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>IBM is reportedly near a deal to acquire open-source enterprise software firm Red Hat. The deal could be finalized as early as Sunday. Bloomberg first reported on the negotiations.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/ibm-is-reportedly-nearing-deal-to-acquire-red-hat.html
http://archive.fo/7Uzf5
▶ No.991653
First systemd, then the CoC, now this.
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▶ No.991655>>991791 >>992019 >>1001332
>IBM now controls an enormous monolithic and unauditable codebase that is inseparably a part of almost every major linux distribution
fucking based
▶ No.991658
>yfw we're literally stuck with windows and macos forever
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▶ No.991662>>991665 >>991681 >>991688 >>991691 >>991760 >>992062
Good. What's the problem? I thought IBM was one of the "good guys" because of POWER9? Make up your fucking mind.
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>>991662
Thomas Watson was certainly a good guy.
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They actually did it.
The absolute madmen.
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>>991664
>You've requested a page on a website (newsroom.ibm.com) that is on the Cloudflare network. Cloudflare is currently unable to resolve your requested domain (newsroom.ibm.com). There are two potential causes of this:
▶ No.991674
Guess now I definitely gotta install OpenBSD.
▶ No.991675>>991679
I don't see the problem. Can't get worse than Red Hat's poetteringzation, and IBM is a good company although few care for them now.
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>>991675
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson
>In 2001, a book called IBM and the Holocaust described how Mr. Watson provided the tabulating equipment Hitler used to round up the Jews. His Hollerith punch-card machines are in the Holocaust Museum today. The book describes IBM's punch cards as "a card with standardized holes", each representing a different trait of the individual. The card was fed into a "reader" and sorted. Punch cards identified Jews by name. Each one served as "a nineteenth-century bar code for human beings".
And here I thought they had number tattoos and normal paper records. What a fool I was.
I didn't even know this. Glad I looked it up. If the jews kvetch that hard about him, he must have been a truly good person.
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>>991662
You mean the "join our foundation, goy" OpenPOWER thing trying to pose as an alternative to RISC-V?
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>>991662
While they use their software patents against smaller competitors with some members of the FLOSS community calling for a boycott because of this there's also the POWER architecture which is open and libre.
http://techrights.org/category/ibm/
They've been involved with GNU/Linux and many GNU tools for decades already so this merger makes sense. And it's also very good news for the POWER platform which is why I'm cautiously optimistic.
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>>991662
>"good guys"
More "not actively hostile guys". They want nothing but to grab your shekels, but at least they still think of people as consumers rather than natural resource
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>>991688
Just like it makes sense for Microsoft to buy Linux, because they've been working with LInux for a long time, and are a FSF Platinum member.
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Red Hatter here. Don't know what to think of it yet.
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>>991692
You probably mean Linux Foundation member and back when their CEO was calling the GPL a cancer in the computing industry IBM was making ads like this in the early 2000s.
IBM did fuck up big time awhile back when they used software patents they previously promised not to use in a threatening manner which did nothing but strengthen the FSF's position that these tech companies have so many patents it doesn't matter if they give up a few to look good.
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/IBM_and_TurboHercules,_2010
There's also that software patent lawsuit they won recently against Groupon that the FLOSS community isn't to crazy about either, but Groupon did also attack GNOME a few years back on some trademark dispute so nobody really wants to defend them.
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>>991712
It's just the usual:
Embrace
Extend
Extinguish
I can't remember them doing anything that has to do with advancing GNU/Linux but making compatibility layers for Windows instead.
▶ No.991717
remove faggot, fired them all IBM.
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>>991712
>The agreements for both LOT and OIN have substantial limitations and exclusions. LOT only deals with the problem of patent trolling by non-practicing entities. OIN's nonaggression agreement only covers a defined list of free software packages, and any OIN member, including Microsoft, can withdraw completely with thirty days notice.
>Work within OIN to expand the definition of what it calls the "Linux System" so that the list of packages protected from patents actually includes everything found in a GNU/Linux system. This means, for example, removing the current arbitrary and very intentional exclusions for packages in the area of multimedia -- one of the primary patent minefields for free software. We suggest that this definition include every package in Debian's default public package repository.
https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-statement-on-microsoft-joining-the-open-invention-network
And this is no different than their 'Microsoft Open Specification Promise' and 'Microsoft Community Promise' they did years earlier. It's worthless when they can use patent troll proxies to go after competitors. The site techrights covers this in detail.
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>>991688
>there's also the POWER architecture which is open and libre.
the POWER architecture isn't open or libre faggot, it's behind an NDA and paywall.
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>>991722
people that care about GPL software Redhat has made.
I just find the news interesting that is on a Sunday they announce their hostile take over. Not a Monday when people work, no, a Sunday, the least day to reach mainstream news, and right around Halloween.
Spooky right?
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>>991712
Meanwhile they make over $5 for almost every Android device sold.
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>>991726
Which is GPL so I say again: Who cares?
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>>991709
<...writes a new computer operating system. He calls it Linux.
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>>991726
why "hostile"? What's wrong with IBM?
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>>991721
The code that runs on it is entirely libre which is what matters. And the paywall for the openpower foundation only applies to companies, associates and academic members don't have to pay.
>>991740
Objection sustained, he named it freax at first and the guy who was in charge of the FTP server named it Linux without consulting him about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux#Naming
And here's something I never heard of before
>In May 1996, Richard Stallman published the editor Emacs 19.31, in which the type of system was renamed from Linux to Lignux. This spelling was intended to refer specifically to the combination of GNU and Linux, but this was soon abandoned in favor of "GNU/Linux".
▶ No.991748
IBM is seemingly able to pull money out of the US government's ass whenever it wants, and Redhat's top customer is the US government. It sounds like a good match.
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>>991650 (OP)
Irrelevant or good. Red Hat is complete shit, so there is no way IBM will make it worse, but maybe they can make it better. It could be a good thing.
>>991679
Well, time to install OS/2 on my IBM ThinkCentre.
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>>991745
>And the paywall for the openpower foundation only applies to companies, associates and academic members don't have to pay.
link the processor schematics
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>>991745
>he named it freax at first and the guy who was in charge of the FTP server named it Linux
I actually thought about that when I made the post, but was going for the more obvious "operating system" misnomer
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>>991679
>he did something for money, in this case aided hitcuck in holocaust
>therefore he as a capitalist must be good
goyed
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>>991709
> See thumbnail
> "It's the fucking Sisko"
> Click video and hear that voice
> "It's the fucking Sisko"
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>>991662
IBM is too big for them to be one or the other, they change varying by department, it appears they still have good hardware guys but IBM software has been nothing but a pile of shit for decades.
Linux development will suffer because of this.
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>>991760
Another possibility is a new company coming from the RedHat people jumping shit.
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>>991761
That happened with Oracle, huge numbers of Sun devs just upped and left the moment they started pulling bullshit.
There's a problem thinking this will apply to IBM.
IBM won't be malevolent, they will just pajeet it, you're not going to see some massive dick move, you're just going to get slowly drowned in poo.
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>>991655
>Pajeets now controls an enormous monolithic and unauditable codebase that is inseparably a part of almost every major linux distribution
fixed
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>>991650 (OP)
Hardware companies are incapable of producing decent software. Prove me wrong.
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>>991795
This doesn't disprove your theory, but there are plenty of hardware companies working on the Linux kernel. Samsung also created f2fs.
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>>991796
Correct, because a kernel alone is not a product.
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>>991681
>OpenPOWER thing trying to pose as an alternative to RISC-V
Which RISC-V processors are the POWER series an alternative to?
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>>991796
>Texas Instruments
Now that's a surprise. I thought all they did was embedded systems and pieces such as gyroscopes and shit. Do they run the full Linux kernel in those?
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>>991795
IBM isn't a hardware company. They are simply management. They have a spin-off company, IBM CIC, that does an absolute shedload of software consultancy. They outsource all their hardware to established vendors. You don't have a fuckin clue mate
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>>991845
I never said they are a hardware company. Maybe you should learn how to read.
▶ No.991884
How many shekels does it take to buy out an NSA operation? Or what is happening here?
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>>991854
Then what the fuck was the point in your initial retarded post?
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>>991878
>hurdurr I'm entitled to a multimillion dollar work by thousands of people
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>>991901
>still can't prove it wrong
Come back when you think of one.
▶ No.991983>>992035
The reaction online is pretty diverse:
https://twitter.com/RedHat/status/1056623066019696640
I have to agree with the discontent, esp. that comment about the recent lay offs by IBM.
https://www.channele2e.com/news/ibm-watson-layoffs-2018-health-staff-members-cut/
Reading the comments, I'm not doubting IBM has its own Internet Defense Forces.
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>>991681
>muh RISC-V
Reminder that this doesn't exist and there is no real RISC-V CPUs out there.
How can you pose an alternative to something that doesn't exist?
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>>991655
Better IBM than poettering
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>>991833
TI makes the Sitara SoCs, which are sometimes used in ARM SBCs in addition to their typical embedded applications. They do indeed run Linux. The newer BeagleBoard models come immediately to mind as examples. A few years back the now discontinued TI OMAP SoCs were also used in some smartphones.
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>>991983
>I have to agree with the discontent, esp. that comment about the recent lay offs by IBM.
i hope they lay off every single redhat employee
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>>991759
>See thumbnail
>Captain?
>Click video
>Captain!
▶ No.992062
>>991662
These big companies are find as hardware makers but software always turns to shit. SaaS and licensing cancer will spread. Expect linux to get tied up in lawsuits soon like BSD did in the 1990s. Think about the SCO drama but on a much larger scale. Constant lawsuits is how these big old tech companies do business. Volunteer devs wont risk getting involved and you will be left with nothing but pajeets working under corporate protection.
Linux will die like it started. Linus started linux because of ongoing BSD litigation. Soon someone will start something new because of ongoing Linux litigation.
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>giis
>I went to IBM(India) interview sometime in 2011, after leaving GlusterFS (Red Hat). Interview went well, during final call with management. I was asked to stop working on Open Source during weekends or off-hours even though the IBM project and my Open Source work has nothing in common.
>I said, "I thought, IBM support Open Source right?" his response, "Yes, but that's another team"
>I decided to call-off the interview after that.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18321884
If true, this is very very bad news.
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>>991796
>none
>unknown
This is like when I open my music collection in a shitty "tag based" music player.
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>>993282
It's IBM. Should make it a pajeet.
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>>991655
One more reason (as if there weren't enough already) to operate non-systemd.
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>>991726
>hostile
But you would rejoice and celebrate if the news was that IBM is taking Thinkpad back from Lenovo, wouldn't you?