy.

Again, he should have trained with Vados and unlocked Blue. Then again, if everyone trained with Vados, anime Hit would have been unstoppable, and would have been able to destroy even Jiren. At least if his improvement ability is strong enough that he could quickly adjust to Vados' strength over time.

>>751568

>What's the deal with transforming into SSJ3 anyway?

>Wasn't that the worst transformation regarding stamina consumption?

<implying that DBS anime has the balls to delegitimize SSJ3 like how Future Trunks did in the manga (Future Trunks' SSJ2 was actually stronger than Goku's SSJ3)

>>751578

>This tournament should have been set on a planet over a few months or something with how they're trying to cram all these events into such a small space and time frame. They expect the audience to believe that nobody else is near theid battle during all this? At least they showed some other fighters noticing the blasts.

>Really though, set this shit on a massive battlefield with different environments, planet or disc, doesn't matter. Give the fighters more time and other things to deal with, like dangerous creatures hand-picked from each universe and environmental hazards. Then they can have all the extended battles they want and not have to bullshit about the time limit or ignore other fighters for plot convenience.

After end of DB, they stop doing straight out tournament arcs because Goku already won. The Cell Games was only a tournament in name. Now, we have 2 tournament arcs played completely straight in DBS. They could have changed up the rules to make it that can't just rely on Goku and just Goku Vegeta.

>>751894

>All of them should have trained with Vados, inside of her staff, and that's all that should have happened.

The rest of the cast in U6 could have their potentials unlocked to give a good excuse to make them on par instead of muh off-screen training which is DBS's favorite power up.

>>751919

Toriyama delegitimized it himself. Flat out saying that Vegeta never learned it because it was a waste of stamina when you could train SSj2 to be stronger.

>>751921

He never said that as far as I know. In fact, Toriyama forgot what SSJ3 was. He thought that it was SSJ2. The reason why Vegeta didn't get it was simply never explained.

It's not very useful anymore because if Goku is willing to spend stamina, he might as well just use a stronger form. SSJG is probably not nearly as wasteful as 3, and it's supposed to be much stronger. If it even wastes any stamina at all (no indication of that at all).

>>751527

I can't believe they're actually going to fucking do this. Not that is matters; they're going to lose to Goku, anyway.

>>751856

With regards to DBS, nothing has made sense and all of the rules have been broken - and the ones that haven't will soon be too, it's just a matter of time. Fans need to stop rationalizing all of the changes and trying to make them fit. There is almost no logic left in the series. The worst offenders are those YT eceleb wannabes that are doing what they can to offer false hope to fans but package it with their fan theories delusions like pretending they know what Toriyama is thinking.

At this point it's way more fun to see how more ridiculous DBS can get and laugh at people trying to make it make sense. I seriously hope no one on /a/ is trying to take DBS seriously. DBS is a roller coaster tearing apart the series' previous perceived conventions of the series at the expense of the fans that believed it would follow the rules they had invented in their heads. It's way more fascinating in that sense than anything else. I actually hope it becomes even more ridiculous and makes less sense so we can laugh at what fans come up with in their vain hope to connect the dots.

>>751986

This is probably the best way to go forward. Just see how fucking bananas Toriyama will take DBS.

>>751985

>I only watch DBS for the cool fight sequences now. Now thinking about it, that's what got me into Dragon Ball in the first place.

>cool fight sequences

>DBS

>>751986

Or simply stop watching that garbage like I did.

>>751990

You didn't think the Jiren Goku fight wasn't cool?

>>751991

Like I said, I stopped watching the show. I stop watching shortly after the start of the Universe Survival arc.

Goku's fight with Beerus was lame in the anime.

RoF was stupid.

Goku's fight with Hit was lame.

Goku's fight with Future Zamasu and Black was lame.

How Black keeps coming back gave the fight no impact.

Why the fuck would I give a shit about Goku fighting another asshole with no backstory whatsoever? I didn't give a shit about the fight with Hit because there is no established limitation to his power and writers can buff or nerf him to fit whatever they needed.

>>751993

Well it was pretty cool, but you wouldn't like it seeing that you didn't care about anything else. Why are you in this thread?

>>751995

>Why are you in this thread?

To shit on DBS.

Also, I still read the manga; even if it isn't particularly good, it is still miles ahead of the anime.

>>751998

Just seems a waste of time to me, just to go into a thread to shit on a thing you don't even like. That's just me though. Not saying DBS is good, it's not, but I can't stop watching it. It's like the Berserk anime, I just can't stop watching it.

I never really followed DBZ as a kid, watched an episode here or there, but until recently I didn't even know Goku had kids. I started watching Super exactly at the Goku vs Jiren fight, and read 2-3 of the latest chapters that deals with stuff in the past apparently. You'd think I'd be completely lost, but no, I know exactly what's going on just from these few episodes outside of intricate stuff like what Jiren's race is, etc.

You know, from this perspective, it's not that bad to be honest. I can see kids getting hooked by this. Champa and Beerus have some decent banter. Frieza is great. Goku trashing SSJ female-token in his base form was nice. I went back to watch Frieza getting recruited, and I really wish we'd get some hijinks between Goten and Trunks in the isolated nature reserve island, fighting against poachers and just surviving in the wilds with the beasts, but that probably won't happen. I honestly just intended to watch the Jiren vs Goku fight and then move on, but I find myself watching the new episodes now...

>>751968

Struggle makes us stronger

>>752009

It really doesn't.

>>752016

I meant stronger than we would be if we never struggled

>>752017

one day, never forget your pride but he struggles too

>>752190

>Fighting Ribrianne causes Vegeta to awaken the ultra instinct within him

I think she'll be one of the last remaining fighters too. Now that she's regained her resolve, she may decide to take on Vegeta again during his fight with Toppo.

A hunger games-esque tournament over the course of a week might have been interesting, but this battle royale may be the closest we'll get to it.

>>752190

I mean I get where some of them are coming from. He's taken Whis's advice to relax, he's not being all pissed off when Goku surpasses him for the nth time, when he broke out of the time chamber he was calm and collected, throughout the whole tournament in fact he's been mostly collective. But to think he achieved Ultra Instinct at all? That's retarded.

>>751509

>>750551

Depends on how much you want Goku to be the center of attention every episode and how much you tolerate humor instead of power battles, I like DBS more because the premise is at least not as retarded as "let's downscale Goku by making him a kid again" and all that bologna.

>>751495

Wouldn't they be called "Kalefla"?

>>751542

Funny thing is, if Caulifla and Goku were in the same universe from the beginning I can see them as a better couple than Goku and Chichi.

>>752190

I wish Ribrianne was eliminated already, her episodes contribute almost nothing and always seem like filler.

>>752213

He can go SSJG in the manga, right?

>>750068

I wonder how much of the animation budget went into vid related?

I know this is e-celeb shit im embeddong but I'm not sure where to find the sources for this. Google didn't help.

Some scans from an interview with Toriyama (released in the manga) show that Toriyama doesn't contribute anything but a general direction to the story. Vegito Blue in the Zamasu arc wasn't even in his draft that he submitted. They just added it on there to "meet fan expectations".

I know it's old news but, if there was any doubt that DBS wasn't just fan pandering, now there's no questioning it.

>>752439

And they gave GT shit.

>>752439

Dragonball's been fan pandering devoid of authorial passion since the Namek saga. What's your point?

>>752337

He kept some of the god ki when he first transformed, which let him keep transforming later on. He then mixed it with ssj and then he got blue.

I think he's going to get at least one more transformation. He'll probably "purify" his ssj form somehow and that'll give him the ability to create spirit bombs in ssj+ form.

>>752453

This is true. The android and cell sagas were big examples of outside influence as well. Toriyama wanted Gero to be the big bad, but he got told to make a better villain back-to-back.

>>752455

>Getting god ki because a bunch of saiyans gave him gay energy

It makes no sense, otherwise this would have been more common amongst the sayians after the first super saiyan god. Vegeta is not even of pure heart either.

>>752456

That's Jump for you.

>>752461

The pure heart thing is required to form the spirit bomb iirc. It was mentioned recently in the anime as well when Goku was building the spirit bomb. He can push it as a ssj, but he can't create it as a ssj. I remember back in dbz when it would harm anyone without a pure heart, which ssj form takes away from base Goku.

>>752487

It's pretty much just a state of mind. I think Goku might be able to power up while in ultra instinct state or he will be able to eventually.

It just lets him fight really efficiently.

Vid kinda related. The power levels are bs, but the one thing I took from it is that ultra instinct is a way to get the other fighters to a much higher level. Ultra instinct Goku looked to be at his base form and he was able to not get murdered by Jiren, I'm assuming he's going to stack a form on top of UI to beat Jiren. Also, it looks like the angels are still beyond them or at least the grand priest is. That's not including hakai, which the gods can do.

The entire thing is up in the air. Jiren is super strong, but he wasn't at his max when ui goku gave him some trouble. I do like that the other saiyans are getting some of the spotlight, but I also really want to see how the manga handles it and where the anime goes with it.

>>752290

Jesus this looks so fucking bad. Is this even drawn by toriyama anymore? How can something this recent look like a goddamn fan animation? How can a show that has made so much money over the years, devolve in quality and art style from fucking dbz? Even fucking GT has better art direction.

>>752519

Yeah the quality confuses me too. You would think when handling a property as popular as DBZ you would be throwing money at it to meet fan demands.

On the other hand, since DBZ is so popular you can probably just shit something out and the fans will eat it up anyway giving you pure profit. I guess that's what we are seeing here.

>>752337

>pictures

That was kind of a disappointing and abrupt ending, but I guess the author got bored.

So how will the Androids job and to who? Will it be Frieza cleaning house? Will Jiren flex in their direction? Are the remains of team robot going to slap them off? I don't see any of U7's remainders going down without disappointing us all, Gohan and Piccolo especially.

>Zeno was never shown tapping Hit's icon to indicate his defeat

>>753036

I'm expecting Jiren to wake up and for literally everyone (except Goku) to Zerg Rush him, only to get slapped aside and out of the ring as he unleashes his "full power".

>that spoiler

Maybe he was not actually defeated, but somehow copied himself using time-skip fuckery and is still in the ring somewhere biding his time. Zeno knows this because he's Supreme Omnigod of Omniverse, but nobody else does. Would be pretty cool if he showed up out of nowhere to give an epic beat-down on Frieza when he goes to pick off Kale or Caulifla the way he did with Cabba.

Of course, this won't actually happen. The animators just fucked up.

>>753072

They'd been pretty deliberate so far in showing so many fighters get knocked out. Plus Hit hasn't changed pose since he went out. It's wishful thinking that he might get another chance to shine. I want that purple penis headed fucker to pull another power out of his ass.

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious how Goku and Vegeta are acting like they'd prefer it if Caulifla and Cabba were their actual kids?

I mean, Goku never really got along with Gohan or Goten, but throw a powerhungry fighting maniac who doesn't really care about the difficult stuff and Goku looks like he's having the time of his life.

>>753416

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if (even though U6 will get wished back with the Super-Duper-Pooper Dragonballs) Goku and Vegeta ended up "adopting" the three of them and living with them on Earth.

Also, this reminds me how fucking weird their ages are. They look like they're about 12-years-old, but through context were never implied to be anything other than young adults. It's almost like U6's Saiyans were just designed to be scrawny, but everyone kept mistaking them for children, so Toei eventually just decided to roll with it.

>>753463

She seems more like a daughteru to Goku. Besides, Goku has Chichi and Caulifla sees him as an old man.

>>753416

Half saiyans aren't battle hungry since their human blood calms their saiyan instincts. All of the half saiyan children except Trunks will retire from Martial Arts and lead regular fucking lives. Trunks might start a Sword School if DBO is to be canonical.

>>753416

All the more reason to hate these bitches.

>>750971

>It went to shit as soon as the truffles showed up and it went downhill from there.

Agreed. A good way to wrap things up would've been to have Goku wish himself back into an adult.

>>753467

Sluts love dirty old men. Don't you read hentai?

>>753480

Are you implying that Caulifla wants Goku's aging monkey cock? What about his love for Chichi?

>>753485

>I don't get the joke

>>753485

>Implying he would have Chichi and Caulifla fuse with Potara Earings.

>Impregnate the fusion

>>753416

Goku and Vegeta are pure saiyans. It does make sense that they would prefer the company of other pure saiyans given how much they like fighting.

Does this mean that Nappa and Raditz could return? It probably won't be the actual Radditz and Nappa, but U6 versions of them. If Goku and Vegeta want to hang around other saiyans, would they start spending all of their time in u6? Would they start teaching them all how to go ssj? Would Toei actually create an entire planet of ssjs?

>>753490

Based on Zamasu's fusion, Goku Black died, but he kept living because of the wish. Is it possible for 1/2 of the fusion to die during battle? If Vegeto shows up again and Jiren hits him hard enough, would it be possible for the Vegeta part to die and would Vegeto immediately defuse or would Goku die too? The villain that gave Vegeto the most trouble was probably Super Buu, but he still got stomped. Zamasu would have been stomped too except the time limit got introduced. Jiren does look like he could take on Vegeto.

>>753517

Wasn't Vegeta dead the first time they fused?

>>753463

Where are the doujins of Goku becoming overcome with Saiyan lust, ripping down Caulifla's pants and fucking her so hard that when he cums he blasts her through a rock wall?

Then where's the sequel where Berserker Kale comes after him and LSSJ (Lusty Super Saiyan) Goku uses his instincts to defeat her, revert her to her controlled SSJ form then dominates her. Causing Caulifla to power up and attack him again, but due to his Overwhelming Arousal technique, she simply gets stuck on his fingers while going SSJ2 from the pleasure while Goku unleashes a Super Cumehameha into Kale's powerful pussy.

Then, where's the final doujin where the pair fuse while grinding their pussies against Goku's cock, try to fight him again but instead end up being duelled by LSSJ3 Goku's trouser power pole which he unleashes a dragon rush with to send them out of the arena after bringing Kalifla to climax?

Where the fuck are they, Japan? Do I have to write these myself?

Where's the final page of Vegeta crymaxing from a hidden position as he damns that Kakarot for being one step ahead of him again while Cabba watches on and takes note of his sensei's jerkoff technique?

>>753560

>Vegeta eternally power cucked

>>750068

The plot is dogshit and too Goku centric in comparison to all other Dragonball material.

>>751728

Or how about because of an existing species, and an existing empire of worlds instead of corpses, the U6 Saiyans can actually train and exploit the fuck out of their biology with those medical pods.

And have Frost have cabba as his training partner.

HellHl, have Cabba in base form actually be stronger than Vegeta baseform.

>>753594

>Saiyans of U6 abuse healing pods to zenkai boost themselves into crazy levels of power

>As a result of never getting pressured in fights because they're absurdly powerful with milder personalities, they never undergo SSJ transformations

Fuck, it just works huh. Expect the manga to fix this.

>>753601

Maybe they have tourneys back home for galactic entertainment, what with Frost and co not genociding everything and callling it a trade organization.

>>753602

It's really annoying how we can come up with so many ideas to answer this stuff, and yet it either goes unanswered or gets the worst and most unexpected handwave for it.

>>753629

Yeah.

>>753560

>while Cabba watches on and takes note of his sensei's jerkoff technique?

This part is completely believable.

>>753560

They're too busy drawing porn if android 18 and bulma. Poorly, at that.

DBZ r34 is notorious for being really, really bad.

>>753485

Sayians remain in their 'prime' for much longer. By the time Chichi is an old coot, Goku is still going to be at peak fertility.

>>753732

My favs are the comics of shota Goku fucking Bulma, and Kid Gohan ...also fucking Bulma.

>>753812

Notice how the father in these is never fair haired or blue eyed? They started with baby steps.

>>753859

You know, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to turn Super Saiyan into some kind of Aryan propaganda, but I've never actually seen it. Which is odd, because literally Hitler even called it out in Movie 12.

>>753515

That would make too much sense and would be an interesting direction for the franchise to take, AND would be another step closer for DBO to be canon, so of course Toei would fuck it up as usual.

>>754014

That poor book

>>751728

>get more powerful with 1 hour of training than goku in years of training

Welcome to Dragon Ball.

>>754220

Never. they should have just had him go to sleep, in another cocoon, and then not wake up for a long ass time.

>>754257

>Goku could read Krillin's mind way back in DBZ

That was something that only happened once and then was never so much as mentioned again. You shouldn't think that means all Saiyans can do that, or even that Goku can ever do it again. Best just to assume it never happened.

>>754277

Goku isn't the mentoring type, because he doesn't understand HOW anything works. He just DOES things, and shit just works because he has Protagonist Genetics that allow him to be instantly talented at anything. A better candidate would be Vegeta, as he's a lot smarter and relies more on technique than plot contrivance, and has to a point already "settled down". He'd make an excellent Pai Mei-style mentor: complete cruel jerk who will rip out your eye if you slight him, but also incredibly effective.

>>754352

I am literally drunk and wanted to type second-to-last

>>754412

Morbid fascination really.

This tournament is taking way to fuckin long. Way back in DB when Piccolo was fighting Goku, that fight had tension and was fun to watch. This shit, ehhhh. I wouldve rather seen these two u6 Saiyan girls fight Frieza. I consider this last episode gay ass filler. Fuck, every episode is pretty much filler until we get to the end of this gay tournament, in my eyes.

>>754422

Yeah; Frieza and the rest of the U7 crew aren't getting anywhere near enough love. Ten seconds of Toppo and Vegeta is lame as well.

>>754428

>Ten seconds of Toppo and Vegeta is lame as well.

Absolutely. Any other time that fight would be a major fight, but not in this Goku Show tournament. Also the Piccolo and Gohan vs u6 Namakians. I want to watch that fight, not Goku flirt with the u6 Saiyan bi girls.

>>754424

Surprisingly, Frieza has been the most entertaining member of U7 for being such a smug motherfucker in fighting and comedy.

>>754442

>If it weren't for him, this would be almost completely unwatchable.

At first when they ditched Buu for Frieza I was annoyed, but after a few Frieza heavy episodes I'm fully on board and very glad they got Frieza in there. In fact when I watch old DBZ episodes I find myself having a far higher level of respect and appreciation for Frieza and how he does shit. Frieza is definitely the most interesting fucker in the tournament. Im pretty much bored with Goku, sick of the lack of Vegita, and and 100% disinterested with the remaining fighters from the other universes, besides Jiren.

>>754408

Well, to be fair, she's fighting alongside a canon version of Brolly whose high-functioning as opposed to just full-on autistic.

Sage for double post

>>754440

Is he fan service for people who like smug anime pictures?

>>754467

Well, yeah. Anytime someone is not getting the shit beaten out of them by their opponent, they're throwing fifty shades of smug their way.

>>754277

I want there to be a big timeskip and for the next arc to be about Uubs training with some Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bra thrown in for good measure.

Either that or a planet Sadala arc so we can actually learn about and give a shit about U6 saiyans.

>>754479

I just saw this one on /pol/, and used very appropriately

>>754277

>The problem is that Goku will never be exactly wise

I think he will. Pay closer attention to Goku. The best example of this Goku-tier wisdom is the Cell games. He knew Gohan could do it. he had great wisdom to confidently believe in Gohan, when everyone else was all WTF GOKU!?

Other times Goku has shown this wisdom. Its definitely unconventional, but its definitely wisdom. Its intuitive wisdom, I guess. Goku isnt a full on clown, but he really is one a lot of the time!

>>754492

>Zamasu and Goku Black are also worth mentioning. The smuggest cunts in the series.

Toss a few up then.

>>754502

>last image

>Not named smughug.gif

>>754502

>There is probably some selfcest going on behind the scenes, if you ask me.

Them two faggots are definitely pumping each other on all the downtime. Sucks it ultimately took Zeno to get rid of this piece of shit. Took that great victory away from Trunks and Vegito.

>>754510

>The best arc of a terrible series is still really bad.

DBZ, up til the Buu arc fight me faggots! was pretty awesome. There wasnt poor conclusions to things, compared to DBS. Sure Gohan let his Saiyan arrogance overtake him when Cell was all fucked up after the kamehameha wave, but ultimately it took the aid of everyone to take Cell out. I think that's very cool.

>>754511

When I said a terrible series, I meant DBS.

>>754515

I know you did. I was just pointing out an example of why DBZ was better than DBS. How the Cell arc was taken care of was far superior to how the Zamasu arc was handled.

>>754492

The fact that the two of them were anything more than cockroaches to Goku at SSG was completely senseless to begin with, considering Goku was only barely losing to them at SSJ2. I think the writers forgot that SSJ2 going up to SSG isn't a small incremental increase (like, say, going up to SSJ3 is) but more like quadrupling the power, at least. Goku should have curbstomped them, and then their fusion could MAYBE have challenged him at SSG, but not SSB.

Kale's LSSJ being worth much was already complete nonsense, considering LSSJ was basically just a bulky version of SSJ2. Maybe if you want to make it so she can be stronger than Caulifla, have it equal to SSJ3, but certainly no more. Certainly not giving SSB Goku a hard time like happened before.

Given the short amount of time since they've turned SSJ and their low power level to begin with, neither of them should be much stronger than Goten and Trunks. So their fusion shouldn't be much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, which isn't even SSG level. Suggesting that Potora fusion has made them as strong as SSG would be like saying they are stronger than Buu-saga Vegito, which is just absurd. They would have to be stronger than Buu-saga Goku and Vegeta, which is a complete joke. They've just been given power out of complete nowhere so they can compete in this stupid contrived tournament.

>>754520

>The fact that the two of them were anything more than cockroaches to Goku at SSG was completely senseless to begin with

But wasn't that the case?

Goku fought Kale a bit more seriously but even with her LSSJ transformation she didn't have a chance. Every time Caulifla tried to interrupt Goku just swatted her away like a fly

what happened to Vegeta ? It seems he does not bother anymore that his sole purpose is just to keep foes busy, which Goku already surpassed.

Any chance he'd get relevant again in like fusing with Goku ?

>>754544

>fusing with Goku

SSJB Vegito would crush Jiren, but that would be pretty anti-climactic. They've already confirmed that Goku is getting a new instinct 'form' and I don't see where Vegeta fits into that. I guess there's no place for the second fiddle of all Saiyans.

Is there any DBZ character who can beat El Grande Padre?

>>754574

Not real.

>>754277

>top tier waifu

She's mid tier as fuck, overall pretty boring for what is supposed to be a saiyan girl at least she isn't as boring as Kale

>>754544

I don't know. He threw that "I'm the greatest of the Saiyans!" line at Toppo, but it just had zero weight because both of them and the audience know he's back a mile behind Goku again, and now behind Keflex as well (though that's less important because it's temporary).

>>754578

If nothing else, what happens before the title card reveals that it'll exclusively be The Goku Show, it'll be badly/repetitively animated, and it'll take WAY too fucking long.

>>754574

El Grande Padre would be a cakewalk for Ultra Instinct Shaggy.

>>754613

But isn't Shaggy second fiddle?

>>754737

He mastered Ultra Instinct before Goku even knew what it was. I doubt he's second fiddle at all.

>>754743

Scooby is already at Ultra Instinct Purple.

>>754511

The Buu arc is best because it triggers normalfags like you who can't see how the Cell arc was Dragon Ball strayed from its comedic roots and turned into a badly written drama with bad characterization.

If you fags think the Cell arc is good, you're a genuine retard. If you bitch about Super while praising the arc that gave us Gohan going SS2 from crying over a robot he barely knew, you lack basic critical thinking skills.

>>754771

I only liked cell arc because of the fights during the cell tourney, everything else was pointless to include

>>754483

>the Cell games. He knew Gohan could do it. he had great wisdom to confidently believe in Gohan, when everyone else was all WTF GOKU!?

That's not wisdom, that's Toriyama pulling shit from his ass so could make Gohan the star again, in the most contrived way possible. The Cell arc is shit.

>>754773

>because of the fights during the cell tourney

Yeah, all three of them, and one of them is a gag fight. Mr. Satan is the arcs only redeeming factor.

>everything else was pointless to include

That "everything else" is why it's a shit arc. Also funny you can ignore the awful writing but everyone suddenly fixates over it Super.

>>754788

>Toriyama is a fucking hack.

To be fair, it is a pretty common occurrence in shonen.

YYH is a pretty blatant example of this.

>>754771

>says others are triggered

>spergs out this hard

Sure thing hoss

This episode gave me severe whiplash. There were some sequences that looked really good, as if they were dead ringers for peak DBZ animation but cleaned up with today's animation tools. In other words it looked like how the show should have looked since Day 1. Then it jumped back and forth from brief instances of that level of quality and what I call the new normal; on average how whole tournament has looked in terms of quality. Some of the character designs looked really impressive at times.

I don't know how to feel about this in general. Even if the quality of the animation in this series has undoubtedly improved as a whole, I still feel like it's a gigantic waste to have allotted a shoestring budget and to koreans for fuck's sake. At the same time, if I'm not mistaken this is probably the first long running shonen to have gradually improved in quality rather than the opposite. Overall the animation quality of the show is as bizarre as the show itself. If this is some elaborate ruse it's definitely working.

>>754820

I've never seen an anime, shounen or not, that flip-flopped quality as much as Super does. It's fucking weird. Given how we seem to get spoiler leaks of about three or four episodes at a time, I suspect that their "production" is actually several different animating groups all working on several different episodes, all at the same time. Some of them are good animators, and some of them suck balls. The end result is that quality seems to cycle every few episodes.

>>754838

>>754613

>>754701

>>754737

I thought Shaggy was weaker than Red Shaggy.

Why is cell the only villain to never reappear? Is he not special enough for a resurrection?

other than Zamasu of course. he can stay dead

>>755024

Nice.

>>755059

Dragon Ball Super 2018 will have Cell return.

DBFZ has a story mode featuring all the villains, so we might get some good Cell moments there.

>>755059

Cell is too dangerous, and too impossible to control. Saiyan Zenkai plus his level of regen? And his singleminded, murderous attitude towards Goku?

>>755098

Or Super Saiyan because Saiyan genes. Maybe Super Namek and watch him increase size. Though the more likely scenario is Cell absorbing something and get a new transformation.

>>755068

Radditz should return. He had potential for character arcs that was wasted as soon as he got killed off.

>>755059

Does he even have a soul? I thought one was required for resurrection and he lacked one along with most of the androids?

>>755117

He had a soul alright.

>>755098

That's Cell Dorado he is on the same level as Gohan Blanco and SS4 Red Shaggy.

>>755121

Jesus, he would just get all of the transformations wouldn't he? No wonder they didn't bring him back.

>>755133

Super Perfect Golden Blue God Cell with limitless Kaioken due to his regeneration letting him outpace any repercussions for going too hard.

With Frieza's rapid improvement via training and meditation, Goku's muscle memory, the improved regeneration, Vegeta's determination and all the human Ki manipulation, the guy would be a monster. If he'd decided to train before fighting the Z-Warriors or somehow survived into Super he'd overtake the cast and be challenging GoDs within months.

Broly was wrecking shit without ever training, broly at super saiyan god would absolutely destroy.

>>755059

I think that reviving Frieza was already retarded.

>BotG

Five pure of heart "haven't committed genocide recently" Saiyans must give their power to one Saiyan to achieve a form much much stronger than Super Saiyan.

>RoF

Earth Dragon balls can bring someone back to life past a year but only in pieces for some reason. Each planet has a hell and blowing up the planet blows up the hell. Frieza has a really strong form from off screen squats. Goku and Vegeta have a new form that removes the only thing that makes SSJG special.

>U6 arc

A fucking tournament arc filled with assholes that people just met and some even stronger dragon balls. Also, there are multiverses even if DBZ already introduced alternate timelines which are a lot more interesting.

>>755157

The pieces part was because Frieza was being revived after the year limit and could only be restored to the state he died in. The rest, yeah pretty much.

>>755166

>The pieces part was because Frieza was being revived after the year limit and could only be restored to the state he died in.

Why not the ashes that Future Trunks burn him into? It wasn't like it was a long duration between being cut up and burn to a crisp by Future Trunks.

Seriously, were the Saiyan that much of pricks that they couldn't find 5 people that weren't complete assholes?

How should Bardock be characterized? I know that Toriyama is trying to make him into a Jor-El.

>Zamasu arc

The bad guys power up using a MacGuffin. The good guys defeat the bad guys with a MacGuffin. Future Trunks fucks off to another timeline.

>>755179

>were the Saiyan that much of pricks that they couldn't find 5 people that weren't complete assholes?

They left searching to Goku who only searched on Earth despite being in a universe that is frequently shown to have races far more powerful than the majority of characters he chose. Tenshinhan and Krillin did pretty much nothing.

>>755198

>They left searching to Goku who only searched on Earth despite being in a universe that is frequently shown to have races far more powerful than the majority of characters he chose.

I was talking about how the SSJG ritual was easier than getting SSJ1.

>>755199

Post them.

>>755127

Would be interesting if a Cell Jr survived.

>>755199

I never understand why anyone even cares about power scaling, and I fucking run DBZ-based tableop RPGs. Like, who fucking cares, really? Toriyama didn't even care when he had the ability to read them by numbers in the manga.

>>755209

I'd fucking love that.

>>755209

A Cell Jr surviving and return as an antagonist is more likely than Cell just getting revived. I'm pretty sure Cell is already reincarnating anyways.

>>755103

I don't think Toriyama's memory goes back that far.

>>755157

"Pure of heart" doesn't necessarily mean "good"; the same thing was a requirement to turn Super Saiyan, and Vegeta sure wasn't a good person when it happened to him. It would have made a lot more sense if they'd just hinted that all of them already had to be Super Saiyan, and drop the requirement from five to four to eliminate the whole "an unborn baby can contribute to this" bullshit. I'm convinced that the only reason they did that in the first place was because of pacing issues, so they could pad out another ten minutes by having it not work the first time.

>>754945

Don't lewd the angel loli.

>>755262

The pureness of heart needed for the first SSJ transformation was a dubism that the fandom caught onto. The original text used kanji that could be (and like was intended to be) read as "pureness of conviction".

As for the pure heart for BotG, there was a stink make over if Vegeta counted for it because he used to be really fucking evil.

>>755103

Nah, Raditz was a dumbass. He wanted to actually leave Earth because some stupid reason. It never quite clicked in his brain what it meant that Gohan was born, with a tail, and possibly(He never witnessed it himself) Oozaru transformation. Even Nappa figured it out.

It meant the potential resurrection of the Saiyan race.

But nah, Raditz was a dumbass who just wanted his brother to come along with him.

(It was necessary for the plot, and I don't really complain about it from a narrative construction perspective, but whatever)

And Nappa got what little characterization he had destroyed in the Fusion Reborn movie.

>>755179

>>755166

>>755157

>>755157

>I think that reviving Frieza was already retarded.

You arent' wrong. It would have been better for the story to have been

>After Freiza and King Cold dies, the remnants of the empire fragment and start warring among themselves,

>A loyal servant seeks out the homeworlds of the Frieza species

>They find one, but the best they can find that would volunteer is, in the natural/final form, only as strong as Goku when he first landed on Namek

>Weaker than the servant even, but fuck it close enough

>Spend the next several years training this Not!Frieza up

>Get stronger than Frieza form to form, and having better control and stamina

>Send a scout out towards Earth that doesn't even get their before picking up the fights involving Cell

>Fuck that shit, keep training, go around uniting the remnants of the empire

>Get stronger in the most conservative form/first form than Frieza was in his final form, in between Final Form and Max Power Form, be able to access every other form, but can only control it in the King cold state, still, in that state, amazingly powerful

>Send a scout out during Buu saga, pick up SSJ3/Buu fight, now strong enough to bitchslap Super Perfect Cell in 2nd/King Cold form, can nearly control and maintain power in AayLmao form

>Fuck that shit keep training, keep finding and searching out an equal training partner

>Find the planet Goku learned instant transmission and Fusion on

>Find a badass partner

>Pickup the fighting of Beerus and Goku, get bored of waiting, say fuck it, its dance time

>Unlike Freiza, not retardely genocidal, like planets like old people like forests and gardens, sneak around the place, scouting it out.

>Your minion helps disguise you to look like Frieza

>Make a personal challenge to Goku and Vegeta in the weakest form, declare your intentions to spare Earth regardless and provide medical treatment afterwards, this is about reputation

>They laugh, you power up in the weakest form, Goku is in awe, Vegeta nearly shits himself, you blitz them, IT there asses to another star system

>While your partner stays out of it, you engage both the saiyans, releasing your power and reverting to your natural form slowly but surely

>Eventually, your battle partner has engaged, and together, Vegeta is out of the fight but hes done too, Goku manages to SSG without the ritual, you power up, not to a bulky state, but to a state with loads of lightning and shit, its barely enough

>You slowly begin to beat Goku, through a combination of an amping tecnique that causes the lightning(But has a time limit before catastrophic failure), and visibly damages your body, you even manage to break one of Goku's arms(upper) and fracture a leg

>Goku does the impossible, and somehow goes Super Saiyan while in the God state, using experience to compensate for fighting while crippled

>This entire time, thanks to Instant Transmission and wild, unrestrained use of power, multiple solar systems have ben scoured cleaned of planets and moons, and one even had its star go super nova thanks to an errant Ki blast

>You can't handle it anymore, you're about to die, so you drop the amping technique, IT over to your friend, and do the Fusion Dance

>ShitJustGotReal.gif

>The carnage is immense, even as the loyal servant shows up and picks up Vegeta and puts him in a medical pod, as the warriors start blasting each other through planets and moons, leaving newly formed blackholes through interstellar collisions, Goku even blasts Not!Freiza through a star...only for the being to go all the way through, and combine his ki technique with the Star's core and fires it at Goku, who detonates the whole thing with a singlehanded Kamehamehahammeah blast, firing his form and aura with it, every thing he had, which is just as well, since the dance fusion has run out.

>End of fight...except Vegeta is up and going know, and storms across the ship looing to kill Not!Frieza...only for the disguise to drop and we find out it isn't frieza

Then whatever I guess.

>>755301

In other news it seems this arc will last around March of the next year but its not certain this will be the final arc of Super.

>>753560

i couldn't agree more anon this needs to happen

>>755301

I really fucking hate the whole kafla bullshit

>>755301

Since they're facing off against U2 and the next episode says another universe gets eliminated and you know damn well it's NOT going to be U7 because fucking duh it would imply that U2 is the one that loses. Unless something crazy happens like all of them get knocked off the stage.

I would bet money that Piccolo will be the sacrifice because that would be the ripe time to GODDAMN FINALLY focus on his and Gohan's fight with whoever the fuck they're fighting.

>>755379

What makes you think it won't be 4?

>>755346

But she's SUPER strong because the plot demands it damn it!

>>755284

this is pretty rad.

>>755438

It really isn't. That guy might as well just revive Frieza.

>>755413

It was be kinda hard for U4 to "get serious" in episode 119 if they were already eliminated in episode 118.

But at this stage, Super is so fucked-up that pretty much anything could happen, and it wouldn't really be surprising.

>>755581

No, maybe U4 is the one eliminating U2

>>755489

Really they should have just made it so Frieza got revived in between the cell and buu saga and no one noticed. Then Gold form, as stupid as it looks, wouldn't have been such a huge asspull.

Bonus points if they ditched the gold form and gave him a cooler-esque fifth form.

>>755739

>as stupid as it looks

>

>>755489

No. Fuck Frieza.

>>755739

>>755744

Although the Golden Form doesn't look so bad. And the Cooler form didn't seem to help much, if anything, it was proof that Cooler was significantly weaker than Frieza, needing a a form that increases power instead of just releasing the restraining bolts.

Both forms looked pretty cool though.

>>755783

Yeah, this. Goku basically bitchslapped Cooler even though Cooler had a kewl ferm brehs, but Freiza made him work for it, even as a SuperSaiyan.

But you know what? If Frieza got it, or decided to try for it, he probably would've mentioned Cooler showing it off, right before Frieza killed him, mentioning that Cooler was the last fight that made him work for it before Goku.

I still think its funny how often Gohan has a fucking tail in some of the movies.

Wasn't Goku fighting Cooler in base form? Like, without SuperSaiyan for a while?

Yeah, Cooler a punkass.

>>755787

>>755784

On review, Cooler actually went /bigguy/ before Goku even went SuperSaiyan.

>>755782

Not!Frieza with all of the power ups is more retarded. The story should be more than just Frieza coming back.

>>755262

>It would have made a lot more sense if they'd just hinted that all of them already had to be Super Saiyan, and drop the requirement from five to four to eliminate the whole "an unborn baby can contribute to this" bullshit.

Toriyama wanted an excuse for Videl to tell everyone that she was pregnant. Also, the pure of heart stuff in the original SSJ form wasn't applied consistently. I wrote an attempt to make a more consistent list of requirements for SSJ. I would add a hidden requirement for SSJG to be preformed in planet with Dragon Balls saying that planet Salad had them.

>>755824

And easy way would be that a Saiyan just has to have a certain amount of power to be able to trigger the transformation at all. Plus rage and stress. Would explain why it hadnt happened in so long. Saiyans just wouldnt get to that level naturally without either being killed by the competition or killing the immediate competition and chilling.

>>755784

It's pretty obvious Goku would have gotten stronger between fighting Frieza and Cooler. That means that Cooler's final form could have been stronger than Frieza 100%, and still gotten his ass handed to him because Goku had already doubled in power. Goku's know to do that sort of thing, after all.

>>756149

No, not by that much. The Zenkai stuff is proportionate to how hard you get your ass beaten. Goku's last fight with Frieza was hard on him, but not as bad as the Ginyu fight. Not to mention the gap between base walking around, form and Super Saiyan.

Nah, Cooler a bitch.

>>755581

The chances are that the Universe that might be deleted is the one with the robots (since I think there's only one fighter left?), U2 or Gohan and Picolo actually do shit and they finish the ones from the two namekians (Which I think they're the last ones from their universe)

>>756343

The Namekians are from U6. They'll be the third universe left.

>>756187

You say that but Cooler also put Goku out in fourth form with a simple eye beam to his back for most of the movie until he could get a senzu bean. Incidentally, that's another zenkai right there.

>>754935

Red Shaggy was stronger, but when Shaggy broke his limit in his fight against Gohan Blanco and unlocked Ultra Instinct, Shaggy Verde vastly surpassed Red Shaggy.

>>750551

GT was complete dogshit. Super isn't.