▶ No.972178>>972187 >>972219 >>972223 >>973631
Yeah, good luck writing the 1000s of drivers to add actual support for all the current year hardware that Linux has without the support of the hardware manufacturers like Linux has.
▶ No.972179>>972180 >>972187 >>972191 >>972242
>>972176 (OP)
>Yeah man too many SJW scum inside Linux now
>You know what would be a great idea?
>Jumping ship to a platform made by literal communists.
>That will show em!
ISHYGDDT
▶ No.972180>>972183
>>972179
>literal communists
Communism without idpol is better than socialism with idpol.
▶ No.972183
>>972180
Except GNU are bigger idpol except for maybe stallman who is too much of an autist.
▶ No.972187>>972193 >>972202 >>972230 >>972258 >>972297 >>972333
>>972179
>>972178
Correct.
The only thing we can do is to abandon x86_64 for the pile of shit that it is.
Time to write an explicitly anti-leftist operating system with a CoC that bans faggots/trannies/niggers/commies/socialists from contributing/existing, and do it on RISCV, significantly limiting the amount of hardware that needs to be supported.
<but you'll ban good coders from contributing
Partially, yes. There are good programmers that are leftist. But the latter two groups have proven to be nothing but detriments to the health of a project in the long run as they use their power to undermine the health of the community.
I don't think I need to comment on why the first three are intrinsically unable to write proper code.
▶ No.972191
>>972179
USSR wasn't such a bad place. Just remove the repressions.
▶ No.972193>>972200
>>972187
>we need to abandon one of the most widespread hardware platforms in the world, and thus abandon the personal computer and server world
>we need to exclude some of the groups that are the most unpopular to exclude
I wonder (((who))) would benefit from this
▶ No.972200>>972235
>>972193
>most widespread hardware platforms
And the one with the most baggage from 40 years of backwards compatibility.
It's bound to die eventually under the weight of all the useless shit, and meanwhile we could build a base on a more sensible platform.
>most unpopular to exclude
But they deserve it. We need to orient ourselves towards what is objectively right and just, and not what (((society))) views as such. Which reminds me, I forgot Jews in the list above.
▶ No.972202>>972203 >>972204
>>972187
>RISCV
Am I missing something here? Why will it be significantly easier? Because it’s open hardware and also less computers in general use it for their instruction sets?
▶ No.972203>>972206 >>972447
>>972202
He's memeing. Nothing can be done about this.
▶ No.972204>>972213
>>972202
RISC V asm is a joy to program in comparison to x86_64 asm.
As you said, it's also open, and it's coming as a "thing", what with lowRISC and SiFive, which could help to popularize a new OS on.
▶ No.972206>>972207
>>972203
Shut up CIA nigger. When there’s a will there’s a way.
▶ No.972207>>972210 >>972447
>>972206
Yeah man the triumph of the will really worked out well last time.
▶ No.972210>>972211
>>972207
I’ll shove my will up your anus.
▶ No.972213
>>972204
I’ve never heard of lowRISC or SiFive, thanks for mentioning them. Maybe this is the answer. Would the project be hosted on gitgud?
▶ No.972219>>972221
>>972178
>what are rump kernels
Don't be that guy
▶ No.972221>>972227 >>972228
>>972219
>rump kernel means you don't need drivers
▶ No.972222>>972271
>just accept it goy!!!
I wonder who is behind these posts??
▶ No.972223>>972227 >>972933 >>972996
>>972178
9front just ported the entire device tree from OpenBSD's kernel.
Tbh OpenBSD and 9front would both be pretty good choices for a commie-free OS.
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▶ No.972228
>>972221
Yes, that's pretty much what it means. You don't need to write the drivers yourself.
▶ No.972230>>972933
>>972187
My idea was to just have a group that had no code of conduct act through an intermediary to the Linux team. The intermediary would never break any CoC, and will allow open communication among those who participated in this group.
Tldr:
Rule-breaking anons organize and present as a rule-abiding contributor
▶ No.972235>>972251
>>972200
First of all, checked
>And the one with the most baggage from 40 years of backwards compatibility.
What you call baggage, the rest of the world calls features.
It will be hard to take the place of x86 without covering the past use cases.
>It's bound to die eventually
"Eventually" is too vague to plan around it or help in any way.
>But they deserve it.
You're mixing morals and tactics, that doesn't work.
>We need to orient ourselves towards what is objectively right and just
And by "objectively" you mean "in my mind"
▶ No.972238>>972241 >>972915 >>972933
I have a little proposal: Anyone who disagrees with the kernels new COC call the whole operating system GNU or GNU+Kernel Not Linux or even GNU/Linux. RMS is likely these assholes next target too.
▶ No.972241>>972256
>>972238
RMS is immune to being publicly shamed (parrot sex, etc.), so he'd be next to impossible to black-mail. So I hope they do try blackmailing him, and fail.
▶ No.972242>>972244 >>972252 >>972933
>>972179
RMS is a pseudo-communist, but the FSF as a whole is not.
▶ No.972244>>972282
>>972242
You are a pseudo-faggot, minus the pseudo.
▶ No.972250>>972366
I'm all for helping the HURD, but we need to discuss if it's design is actually viable.
▶ No.972251
>>972235
>You're mixing morals and tactics
I'm mixing morals and action. Morals that you do not act on, aren't.
If you wish to use deceitful tactics to realize your intentions, go right ahead, and good luck to you when you notice that you have become no different than them.
>And by "objectively" you mean "in my mind"
By objectively I mean "in the mind of anyone that is sane". I'm not even pushing my political ideas with any of what I said.
It's just that all of the groups mentioned have proven to be a huge detriment to western civilization from the second we let them run rampant.
Personally, I think there's a good deal more that have harmed civilization through their existence, but none of them have done it openly enough to prove that point by simply reading a newspaper.
▶ No.972252
>>972242
RMS is old-school lefty/pol/. But that's still better than being a fucking SJW tranny.
▶ No.972256
>>972241
They'd have to use a different tactic, but RMS isn't invincible.
▶ No.972258
>>972187
><but you'll ban good coders from contributing
>Partially, yes. There are good programmers that are leftist.
Besides, they're already trying to ban people who aren't as left as they are.
▶ No.972265>>972274
Too bad Hurd is pretty much completely dead. Pretty much no mailing list posts since december 2016.
▶ No.972271
▶ No.972274>>972308 >>972406
>>972265
This is easily changed, anon. And it's Mach 3 that is the main problem here. The HURD is actually the servers that run on top of the micro kernel.
▶ No.972282
>>972244
You need to get better at trolling if it's your job, spook.
▶ No.972297>>972326 >>972933
>>972187
>Partially, yes. There are good programmers that are leftist.
Wrong. The vast majority are leftists.
▶ No.972308>>972321
>>972274
Mach isn't the problem, lack of developers is.
▶ No.972321>>972322 >>972344 >>972406
>>972308
Mach IS the problem. The HURD is just the servers running on top of it. All the problems with the "HURD" are really problems with Mach 3.
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▶ No.972324>>972327
>>972176 (OP)
Looking at Guix and Guile, Hurd would get CoCed harder and faster than Linux. The only solution is a maintainer who simply refuses to play along with this bullshit, but such a person would have to be a chad who is not thirst for vagina.
▶ No.972326
>>972297
Wrong. The vast majority leave their politics out of their programming.
▶ No.972327
>>972324
>but such a person would have to be a chad who is not thirst for vagina.
Hmm... So my paedophilia might a positive thing for once.
▶ No.972331
>stallmeme against CoC
Thank Gnu
▶ No.972332
>>972176 (OP)
>Note that Linux is a kernel
I love how RMS interjects at every chance he gets.
▶ No.972333>>972352 >>972357 >>972410 >>972873
>>972187
<this CoC who tells people they shouldn't mistreat fellow developers is sooooo bad and opresive
<I know! lets make a new kernel with a CoC that bans people whose opinion I dont like!!!!
You just went full retarded there anon.
▶ No.972336>>972342 >>972347
Wait, how functional is hurd right now?
Can i shitpost with it without having to run everything through emacs?
▶ No.972342
>>972336
>Wait, how functional is hurd right now?
no.
▶ No.972344>>972406
>>972321
This. The HURD works, the linux drivers are ported and the init works, the only problem they had was the micro kernel hence viengoos and the endless purity (death) spiral/development vortex that sank the whole thing to begin with.
▶ No.972347>>972402
>>972336
I used to have it installed on one machine but I never really did anything with it. Mostly was annoyed by the lack of documentation for writing translators. There was some guy who wrote a nice tutorial in french and was going to translate it but i don't think he ever did.
I think technically you should be able to shitpost from Hurd.
Maybe I should try it again. I still have the CD and the machine.
▶ No.972352
>>972333
> tells people they shouldn't mistreat fellow developers
That is what he says meanwhile the creator of the code of conduct rants on Twitter about white people...
Why do you not want to admit what the code of conduct really is all about? You can see it. You can still be a communist if that's your thing but at least have the decency to call these kinds of people out. They are turning real socialist and human rights movements into a parody of themselves. Have some standards.
▶ No.972357>>972453
>>972333
>I know! lets make a new kernel with a CoC that bans people whose opinion I dont like!!!!
You mean this one? https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
The people behind it already tried banning Opal maintainer from his own project for political views. According to the new CoC Linus would have been kicked out from his own project decade ago. Pretty ironic if you ask me.
▶ No.972366>>972423 >>972497
>>972250
As far as I know there are no widely used microkernel based operating systems for desktop purposes, so I'm very doubtful.
▶ No.972402>>972441
>>972347
Update:
Managed to clean up enough to be able to comfortably use the machine it can actually run on. Found the cd but the installation isn't fool proof so might take a while.
▶ No.972406>>972416
>>972274
>>972321
>>972344
Wasn't there interest in porting Hurd from Mach 3 to seL4?
▶ No.972410>>972420 >>972425
>>972333
As I already argued above, it's not about banning people whose opinion I don't like, it's about banning people that have clearly contributed to the decline of western civilization.
▶ No.972416
>>972406
There was. There were also concerns about L4 model not being fully suitable. Also the micro kernel used was really not the biggest problem with the development.
▶ No.972420>>972421
>>972410
Don't repeat the left's mistake. We gain more from unrestricted, unfiltered communication than they do, so there's no need to outright ban commies and normalfags if you already have right-leaning contributors speaking their minds.
▶ No.972421
>>972420
People symphatetic, especially those with strong opinions about freedom (overlaps a lot with people interested in GNU and such) would probably not like a censored forum even if the censorship was directed at the people they are politically opposed to.
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▶ No.972425>>972435
>>972410
That's the exact same shit.
It's not about banning anyway, it's about if the contributed code has merit on it's own.
That's all that matters in the end.
▶ No.972435
>>972425
One's an objective measure, based on historical observations. The other's purely subjective.
And the problem isn't the code (though I doubt a severely mentally ill person could code well), it's that if they manage to get enough seniority, they'll be hard to impossible to replace and therefore be able to take the project hostage to some extent.
Long march through the institutions and all that. Better to nip the chance in the bud.
▶ No.972441
>>972402
My IDE drive is broken so I guess it won't happen today. I'll try to hunt for a working one tomorrow.
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▶ No.972453
▶ No.972497>>972499 >>972507
>>972366
Specifically, the Hurd isn't the micro kernel. The kernel is Mach. The HURD is basically servers that run on top of Mach not mitigate some of the drawbacks of micro kernels. It's not a hybrid kernel, technically, though, since the servers are not part of GNU Mach per se.
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▶ No.972507>>972509
>>972497
The HURD and GNU Mach are the only multiserver microkernel that I know of. The main drawback to the basic idea is that even though the servers would, in theory, reduce the performance deficit of a micro kernel, it adds nearly an order of magnitude of complexity.
▶ No.972509>>972813
>>972507
If we want multiple server processing, should we just use Dragonfly BSD?
▶ No.972813
>>972509
Isn't Dragonfly's kernel a hybrid?
▶ No.972873>>972881 >>972884 >>972896 >>972903 >>973036
>>972333
That's the paradox of tolerance. If you're not intolerant of the intolerant, you end up creating a less tolerant community.
▶ No.972881
>>972873
And Coraline Ada is the most intolerant person in all of this. And this is HIS Community Covenant.
▶ No.972884
>>972873
I agree. Which is why SJW must be purged.
▶ No.972896
>>972873
That’s a load of crap.
▶ No.972903
>>972873
I've heard SJWs say that shit a lot.
▶ No.972914>>972922 >>972924
Can someone give me the rundown of why we cant just use a regular hybrid kernel? Why do we need all these servers running on top of a micro kernel adding complexity?
▶ No.972922
>>972914
Because when one person fucks up a driver it does not cause a full system take over / crash.
▶ No.972924>>972929
>>972914
Imagine if you got a segfault in a program and instead of the program crashing your computer dies.
▶ No.972929>>973035
>>972924
works for the BSDs
▶ No.972933>>972948 >>972988
>>972223
OpenBSD might not be real happy with a bunch of retards like us submitting device drivers ported-over from linux, until we learn how to do it properly. Both could definitely benefit from all the driver work, though.
>>972230
Very nice. all pull requests come from the fork, not from the contributors to the fork.
>>972238
You posted this to the other thread, and I agree. If a linux fork ever takes off, it should be renamed GNU Kernel, and forced-relicensed to GPLv3 (I am an attorney. it CAN be done if you send proper notice and require affidavits for rebuttals under a strict time limit). Then the RMS Interjection can famously be retired.
>>972242
I tried to red-pill Stallman on the merits of private international contract law a while back, but the man who built Emacs and GNU pretended law was somehow harder than Lisp. His mindset is squarely based in "Freedoms" as opposed to Rights. Freedoms are granted by a monarch. Rights are unalienable from birth.
>>972297
Another kid that wasn't around for Slashdot trying to deny the libertarian streak of the Free Software movement. You'll turn 30 someday, and have an opinion that matters. Until then, adults are talking.
▶ No.972948>>972978
>>972933
>OpenBSD might not be real happy with a bunch of retards like us submitting device drivers ported-over from linux, until we learn how to do it properly. Both could definitely benefit from all the driver work, though.
Where does a pajeet go to learn this kind of thing?
▶ No.972978>>972986 >>973026
>>972948
looks like I was wrong. They want contributions.
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Diff
https://www.openbsd.org/report.html
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Support
Maybe they'll be a little pickier when they see all the goto's you've dropped in your packages, but it seems like clear-sailing, should you want to contribute.
Now, if you're looking for clues on how to write/port device drivers:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1897055865066dd57e6c38cc78c39ab566fabf2b
https://invidio.us/watch?v=W5qhWw07qpU
https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2017-device-drivers.pdf
HTH
▶ No.972986
>>972978
Thanks.. I guess. Gonna have to buy a copy of that book since that torrent is drier than Hillary's cunt.
▶ No.972988>>972996
>>972933
>OpenBSD might not be real happy with a bunch of retards like us submitting device drivers ported-over from linux, until we learn how to do it properly. Both could definitely benefit from all the driver work, though.
No they won't. They are suspicious of unknown people and very picky about style. If your new and wanted to get involved in an OS then NetBSD is much more welcoming.
▶ No.972996>>973012 >>973026
magnet link doesn't have any trackers by default. I downloaded from it, and am now seeding. If you can't get it from me, wait a while. I promise you that seeders exist.
>>972988
Nice try. We trust Theo and any of his coding standards more than your Botnet. If not GNU, OpenBSD or 9Front is the path going forward. Your BSD is irrelevant.
>>972223
It looks like OpenBSD might not like firmware blobs, so there might have to be some sort of separate tree for drivers that require them. This might actually benefit the project, because it can keep it's LoC count down, and facilitate (more) rapid development in driver space
▶ No.973012>>973020 >>973062
>>972996
>Your BSD is irrelevant.
It's not my BSD and all BSD is irrelevant. No one gives a shit what you use. My point was Theo isn't going to take shitty code from random /tech/ anons. No one here is at their level.
NetBSD has a much lower no bar and is accepting of devs just starting out. They consider themselves a tinkerers OS where as OpenBSD is much more serious. If they don't know you your code isn't getting in the tree.
▶ No.973020>>973053
>>973012
> my point is blackpill
OK son. We're gonna keep submitting code to OpenBSD anyway, if that's alright with you.
▶ No.973026
>>972996
OpenBSD makes a big distinction between firmware and drivers. They accept firmware blobs (that runs on hardware device), but they don't accept driver blobs (that runs in their kernel). See the first few pages of the paper linked at the end of this post >>972978, and also this video that goes with it and elaborates:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W5qhWw07qpU
▶ No.973035>>973526
>>972929
>works
>BSD
Pick one
▶ No.973036
>>972873
That's a partial quote from Popper, with an interesting omission.
▶ No.973053>>973558
>>973020
>We're gonna keep submitting code
lel knock it off. Your not coding anything. I don't think xBSD needs any new logo's at the moment.
▶ No.973062>>973558
>>973012
Oh no, Theo might hurt my feelings. If only OpenBSD had a Code of Conduct, I would be writing so many contributions.
▶ No.973485>>973558
linux desktop 2019
pozzed by identity politics
/tech/ switched to gnu/hurd
▶ No.973526
>>973035
That was the point, dipshit.
▶ No.973558>>973562
>>973053
<I'm so triggered he called me his son.
My not coding anything? what does that even mean, brainlet? While you keep trying to demotivate, I've started my first driver. Wish me luck, if you have it in you to do something other than blackpill.
>>973062
NetBSD has one of those abominations too? That explains the push.
>>973485
You need to work on your haiku skillz. 5-7-5, bruh. Good try, tho.
▶ No.973562
>>973558
>NetBSD has one of those abominations too?
no, it doesn't have. only freebsd and lincucks have a CoC
▶ No.973569>>973570
>>972176 (OP)
Richard Stallman approves of this message.
▶ No.973575
>>973572
what are you trying to slide, faggot?
▶ No.973631>>973634
>>972178
This is a convenient reason to shift away from x86.
▶ No.973634
>>973631
What the fuck does that have to do with x86? As if you won't have to write drivers for other architectures?