/32/ - Psychopolitics

>>2318

Your wording is complex but I can see what you are saying, It's a matter I have been into for some years..

Firstly, If you are asking us, on how to control yourself, and protect yourself from OTHERS control, you are being paradoxical IMO. I don't know what you have read on, but the way I see it people over-complicate things.

The true path, is to become as independent in thought as your socially wired brain allows for. To bypass the "desire" to fit in and obey for survival.

What does that mean? This means that almost all your thoughts and "opinions" will arise from your own calculations and estimations on the world around you built on your knowledge and personal experience.

Let me explain further, say you have a decision to make on how you feel about the Prison system. What you'd do is research non emotional papers, and read STATISTICS, and other formal information that has not been skewed,.

Then, you take the information, filter the cherrypicking and logical fallacies out, and make your OWN case study on what is most likely the closest to truth.

In short, the key to everything is becoming rational. The word rational itself, like almost all other dangerous words has been used up and fouled. You need to learn to regulate the emotions that prevent you from making logical ASSUMPTIONS on STATISTICAL observations you yourself make.

Lets say you wanted to make an objective estimation on the intelligence of black people,

you'd read up on any scientific and statistical facts on their cranial capacity and frontal lobe development. But in doing this you'd also have to account for the "propaganda error", yes that's right the rate of error due to subversion, agenda and other cherry-picking meant to lead you off path. When you account for all the emotionally loaded injections into the facts you want to read up on, you look around and use your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as a valid source. Because what other source is more believable to you than your own experience, no one can tell you that you didn't drink that glass of water if you did, and no one can tell you that almost all blacks you meet seem to lack the intelligence to function in a White or Asian culture.

Hence, the conclusion I have come to over the years and in growing up as a socially isolated "nerd" who had to re-learn socializing, has just been to look at society, and people as a scientific phenomena, and learn to account for the error of emotion and human agendas. Be a scientist, that's literally it. Be rational and you will calculate your way through every other doubt you may have, regardless of long it will take it is objectively the best and most logical way, to be logical. If I'm not mistaken, Sociopaths and politicians have the ability to logically analyze emotions and where they come from, and thus understand what needs to be done to produce a desired emotional response, this would be part of your goals(especially with women, they are more controlled by emotions and you will play them like a fiddle if you have intelligence and social skills combined).

The way to become logical is largely to learn how to differentiate your own logically derived opinions and emotions, from socially induced criteria and expectations. If you really want to become a master of this path, I recommend becoming used to using mathematics and the scientific method. Study a STEM degree in University, Mathematics, Biology, Medicine, Engineering all of those are objectively true sciences with legitimately no propaganda instilled into the real FACTS that you will learn. You will also learn how to derive those facts, and apply the methodology to humans as systems. I don't study mathematics, or even enjoy it, but I respect it for what it is, the art of true and pure logic.

>>2325

Thank you very much for the detailed response. It is a good explanation of how to defend one's own mind.

However, I am looking for much simpler techniques. In short, how do I induce (emotion X) upon demand? How do I induce (emotion X) in another person? How do I learn, train and implement this skill?

Also, were you trying to use some techniques on me with the capitalization etc?

>use your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as a valid source

Kind of a different topic, but there has been a concerted effort for decades to diminish the value of personal experience. "Sure, you THINK you experienced that, but our expert here says you are mistaken/crazy".

I saw two UFOs earlier this year. Some of the attempts to debunk what I saw with my own eyes have been far more ridiculous than the idea of somebody flying advanced craft about. To those who have never experienced it, it is both frustrating and insulting to have somebody who wasn't there clumsily and dismissively tell you what you "really" experienced.

>>2325

What you say is true but be careful with trying to be overly rational.

Most people simply try to suppress emotion in order to accomplish this, which can have some bad side effects.

What's better is being in tune with your emotions and understanding yourself. When you find yourself feeling angry or frustrated - analyze how you are feeling in a detached way and allow yourself to feel that emotion in a controlled way.

>>2318

The best way to deprogram yourself is to turn off your television, tbh. Just generally stop consuming media.

Isolation is another way, but I would be really careful. I isolated myself for over a year and completely destroyed my personality, and now I have really bad social anxiety. What I discovered is that there is very little 'me' that exists 'below' the social 'programming'. So, I would be very careful.

I also agree with this >>2327 anon. Rationality only gets you so far. A lot of what it means to be human is navigating social spaces, and that takes emotion/intuition, not just rationality, in my experience.

>>2326

Inducing emotions upon demand, as far as I know, is really difficult. But, I did have a buddy who learned how to do this, but it took professional help and equipment. He did biofeedback training. Basically, as he described it, they hooked him up to a machine that projected his brainwaves on a TV screen - he described them as squiggly lines. Then he said he just spent long periods of time trying to make the lines straight. He said when he could do it successfully it made him feel 'high' (he was in the mental institution for drug 'addiction' among other things). I also knew a girl who said that she did the same thing, except for her they played a movie. Whenever her brain waves went 'wrong', the movie would slow down or stop. Thus, in order to watch the movie, she had to keep herself in a particular (calm) state. She said she was being treated for anxiety disorder.

Hope this helps.

>>2318

>What are some practical techniques of suggestion to program/deprogram myself?

Face all of your fears. Write down all of your dreams.

Although other anons already gave very good answers, I will tell you my own views on the matter.

I assume that by "deprogramming" you mean slipping out of any conditioned state of behavior or feeling. While this can be seen as a good idea, a lot of what makes us who we are comes from primary and secondary socialization, and as >>2328 mentioned, a significant part of being human is navigating social spaces. An anon tried to start a poorly worded thread some time ago commenting on the fact that people don't think that mainstream cultural indoctrination is in itself a kind of brainwashing and programming. What I'm trying to say by that is that you cannot completely deprogram yourself and still function in society.

You mention using meditation to trigger yourself into a particular state of mind. While that certainly has a lot of potential and is very interesting (to the point that I would ask you to tell us more about that, such as how you learned these techniques and how they work), it seems that in this particular scenario there are limitations. Namely, the idea that a specific state of mind or emotional state will prevent that you be influenced doesn’t seem very good to me, because if the person trying to influence you (consciously or not) is mildly competent at it, they will adapt their approach to your responses, using such feedback to tailor their actions and select their techniques.

My suggestion is at the same time simpler and harder: follow them maxim of knowing yourself. Self-analysis is a greatly underappreciated skill nowadays, but it can give you great insight not only about yourself but about others. Whenever you interact with someone or consume media, try to analyze how you feel and what you are thinking about specific arguments, scenes and lines. Seek to understand how you respond to key points, and most importantly whyyou respond to them that way. It is likely that once you being questioning why you think and feel in a certain way you will begin questioning all of your established beliefs and feelings, leading to better development and a sense of self-knowledge. I say this is simpler because I can describe what to do in this paragraph, not needing to link you to instruction papers and videos. On the other hand this is harder because there is no “trigger” to activate a response, you would need to be constantly alert and consciously observing and analyzing everything that goes through your mind, including thoughts that seem spontaneous. This also helps with insight on others because once you realize how similarly the minds of different individuals work you can put themselves in their place and empathically investigate the causes for their bahavior.

I agree with >>2356 in that knowing yourself is the secret to 'deprogramming'. It's impossible to consume any amount of media without getting some taint, and this is unavoidable. But media doesn't have to be consumed to stay aware of the times; learning of this world's cyclical history and studying philosophy tends to help more. Anyway, all media will have some level of bias, and at first this will affect you. As the saying goes, "Anyone who's been effectively brainwashed doesn't know that they've been brainwashed", and to avoid this you merely need to be able to notice when you've been impacted. You can still be affected, but you'll come to be less and less so.

In summary:

Regularly question the integrity of your beliefs, and you'll deprogram yourself.

Cold Showers. Weight lifting. No drinking. No smoking. For a few months.

Then a heroic dose of Psylocibins.

>>2421

MENS SANA IN CORPORE SANO

This poster makes a good point when suggesting that lifestyle choices that contribute to physical health are also beneficial to one's mental capacities, but two things strike me as inaccurate.

First, while there seems to be some empirical evidence that cold showers help with dermatological problems, increase circulation and help with muscle inflammation, there is no credible study that proves that taking cold showers has any positive effect on one's psyche. To quote the original study which sparked this idea:

>The following evidence appears to support the hypothesis: Exposure to cold is known to activate the sympathetic nervous system and increase the blood level of beta-endorphin and noradrenaline and to increase synaptic release of noradrenaline in the brain as well. Additionally, due to the high density of cold receptors in the skin, a cold shower is expected to send an overwhelming amount of electrical impulses from peripheral nerve endings to the brain, which could result in an anti-depressive effect. Practical testing by a statistically insignificant number of people, who did not have sufficient symptoms to be diagnosed with depression, showed that the cold hydrotherapy can relieve depressive symptoms rather effectively. The therapy was also found to have a significant analgesic effect and it does not appear to have noticeable side effects or cause dependence. In conclusion, wider and more rigorous studies would be needed to test the validity of the hypothesis.

Secondly, I don't understand why the anon suggested that these changes are applied "for a few months" instead of permanently.. They probably mean that one should act this way for a few months before using Psylocibins.

As for the use of psychotropics, I have no comments on their effectiveness or ineffectiveness. Just be sure to carefully research whatever substance you decide to try.

>>2432

tv isn't the problem - rather the people who produce the programs

it's like saying "burn all books because of the talmud"

>>2425

Secondary evidence is unreliable when one doesn't know the person it's from well.

>>2318

critical thinking and constant learning

>>2433

But you see, the very nature of television is that it continues on without any agency from the viewer. You do not engage the content, you simply receive it.

>>2459

I've heard people say this before, but I disagree. For starters: if you've ever really read the movie credits you'll find that a lot of people have done a lot of different things that you may have missed on first sight. For each element in a TV-show (basic start is differentiating sound from video & start focusing on the sounds that are played with the video that's output) there's a lot of depth that define those parts of the production. Eventually you'll start to learn the techniques how elements are manipulated inside of shots, and see that everything is built to support a dramatic narrative. I think that the production focussing on dramatic narrative makes it easy to have such a passive experience. Everything is made to seem as natural as possible inside the narrative frame. But the narrative frame is not the interesting part of the show, its the conception of the narrative and the supporting elements, since that too is fully created by the production (even if the star of the show is telling a "true" story). Eventually TV will never be the same, and each program will have its own format which makes it interesting even when at first it seemed some kind of shit show

>>2318

insight in to emptiness gives greater malleability of mind and all its faculties. i can cultivate any emotional state at will now. with meditation you learn to take control of the minds associative ability so you can do what you need to do internally.

to influence others probably look into some western occult practice ontop of this.

NLP is learnt from in person classes, they run about anywhere from 8 to 16k.

I can not justify the belief that indifference poses a solution, and that one has objected to any sort of free will. Most aspects of life are uncontrollable, and you are subjected to be the product of your "Environment". All you can do is critically reason, but that will gradually poison you because that's not how we are designed to live. If you want to project yourself into a machine, soon you will get so detached that any chance of life pulling you back in will end in suicide.