No.63751
Is it just me or are they both equally annoying? One group is filled with very condescending Ramen dick suckers, the other group turns on every wrestler because the pencil neck writers don't know how to book shit.
No.63752
>>63751
>Implying both smark/sheeple aren't one in the same.
>sheepleposters? That's a new one.
No.63755
its an indication of a decline in board quality but im hoping if everyone just ignores them they'll remember this isnt the place for their faggotry
No.63757
>>63755
>Implying that 100% of this board isn't pure faggotry already.
>On the topic of talking about sweaty fat men wrestling each other nearly naked.
No.63762
>>63757
>DAE RAMEN
>DAE GAY COMMUNITY
>DAE ELF NEVILLE
>DAE TYPING A SINGLE WORD / NO ONE RESPONDS / KEEP DOING IT YOURSELF
>DAE I I I ME ME ME
No.63767
>>63751
The turning on wrestlers shit is getting really annoying, Although some of that is due to the wrestlers themselves not performing well (nakamura, ziggler especially). But writing is a huge fucking part of it.
No.63769
>>63767
Yeah it's ticking me off. I still like Nakameme and Ziggles even though they've phoned it in recently. Just because they do something you dislike doesn't mean you fucking turn on them. But yeah it's mostly writing.
No.63771
>>63769
Ziggler especially has been dropping the ball with everyone he has matches with. Probably because creative has zero vision of what to do with him. I think at this point in his career he should shift into being a grizzled angry veteran similar to a late 90s bret hart. Maybe ditch the superkick for a submission hold to help boost his heel appeal? I hold out hope for nakamura though, I feel like once he gets back in the ring with AJ he's going to actually want to try hard and have a good match cause of their history together. Them in a 3 way with cena is my match for summerslam. (face of NJPW vs Face of TNA vs Face on WWE)
No.63772
>>63771
From what I hear, Ziggler is thinking of leaving wrestling, so that might be reason why he's not working so hard as before.
No.63773
>>63771
>Nakamura
>Face of NJPW
No.63774
>>63772
>Ziggler is thinking of leaving wrestling
He really should've lost that career vs title match against The Miz last year.
No.63775
>>63773
You could argue that Samoa Joe was a bigger face in his prime for TNA than AJ was too.
No.63777
>>63772
If he has the money and a clear plan for what to do afterwards then he should, Wrestling is hell on your body so you shouldn't stick around if you don't really want to/need to.
>>63773
Tanahashi is the ace no denying that. Nakamura is a close second though, and in the context of my "Face of the Mid 2000's-2010's of their respective companies Dream Match" I think he fits pretty well. Like >>63775 said Joe was a bigger draw in TNA, but I think AJ fits the role of Ace better, and has also aged better as a performer in my opinion.
No.63778
>>63775
I can see that. For all that's said about AJ being the face of TNA, and all that he did for them, I don't think he actually got that one really big or scenario which really elevated him to such a level. Samoa Joe's initial undefeated streak was a huge thing for him. AJ won the NWA title thrice and the TNA title thrice but it didn't feel like a momentous occasion in the long term. Evil Ways AJ I guess turned out to be one of the most notable things he did but that was in 2013, in his last year with them, at a point where TNA began to be a shell of its former self.
>>63777
He does some financial or politic talks with Fox business so he has his options open.
If Tanahashi was the John Cena or Stone Cold of NJPW, then Nakamura is the Randy Orton or The Rock of NJPW.
No.63785
>>63762
>Ramen
There's no "Ramen".
No.63786
>>63751
Yeah, all wwe fans are annoying.
No.63793
Depends what you define as a smark. Anyone who legit hates a WWE character is a complete fucking mark getting worked into a shoot by Vince. Just don't reply to retarded posts, most of them are bait or just /asp/ faggotry. Inviting everyone here for WM33 was a mistake.
I personally like Roman as well as lucha and nindie flippy shit. As for Roman, most people just hate how he's booked and how he sounds on the mic. I think he has potential that we'll see develop in the coming years. I'm also one of those fags that wants him to go heel. He could be a perfect cocky bad ass type heel, but instead they give him lines to read about MAGIC BEANS. People might actually start cheering him if he went heel though. The overwhelming boos he gets as a face is something special whether you like him or not, so as long as he gets those massive reactions, they're probably keeping him face. Even The Rock knows he's fun to boo. Speaking of Rock, considering what turning him heel did for his career, it's a bit astounding they haven't tried to do the same with Roman. Roman obviously doesn't quite have the charisma for the type of heel Rock was, but he shouldn't be forced to be something he's not. I'm a huge mark though.
No.63797
>>63786
>Yeah, all wwe fans are annoying.
This is kinda true actually.
>>63793
I get that hating a WWE wrestler makes you a mark but a character? If we're talking about characters you should have every right to hate a character. Like I'm sure Cena is a nice guy if a bit autistic outside the ring, but his character is shit. Not because he's superman, but because he's an actual piece of shit that's treated like a hero. Same with Enzo.
No.63798
>>63786
NJPW has the best fans.
>You will never hear a concerned Japanese girl call out your name as you wrestle
No.63799
>>63793
Also I would like to say that shilling for WM33 wasn't anything special. It was WM32 that this board got attention.
No.63800
>>63798
Depends, BC and Omega fans are annoying as wwe fans.
No.63801
>>63800
I'm talking specifically about the Japanese fans. As a gaijin I'll be the first to admit gaijin fans can be retarded.
No.63802
>>63798
>ywn here a westaboo fanboy try and start a chant for you
No.63803
>>63798
Western NJPW fans are shit. NJPW purely focuses on the wrestling and smarks like that aspect. They push for their indy guys, who are good workers, in the WWE and try to make it as if being a good worker makes you a good wrestler, but in the WWE, that's not really the case. Their beloved NXT is pretty much like that. They have great matches at TakeOvers but on the main show itself, I can't remember a single good promo in the past year that I've watched NXT.
No.63804
>>63801
Japanese fans know their puros and stick with it. They don't have autistic internet fans constantly telling NJPW that they are shit and should cater to them as far as i know. WWE would have been the same had they still not lost the casual audience.
No.63806
>>63803
>NJPW purely focuses on the wrestling
Nope. They have promos and storylines and turns too. The wrestling is the focus, but they have everything else going on, it's just in Japanese so if you can't speak Japanese I guess you would assume they don't have promos (or only have promos the Bullet Club cuts because they do their shit in English for heel heat with the Jap crowd). The big difference is generally you only get a promo after you win a match, there aren't just promo segments, and that's in big part due to the tournament structure of NJPW's events. They don't have a weekly show (or three) where they have to fill time, so it's just all brackets of matches with promos at the end. Mind you, I'm new to NJPW, but that's what I get of the format so far.
No.63807
>>63804
I think the big difference is that NJPW has always been booked in a satisfying way, where as WWE really lost the fan's trust at a certain point. Mae Young giving birth to a hand.
No.63808
>>63804
>WWE would have been the same had they still not lost the casual audience.
You don't think that they were losing them over the years? You don't think all the hate isn't just a shitload of shitty storylines and crap booking? I think the Cena years did them in, especially when you look at ratings. That's why you see so many fags raving about The Attitude Era, because they hate Cena's PG Era. Also, the "internet fans" shtick is getting old.
EVERYONE IS ON THE INTERNET NOW
>>63807
That Mae Young hand shit was years before the ratings started to dip so I wouldn't really blame that for anything.
No.63809
>>63808
It was a gradual process, they've been losing them since going PG, shit storylines and Cena. When I mean 'internet fan', I mean the super hardcore guys who take wrestling too seriously. Feel like they should have a name, 'smarks' covers most of it but still has its own meaning.
Mae Young giving birth to a hand was in 2000, the year people say was WWE's best. Katie Vick was worse and while the RA era had lower ratings compared to the immensely popular attitude era, people still watched WWE a lot back then.
No.63810
>>63808
I was just giving Mae Young as an amusing example of something that would turn people off from WWE's "booking".
No.63811
>>63806
It's 90% matches, I'm aware that they have storylines and promos. WWE on the other hand focus either equally on matches and promos or focus more on the storylines than the matches. Still a vast difference in how things are done.
No.63812
>>63810
Vince has a real interesting sense of humour.
No.63813
>>63801
Japanese fans are cool.
besides this poser slut
No.63814
>>63811
Oh yeah, it's a massively different way of doing things, which is why I'm surprised people expect stars to transfer well. I mean NJPW and it's fans even prioritizes different things than WWE for it's top people so when you transfer a guy like Devitt/Balor of course they aren't going to get over the same way.
No.63815
>>63809
>When I mean 'internet fan', I mean the super hardcore guys who take wrestling too seriously.
No, I getcha, but that phrase has aged as all hell now. Just use smarks.
>Mae Young giving birth to a hand was in 2000
Early 2000, back when it was still cooking. Also, I think it's assumed that Early RA was pretty good, or at least Smackdown was. I miss Eddie.
No.63817
>>63814
True. Though, Devitt in NJPW got big from creating the Bullet Club, ruling over the super junior division and holding the title for 14 months, occasionally being in the main event spot by wrestling top guys like Tanahashi, Makabe and Okada. But he got that success after years of being in the company. In NXT, he was brought over as if he was a mega star i Japan, but he really wasn't, and I personally thought he was good, but far from as agood as they tried to tell me. Now in the min roster, getting shot to to main event so soon, when the casual audience doesn't know him at all, I think it isn't right. Even AJ Styles had to have feuds with Jericho, Roman and Cena before finally getting to the WWE title, almost 8 months after his debut. Nakamura seems to be getting good reactions even from casuals but whenever he opens his mouth, it's terrible.
No.63818
>>63803
>what are different products?
No.63819
>>63817
I wish they'd let Nakamura talk in Japanese. He cuts a far better promo in Japanese. Fuck, do a reverse bullet club: turn him heel and have him speak Japanese BECAUSE the fans can't understand. Instead he's the fucking "ARTIST". At the least let him talk in Japanese with a translator.
No.63831
>>63819
He wouldn't be nearly as bad if he took his fucking mouthguard out, even pete dunne does that.
No.63832
>>63819
I wish they'd make Nakamura fuck off. he can't speak english and he hasn't wrestled a single good match in WWE.
No.63843
>>63777
Both of them are greatly overrated on the internet. Without Sting, Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner and Christian Cage TNA would've never reached a million viewers.
The company tanked once they got rid of what the internet called "the old guys club".
No.63847
>>63843
company tanked while they were there. They were too expensive and honestly didn't draw a dime. Not that jarrett would know anything about drawing dimes.
No.63849
>>63832
>he can't speak english and he hasn't wrestled a single good match in WWE.
Hi Sheeplefag/Smark. I made this thread just for you.
>>63843
I'm pretty sure it was Joe that was drawing ticket sales. I'll give you Christian, Sting, and maybe Angle, but the rest of them even Booker didn't draw shit tbh.
No.63850
>>63849
Switch the maybe with Christian. Sorry wasn't thinking there.
No.63853
>>63849
>>63843
>>63850
Christian drew at least a few WWE fans to TNA I think. Also Steiner, while not a draw in terms of wrestling ability, VASTLY increased the entertainment value of TNA so I think he was good in the long run.
No.63874
>>63847
>>63849
It was Angle that drew the tickets. Without Kurt Angle joining TNA, it would've never amounted to that buyrate.
Jarrett was the highest merchandise-seller in 2000 for WCW. He has certainly earned a living in wrestling for the last 30 years.
No.63892
>>63853
Yeah I get that. From what I remember when Christian jumped it was the time to watch TNA frankly. I just don't know if he was as big a draw as fucking Angle.
>>63874
Yeah, that's why I decided to switch the maybe with Christian. >>63850
No.63910
>>63832
Nakamura is just simply fucking gay. Only faggots want to see him prance around and make stupid faces like a mongoloid.
No.63912
>>63831
Yeah, the mouth guard really isn't helping shit.
No.63918
No.63919
No.63926
>>63910
I'm gonna miss you Dolph.
No.64009
>>63772
>thinking of leaving wrestling
I can't blame him! WWE wastes him by never giving him a thing. TNA is dead. Meme masks and flippy jap wrestling crews aren't much of a fit for Ziggler.
No.64320
>>63926
>>63918
Dolph is fucking gay too, frankly. In fact pretty much 90% of the WWE roster is warmed over dog shit.
No.64359
No.64999
>OP gets himself worked into a shoot because people have opinions
No.65135
The meme that the Ruthless Aggression-era was good needs to end. It was during that time Vince was consoling Russo to come back to save the ratings. The show stunk and they turned every gimmick into crap, as per example Undertaker turning into a faggy biker.
No.65136
>>64999
>Faggy poster pretends to be a wrestler.
No.65137
>>65135
>implying BikerTaker wasn't much better than le spooky skeleton Taker
No.65143
>>64999
I haven't been in this thread for a while now.
No.65144
>>65135
LMFAO You don't know shit about wrestling history.
Biker Taker was during the Attitude era. During the RA era is when Taker went back to the Deadman.
No.65148
>>65144
Your definition of the Attitude era is retarded. Also
>LMFAO
Nigger, where the fuck do you think you are?
No.65149
>>65148
>Your definition of the Attitude era is retarded.
How is it retarded? He's not wrong you know.
No.65150
>>65137
>implying undertaker was ever good
No.65151
>>65150
I didn't say he was, just that he was much less terrible as a biker
No.65164
No.65175
>>65144
The attitude era ended when Russo&Ferrara left WWF for WCW.
>>65150
One of the greatest wrestlers of all time faggot.
No.65176
>>65149
No, he's not. Attitude Era was Ministry Undertaker.
No.65178
>>65175
Wow Imagine being this casual
No.65179
>>65177
>Being this gay for Trump's mouth.
No.65180
>>65179
>being so gay that you notice his mouth in that pic
No.65186
>>65164
nu
>>65176
Biker Taker showed up in 2000. That's Attitude Era.
No.65191
Attitude Era > Ruthless Aggression Era > Old Generation Era > New Generation Era > PG Era > Reality Era > New Era
No.65193
>>65191
"new era" is way better than either the PG or reality area dude c'mon. I know looking back on things makes them seem better compare a show now to one even 3 years ago and the contrast in quality is really obvious.
No.65196
>>65191
current era is better than anything pre-1997
No.65197
>>65196
The undercard pre 97 is unbearable, but the character work, especially by hogan and macho, makes the main events some of the best ever. You also have both WWE and WCW having really great runs in the 80's with flair and hogan leading each company.
No.65200
>>65193
New Era is shit. Besides New Era/Reality Era are the same as the PG Era, nothings changed.
>>65196
New Era/Current Era is shit compared to "New Generation Era". Besides the New Generation had Stone Cold, The Rock & DX before the Attitude Era officially began.
No.65201
>>65200
>nothing's changed
Watch a show from 2 to 3 years ago and a show now. Shit has definitely changed. It was just a more gradual change. Fuck even the stories are doing better now. Look at how they handled braun this year, or AJ's rise to super heel champ. Cena's transition to the veteran leader. Shit went really well last year overall, I mean lots of stuff sucked too but mostly it went pretty good. We are only 1 year into this "new era" shit so it may pan out to be worse than anything before it. Although being worse than new generation would be fucking impossible that shit sucked ass.
No.65202
>>65201
New Era is cancer. The ratings had been declining. People think the New Generation era was bad, but the ratings were at least higher back then than it is right now. New Era gave us TOO MUCH wrestling and not enough ENTERTAINMENT. By two much wrestling, I mean an 8 hour Wrestlemania shit show, a 3 hour Raw that's completely shit, 2 hours of Smackdown, 1 hour of 205 Live, 1 hour of NXT, 3 hours of 2 PPV's a month, plus 1 hour of a pre-show. That's way too many hours of wrestling that I'm not going to watch. In one week you'll be spending 12 hours of wrestling if you were to watch 1 PPV, 1 Raw, 1 Smackdown, 1 205 Live, & 1 NXT. That's half a day. It's nuts. I can think of better things to do with my time than to put up with that bullshit. At least the New Generation Era only gave us 2 hours of wrestling.
No.65203
>>65201
Everything good about the new era was undone at wrestlemania and the following night with the shake-up. New Era, so far, was only good for about a year. I say this as someone who started watching again because he liked the New Era and has now stopped watching because of how hard they've been shitting the bed since Wrestlemania.
No.65205
>>65202
Ratings have been declining cause they're going up against basketball. But I completely agree we have way too much content coming out, but this was a problem in the reality and PG era as well. At least now we have some good matches and storylines instead of the trash that was the last few years.
>>65203
Completely agree, Shit has been real bad lately. Last weeks raw was really good though, and I imagine the reason they haven't been doing well is they wanna save the good stuff for after the NBA playoffs as ratings were gonna go down regardless of the quality. It's a shit excuse but It's the one I imagine the creative team over there coming up with. At least NXT has been consistently good every week since chicago.
No.65206
>>65205
>Ratings have been declining cause they're going up against basketball.
Using the WWE's excuse, aren't you? The ratings aren't declining because of competition with the NFL or NBA. It's because WWE has focused too much on wrestling & not enough on entertainment to pull in the casual crowd.
No.65207
>>65206
>focused too much on wrestling
That's why over half the show is crappy promos right? Listen dude that aspect is the weakest but that's because their writing staff is shit not because they don't focus on it. And they aren't losing the casual crowd with the NBA they're losing the hardcore crowd, which is the only crowd that actually watches WWE anymore and wrestling in general. Wrestling as a medium is fucking dead culturally, they dropped the ball so hard after mania 17 that any momentum they had there never escalated beyond that.
No.65227
>>65207
>Implying that promos are the only form of entertainment.
You know what's missing? Cars being smashed or broken. A wrestler spraying beer at the other wrestlers. A wrestler defying authority. The kind of drama that makes you think whether any of this is real. That's what's missing. We are forced down our throats "Womyn's Revolution" matches, "cruiserweight matches" with some silly guy jumping around in an umbrella, fast pushes of Indy Famous Wrestlers like Finn Balor being pushed to the moon(only for him to get injured after winning the Universal title). It's as if WWE is desperate to appeal to the "hardcore wrestling crowd".
No.65254
>>65227
Everything you're saying is just really common complaints from internet wrestling fans, and I really don't get where it's coming from at all. The only show that even comes close to appealing toward the hardcore wrestling crowd is NXT, and that's mostly cause of budgetary reasons I suspect. RAW panders to casuals pretty heavily, and none of the matches are high enough quality to attract hardcore fans. On a side note, Finn got pushed to the top cause he A) carried NXT for them and made it profitable. B) Would attract fans in asia and the UK, two smarkets WWE is making major plays in. C) His good looks attract female fans. and D) His demon persona is perfect for selling toys, it's the kind of thing non-wrestling fan kids would want to buy even. Him being an indie guy is just an added bonus of attracting those kinds of fans, not the main reason.
No.65305
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>>65202
>wrestling in a wrestling program is bad
>need more MEMES and 30 minute promos
>whaaa whaaa 12 hours of entertainment per week how am I going to find time to look at porn or other equally useless shit
No.65307
No.65308
>>65254
It's a common complaint because nobody likes the new direction the WWE is going.
>>65305
>porn
>implying you don't fap to it.
t.hypocrite
No.65309
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>>65308
>having self control and more worthwhile uses for time than being a degenerate is impossible
No.65311
>>65309
>no option to remove spoiler that was accidentally left on
8chan posting is suffering.
No.65315
>>65309
Self control? LOL What are you? A Christian? Or a faggot?
No.65331
>>65308
No, I'm not talking about general complaints about WWE, I'm talking about your specific kind of complaints that are really off base and only criticize the surface level. The problem isn't "too much wrestling" it's that the writers don't know how to write good characters and dialogue. And devoting more time to the bad characters and dialogue is just gonna make the show suck more than it is now, especially if they bring back garbage TV shit like what you're suggesting. Not trying to drag you down but you don't really know what you're talking about (not that I do either I guess) and most of what your suggesting would just make the show worse. The attitude era stuff worked in the attitude era because it was built around the characters of that time. And again, WWE isn't match quality focused, if it was we would be getting a program similar to NJPW (who I might add has your desired realism down pat and has also attracted some of the casual crowd with sheer match quality and good characters with strong personalities). The only reason it may feel like that is because the matches are the only good part of the show and thus are the only thing you actually remember. But anyways I actually have a little bit of optimism for RAW now anyways. Braun, Titus brand, Brock and Joe, Samson, and even the Enzo and Cass breakup being realy good storylines. So again my main point, shit is way better now than back in even 2014 or 2015 but it still isn't great. Just okay.
No.65349
>>65331
>So again my main point, shit is way better now than back in even 2014 or 2015
>CM Punk was still in the company in 2014.
>Daniel Bryan was still wrestling in 2014 & 2015.
>Ratings started declining in 2016/2017(New Era) compared to the years before the New Era.
New Era still sucks compared to back then.
No.65350
>>65349
>CM Punk was in the company in 2014
Yeah, for ONE MONTH, wow.
>Daniel Bryan was still wrestling in 2014 & 2015
He wrestled for maybe 6-8 months in that 2 year preiod before getting injured twice. In that period, his whole 2014 run, as short as it was, still put him in the main event of WM30 and made him world champion. In 2015, his initial return and match with Reigns was probably the most notable thing he did, being thrown in the IC title scene wasn't that memorable.
Ratings have been steadily but progressively been getting worse, the results of today are from years and years of sub par TV produced by WWE.
No.65372
No.65707
>>65350
No, it's been getting worse because the new era shit doesn't work. The cruiserweight division is a joke shoved down our throats. The "womyn's revolution" crap needs to go away. All these indy wrestlers like Shinske Nakamura & Finn Balor isn't doing anything to bring the ratings up, they don't have the star power that CM Punk & Daniel Bryan had.
No.65713
>>65707
Holy shit the double think
>complains about indy wrestlers
>lists CM Punk and Daniel Bryan as stars
I actually enjoyed having discussions on this board too so it makes it all the worse that the same style of shitposting is destroying this board as it did others. I just wanna talk about wrestling not have to deal with this shit.
No.65719
>>65305
>Implying any of those points are wrong
No.65725
>>65713
>Thinks CM Punk & Daniel Bryan are "Indy Famous"
>Despite spending YEARS in the WWE becoming stars in their own right.
>Shinske Nakamura & Finn Balor haven't spent a year in there yet & they're already being pushed to the moon.
What kind of idiot are you?
No.65758
>>65713
>people having opinions that differ from mine is DESTROYING THE BOARD
Sad!
No.65921
>>65707
>>65725
Even when they're pushing someone, they're treated like shit.
No.65954
>>65725
If you can't see the irony of bashing guys for being "indy-famous" while also praising punk and bryan you're either retarded or shitposting. Pretty sure it's the latter so fuck off cunt.
>>65758
>guy obviously just shitposting and ruining a fairly decent discussion thread
>brings in his internet butt buddies from whatever site is deciding to raid this place to back him up
This is exactly what happened on /tv/ and other boards. Please just fucking quit it with the low-tier shitposting alright, it's fucking obnoxious and I just want to have a regular conversation on here.
No.65973
>>65954
>funposting is bad
>everything that isn't 160% serious is muh /tv/
I didn't know sudofag showed up here.