/u/ - Yuri★

How do we get Sam Hyde to shitpost here?

>>29266

Cannot fucking believe Russia was tricked into airing this, but I'm glad.

>>29266

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>29262

Better yet, how do we get MisterMetokur to shitpost here?

I'm sure Jim would love to make a video on the collective nuttiness of the yuri fandom if only he'd realized the sheer scale of this untapped lulz goldmine.

>>29266

>Aw come on, that has to be and edit.

<Samjiel Haid

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>29252 (OP)

I'm finally watching Symphogear and it's alright so far. i just wish the singing was more musical-like. More duets, more duels, that sort of thing.

>>29271

Could try tweeting at him, handle is @WeWuzMetokur. Maybe he'll drop by.

Setting aside whether or not it's good, is Life is Strange technically yuri? It's 2D, has canon lesbian relationships, and is published by a Japanese company.

>>29283

It has things a lot of people here would prefer not to be in yuri, such as memes, Ashely Burch's voice and drama for the sake of drama.

Though I will admit after watching a stream of it, the military father coming out to save the day near the end was pretty nice.

>>29271

I would love to turn Jim into a yurifag. I would love to turn everyone I can think of into a yurifag.

>>29287

>yuri

>no memes

>>29262

>>29266

>>29271

>males posting on /u/

I'd rather have the entire tumblr and reddit community posting here than one man.

>>29293

I agree.

>>29293

Certainly would boost our post count :^)

>>29293

/u/ has always had both sexes posting on it.

I'd like more female discussion though. People used to be happy just posting on 4/u/ and discussing yuri/posting content.

>>29298

Just no reddit or tumblr. Women on 4/u/ didn't used to go around hating men reeing all the time. And men didn't hate women either.

Just got on to disc 3 of Koudelka.

A friend of mine criticized me for escaping from battles and told me to tough out every encounter I get…But now I think I over leveled Koudelka. She's so tough now that I was easily able to defeat a forced solo boss with her in only 5 turns.

Also apparently the real Battlefront 2 just got officially supported online again.

>>29301

>Note that the yuri goes nowhere because it's practically joke yuri

I really don't know how to feel about this sentence, how "joke" is it?

>>29302

Yeah that sentence really got my noggin joggin.

Was gonna say the reason people like Shizuru and Sei was cause the yuri actually went somewhere and both were actually clearly gay. Even if Sei they didn't get the girl in the end both were yuri characters. Although Shizuru did win later.

>>29293

You need to fuck off. Your kind isn't welcome anywhere.

>>29299

It's beyond pathetic and just indicates something that needs to be put down.

>>29299

>Women on 4/u/ didn't used to go around hating men reeing all the time.

They still don't. Now /u/ is more accepting of yaoi as long as it doesn't ruin the yuri romance. If anything, I wish they hated men more.

>>29307

>still don't

Complete bullshit, there's retarded subhuman fucking heterophobes everywhere and not being able to say shit about it was the catalyst for leaving cuckchan and never looking back.

>>29308

>heterophobes

How?

Too much politics in this general. Been a shit thread since OP.

>Politics, including gender issues and LGBT rights are not relevant to this board.Yuri is a genre of fiction. Take political discussion to >>>/pol/, >>>/leftypol/ or >>>/lgbt/. Current events can also be discussed on /news+/ or /news++/

This whole thread is a violation of the rules.

>>29286

That's kinda the theme of the series, isn't it? Or is that less the case in later seasons?

>>29308

>waaaaaah this board about gay romance needs to always acknowledge and celebrate straight love and secretly accept straight love as best or they are evil ess jay dubble yous and HETEROPHOBIC SHITLORDS

>>29316

>pathetically trying to force all that shit into my mouth as obnoxious and unintelligently as possible

Kill yourself.

>>29317

What is your idea of "heteophobia" (how unironic that anti-SJWs like you use terms derived from the language of SJWs)? Not being able to remind people every thread that homosexual acts are sinful and gays are going to hell and we need to breed to increase the white birth rate? Are you really so upset by the fact that people don't like straight romance on a YURI board? Is it a "phobia" to not like something and make fun of it?

>>29320

It's obnoxiously edgily calling all straight relationships and characters shit and screeching when called out for it, you fucking retard.

>>29276

Alright, the S2 final gave me one of each but I still wish it was a bigger theme in the series.

>>29322

Why would you feel the need to "call out" anyone for disparaging a straight relationship on what is, again, a YURI BOARD? That's true obnoxious (and insecure) behaviour. You make it sound like yuri is just play-acting for you and that people are only allowed to enjoy it as long as they acknowledge that straight relationships are good (or at least not bad) when they appear, because true romance is between men and women.

>>29323

And damn, is the series ever /u/ related. Especially Hibiki and Miku, the OVA of S2 pretty much confirmed this.

>>29325

>Why would you feel the need to "call out" anyone for disparaging a straight relationship on what is, again, a YURI BOARD?

Why would you need to disparage a straight relationship in first place?

Liking yuri never equalled disliking heterosexual relationships, that's purely a meme form the tumblr landwhales and redditors surrounding us on 4chan and dysnasty.

You can always leave if you don't like it.

>>29347

>Feminism = Yuri

This is it. Two nukes weren't enough. Yuri ain't free. Tokyo is going to be LITTERED with the blood of the JAP menace.

>>29347

I mean it's technically right. Nazism and hating niggers and Jews doesn't go against feminism.

>>29361

I just found it funny how they had no idea what feminism is.

But why stop there, we can own the word, let's "reclaim feminism."

Obviously 8/u/ is the only advocate of 2D women's rights, trannies have infiltrated other places like 4/u/ and dynasty, turning them into crypto patriarchies. Stop the oppression of real females, trannies out!

>>29361

Well of course anything anime is incompatible with tumblrtards (except hibikek). Normal LGBT people like yuri and yaoi and don't complain about fetishization and cultural appropriation.

>>29381

>Normal

>LGBT people

Pick one

>>29382

They're not normal in the sense that they're not heterosexual but they can still be normal in the sense of not acting like a buttblasted whiny freak.

>>29308

>there's retarded subhuman fucking heterophobes everywhere and not being able to say shit about it

Wew, is this really your main reason for not liking 4/u/? I thought we left because the mods started allowing 3D and Western content.

>>29385

True. Trannies aren't even people.

>>29386

I left because the jannies and mods are overly sensitive retards that ban you for disagreeing with people.

>>29386

>Western content

That's the reason for me, those /co/ pairings from random tumblr cartoons. I didn't even know that it got worse. Why would you ever allow 3D?

>>29386

The mod also makes rules up as he goes as an excuse to ban you for being intolerable to him.

>>29325

Yuri isn't about pathetic transparent edgy spite towards all men and even heterosexuality in general, the fucking reason we even exist and make everything we enjoy in the first place, most of all yuri.

If there's a retard that threatens my interests, I have to crush it. Bullshit is bullshit no matter how small and unintelligence like that is a 100% tumblr mentally ill cancer that's just a pathetic insult to yuri and people who don't need to look like edgy retards just to enjoy the romantic and sexual appeal of lesbianism.

>>29386

I said that was the last straw because it directly tied in with >>29387 and >>29393

Everything else you can think of are my reasons as well.

>>29400

>pathetic

>fucking

>retard

>I have to crush it

>edgy

>bullshit

>unintelligence

>tumblr mentally ill cancer

I think I see why 4/u/ didn't want you around.

As funny as that OP was, it's still a hateful image and not what this board is about. Some edgelords felt encouraged by it and here we are.

That quote about ironically acting like retards and attracting real retards comes to mind.

>>29401

Literally every thing I shat on those retards for is valid and justified. There's nothing to defend and it makes you look like the same shit.

>>29403

This. I don't mind the Nazi jokes whatsoever, but pushing it too hard just to spite or trigger tumblr and dynastyshit eventually starts getting fucking obnoxious.

>>29405

Insecure pseudointellectual retards trying to shit up wonderful things like yuri just for being asshurt about men because of being ugly and unlikable isn't "politics" just like screeching about human sexuality and beauty isn't either. It's shit you see through immediately and give no respect or civility it doesn't deserve.

>>29405

>>29406

And I'd love to just back to that, but this suspicious cunt won't shut up about insulting nothing more than worthless tumblrshit cancer that will never be tolerated.

>>29388

I never didn't shit on westernshit. It was fucking 100% not yuri yet internet retards would spew "weeb" regardless and screech when you said it didn't belong and look where that got the burning manure pile.

Getting really fucking tired with this posting problem.

>>29406

>This. I don't mind the Nazi jokes whatsoever, but pushing it too hard just to spite or trigger tumblr and dynastyshit eventually starts getting fucking obnoxious.

>>29403

>As funny as that OP was, it's still a hateful image and not what this board is about. Some edgelords felt encouraged by it and here we are.

>That quote about ironically acting like retards and attracting real retards comes to mind.

These both have been my primary issues with the political shitposting from day one. All it does is attract the wrong people who don't wanna talk about yuri and start fights. It ruins the comfy feel of the board. That and some of the shitposting isn't funny at all and does border on obnoxious.

I think the biggest problem with political posting these days on the chans is how angry it is on all sides.

>>29420

>There needs to be an official /u/ games chart.

If you want to make a list for steam, I guess you could just list every game that "Hella Yuri" ever curated and just throw most western and pandering-tier games off the list.

>>29436

Kase-san OVA huh? That's the one with the blonde student and the athletic girl, if I remember. Nice though, glad it's getting something.

Test

>>29400

>Yuri isn't about pathetic transparent edgy spite towards all men and even heterosexuality in general

Just heterosexual anime and manga, or even worse, yuribait with het ending.

>>29439

The only thing shit is yuribait or the worst fake "harems".

>>29441

I see, so you've finally taken an english course mugino.

>>29440

Every attractive girl that isn't in a yuri relationship is a waste tbh.

>>29443

Here's your reply.

>>29444

I just want to get what's on the fucking box.

>>29447

This is not a massage.

>>29448

As long it relief the pain and feels good, It is a massage.

>>29444

So which one is it? Part of fiction meant to be fun, or part of real life of how emotions evolve? You're contradicting yourself there. Tarkovsky once said that art may embrace the contradictions of life, but it's tragic if the artist doesn't portray it as a tragedy, and if the tragedy isn't concluded with a sparks of hope, such art carries it's own tragedy within it. The artist doesn't live in a vacuum, but it doesn't mean that the artist is allowed to have no yearning for beauty. For example, in the 1968 film Nazarin, it is fine and even true to life to depict Father Nazario as a once extremely devout man who then lost his faith due to his strides in this cruel world, but if the film didn't end with Nazario finding hope and rethinking his stance of his own belief, then the film would be pathetic. In short, if teases of yuri doesn't end with real yuri, the author butchers their own creation by making the events devoid of truth. It's reduced into meaningless, random crap with zero integrity, it's not beautiful.

And no, leave politics out of this. As the blogger said, some people just love seeing 2 girls get together and loving each other. And even if the person happens to be lesbian, it doesn't always mean that she wants it to be a propaganda for her identity politics. Hell, Tolstoy said in his diary in 1885; "The political is not compatible with the artistic, because the former, in order to prove, has to be one-sided." The truth of art is absolute, it can't be simplified into something as simpleton as politics. Humans are so stupid that they reduce everything into statistics and tribalism, ignoring the notion of "self", degrading the inward nature of man into outward. Loving yuri and not liking hetshit doesn't make me a lqbtqyz advocate from tumblr, it makes me my own self.

>>29452

/pol/yps BTFO

>>29452

>So which one is it? Part of fiction meant to be fun, or part of real life of how emotions evolve? You're contradicting yourself there. Tarkovsky once said that art may embrace the contradictions of life, but it's tragic if the artist doesn't portray it as a tragedy, and if the tragedy isn't concluded with a sparks of hope, such art carries it's own tragedy within it. The artist doesn't live in a vacuum, but it doesn't mean that the artist is allowed to have no yearning for beauty. For example, in the 1968 film Nazarin, it is fine and even true to life to depict Father Nazario as a once extremely devout man who then lost his faith due to his strides in this cruel world, but if the film didn't end with Nazario finding hope and rethinking his stance of his own belief, then the film would be pathetic. In short, if teases of yuri doesn't end with real yuri, the author butchers their own creation by making the events devoid of truth. It's reduced into meaningless, random crap with zero integrity, it's not beautiful.

I agree with this. The way a lot of yuri anime these days only tease but never end in a satisfying yuri romance just leaves people unsatisfied.

>>29452

>So which one is it? Part of fiction meant to be fun, or part of real life of how emotions evolve? You're contradicting yourself there. Tarkovsky once said that art may embrace the contradictions of life, but it's tragic if the artist doesn't portray it as a tragedy, and if the tragedy isn't concluded with a sparks of hope, such art carries it's own tragedy within it. The artist doesn't live in a vacuum, but it doesn't mean that the artist is allowed to have no yearning for beauty. For example, in the 1968 film Nazarin, it is fine and even true to life to depict Father Nazario as a once extremely devout man who then lost his faith due to his strides in this cruel world, but if the film didn't end with Nazario finding hope and rethinking his stance of his own belief, then the film would be pathetic.

Not every work needs to shoe-in an ending to contradict the rest of the theme. All Quiet on the Western Front (the book version) did not have a message of hope towards the end. Does that make it any less of a literary work?

>In short, if teases of yuri doesn't end with real yuri, the author butchers their own creation by making the events devoid of truth. It's reduced into meaningless, random crap with zero integrity, it's not beautiful.

A work can redeem itself through other aspects, such as story or character development. It does not have to go full yuri at the end to be good just because it had some yuri teasing here and there. If anything, it's rather trifling and pathetic to judge a work solely by whether it delivered what it pandered to you at the end.

>The truth of art is absolute, it can't be simplified into something as simpleton as politics. Humans are so stupid that they reduce everything into statistics and tribalism, ignoring the notion of "self", degrading the inward nature of man into outward. Loving yuri and not liking hetshit doesn't make me a lqbtqyz advocate from tumblr, it makes me my own self.

The sense of "self" is in itself a product of Western worldview. Other high cultures (Hindu-Buddhist in particular) would find what you've described as incomprehensible, let alone a one-size-fits-all truth. Stop limiting yourself to nihilistic egoism and try embracing the possibility of forces infinitely greater than the self.

>>29453

Where the hell did this come from? Are you just pretending to retarded or something?

>>29459

>If anything, it's rather trifling and pathetic to judge a work solely by whether it delivered what it pandered to you at the end.

Not if the context is a community dedicated specifically to that content. It makes perfect sense that a yuri board would judge a work entirely based on whether it delivers yuri. This isn't /u/ - art appreciation, this is /u/ - yuri.

I guess I can kinda see both sides of the story.

>>29444

If it is clear through implications and symbolism, then stating it outright would actually ruin the feeling in some cases. It's kinda like getting a joke explained after you understood it.

>>29461

>You are viewing yuri from a western perspective and missing a crucial part of Japanese culture. What is said is just as important as what is not said. Why does the obvious have to be explicitly stated?

At the same time, I can't really agree with this. If a series has some sort of couple, then them being together will be stated outright in the series. It doesn't matter if it is a romance, a harem comedy, a shonen action series or whatever else. If a boy and a girl become a couple, the series will tell you and they'll stay a couple from that point onward. You hardly ever see that with a yuri couple, unless "yuri romance" is the actual genre.

>>29459

>Not every work needs to shoe-in an ending to contradict the rest of the theme.

What contradiction?

>All Quiet on the Western Front (the book version) did not have a message of hope towards the end.

Neither did Dr Faustus: The Life of Adrian Leverkuhn, Tarkovsky's favorite book. I probably did word my argument a bit badly there. I didn't mean to say that a work must have a good ending, but it has to express the hope of the author, showing that the author has a yearning for an ideal. That's why I said that even a tragedy must contain hope, not necessarily hope as a plot, but hope as an expression, and even hope as a plot doesn't necessarily classify as a good ending but rather a thoughtful ending. Everything in a work must exist to explore and express that ideal, or else it's existence would be nothing but a meaningless whiff. Such is yuribait, homoeroticism without faith that goes nowhere. It's nothing more than a soulless tool to bait more cash, that's why people hate it.

>A work can redeem itself through other aspects, such as story or character development.

A character that was gay and suddenly isn't is not a good character development.

>The sense of "self" is in itself a product of Western worldview.

No. I mean, people like Jesus existed when the western world was still indulged in tribalism, and it still very much is now. If anything, the west did pervert the idea of self into the concept of individualism and egoism, like what philosophers like Nietzsche and Ayn Rand did.

>Other high cultures (Hindu-Buddhist in particular) would find what you've described as incomprehensible, let alone a one-size-fits-all truth.

No way, have you read the Siddhartha novel? He was in a journey to find his true self. Lao Tzu said, "Knowing others is wisdom; Knowing the self is enlightenment." This concept existed in every culture.

>try embracing the possibility of forces infinitely greater than the self

And it certainly isn't politics, or in other word modern age tribalism, which is a jumbling of multiple selfs into a puddle of unrecognizable mess.

>>29461

>Yuri is not just sexual attraction between girls, it also very much about platonic love.

It's not *love* when there's no commitment for each other. Putting a bi character in a harem with male MC isn't yuri.

>This has been true ever since Class S stories began to appear in the Taisho era.

Yuri has distanced itself a lot from Class S. Class S is just a crush while yuri is actual love and dependence for someone or each other.

>>29463

>If it is clear through implications and symbolism, then stating it outright would actually ruin the feeling in some cases.

Explicit or not, people expect an expression of commitment.

>>29452

>So which one is it? Part of fiction meant to be fun, or part of real life of how emotions evolve? You're contradicting yourself there.

It was a reference to how the emotions of characters can evolve in a story, obviously. That doesn't mean it has no resemblance to real life, but it is still fiction, which is what the entire post was about.

>In short, if teases of yuri doesn't end with real yuri, the author butchers their own creation by making the events devoid of truth. It's reduced into meaningless, random crap with zero integrity, it's not beautiful.

How can yuri "end with real yuri"? It's a theme, it's there or it isn't.

If you yourself see what emotions are expressed and can relate to them, why do you have requirements for what the characters should do? This is all in your head. Love doesn't always lead anywhere.

If we're talking about artistic freedom, let the artist decide what the purpose is. Do all stories in your view have to end with marriage, or they are meaningless? Do lovers have to confess their love to each other? Do they have to go to bed together? How far does it have to go for you to consider it "meaningful"?

What kind of fucking narrow view is this? Maybe you should just go watch hentai so you don't feel cheated.

All of this comes down to the idea of wanting to reconnect art with the world and have some sort of impact in society - to cause a reaction. This is what modern art does, it creates sensationalism and has no lasting value because it's then just part of the news cycle. Art should be higher than that.

>And no, leave politics out of this. As the blogger said, some people just love seeing 2 girls get together and loving each other. And even if the person happens to be lesbian, it doesn't always mean that she wants it to be a propaganda for her identity politics.

How do you make this work with what you stated above? You can't say there has to be a certain kind of ending for the work to have meaning and then say that this isn't a political view. It is, particularly since you seem to have a weird definition of what yuri is and can't accept art for what it is. You want something groundbreaking and unconventional, and this itself is a leftie definition of what the purpose of art is.

Art depicts and comments on life, it lets you see things from a new perspective. If you want to restrict its role to your own narrow definition of what art should be, you are political.

>>29465

>That doesn't mean it has no resemblance to real life, but it is still fiction, which is what the entire post was about.

And my point is fiction exists as an expression of the author's ideal. If something that happens there has no relevance to the author's ideal, then it just exists without meaning and purpose of course. This lack of meaning is what makes a lot of artworks cancer. I mean, what differs Kim Jung Gi from Da Vinci? KJG can't think of anything as meaningful and impactful as Adoration of the Magi.

>If you yourself see what emotions are expressed and can relate to them, why do you have requirements for what the characters should do?

>Love doesn't always lead anywhere.

I don't, but a character can't just do things and forget about it. True to life? Maybe, some things in life are irrelevant incidents. But in art it's a lack of integrity as art ideally only depicts the relevant. I'm not saying that anime is art, but it would be less trash if filler contents didn't exist, even moreso for yuribait.

>How far does it have to go for you to consider it "meaningful"?

Love isn't meaningful without an expression of commitment.

>All of this comes down to the idea of wanting to reconnect art with the world and have some sort of impact in society - to cause a reaction. This is what modern art does, it creates sensationalism and has no lasting value because it's then just part of the news cycle. Art should be higher than that.

No, modern art just fails because it doesn't ennoble man from the search of their existence's meaning. Modern art just wants to affirm a shallow and vain value of an individual. How did you even come to this anyway. If anything, anime is a lot more akin to modern art.

>You can't say there has to be a certain kind of ending for the work to have meaning and then say that this isn't a political view.

It's just the meaning of art itself, an expression of what is the most meaningful and priceless for the author, not what is meaningless and cheap. There's nothing politics. I'm only speaking against yuribait, not hetshit. Yuribait has no reason to exist, it's only there to gain more viewers or for the author's masturbatory pastime.

>Art depicts and comments on life, it lets you see things from a new perspective.

That's modern art. Real art is a serving of the highest ideal.

>>29464

>No. I mean, people like Jesus existed when the western world was still indulged in tribalism, and it still very much is now.

There was no "Western world" at Jesus' time. If you're talking about the Classical World, then tribalism was largely dead by that point. Most of the population swore allegiance primarily to the Roman state, even the Caesar himself.

>No way, have you read the Siddhartha novel? He was in a journey to find his true self.

Have you read actual Buddhist canon? It's clearly spelled out that the goal of both Buddhism and Hinduism is the dissolution of the self. Nirvana literally means "to be extinguished". Basing your idea of Buddhism on a 20th century Western novel is like learning about the historical prophet Zarathustra from that Nietzsche novel.

>Lao Tzu said, "Knowing others is wisdom; Knowing the self is enlightenment."

Lao Tzu did not come close to the nihilistic individualism that characterizes the modern West.

>This concept existed in every culture.

It didn't. Your Faustian worldview is showing.

>And it certainly isn't politics, or in other word modern age tribalism, which is a jumbling of multiple selfs into a puddle of unrecognizable mess.

Modernity is not tribal by any means. If anything, it signals the destruction of all preexisting identities and tradition in the name of equality and unending progress. And judging by your mentality, you're just a pawn in this grand scheme.

Is Queen's Blade /u/?

>>29473

I'd say the first series maybe, not sure on the others.

http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=6653

If it was hypothetically possible for a male to surgically alter his body to become indistinguishable from a female's, even down to the cellular level, and he banged a chick, would that be yuri?

>>29527

If it was hypothetically possible for a bait to surgically alter its words to become indistinguishable form a normal post, even down to the understand of the collective level, and it banged a chick, would that be yuri?

>>29526

No. Only genderbender magic.

>>29538

>discuss non-/u/ habbenings, shitpost, etc. Anything that doesn't have its own thread belongs here.

>>29543

Just some decorum man, this is still a place to discuss mainly yuri and it's worked well for past generals.

>>29466

>And my point is fiction exists as an expression of the author's ideal.

You keep talking about ideals but you're not explaining where you're getting this from. There is no way for anyone but you to follow your line of thought because you left it out. Your posts don't stand on their own, it sounds like you're talking from a point of view which is obvious to you but non-existent in this context, but you don't seem to realize that other people don't think like you.

TL:DR

You didn't make a point, it's a baseless opinion.

>a character can't just do things and forget about it.

Sure they can. A lot of yuri themed anime has episodic scenes ending in a joke, it isn't followed up in the next scene and what took place has no bearing on the plot. It's not just "filler" - it explains the personality of the characters and how they interact, creating a deeper understanding in the viewer. It doesn't have to advance the plot toward a preconceived goal to be meaningful.

>Love isn't meaningful without an expression of commitment.

This is just plain wrong. People may experience love in many different ways, and unexpressed love is love just the same. This is what anime and manga is very good at catching, unlike western movies and comics where there is no understanding of the finer elements of human relations.

The western way of showing love "expressions" is often butchered down to a confession and a kiss in one scene and the characters jumping into bed in the next scene. It's horribly crude but sure it's an expression if that's what you want. You don't seem to appreciate the japanese style at all, in everything you've posted so far you're applying a western view, showing no respect for the medium's qualities at all.

>Yuribait has no reason to exist

It doesn't exist. You just have those notions and expectations of what you think yuri has to be and when it didn't turn out that way you think you got "baited." A theme can be a minor part of a story, it doesn't have to dominate just because it was added in the keywords.

>Real art is a serving of the highest ideal.

No it isn't. Art generally comes down to realism in some form. If you don't depict what exists, you're a modernist, an impressionist or expressionist smearing paint on a cloth and achieving nothing but shock value.

Serving ideals on the other is the role of political art, also known as propaganda. It looks realistic but isn't, it's a way of fooling the viewer. Because ideals are not real, they're goals. As they don't depict anything real and are limited by the end goal, they're not really art, but simply marketing, also called "persuasion design", a vile serpent posing as art but with the motive of planting certain ideas in the viewer.

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>>29467

>tribalism was largely dead by that point

>Most of the population swore allegiance primarily to the Roman state

The concept of nation itself is created by replacing the kinship and familial bloodline bonds of a tribe with ideology. And even then, there are a lot of /pol/acks who want a white nation, which is by itself a form of tribalism.

>Have you read actual Buddhist canon? It's clearly spelled out that the goal of both Buddhism and Hinduism is the dissolution of the self. Nirvana literally means "to be extinguished".

There are a million of buddhist schools, and it's hard to find which one is the truest. I don't deny that the Siddhartha novel in it's essence is more of a christian existentialism story written by a christian author ornamented with Indian spirituality than a pure buddhist novel, but the concept of Anatta itself in the beginning of Buddhism doesn't explicitly imply the complete nonexistence of self, but rather a discovery of the selfless self by self denial. It does not very much differ from Hesse's Siddhartha. The concept of Anatta is not and has never been a straightforward answer to the existence of the self, but it recognizes the self regardless.

>Lao Tzu did not come close to the nihilistic individualism that characterizes the modern West.

Who cares about the modern western view of individualism? None of my argument pertains to that. It is the infuse of ego that turned the notion of self into individualism in modernism.

>It didn't.

It did. Even an ape recognizes itself in the mirror.

>Modernity is not tribal by any means. If anything, it signals the destruction of all preexisting identities and tradition in the name of equality and unending progress.

Tribalism simplified the notion of self into bloodlines. Nationalism simplified the notion of self into a "shared" ideology. Equality is just another way of saying "if you don't share our ideology, you're not one of us." Replace ideology with bloodline and tradition, and you get what we call tribalism. It is the Us vs Them mentality that survives through the ages.

>>29548

>You keep talking about ideals but you're not explaining where you're getting this from.

Let's use a bit of your brain here. Why would a devout christian author make something that concludes with "so the Devil is a good guy after all", or why would a hardline atheist author make something that concludes with "so God exists after all"? If the author makes something they don't like, it either means that the author has a brain damage or does it at gunpoint.

>it explains the personality of the characters and how they interact

So it's okay to establish a character as having a homo affection, and then pretend like it's nothing? It's not an explanation or development.

>A lot of yuri themed anime has episodic scenes ending in a joke

<smash someone's head with baseball stick

<its just a joke bro, im not looking for a fight alright

>unexpressed love is love just the same

Unexpressed love is a tragedy. There are many yuri works ending with a tragedy, and they aren't yuribait because the approach is more than just meaningless crap to attract viewers.

>It's horribly crude but sure it's an expression if that's what you want.

I don't limit the method of expression. I just want an expression of a commitment, one way or another. Love is a commitment in every culture, every race. I notice that you didn't address my fixation on the word commitment.

>A theme can be a minor part of a story

Minor doesn't mean meaningless.

>Art generally comes down to realism in some form. If you don't depict what exists, you're a modernist, an impressionist or expressionist smearing paint on a cloth and achieving nothing but shock value.

Art ideally can't depict something that doesn't exist, because it is an adaptation of reality as something that the artist experiences with their own self and digest with their own thought, not reality as in photographic evidence and transcript.

>Serving ideals on the other

No, art serves a MUCH higher ideal than that. Higher than political demands, higher than market demands, higher than your ego.

>>29557

>no rings

>no outfit change

WHY

Fact.

Yuri with edges in the image can never end well.

>>29570

>Yes but the sect of Buddism that is revelent to Japan in Zen Buddism.

It's unfortunate how the intellectual establishment of ancient Japan was lacking in spirituality compared to China. Despite that, the sense of self of the Japanese did survive through their art. Their literature and paintings were very true to the self and free of outward pressure. Things such as impressionist background paintings and the haiku poem pertains very much to an individual spirituality and their connection with the world, very akin to Indian spirituality. While the culture, tradition, and establishment of Japan promoted the concept of selflessness as a complete denial of the existence of the self as a nationalistic propaganda, the artists of Japan realized that the spiritual essence of selflessness doesn't mean that the self doesn't exist, but rather must exist to become a servant for others who also yearn for the raison d'etre.

>While there is intense focus on introspection, this is done to find one's place within society.

>Improvement of the self is done for the greater good of society.

Sure, that's the Confucius influence of Japan's traditions. Confucianism is lacking in spirituality, and while the Shinto made up for it, it's equally superficial, only replacing the materialism with meta-materialism. But as I said, Japanese artist learned about the notion of self through many other means, that are often indescribable for them. How could Kurosawa create Ikiru without having faith in an ideal that transcends shintoism and confucianism?

>negroid children do not pass the MSR until the age of five

And after the age of five?

>Love is universal but it's expression is not.

I've said this twice, I've got no problem with ways of expressions.

>Then is yuri really art? Yuri is a commercial product.

I don't think it necessarily is, but art is the most ideal form of all creative mediums. Artistic integrity is the role model for those who work in this field.

How many of you main Lili in Tekken?

Apparently all yurifags will naturally main her.

Like me.

>>29420

Neps are pretty fucking gay and if you want get the retranslation over on /nep/

>>29580

I used to main Yoshimitsu and Hwoarang but I haven't Tekken'd in at least 6 years and back then I wasn't a yurifag. Also my last Tekken was 4 so there was no Lili, but there was Ling which was probably my favorite female.

This is probably an autistic answer to what might just be a play on words by you.

>>29584

Was it ever any good? I could never get into it because of the animation and the characters. The only thing I enjoyed about it was some of the fanart.

>>29585

the only good thing about rwby is the fan creations though the first few volumes are worth a watch just not the new shit

>>29580

I use to main Asuka actually.

>>29583

>>29580

>tfw too old

I used to main Michelle but I haven't played any Tekken since 3 and they kinda ruined her combos in that version.

>>29585

Both the fanart and fanfic it generates are top-tier. The show itself is hopeless. I haven't bothered watching since season 2, but I hear it's only gotten worse and Weiss and Blake have been given male love interests.

Listen up nerds!

I feel in a giving mood this week, and because I love this board I'd like to try give something back to you all.

So I'd like to know how many of you all would be interested in having a contest? The winner will receive a /u/ related game on steam of their choice.

>>29635

Can you tell us what kind of contest it is first?

>>29637

I haven't actually decided on that yet.

One thing I had in mind was to play an obscure game I found, and do a specific thing using a player skin that almost no one uses. Another was to simply guess who my waifu is.

I was hoping people here could give me some other ideas, preferably something that everyone here can be a part of.

>>29638

How about a content creation contest? Like if you produce some art, writing, game, or something and the rest of the board likes it you buy them a free game on steam.

/m/ used to do something like this.

>>29639

I like this idea. OC is the life force of a board.

However how will we determine which one is the best? Via voting here? We can't use poll sites because I'm sure almost everyone here is smart enough to proxy vote.

>>29641

Yeah no poll sites. Posts here are best determination but that can be rigged easily with Tor. Although if you are giving out the prize you could just pick the one you think is best by your own objective standards (accuracy if fan art/fanfiction, overall quality and work put into project - etc).

>>29662

Anyone's art would change if they started using different tools for coloring and painting pages. That IS what happened in those images, right?

>>29328

Just no cancer.

>>29661

Hm, well since mods can see posters post history then how about we make it so that that each vote per a UID must have a certain amount of posts for the vote to count?

Or would that be discriminating against new arrivals? Maybe it should be something low like just 5.

>>29630

>Maybe we should stick to the topic of yuri here and not bring in religion.

It's just analogy.

>Still you're just rambling on about something while not letting us know what you're really thinking or how you reached there.

I've explained everything.

>works fine

No way.

>Happens all the time.

DOesn't mean that it's not shallow.

>It's an emotion. It's completely unrelated to commitment, you can choose to commit because of love, but it works with any emotion, it's not reserved for love.

That's just affection. There can't be love without attachment, dependence, commitment, and sacrifice.

>You're fixated on the action rather than the feeling

Not really.

>typical of western works

Teach me the ways of the genetically superior Nihon race, o enlightened one.

>Only if the artist makes it so, but imo that's not real art, that's spreading an ideological message or giving in to market demand.

You're wrong and I've explained why.

>your ideal is an explicit erotic expression

For your mom's sake, no.

>Though I get from your posts what you really want is for other people to widely accept your "ideal",

No, it's the artist's ideal that I want. I have been saying since the beginning that everything in the artist's creation must pertain to the artist's ideal, and therefore fully realized and developed. If it isn't fully realized and developed, then it doesn't pertain to the artist's ideal and therefore only there to bait the people who actually bear that ideal.

>>29673

>>29630

You two can stop anytime, just saying.

>>29674

I broke my leg and am in the hospital. There's nothing better to do.

>>29676

You could always learn to make anpng's

>>29683

Same. One of the things that anger me the most about the yuri fandom is that bislutshit gets approved by most. Just no, it's absolutely disgusting.

>>29687

Seitokai no Ichizon, Sekirei and Highschool DxD have the kinds of likable if flawed men who are capable of loving multiple women like the most graceful and compassionate oneesama.

But that will factually never be fucking yuri.

>>29673

>That's just affection. There can't be love without attachment, dependence, commitment, and sacrifice.

Love can be one-sided. But to point that out - unfulfilled love is a sacrifice in itself.

>No, it's the artist's ideal that I want. I have been saying since the beginning that everything in the artist's creation must pertain to the artist's ideal, and therefore fully realized and developed. If it isn't fully realized and developed, then it doesn't pertain to the artist's ideal and therefore only there to bait the people who actually bear that ideal.

As an artist who doesn't go by ideals there is no way for me to agree. What I draw/paint/write is based on something I want to articulate, something interesting or funny. Japanese artists apply the same thing and that's what I like about them.

Being an idealist isn't contrasted with baiting idealists, that's just dumb. The real opposites are idealism - realism. If you feel baited by realism that's you baiting yourself. But that's the core of the matter isn't it? People so stubborn they're getting triggered when reality doesn't conform to their ideas.

>>29688

I have never heard anyone say that Highschool DxD was yuri

>>29688

Who the fuck thinks any of those are yuri?

>>29694

I would guess its a allegory for something else, though I can't figure out what it is in first place.

>>29696

I hear in europe they call it "menage with girls".

>>29688

>men who are capable of loving multiple women like the most graceful and compassionate oneesama.

Delete your post.

>Seitokai no Ichizon, Sekirei and Highschool DxD have the kinds of likable if flawed men who are capable of loving multiple women like the most graceful and compassionate oneesama.

>have the kinds of likable if flawed men who are capable of loving multiple women like the most graceful and compassionate oneesama.

>have the kinds of likable if flawed men

>likable

>LIKEABLE

What the hell. When did generic self insert harem male become a likable character? Typically they are the worst character in every one of these shows.

>>29692

>>29694

>>29695

No, I'm pointing out anything to do with a man automatically isn't yuri and anyone who tries to call any shit involving any of the girls involved yuri is retarded and false.

>>29698

No. You just bitch.

>>29701

Not obnoxiously moralfagging over non cucking doesn't make anyone a fanboy.

>>29701

>>29703

Or some insecure self inserting retard. No one here is a "haremfag".

>>29702

>anything involving a man isn't yuri

No, anything involving a man as a romantic interest for the girl's isn't yuri but just having a man in the setting doesn't mean the work isn't yuri.

>>29683

Come with me if you want to live, fam.

>>29689

>unfulfilled love is a sacrifice in itself

Maybe, but there's always an attempt to fulfill it, or else it would be something that keeps haunting the character, if it's really love.

>As an artist who doesn't go by ideals

An artist who doesn't go by ideals? I'd equate you with google deepdream generator, or even a grainy copier machine that creates "impressionism art" on it's own.

>What I draw/paint/write is based on something I want to articulate, something interesting or funny.

That's exactly what's wrong with modern art. It exists for the sake of existing, it communicates for the sake of communicating, it expresses for the sake of self expression. Of course an artist is entitled to self expression, but they also have a responsibility to become a servant to the communal ideal. The artist must realize that they aren't someone who lives inside a vacuum and hears nothing but the voice of their own echo. Doing this is worthless, an artist must realize the spiritual bond between them and their world, and from it discover a true ideal that belongs to everyone.

I mean, it's okay to communicate harmless comedies and other simple life hacks through your works (I won't consider you an artist for doing nothing beyond that though, sorry to say this), but when it touches something as fragile as the human nature, things such as romance, you works are bound to be met with controversies. There are many ways an artist would cope to this. We have the first artist who just keeps working in his echo chamber ignoring their "haters" with only "I like and agree with what I make" as their only justification, like Tom Preston. The second artist would avoid pointlessly igniting their consumers with superficial things and tell the consumers to look beyond their ego because essentially the artist is the same as they are, existing in the same plane of existence and looking for the same truth. Because it is always our ego that creates friction between us and the world.

An author who has striped away all of their ego wouldn't waste their time on creating something that they don't like and would pointlessly offend people, such as yuribait. They know that anything that has nothing to do with their true personality will come off as cheap and shallow. They would only create something that is meaningful and pertaining to the purest ideal, the true self.

>Japanese artists apply the same thing

But you shouldn't fall into the same hole. Also, not every japanese artist creates something that meaningless.

>Being an idealist isn't contrasted with baiting idealists, that's just dumb. The real opposites are idealism - realism. If you feel baited by realism that's you baiting yourself. But that's the core of the matter isn't it? People so stubborn they're getting triggered when reality doesn't conform to their ideas.

Here's the thing. The realist would say like a journalist that the world we're living in is shit. The idealist would say that the world is shit because people don't follow the same ideal as him. The artist would say that the world is indeed shit as it's supposed to be, but it's okay because hope will never cease to exist. The pacifism of the realist and delusion of the idealist don't affect the artist, the artist thinks above all of that, a perfectionist. What you're describing there isn't idealism-realism, just realism.

>>29705

No, I meant anything clearly intended to not be yuri.

There can be other characters who want nothing to do with a male MC, but the main cast everything centers around is my point.

>>29700

Uzume and Chiho were such a wonderful and unexpected thing to come out of Sekirei. And I'm glad to hear it ended exactly I expected and everyone can just fucking be happy.

Spoiler anything lewd from hetero, please. 2 anons are already behaving irrationally. Don't need any more retarded misconceptions about nonexistent cancer.

>>29701

Wondering if the general thread might be a bad idea now that we're faster. And without the constant yuri releases being posted in it it goes offtopic more.

>>29715

It isn't. There's absolutely nothing to worry about. This thread fulfills its purpose, yuri and shitposting, and no one here is a tumblr retard or any kind of disease.

>>29717

I think we just need to make it so it's more yuri than shitposting.

>>29720

>>29721

But we're also discussing it despite the arguing.

>>29721

>>29722

Just keep away the tumblrtard shit and we'll be fine.

Do you have any problem with harems so long as they stay contained in their own world and scenario if they're not you preference?

>>29723

>Do you have any problem with harems so long as they stay contained in their own world and scenario if they're not you preference?

Yes. Het harems don't belong on /u/ and should be taken to /a/ or some other board.

>>29724

I agree with this. Harems were really not something that should have ever been posted here at any time. Why I think I and some other users got so alarmed.

>>29709

>they also have a responsibility to become a servant to the communal ideal.

Just no. You just sound like a bootlicker by now.

>discover a true ideal that belongs to everyone

>The idealist would say that the world is shit because people don't follow the same ideal as him. The artist would say that the world is indeed shit as it's supposed to be, but it's okay because hope will never cease to exist. The pacifism of the realist and delusion of the idealist don't affect the artist, the artist thinks above all of that, a perfectionist.

If the world looks like shit to you, it's exactly because your ideals are incompatible with it. Holding those fixed ideas will lead to hypocritical moralism and an unability to solve real issues. "Ideals" cannot be realized unless they're based on reality, but if they were they'd be "goals" and not ideals.

TL:DR

Ideals present an impossible standard making anyone accepting them a failure.

>>29721

Maybe call it something else than General. /fringe/ has a long history of maintaining a Q&A thread which attracts maybe 50-60% of the activity and it works fine, and it's still not allowed to go off topic in there.

>>29724

>>29726

Literally all I did was point out it's fine for them to exist, but nothing to do with those particular girls can be labeled fucking yuri. They're not shit, but it's not what people want to see when they want girls doing lewd things together. This was entirely about the argument over yuribait. I had no intention to alarm anyone nor did I post any scene with non lesbians.

Also, someone bitched about 2D harems entirely. Didn't even seem to care whether it was a King or a Queen. So we do agree.

>>29733

No actually I didn't. Just grabbed it off gelbooru… And yeah it is pretty bad.

>>29710

I guess the only way we'll know for sure if the votes are not legit would be if the UID count magically jumps up by an unreasonable amount during voting.

Also what would be a good time to start this contest and how long should it go on?

>>29731

>Yuri discussion being placed in a specific thread

An on-topic only yuri discussion thread?

>>29736

I made a quick post.

What I meant by that was that it would be better to discuss Blue Horizon in a Blue Horizon thread than a general thread

>>29735

Probably make a thread outlining the rules and give people a timetable to work off of. Maybe a week max? Possibly setup an email to receive submissions in advance which you can post to the board the day the contest ends?

I went back checking the archives for old contests hosted by VF_kun on 4/m/ back in the day:

http://desuarchive.org/m/thread/7075887/#7075887

I remember there was another much bigger one hosted by him. Just can't remember what it was called exactly.

>>29731

If you think the general really should be discontinued for now, I can accept that.

But isn't arguing about what is and isn't yuri a good thing?

>>29732

I also need to point out harems have always been fine. I've never seen a single person on /u/ complain about Shoujo Sect ending threesome end.

Still bitter as fuck about Sakura Dungeon not letting you pair up party members or even enjoy their comments all game. It added so much impressive life and complexity to everything.

>>29741

>But isn't arguing about what is and isn't yuri a good thing?

Depends on how coherent you are.

>>29726

>>29730

>>29743

I was talking about harems in general, as in how many lovers one girl can have, not the fucking hetero subgenre.

Is that why some anons freaked out? Again, I brought it up solely to say "This doesn't make it shit automatically, but it falls under the category of bulk shit if you try to forcibly tag it like that. But 2D harems in general are fine and designed to be happy."

>>29742

Those 2 anons still going at it hours later are using a nearly artistic blend of profanity, slang and philosophy and fancy as fuck different theories and concepts. It's actually intimidating because I can't call either a retard or a faggot.

All because I said "Yuri isn't about asshurt spiteful retards hating men and heterosexuality and that's 100% the exact kind of tumblr shit that isn't welcome". Funny and flattering. And yes, that wasn't randomly off topic, it was my bitterness and hate for what happened to 4chan /u/ when it came up.

>Still bitter as fuck about Sakura Dungeon not letting you pair up party members or even enjoy their comments all game. It added so much impressive life and complexity to everything.

I wish there was more resolutions to some of the yuri plotlines. Needed more romance/scenes for the side characters yeah.

Is trans-exclusionary radical feminism yuri?

>>29749

Stop trying to derail every thread into politics.

>>29750

Politics is more interesting to talk about that yuri.

>>29752

Then why are you even here?

>>29752

Then go and talk about politics on /pol/.

>>29752

Then you don't belong here.

>>29753

>>29754

>>29755

>>29756

You have to go back.

4chan.org/u/

>>29727

>You just sound like a bootlicker by now.

Bootlickers are idealists. The artistic ideal has nothing to do with practical ideals but rather something that is more meta emotional, or even spiritual.

>If the world looks like shit to you, it's exactly because your ideals are incompatible with it.

>solve real issues

The world will always be full of imperfections, contradictions, and nothing that lasts forever. Nothing in this world can fix that. But when you go through a certain hardship, you may see another who faces the same hardship, they would greet you and tell you to keep yourself together, and the weight behind your back suddenly feels lighter for an indescribable reason. That's what art is capable of doing.

>Ideals present an impossible standard making anyone accepting them a failure.

Artistic ideals can never be unrealistic because they aren't practical ideals.

>>29759

>The reason 4/u/ went to shit is because it's filled with tumblr landwhales that want to discuss SJW bullshit more than yuri.

I'm really not seeing any SJW stuff on 4/u/. Any form of politics gets deleted. The only thing that makes it shit is troid's moderation that gives special protection to dynasty and autistic samefags, really. But for actual yuri discussion, I still find it to be alright. I don't hate the community or anything, it's just nice to have 2 yuri boards on the internet.

>>29809

That's not what SJW means. You mean bad western content.

>>29809

Even in your picture there's only five Western threads, and one of those is the /lit/ thread, which is pretty inoffensive.

>>29811

*5 non-Japanese threads, I mean, including gook comics.

>>29809

>>29814

Those are the /co/ containment threads. They're usually not even allowed to show up on the general thread.

>>29816

Kill it with fire.

>>29819

>I'm glad that you love 4/u/ with what it has turned into. But bear in mind that the raison d'être of 8/u/ to provide an alternative to what we see as the corruption and degeneration of 4/u/. So you're not familiar with the culture and mentality of this board and unwilling to respect or acclimatize to it, maybe 4/u/ is a better place for you.

Most of the new people don't seem to get this. We're trying to avoid the pitfalls of 4/u/ and create something different. If you want to talk about your hatred of men or being a trans woman or a lot of these non yuri anime shows then go to 4/u/.

>>29821

Addendum:

We're also trying to be more like the old 4/u/ at the same time and be a purely yuri centered board.

>>29819

>>29821

I think the only difference between 8u and 4u is 4u lumps all lesbian fiction together while 8u is strictly for anime and manga. That, and troid. Overall, things remain relatively the same. Trannyshit is still forbidden and heavily stigmatized, even gender bender stuff is hated on 4/u/. Yes, that includes tranny anons.

Also, I actually spend more time on 8ch's boards, I only go to 4chan for /u/ and /fit/, other boards are too fast.

>>29816

So you're even against shipping? You realize like half of the threads on this board are basically shipping? Should Izetta, Noir, and Little Witch Academia threads be banned according to you? And do you realize fanfiction has been part of /u/ almost since the beginning? You seem to have some seriously cancerous and radical opinions about yuri that no oldfag would have.

Glad this retard is only demonstrating why we need to take a zero tolerance policy against tumblr shit that ruined our old home.

>>29825

>And do you realize fanfiction has been part of /u/ almost since the beginning?

I think a lot of new people don't know this one. 4/u/ lacked content and due to the nature of yuri being more romance inclined - this lead to an appreciation for the higher quality fan-fiction out there that might thirst our quenches for actual yuri romance when the anime failed to end things in a decisive fashion.

>Should Izetta, Noir, and Little Witch Academia threads be banned according to you?

I think it's more the way certain stuff like Overwatch for instance is just basically shipping in that the characters have really generic boring personalities and don't interact more beyond "I respect you" (they all do this btw - it's really grating) or other stuff like SU and some of the /co/ shit that really litters up 4/u/ when it has no reason being there to begin with.

>>29842

Also I think everyone needs to calm down and take a break.

>>29816

Did we have our fucking general thread idea stolen? That was never there before and the reason it's a thing is to boost traffic with all kinds of yuri related shitposting and funny stupidity and arguing giving the best taste of the board.

People type in the address or click on the tab and when they do, they show it has people using it and making it grow since yuri is more niche.

>>29848

4/u/ had generals before 8/u/ even came into existence.

>>29849

This. They served a useful purpose - some shows might not seem Yuri at first then partway through go Yuri or at least have a strong Yuri pairing.

Can 2 girls also make sweet memes together?

Thread rebuild attempt.

>>29861

If that's Rinka, I might screech.

No one can have her onee-chan's boobs, power and heart.

>>29861

>>29874

Not even Mirei.

>>29866

>>29876

It was a joke about that Shit Art Online incest doujin if that's not an edit.

>>29877

Now I do want to see a lewd sistercest work shamelessly shitpost like that. Preferably Valkyrie Drive Bhikkhuni.

>>29879

I'm trying to imagine if it could actually be cute IRL shitposting during passionate loving incest or sistercest.

I'm on the final boss of Koudelka, wish me luck!

>>29990

>that SS tittymonster and the nun

Léon Degrelle would be proud.

>>29996

Leave Tukhachevsky-chan alone!

New thread please.

>>30055

You have my permission to make one.

>>30056

I can't think of anything good enough for my autistic self standards.

>>30057

Just copy and paste the current thread OP text and pick your favourite pic from your yuri folder for the OP image.

>>30058

Okay, I can't fuck that up.