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e5504f No.854835 [Open thread]

Thoughts on Christians in Syria? The main groups there are the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch (65%), the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (15%), and the Syriac Orthodox Church (10%). The rest of the Christian population there (≤10%) belongs variously to the Roman Catholic Church, the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church, the Maronite Catholic Church, and the Assyrian Church of the East.

Thankfully, the Protestant heresy has had a limited impact over there (<1%) as in the rest of the middle eastern Christian community. But of those who do belong to the Protestant heresy, most belong to various Reformed denominations and there are also a few Anglicans over there as well.

Ironically, the Orthodox Christians in Syria refer to themselves as Romans and the Greek Catholics refer to themselves as Melkites (derived from the Semitic word for king, in reference to their allegiance to the Emperor of Constantinople).

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340a8d No.854860

>>854835

based of course, who could say otherwise?

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449567 No.855024

File: 4843e542d0f1ec0⋯.png (583.08 KB,680x470,68:47,300.png)

>>854835

I am a chaldean catholic and I can say for sure, just as what happened after Saddam Hussein, if Assad goes then christians in Syria will suffer

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e34341 No.855059

>>855024

Bashar Assad is the killer of Christians and Muslims in Syria

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449567 No.855168

>>855059

No he's not, without him the sunni salafists and ISIS would have eradicated Christianity from Syria. You cannot blame wars that he did not start on him.

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e412c3 No.855864

>>855059

>being this retarded

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a4f57d No.855730 [Open thread]

religion in politics in latin america is different than the rest of the world, while in most of the countries of eurasia. a big part of the clergy here was "kinda lefty" (not degenerates progressists) while in europe most of them where either fascist of capitalist.

i have read in articles and seen in documentaries that jesuites where the protector of the native americans and oposed the spanish empire

the most succesful lefty groups during the cold war where christian or respected the churches during the cold war (castro, the sandinistas, ELN, etc.)

s6euawg3

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b965a6 No.855731

File: 44f88efe087e54c⋯.jpg (24.67 KB,387x387,1:1,44f88efe087e54cfc72473daa7….jpg)

>ELN, Castro, Sandinistas

>"Respected the churches"

>Ignoring the massacres where those who didn't support their "Liberation Theology" died.

Come on, dude,

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a4f57d No.855732

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>855731

political persecution ≠ religious persecution

2:16

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3e0895 No.855823

>>855731

Liberation theology is unironically correct, anyone who disagrees gets the bullwhip.

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de115f No.855844

>>855823

Yep, marxism is christianity temporalised. The two melded together fit like a glove.

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File: 8518eb4a4dd9259⋯.jpg (1.08 MB,1600x1489,1600:1489,donald_trump_pope_francis.jpg)

1523c7 No.855492 [Open thread]

Pope hates Trump, loves Biden?

This week Red Francis rebuked US Bishops over a plan to rebuke Joe Biden from Communion.

Pope Francis said he was concerned it might come off as “divisive.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/globalist-pope-francis-defends-joe-biden-abortion-policies-says-rebuke-us-bishops-might-look-divisive-pope-frequent-critic-trump/

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35e60a No.855713

>>855693

>These people make it hard to be Christian.

'Carry your cross and follow me.'

If we always had a giga chad Pope it would be easymode to be Christian.

But the west has mostly apostatised so we get the leaders we deserve. Its a good opportunity to show God that we remain faithful even when culture and leadership falter. Good times to be alive.

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57e06a No.855734

>>855713

>the worse the church gets, the better

You don't anticipate many new converts or bringing people into the church then?

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43cac0 No.855769

>>855709

Nobody would expect that

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d08133 No.855782

>>855492

Biden is Catholic. Trump actually converted to Judaism. No one likes the fake Jews.

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892e8b No.855801

>>855782

Biden is Catholic by accident of birth. In practice he follows Moloch.

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a6a194 No.855135 [Open thread]

it seems that moderators of this board delete some threads are they christians etc? no they are not i know why they create this board they action for gathering information winnie the pooh inteli shills they are like chinese comunism CCP some of them russians bots agents….dont you think i see your real ip adress idiots you think 8kun hide your real ip using encryption hahahah and they go others thread watching porn images etc and violent video games ??

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a6a194 No.855170

>>855150

you should know this board is fake with fake christians sometimes i watch how moderators fake it and some threads got deleted because they dont like the true some of them come from another boards they come here to divide and make they own ideas and not the word of God

some threads are created by them with their own ideas and not the word of God this is how they get tracked by fingerprint browser and canvas and the bots

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a6a194 No.855171

>>855150

beware some are inteli gather information by some gov they work like clowns

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0342be No.855175

File: 4dc05241ee95aed⋯.jpg (52.29 KB,750x750,1:1,cat_picture_determined_to_….jpg)

>>855150

Thank you very much for your enquiry.

Due to the proprietorial nature of the software required to create a level of verisimilitude judged necessary to meet the standards expected by /christian/ users, the management has determined that I am not at liberty to divulge proof positive of the claim that this reply is the work of a bot.

I regret any feelings of dissatisfaction this may elicit and hope this picture of a cat offers some small consolation.

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f3fc70 No.855188

>>855175

nice sage troll muhahah i hope this guy show your real ip adress and all moderators dont cry if you get ddos

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264c04 No.855798

bump

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9538d4 No.855794 [Open thread]

Which parts of the bible are literal and which are symbolic?

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a17820 No.855796

>>855794

Easy, you go with the literal route until you run into an impossibility or something bothers you. It could be a moral issue. The Bible even tells you if you have issue with something then don’t do it. So you chicken out and be a coward and wait for Jesus to show you the literal. The literal always wins in the end.

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4d8372 No.855736 [Open thread]

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UFOs/UAPs = Satan and his angels MASQUERADING AS ALIENS IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE WORLD…

Satan's Angels = Evil Angels = Legion = Unclean Spirits = Demons…

There's no such thing as "aliens", "poltergeists", "spirit guides", "light beings", "imps", "goblins", "monsters", "shadow people", "apparitions", "other gods", "ascended masters", "galactic federation", et cetera - THEY'RE *ALL* DEMONS, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM.

Additionaly, there's no such thing as "the universe", "solar system", "other planets" or "outer space"…

If you believe ANY of these things, then you don't believe God and His Bible - if you don't believe God and His Bible, THEN YOU HAVE TO DIE AND GO TO HELL…

If you believe in "aliens", "outer space", "other planets", "globular Earth", or the like, then you're *NOT* born again - people that have God's Holy Spirit living inside of them *KNOW* the truth concerning these things – the fact that you've been deceived *MEANS* THAT YOU'RE *NOT* BORN AGAIN…

If you're *NOT* born again, then you will almost certainly worship the Antichrist as well as take his mark - if you're *NOT* born again, then you *MUST* be destroyed in the Lake of Fire…

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He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Psalm 78:49

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Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Hebrews 13:2

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2851ea No.855786

>>855785

Jesus Christ’s throne, the throne of God, can also make us more beautiful, or tougher. It can make us more muscular, or leaner. It can also make our spirit have more faith, or understanding.

But in all these things, God can send our body, soul, and spirit back to familiar things again where we are with our loved ones, our family, again.

Likewise, Jesus gave us the strength to live alone if we have to and in bitter and loneliness start our own family with God some day as a last resort. Whatever we shall do we do it for the LORD who’s name is Christ Jesus, King of Kings, King of the Jews.

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2851ea No.855787

File: e8ccd89a668ef39⋯.jpeg (103.8 KB,1280x720,16:9,01B10866_1EBF_469A_922B_1….jpeg)

>>855786

Toughness should come before beauty though.

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2851ea No.855788

>>855786

Toughness should come before beauty though.>>855736

>UFOs/UAPs = Satan and his angels MASQUERADING AS ALIENS IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE WORLD…

Now then, I want to address the issue of demons disguising themselves as UFOs though. Many demons are going around disguising themselves as UFOs and flying around controlled by the United Nations (UN) and to balance the powers of the governments of the world they go and shut down the United States’ nuclear bomb facilities and turn on the ones in foreign countries. They do this because the UN believes that this is their duty to perform this function even though they are demons and deceived by the Jews, whom Jesus Christ is going to destroy for their unbelief by allowing the beast to kill them all if they don’t believe in Jesus Christ.

So we hope they do get saved, we don’t want the Jews to be killed or to go to hell.

But the whole UFO flying around thing needs to stop messing with the United States. It is like a Frankenstein monster that the United States created, since we actually started the UN, and now it is like an unholy ghost, not the Holy Ghost, that goes around like Mars attacks. Jesus let’s it happen though for a reason, it can’t effect us if we are already assured to be God’s Child by the blood of God’s Son.

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2851ea No.855789

>>855788

Couple of links relevant to why UFOs are linked to nuclear bombs, as well as the “nuclear family”

https://www.newsmax.com/scitech/ufo-uap-us-nuclear/2021/06/09/id/1024469/

http://www.depression-guide.com/blog/dissolving-nuclear-family/

https://www.charismanews.com/politics/issues/59665-black-lives-matter-we-will-destroy-the-nuclear-family

Jesus said we have but one Heavenly Father so not to call any man father not even our biological one but to at least understand the difference that our Heavwnly Father will one day grant us resurrection from the dead and much much more in eternity. But it goes to show that the enemy demons hate the family unit because it is not “economically stable” because they are lying and deceiving knowing that it actually is the thing which God made.

Like Jesus said if you marry then you have not sinned, but it is better to not be married. Jesus didn’t say omg if you marry then you have sinned and it must be broken apart!

Basically anywhere the Absolute Truth is spoken, The Enemy tries to attack it because the enemy is scared that if he settles down and tries to live forever also like Jesus that enemies would attack him for the truth also and would win and corrupt it and cause death, causing the life to die. People should still try though, Jesus Christ. Jesus said to occupy until he comes.

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2851ea No.855790

God said there was darkness in the beginning and before the beginning there was I AM. So God is the God of the beginning and the end, as well s the God of no beginning and no end. God also said if we are not saved then being thrown into hell is like going to a wedding and being cast out into the “outer darkness of the night.” Like Jesus is a star, like the sun, and we want to be close to the light for warmth, and so we go into the darkness when we sin but we must leave the darkness in the dark when we come back into the light of Jesus. This is what we perpetually do for eternity when we repent from the darkness and we ask for forgiveness. The darkness is like barbarianism, if we weren’t allowed freedom to sin and to go traverse the darkness then we would never be able to find new things and explore. That is why the sun is separate from the earth, existence doesn’t just take place in the sun itself, but it takes place as an adventure where we may go to and fro like the angels. Like electrons becoming protons and protons becoming electrons and matter becoming light and light becoming matter again, and fire becoming water and water becoming fire. Sin is when it all just stays in the fire Amen.

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f8abf8 No.854425 [Open thread]

I remember that thread. I think he first tried to post his thread here, got banned and then posted in on a smaller board.

He not just talked about his self-inflicted castration and his justification, but used every single post of his as an excuse to show it off. He definitely did it. There is no way he didn't. I don't remember exact details, but he proved it multiple times with a timestamp.

I wonder if he regretted it now years later. Especially with the transgender craze that ramped up in recent years, he might have gotten a different perspective on his own mutilation.

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9dc1d0 No.854428

>>854425

Yeah, i remember it too, unfortunately I didnt save it, but I knew about it from a screencap on 8chan v9k or r9k i cant remember.

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20b607 No.854440

Castration is not nearly the same as cutting off the penis, though. There is some justification to it. Even Jesus said it's ok to cut off body parts that lead you to sin.

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24b3fc No.855770

Yes. He is a Vegan/Pagan now and posts a thread called "Oh No! Rei is Running Late for School!" on /r9k/ every single day. What a loser!

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44bcaf No.855774

>>854440

That was an analogy Anon, the point is if there's something important to you but it causes you to sin, cut it out of your life. Self-mutilation is a sin

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14883f No.855718 [Open thread]

The idea that the natural world and the supernatural world are separate realms of reality is a rather modern notion in reaction to the advances of both medieval philosophy and even more so advances in modern science contrary to the Biblical view. The authors of the Bible understood the natural world to be in many ways continuous with the supernatural world, they were both causally linked. This of course does not mean that the ancients were necessarily naturalists or materialists in the philosophical sense, they weren't, and they did recognize that a higher and distinct realm existed from the one we experience in everyday life, but that this didn't fully necessitate full distinction between the two. For example, the Bible's cosmology(s), which were deeply rooted in the surrounding cultures, imagine the stars and planets as actual living creatures (see Job 38:7, Psalm 33:7, Psalm 148:3-6, Isaiah 40:26, Deuteronomy 4:19, not to mention the countless times Yahweh is attached with the title "Yahweh of hosts/Yahweh of armies" the hosts/armies being thought of as the stars). Of course modern people know better and interpret these metaphorically as anthropomorphisms, but that's not how the original writers would have understood this at all. New Testament cosmology has both elements of Semitic and Greek thought in it, particularly Middle Platonic ideas that show up mostly in Paul, and also Stoic physics in it as well that show up also a lot in Paul but also in the Gospel traditions too. The ascension of Jesus in the first chapter of Acts, for example, clearly presupposes a tripartite universe found in Mesopotamian thought as well as in some Greek cosmological traditions. Now a great example of Stoic physics in the New Testament would be the envisioning of the Holy Spirit as a fiery entity for example (Acts 2:2-4). In fact, the entire concept behind the "Ruach" in the Old Testament (which is later primarily referred to as the Holy Spirit in both the New Testament and Talmud) is more or less a leftover from an quite older religious tradition of animism, the Greeks had quite a similar concept as the Semites did which isn't surprising given their proximity to each other and the fact that Greek religion was significantly influenced by Near Eastern religion. Other examples of Greek physics would be Paul's mention of the different kinds of glories inherent in the different sorts of bodies (1 Corinthians 15:40). In short, the Biblical worldview(s)Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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422329 No.855719

>>855718

get a life fedora

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6a0e2a No.855721

>>855718

1. atheism can be a belief

2. atheism can be a religion; see marxist-leninism and 'god building'.

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7bb227 No.855728

Atheism is the belief that you are god

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9eed2e No.855760

File: 481e614af4197a6⋯.png (484.63 KB,580x424,145:106,ClipboardImage.png)

https://palladiummag.com/2019/05/31/xi-jinping-in-translation-chinas-guiding-ideology/

https://www.dawn.com/news/1457496

People are incorrigibly religious. If you brainwash them into rejecting God they will worship something else.

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814e26 No.855761

>>855721

/thread

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bc9766 No.855541 [Open thread]

Who is correct about the afterlife/intermediate state?

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c6af02 No.855550

File: 905c79f256e3261⋯.jpg (281.91 KB,1000x1192,125:149,christ_in_limbo_fra_angeli….jpg)

Painting of Christ crashing the door to lead the righteous to heaven.

A demon got squished under the door :}.

But i dont think its theologically accurate that there would be demons there.

>>855548

It's the internet…

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bc9766 No.855551

>>855549

Yes but when I included Limbo there I meant the Limbo of the Infants not the Limbo of the Fathers.

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80c7c2 No.855552

Toll houses are fake and gay, it's a heresy and don't appear anywhere in the bible and no it's not part of a holy tradition in the Orthodox church.

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426914 No.855725

>>855546

before being rude you should help an anon out man

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f22b60 No.855758

>>855541

i would probably guess, catholic categories with orthodox qualities, for example toll houses are a descriptor for purgatory.

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File: a0dbab227c17286⋯.mp4 (5.1 MB,640x360,16:9,christwave.mp4)

7b798f No.855017 [Open thread]

Do people have more stuff like this? I'm looking for anything audiovisually intensive and inspirational. Preferred without the gringy surprise beginning.

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b374a3 No.855021

File: 3233c92c18fc173⋯.png (709.81 KB,1008x541,1008:541,hPbRCVW.png)

>>855017

You'll find plenty like it if you look up Christwave. We could use a lot more of it, particularly videos similar to "Take Back Our Future" (which was so influential that JewTube banned the original and put a filter in place to prevent reuploads of it); a Christ-centered theme not associated with Nazism, but nevertheless showing the appeal of a moral, Christian society that has

>stable, healthy families

>friendly, tight-knit communities

>fraternity

>maternity

>peace

>charity

>unity

>an overall "good old days", pre-lockdown vibe

And more on full display. Considering the mess we're in right now thanks to secular lunatics, I have the feeling Christwave (and Christianity in general) will rise to prominence once again.

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e6f02d No.855041

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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979570 No.855737

>>855017

>>855021

Do you or anyone else know the source video(s) from :20 to :24 in the thread video?

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98ec4e No.855738

File: 863b1cc5a70c908⋯.webm (2.82 MB,640x800,4:5,1620737438862.webm)

This webm profoundly affected me. The illustrations and music are striking.

The Bible in one minute basically.

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f6fd41 No.855742

>>855738

I always like Gustave Dore's art.

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File: 5413061211d57b2⋯.jpg (147.54 KB,496x435,496:435,Tissot_Shem_Ham_and_Japhet….jpg)

de6696 No.855282 [Open thread]

Which of Noah's sons are you descended from? I am a son of Japheth through Magog. You???

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246b6d No.855624

File: 001f1de72bf396d⋯.jpg (715.81 KB,1920x1080,16:9,Gen10Map2.jpg)

>>855611

this.

the chinks too.

Adamite = Aryan.

period.

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13ffa0 No.855631

>>855282

Doesn't matter, my friend. We're all sons of Adam and, if we put our faith in Jesus, sons of Abraham as well. Cheers.

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ca0101 No.855651

Shem through Eber, because I'm ethnically (though not religiously) Jewish.

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5bfb62 No.855653

>>855285

Whether or not you subscribe to its theology, the Bible has been found to be historically accurate in its entirety. The even to the degree that the geneology of mankind can be traced back to a singular mother.

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705578 No.855724

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Japheth -> Turk ->>> Alash-Khan

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e174e4 No.854598 [Open thread]

I've stumbled upon a collection of Islamic nasheeds online. They are very beautiful and well-composed, so much so that I can't stop listening to them even though they are not very good for my soul.

What are some similar genres of music from Christian perspective that I can listen too instead? They can be from any culture or era, as long as they are explicitly Christian in nature, and not whiny PC bulls— like 90% of 'religious' music today that's not made by Islamists.

Also, Christian Music General

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6c42e0 No.855524

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5536a8 No.855703

>>854598

The Scottish Metric Psalter

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ecda11 No.855707

>>855071

I've noticed this as well. Secular musicians seem to do a better job of extolling heroism and other virtues of Christianity than many Christian musicians, who often just produce recycled pop rock love ballads with Jesus filling in for women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtbbIB776ks

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a88db5 No.855717

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File: 0513fc91c095d28⋯.png (2.88 MB,1196x1196,1:1,cover.png)

I made a Christian Vaporwave song: https://files.catbox.moe/u5ggsn.mp3 It's called "Jesus is my joy". (I tried uploading the .mp3 directly to 8kun but it wouldn't let me)

I really like Vaporwave and thought it would a pretty cool thing to do a Christian Vaporwave track from a CCM sample. I have way too much Christian music in my HDD, so I just picked one CCM song that sounded good and after two days of doing stuff in Ableton the song was finished. What do you think about this song? Does it suck as vaporwave? Is it good?

I want to do Christian Vaporwave, like Vacation Bible School but something more "pop" and easier to listen to; I would use CCM samples. The genre in general would be something like the song I did, with that 80s jazzy vapor vibe that's nice. What do you think about it? Would you hear it? Do you think it's a good idea to make music like this? Do you think it has a future at all? It would feel like watching televangelists in the 80s at midnight for sure.

CCM is clearly dying forgotten; doing Vaporwave from CCM songs would be a great way to at least spark some interest for it. Christian Vaporwave would be pretty cool tbh.

Have a nice day and God bless you!

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50e617 No.855722

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>>855707

Case in point:

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e47759 No.855700 [Open thread]

Do animal abuser face damnation? God gave animal ability to love. Animals must have souls. Animal cruelty a sin?

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c0eafe No.855155 [Open thread]

Peter is not the rock. The Revelation that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God IS the Rock. Jesus did NOT say "That thou art Peter, and upon thee I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

Jesus said "That thou art Peter, and upon THIS ROCK I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". The catholics have sadly missed it for more than 1700 years.

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."

"Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

With all due respect to catholics but the Precious Rock of christians is their Lord Jesus Christ but the rock of the catholics is the rotting carcass of Peter.

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b6402b No.855269

>>855268

Why was he the rock? Because of his confession of faith. So every believer who confesses participates in that archetype who is Peter. Now I dare say show me a Church Father who excludes either interpretation.

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682299 No.855270

>>855269

Are you reading what I'm saying?

The linked fathers say the rock in question is not Peter. Other fathers cited say the rock was Peter.

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b957c6 No.855681

>>855157

Proving Peter was the rock does not prove papist claims.

You can have a cyprianic interpretation of every bishop holding the office of Peter.

The church fathers on this were on the majority view that either Christ is the rock(Origen, Jerome, Augustine when they actually are exegeting the passage years after they wrote the papist prooftexts of them stating the Peter=rock.) view or Peter's confession is the rock

Just as Petrus/Cephas is derived from Petra/Kepha, so is Peter/Petrus/Kephas built on the Rock/Petra/Kepha. This view is found in Origen, Jerome, Augustine, etc.

I would rather follow the church fathers on this than a church that has been in constant enemity with the scripture's being sufficient for equipping the man of God for every good work

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b957c6 No.855682

>>855258

Absolute state of e-caths that don't know anything other than churchfathers.org

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/the-church-fathers-interpretation-of-the-rock-of-matthew-1618-an-historical-refutation-of-the-claims-of-roman-catholicism-by-william-webster/

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b957c6 No.855683

>>855244

Yeah the wordplay of petra and petrus to signify something more than petrus = petra is attested by church fathers.

Just as petrus is derived from petra, so is Petrus built on the petra which is Christ.

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a977ae No.855030 [Open thread]

One of the main problems with Protestant exegesis is its use of the Historical-Grammatical method for the scriptures. This is not how the writers of the New Testament would have interpreted the scriptures, especially not in relation to the specific prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. The writers of the New Testament relied on Midrashic interpretations of the OT in relation to Christ, for them the scriptures held deeper levels of meaning that even the original authors may not have been aware of when composing the text. This method of interpretation is called Pesher. This is why, for example, John 19:28-29 says the scripture was "fulfilled" when Christ was offered the holy sponge, it is in reference to Psalm 69:21. A surface level reading of this text demonstrates nothing predictive, yet John speaks of it as being fulfilled in Christ. The OT was interpreted allegorically by the NT writers, as they were simply applying the hermeneutic methods of their day and found that Jesus Christ does indeed fulfill the OT. Jesus is the Old Testament as a human, the entire Old Testament is one big hint for Christ, and many of the Church Fathers employed this type of exegesis to scripture. This also why Catholic/Orthodox and Protestant debates often talk past each other, they are applying completely different methods of exegesis. Catholic/Orthodox use the more ancient method, whereas Protestantism relies on a newer more rationalistic approach to scripture which ends up negating much of what Christ does in the New Testament. It's also why, for example, Catholics and Orthodox consider Mary as a New Eve or Ark of the Covenant for example, they are employing this ancient method of Midrashic interpretation and imbuing the text with great meaning and significance and it is what the NT writers were doing in this first place, the Catholic/Orthodox method is just a continuation of this.

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60fc9f No.855031

File: cb051cc72c095a3⋯.png (62.65 KB,658x259,94:37,56e037902.png)

Two things 1) Its not a strength to be comparing yourself to the midrash 2) "Typologies" are not the same thing as gnostic oral traditions nullifying the text as the midrash and talmud does, and furthermore Christians actually do believe in typologies without all that kind of stuff. Christ himself is and is represented by the ark of the covenant, for example. Comp. John 20:12 with Psalm 80:1 and 99:1. Matthew 2:15 shows us the type of Hosea 11:1. Matthew 2:18 gives us the type of Jeremiah 31:15. Matthew 2:23 contains the type of Isaiah 11:1. Hebrews 10:5 presents the type of Psalm 40:6. Etc.

None of that implies any kind of gnostic style of thought like pic related, or numerology, or gnostic gospels, etc.

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8d32f8 No.855480

>>855030

In other words Catholics and Orthodox spend their energy contemplating the meaning of the scriptures as a whole rather than autistically kvetching about individual words and punctuation.

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3d1121 No.855680

>>855030

cringe.

One look at the medieval scholastics(Aquinas is the biggest example) will disprove your view

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015d72 No.855712

>main problems with Protestant exegesis

ok im reading

>New Testament relied on Midrash

stopped reading

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