No.8283 [View All]
jesus christ why does this board have more normies than fucking 4/r9k?
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No.9536
>>9510
all you psychological problems can be cured by shrooms and accomplishing something important
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No.9538
>>9501
Psychoanalysis, like postmodernity is something we can't escape. the answer to (((psychoanalysis))9)! is more psychoanalysis.
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No.9540
>>9536
>tfw 19 year old baby shroomer
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No.9545
>>9536
>all you psychological problems can be cured by shrooms and accomplishing something important
That's not true. Shrooms are pretty fun, I admit that. They can change your way of viewing things, which can be psychologically beneficial. Accomplishing something important is also pleasurable to an extent. But some psychological problems really are helpless. I personally don't like to give false hope to people with deep problems, so I try to not say such things, especially on /doomer/.
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No.9546
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No.9548
>>9545
>>9546
>shrooms (and acid) for better understanding oneself
>psychoanalysis for better understanding society
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No.9566
>>9510
>I bet you voted for Trump!
like i said, a brainlet
its you that projects how mentally weak you are. post more so i can laugh at you
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No.9567
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No.9573
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No.9582
>>9396
>>9501
Seriously though, the left and the (((corporations))) have a firm grasp of psychoanalytic theory going all the way back to Bernays. They know how to create and manipulate desire and phobia. This translates easily into politics, whether national or subcultural. For example, There is no substantive difference between the Yellow Vests and Occupy Wall Street, no more than there is a difference policy-wise between Trump and Bill Clinton. Yet, in both cases, one is significantly more downmarket and less desirable than the other. IDW faggots talk a lot about 'virtue-signalling' and /pol/ does a good job as far as naming (((them))), but knowing who and why is no substitute for knowing how.
Now, I don't expect any one of us to become amoral manipulators or to willingly give up– that is what the establishment wants. But think of the many ways the right is being played. Think of the purity spirals, the optics wars, and all the friendly fire on the right. And then think of all the grifters, of Trump-worship, and of the conspiritards following Q. Calling each other 'feds' is a predictable and intellectually lazy response. A better answer is that most young men who comprise the dissident right are afflicted by twin phobias. Phobias that are easy as dirt to exploit.
Consider:
- 'The Degenerate' is something millennial and younger men wish to avoid as a self-image after being intimately familiar with porn and the accompanying porn-guilt
- 'The Weakling' is also something intimately familiar to young men growing up around a thuggish youth culture that glorifies the underclass
Once you have these two phobic objects set up, you can have a field day just fucking with the right. Either have them latch on to politically useless daddy figures representing vicarious virtue or vicarious strength (Peterson and Trump respectively) or have them idealize this cartoonish figure of an all-virtuous and all-powerful Trad Knight (cribbed straight from (((hollywood))), of course) to the extent that they become humorless, paranoid tryhards. And no-one is easier to walk over than a tryhard who has just failed… hard.
People have cottoned on to Trump and other assorted grifters, but they keep scoring own-goals in service to some bizarre Trad fantasy. Not only do they attack others in their movement for some real or imagined degeneracy, but they are so invested in the upkeep of their LARPy identities that they are too exhausted to do anything that is consequential IRL. The worst still is when they fall victim to the left's provocations. The left knows what it's doing and it feeds on our distress. Furthermore, it can smell that distress behind every 'day of the rope' meme image. That is the very nature of power fantasies– the fantasist is the only one being fooled. Not coincidentally, the only people who handle these provocations competently (with humor and mockery, not thinly-veiled copes) are vilified by these tryhards as ironybros and thus insufficiently right-wing.
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No.9586
>>9566
Being intractably hostile to understanding psychoanalysis doesn't make you mentally strong. It makes what mental strength you have completely useless. Just like being unarmed in a gunfight makes any amount of physical strength totally useless.
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No.9592
>>9582
>They know how to create and manipulate desire and phobia.
Difference is that what you call left, the left calls liberals which is more accurate term and don't worry, they get the hate even from the left.
>all the friendly fire on the right
Funny I heard this from the left as well.
>dissident right
Your e-celebs and imageboard posters are not dissidents. This is what you get when you never went through real dictatorship.
>The left knows what it's doing and it feeds on our distress.
Maybe the centrist left - liberal democrat types. Leftists are guess where - on their boards not agreeing with each other all day, forever.
From what I gathered over the years is that right hates left so much because every time they come talk to leftists they instantly lose because lack of information. Left read their books same as right reads theirs but left also reads books of the right. Tell right-winger to read a book and he collapses and cries like little baby. Then when leftist doesn't want to talk to him because he has nothing to talk about, the right screams "oh he is the real fascist, oh he don't want to LE DISCUSS XD". Consider all this. What killed you is you seeing yourself as victims (kinda what you expect from left doing, isn't it correct?). You are all played if you play the spook ideology game.
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No.9594
>>9592
>Difference is that what you call left, the left calls liberals which is more accurate term and don't worry, they get the hate even from the left.
Nothing you say here is news to me. Don't worry, I understand the left-liberal distinction. The problem is that the US never had much of a hard, proletarian left after the red scare. The only leftists who weren't absolutely vilified were the ones aligned with liberalism. This soft-left intelligentsia and the liberal intelligentsia were in full agreement with each other when it came to what is now called globalism. They believed in propositional nationhood and liberal interventionism, and both had a fair amount of contempt for domestic working class. After the purge of the John Birchers, the US electoral spectrum has operated under an ideological monoculture that has shifted ever 'leftwards' on cultural issues, while affirming market fundamentalism and deepening their contempt for poor whites. You average wignat has more in common with 19th century socialists than your average DSA member.
>Your e-celebs and imageboard posters are not dissidents
Not in the Soviet sense, no. 'Dissident Right' just refers to those who disagree with the GOP. If you read my post, I was fairly critical of them. I was in no shape or form valorizing them although I largely agree with their goals.
>Funny I heard this from the left as well.
Yes, the left is notorious for friendly fire. The right, historically, has been less so. This has changed recently and one wonders why.
>Maybe the centrist left - liberal democrat types. Leftists are guess where - on their boards not agreeing with each other all day, forever.
Dunno. They are fairly united in hating white men.
>hurr durr righty dumb
some of them doubtlessly are. But one should not confuse the contempt for academia with lack of intelligence. Besides, my point was precisely that right-wingers overdo this and reject perfectly valid fields like psychology and psychoanalysis, when it would actually be beneficial for them.
>lefties reading right-wing books.
You mean the people who require trigger-warnings before every lecture and refuse to study people they deem to be 'Dead White Males'
The central gist of your post is that I am mislabeling things as being 'leftist'. And in a certain autistic, technical sense I am. But it's hard to care when WokeCapital-aligned SJWs comprise ~99% of self-admitted leftists. Ask me to care when your Stirnerite gang shaves a percent or two off of that figure. … and stop acting smug just because you spent some time on /leftpol/.
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No.9598
>>9594
Fair enough. I understood your post as some critique of right but still I've seen this misconception I see all the time and that is "every leftist is a liberal". That's what made me reply in the first place.
>The problem is that the US never had much of a hard, proletarian left after the red scare. The only leftists who weren't absolutely vilified were the ones aligned with liberalism.
It seems it's pretty new to you (in US) and I think Europe can relate to that. Yes we had some communists in west, yes we had communism in east but all these different branches of left kind of appeared after fall of iron curtain, at least in eastern Europe and internet helped to spread it out. However, the thing is that some points of the left, same as of the right, are pretty valid and searching answer for them is reasonable. By the way thank you for elaborating with historical context, it helps me understand situation a bit better.
>Yes, the left is notorious for friendly fire. The right, historically, has been less so. This has changed recently and one wonders why.
The way I see it though is that left and right have in certain positions so much in common. I'm not talking really about political goals or ideas/solutions of problems, but more about situation they are now in. I'm not centrist or trying to make some neutral ground here but it's almost obvious to me that if people from the right would talk more to people on the left and vice versa, they would see they are nothing more than people with different views but the real enemy is somewhere else. I don't know if you will agree but the right and left both know something is fucked up and they generally disagree on what is fucked up, who fucked it up and how to solve it. I think right and left can have their fight later but now we have some common problems we have to get rid of first. This is why I responded in kind of hostile manner because I'm tired of reading how the left is result or even root of all evil and how are "we" shooting ourselves to our own legs. Maybe you are very well aware of this as well but I think left and right have more in common than they might think. I don't speak about unification but as fun fact I might add that before fall of communism here in east, anarchists and nazi skinheads were not exactly friends, but the common enemy kind of made them stick together. After fall of regime, they instantly started to kick the crap out of each other.
>Dunno. They are fairly united in hating white men.
No, the thing is that some significant amount of leftists usually don't see gender or race as some topics worthy of discussion when you have bigger problems - capitalism, means of production and shit. Non-issue =/= hate. I'm aware of people who say about themselves they are leftist, especially in US, and are not really hiding fact that they "hate whitey" but I always thought this is coming from liberal, democrat camp as part of virtue-singalling. I hope nobody really takes those people seriously. Idpol is not topic I'm interested in talking about as well but that doesn't mean I hate white men - because guess what - that is exactly idpol standpoint.
>my point was precisely that right-wingers overdo this and reject perfectly valid fields like psychology and psychoanalysis
This is correct and I didn't said anything against that. For some reason, right is seeing psychologists and psychiatrists as some jewish set of tricksters trying to get white man on meds asap with fake diagnoses. I heard this so many times, while I think at least psychology is very interesting field and a lot can be learned from it.
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No.9599
>>9598
>You mean the people who require trigger-warnings before every lecture and refuse to study people they deem to be 'Dead White Males'
>The central gist of your post is that I am mislabeling things as being 'leftist'.
You did it right before this sentence yet again. Leftist isn't always the same thing as SJW college campus libkid. Yes, make fun of me for using the classical phrase "Not all X are Y" but it's true nonetheless. You can't take those people seriously, I mean, why you even pay attention to them? I understand you are maybe used to talking about idpol all the time but I'm not and that's why I don't understand why your SJWs are so huge issue. I don't see any reason why I should even bother thinking about them. Right has system falling down on their heads and they talk about few kids who want to signal something on Twitter and send pic from protest on instagram. I mean, it's ridiculous to me.
>But it's hard to care when WokeCapital-aligned SJWs comprise ~99% of self-admitted leftists.
That is huge overestimate but I'm not really going to try and prove you wrong since I don't have obviously some statistics of how many people who call themselves leftists are actually SJWs and their asslickers.
I'm not smug by the way, I just think you see SJWs as some huge group and even you think 99% of left is actually them or people aligned with their ideas, I mean, that's just ridiculous. Just because you are loud it doesn't make you something more than a loud minority.
By the way sorry about blogpost.
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No.9609
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No.9611
>>9598
>>9599
The fact is that none of this matters. The arc of politics always bends towards identity politics. You could start with a million competing ideologies, but in a multiethnic society, the ideologies that promise ethnic spoils will always out-compete the rest. Your egoist/tankie/green-left club will be slightly less popular than the D&D geeks at school, while idpol will go on to capture editorial positions at the New York Times.
>It seems it's pretty new to you (in US) and I think Europe can relate to that.
No, left-wing ideologies aren't 'new' to the US. They were small cults that were vilified by the mainstream, but the 60s had some dozen Maoist groups all calling for revolution. Not to mention the equal numbers of groups that were of Anarchist, Trotskyist, and sundry other ideological persuasions. This free speech thing was great while it lasted.
>all these different branches of left kind of appeared after fall of iron curtain, at least in eastern Europe and internet helped to spread it out
where do you think they originated?
>left/liberal
Yes, I get it– you didn't have to repeat the same thing 4 times over. And no, I still don't care. Non-idpol left isn't culturally relevant here. (or anywhere, come to think of it), and idpol left presents no challenge to liberalism (as much as they sputter anti-capitalist platitudes)
>SJWs
The thing about loud, intolerant minorities is that they often win. Especially if they are weaponized by elite cultural institutions.
>By the way thank you for elaborating with historical context, it helps me understand situation a bit better.
Except I was being polemical and not entirely accurate. The actual history is a tad bit more complicated. I stand by this though:
< The Left intelligentsia and the liberal intelligentsia were in full agreement with each other when it came to what is now called globalism. They believed in propositional nationhood and liberal interventionism, and both had a fair amount of contempt for the domestic working class. The US electoral spectrum has operated under an ideological monoculture that has shifted ever 'leftwards' on cultural issues, while affirming market fundamentalism and deepening their contempt for poor whites. Your average wignat has more in common with 19th century socialists than your average DSA member.
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No.9612
>>9611
>the ideologies that promise ethnic spoils will always out-compete the rest…
You might have a point. The bigger issue is while many people say they don't really care about race, status and whatnot, in reality it's bunch of crap and they in fact really do care about race etc. I can't tell you what will happen tomorrow and if you won't be forced to pick a side. The ideas are always ideas and the reality can be pretty cruel.
>They were small cults that were vilified by the mainstream, but the 60s had some dozen Maoist groups all calling for revolution. Not to mention the equal numbers of groups that were of Anarchist, Trotskyist, and sundry other ideological persuasions.
I would question their relevance though. I mean, were they really a relevant groups or were they just talked about in media all the time because cold war, f.e.?
>where do you think they originated?
If you point your finger to eastern Europe I might disappoint you. Hegel was a big deal and he wasn't everything Germany had to offer. Don't forget also about France.
>as much as they sputter anti-capitalist platitudes
Kind of offtopic, but don't you think anti-capitalism is pretty relevant standpoint considering we are in fact living in global or nearly global capitalism? Or you have different opinion? I'm just asking.
>that they often win
That would be for longer discussion and I'm afraid I wouldn't come up with anything else than my personal opinion which is not really enough. But alright, let's say SJWs win. What's really their endgame? I would assume some version of socialism-lite and destruction of what they call 'privilege', which wouldn't really work in the long run. Then what? I mean, I don't see them having some sustainable plan, all they do is yell. You know, they are like opposition, where it's useful to have loud idiots but as long as you push those loud idiots to executive positions, the whole system collapses because critique is not enough without alternative solution.
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No.9636
>>9612
>I would question their relevance
They weren't relevant at all. That was my whole point. After intellectuals began displacing ironworkers from left-wing groups, it became an ideological cosplay for children of the elite. In adulthood, they would march though the institutions, unaware that the institution also marches through them. And given that they shared the globalist, anti-worker prejudices of their parents, the march was neither long nor particularly arduous.
<where do you think they originated?
This was a rhetorical question. Of course, they came from America. (Although France played a part)
>anti-capitalism is pretty relevant standpoint
Of course, anti-capitalism is relevant and desirable. My point was that SJWs make bad anti-capitalists. Woke Capital is not just a meme.
>SJW end game
just do an internet search for Bioleninism.
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No.9665
8CHAN IS NORMALAGS CONFIRMED OH MY FUCKING GOD
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No.9666
>>9665
imagine gatekeeping loserdom.
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No.9670
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No.9679
>>9665
What are you doing on discord nigger?
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No.9686
>>9665
>learn about 4um on a small board of a small chan
It's fake, why would I trust some turbonigger who uses goycord in the first place?
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No.9713
>>9566
You seem to know all there is to know about 'mental weakness', anon. Such an expert! Please, enlighten me on what being mentally weak is.
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No.10197
>>8283
>>8320
I don't think you understand what this board is. No one here is a hispter looking for validationcummies or some fucking latent shooter faggot that can't get laid. The people here have had their share of life and find no amusement from it while being chronically pessimistic for the state of society. If you can't tell the difference, then you're an imbecile.
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No.10201
>>10197
God, I swear after a few week every fucking board get to the point, where there's a discussion about the identity of the people contributing on it. This topic was multiple times here.
/doomer/ is not about being a virgin. Originally we weren't that big bunch of losers. The people were mostly in their mid to late 20s or early 30s, hope- and orientationless in their lifes and the future in general.
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No.10202
oh, and that part about being lost in the void between the boomer and zoomer generation.
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No.10203
>why does a board centered around a normalfag emotion have normies
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No.18593
>>10203
what type of normalfag emotion?
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No.18595
>>10201
>/doomer/ is not about being a virgin.
yes it is you fucking normalfag
if you arent lonely you dont belong here
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No.18596
>>9367
the problem was those were all anarchist ideologies, it need some red/Marx stuff to balance it out. not that I care for the current state of the board. we ruined it and I'm proud of it.
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No.18597
>>10201
do /doomer/s exist past 35? I might be one of them.
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No.18601
>>18595
You can fuck a score of hookers every night and still be lonely.
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No.18603
Even those successful by ordinary standards can be solitary. The only meaningful interpersonal communications I have are physical, through sex and competition. Language is an impassable barrier for authentic expression
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No.18604
>>18597
Turning 34 this year. More robot than doomer though, but no longer blame women for being KV sadcunt while in that gray area between depression and acceptance of the prospect of never experiencing sex nor love.
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No.18622
>>18604
>34
You should had accept that you'll never have sex nor love. I'm 21 and I already did. Good thing there's this thing called alcohol…
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No.18623
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No.18624
>>18622
I was a very delusional, "ONE of these days I'll ABC then XYZ and I'll live happily ever after" tween.
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No.18625
>>18622
There were no Internet redpills for me growing up, only vidya and animu.
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No.18628
>>18624
>>18625
What a shame. I give thanks to father Agony and mother Fate for opening my eyes for the disastrous state of the world by the time I reached the age 18. That is to say, when I discovered imageboards. It must had been hard for you to not to know this place beofre and the only outlets being vidya and animu, I don't envy you.
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No.22401
Hey Fuckheads here is MFDOOMER [oc]
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No.22402
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>>22401
Not bad, I enjoyed madvillain
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No.22418
the board got too popular. i also suspect that doomer youtube "meme philosophy" videos send people here. i came back here after a couple months of /nochan/ and saw this post and was gonna call you a faggot, then i looked around and realized you were actually right.
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No.22422
good while it lasted, now it will be just another pol dumpster
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No.22434
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No.27942
dont use the Lord's name in vain
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No.27977
>>27949
some boards are even more sensitive at moderating than even reddit. Specially 8chan boards
>I think X
>no, see, i think is actually Y
>USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST
Then they complain reddit is a hugbox and echo chamber where only the same opinions come on top everytime.
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No.27980
>>27978
don't know if i would call chans before that "good" . it at least did feel more spontaneous though, like it was bad but honest bad because it was just real people, most memes now are just botted and prefabritacted by partisans, they are just below the line ad campaigns. I think IB are pretty dead user wise too, even the popular ones are an illusion of activity to keep autists going in circles. For example i remember a post some artist saying he was hired by a single dude for 2000$ to make like a million different wojacks and pepes. So you see a bunch of those iterations and think maybe is real people adding to it but is might be just one massive fucking faggot spamming his 2 terabytes of soyjacks made by a pajeet.
In the case of my country local board saw the best quality in humor, discourse and most proactive userbase around 2012. after 2015 it became pepewojaktrump pol shitposting as everywhere else with topics that have anything to do with us and hamfisted replies copy pasted from burguers on pol.
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No.27982
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>>27981
Sure, it was a tanglibe tipping point.
It reminds me a lot of this documentary. In how niche subcultures create spontaneously but then mainstream comes, subverts it, co opts it to its purpose (merchandise, propaganda) It injects it with new life, a bazillion newcomers but in the process it kills it permanently and after it can`t even go back to being the same niche as it was before the boom because it exhausted to the point of becoming a parody of itself. Here they even admit ad agencies actively look for this information, infiltrate and sell their findings and this is an old doc (from the time nu metal was gaining prominence and going through that exact cycle)
Now you can imagine with the internet of things is much worse, now even Wendys is saying sassy shit on twitter to other brands, the internet assimilated and swallowed everything but the internet in the process became something else and its culture is a parody of its former self, like kirby if kirby swallowed a huge pile of manure then became itself infused with shit for power.
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