▶ No.966897>>967522
How could anyone acquiesce to this?
▶ No.966902>>966903 >>967015 >>967067 >>967082 >>967166 >>967183 >>967319 >>967716 >>974198
>>966894 (OP)
I've been delaying linux migration for far too long. It's time to jump, but I know shit-all about any of it. I can program but I don't want to deal with terminals and shit.
▶ No.966903>>968629
>>966902
Install mint, and once shitstench D bites your ass, install Devuan
▶ No.966908>>966909 >>966911 >>967017
As much as I hate Microsoft(having stopped using Windows at home years ago), I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to offer security updates for old products indefinitely free of charge.
The real problem here is that all their recent OSes suck(even by comparison), not that they're going to start charging for security patches on an OS after the extended support period is over.
▶ No.966909>>966929 >>967522
>>966908
The thing here is this is the direction they're taking NEW versions of Windows too. The groundwork has already been laid in the current version of Win10.
▶ No.966911>>966967
>>966908
>ecurity updates for old products indefinitely free of charge
There's always been periods beyond which supports ends.
It pisses me off that now even OS's are jumping into a subscription model. I hate subscriptions.
▶ No.966914
Year of the Linux desktop soon?
I highly doubt those intelligent enough to have rejected W10 in favor 7 outside of businesses to this day are willing to pay.
▶ No.966915>>966937 >>967084 >>967102 >>967217
I haven't updated Windows 7 in a long time, and I don't plan to start.
Xmedia Recode, ShareX, and windows photo viewer are probably the only reasons I haven't switched to Linux yet. There's just no good alternatives.
▶ No.966916
>Windows
Stopped reading there.
▶ No.966918
>Win10 has failed so spectalularly they have to find a solution to monetize their previous OS.
▶ No.966929>>966935 >>967040 >>967088
>>966909
They haven't announced any such plans for Windows 10, and there's no reason to think they'll charge for updates on their current O/S.
▶ No.966934
At least by then react OS will be out of alpha with version 0.5, and then stuck in beta for a decade There is no way Microsoft is getting away with this. It's like cable. Normalfags are going to get frustrated at the price and lack of convenience, and stop using their computers. They don't even need to use microsoft word anymore, they're all starting to use google docs.
▶ No.966935
>>966929
Dude, LOOK at the things they've already done with Win10. The groundwork for Windows: SAAS Edition has already been laid. They're just biding their time at this point.
▶ No.966937>>966941
>>966915
Uh, there are actually tons of decent image viewers for Linux.
▶ No.966939>>971808
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Do they really think this is gonna work?, Microshaft is finished.
▶ No.966941>>966972 >>966973 >>966985 >>967337
>>966937
Give me one that doesn't freeze for a whole minute when I'm scrolling through images and a 20000x20000 image comes by. Windows photo viewer doesn't, it opens a thumbnail in an instant and loads the full image in the background, and I can just ignore the image and keep scrolling without being affected.
▶ No.966959
>>966894 (OP)
>running windows update, ever
>paying for it
▶ No.966960>>969852
YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP SOON
▶ No.966962
if dubs microshit goes bankrupt by 2019
▶ No.966967
>>966911
>There's always been periods beyond which supports ends.
Microsoft calls that period "extended support". Except for some critical updates, they've NEVER given security updates past that.
▶ No.966972>>966976
>>966941
How often do you have gigantic images like that anyway? Pretty lame excuse if you ask me.
▶ No.966973>>966976 >>966985
>>966941
Nigger, what are these images of? Your fucking Minecraft world map?
▶ No.966976>>966979 >>966980 >>966983 >>966994
>>966972
>>966973
>yeah well it's worse but you're dumb if you care!
FOSS advocates everyone
I do graphic design and I'm constantly dealing with photos that are upwards to 8000+ pixels, I don't have the time or patience to constantly sit waiting for the program to regain it's heartbeat. Recently I had an image of Earth (over 20k pixels wide if I recall) in a project folder, and whenever I viewed images from that folder irfanview would freeze and become completely unresponsive and interrupt what I was doing.
▶ No.966977>>967175
Since people didn't read the article, what this means is that after Windows 7 support ends in 2020 they will start offering paid security updates until 2023.
▶ No.966979>>966981 >>966983 >>966994
>>966976
A lot of them don't do anything with their systems, so the idea that people need their systems to be able to do certain things is a bit alien to them.
▶ No.966980>>966984 >>966993
>>966976
Why don't you send us a sample image and we'll see if it loads.
▶ No.966981>>967020
>>966979
>IT ALLEGEDLY DOESN'T SUIT MY NICHE USE CASE, LINUX BTFO!
▶ No.966983>>966993 >>967020 >>967067
>>966979
>>966976
I actually edit videos and do animation with nothing but F/OSS. Maybe you guys should head back over where you came from before you embarrass yourselves.
▶ No.966985>>966993
>>966941
Try nomacs, it loads thumbnails in the background.
>>966973
>Your fucking Minecraft world map?
kek
▶ No.966993>>966995 >>966996 >>966997 >>967023
>>966980
https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=57752
land_shallow_topo_21600.tif
Freezes for 4 seconds on this computer, but my computer at work is significantly slower and older.
>>966983
Failing to see the viewpoint of other people is a symptom of autism.
>>966985
>nomacs
That still freezes, the only difference is that I can still move the window. But I don't see what image is loading nor am able to scroll past it without waiting for it to finish.
Admittedly I'm on Windows right now so I don't know if it functions differently on Linux.
▶ No.966994
>>966976
>>966979
For the record, gif images constantly freeze ristretto so it's not as if I couldn't see the need for an image viewer that doesn't do these things. I just figured like most Windows users he was making shit up to avoid the switch.
Also try Wine.
▶ No.966995
>>966993
Nigger, are you seriously bitching about other peoples autism on a tech related image board? Where exactly do you think you are right now?
▶ No.966996>>967009
>>966993
>source file could not be read
Great job.
▶ No.966997>>966999
>>966993
huh, well it does load thumbnails in the background, I don't know if it's any different with the massive images you speak of.
▶ No.966999>>967000 >>967009
>>966997
He's bullshiting at this point. He just gave us a bunch of broken links to try.
▶ No.967000>>967001
>>966999
Wew, them digits.
▶ No.967009>>967338
>>966996
>>966999
I just downloaded it a fucking minute ago. Give me a file host that you guys are willing to download from and I'll upload it there. Volafile is made of javascript and catbox seems to be taking 7 years to upload.
aa
▶ No.967015>>967452
>>966902
>I don't want to deal with terminals and shit
Why not? I understand that at first it seems like a ton of work but as the alternative to digging through GUIs I think it's a lot better.
▶ No.967017
>>966908
I don't think it's reasonable for them to make anything secure in the first place. Money is much better invested in redesigning the UI, logo, and marketing campaigns.
▶ No.967018
>>966894 (OP)
Windows already stopped being a real OS when they started using hyperlinks to get around the administrative GUIs (introduced in Vista IIRC).
▶ No.967019>>967022
Listen to me, autist wanting your automagical image viewer. How do you think a thumbnail is made? Right, the image must be read then resized. This means that your OS or viewer creates a cache (leaking info by writing on the disk, or simply by creating the thumbs when you don't know it's doing so) for every image either created or viewed.
Your viewer will have the same problem if it opens it for the first time.
btw, sxiv is the best image viewer (currently).
▶ No.967020>>967021
>>966983
>>966981
The argument was that it doesn't matter whether or not someone is able to edit huge images on Linux.
▶ No.967021
>>967020
If all else fails, the GIMP should be able to load TIF files that large. If all you want to do is LOOK at the file, then that's one option.
▶ No.967022
>>967019
sxiv is cool, but it doesn't generate thumbnails in the background which is annoying.
▶ No.967023>>967025
>>966993
>whining that his 4GB image lags the system when he has thumbnails enabled in the file browser.
how about you just disable thumbnails on the folder with your multi-gigabyte images faggot
▶ No.967025
>>967023
Firstly you're asking me to do work I don't have to while in Windows, and secondly you didn't understand what the problem was.
▶ No.967040
>>966929
>Activating the trap when there is still a good chunk of people with windows 7
▶ No.967055>>967068
>>967044
That's so good it looks official.
▶ No.967067>>967070 >>967078 >>967081 >>967083 >>967096 >>967097 >>967116 >>967331 >>967446
>>966902
>I can program but I don't want to deal with terminals and shit
What the fuck are you doing? What fucking language are you using that you haven't "dealt with" a fucking terminal?
>>966983
>edit videos
What do you use? I've still been using kdenlive and it's shit
▶ No.967068
▶ No.967070
>>967067
>What the fuck are you doing? What fucking language are you using that you haven't "dealt with" a fucking terminal?
You've found a web dev
▶ No.967074
>>966894 (OP)
If people want to use windows then by all means. Just don't be the moron who comes into a linux oriented board and starts complaining about how they can't load images in linux based OSs as if any of us are supposed to care. If linux is too shit for you then fuck off to windows and take whatever cuckoldry they give you or go complain to actual GNU devs who can actually do something about it.
▶ No.967078
>>967067
Haven't said I've never dealt with it. I'm saying I don't want to deal with OS terminals any more than I have to.
▶ No.967080
>>967044
If Stallman is so smart, why hasn't he invested in anime commercials?
▶ No.967081
>>967067
>What do you use? I've still been using kdenlive and it's shit
You can use blender.
▶ No.967082
>>966902
>I don't want to deal with terminals and shit
Good thing there's a graphical frontend or replacement for literally every command line tool worth using.
▶ No.967083
>>967067
>What do you use? I've still been using kdenlive and it's shit
unironically master ffmpeg
▶ No.967084>>967102 >>967108
>>966915
>ShareX
Something like ShareX doesn't make much sense on Linux. You can assign keyboard shortcuts to scrot (capture entire screen/selection rectangle/selected window) and have it do a specific action to the new image file like moving it to a folder, uploading it to a website, and/or putting it on your clipboard, any other user defined action.
▶ No.967088>>967190
>>966929
>Microsoft has always described Windows 10 “as a service” and leaks have already revealed new monthly charges are coming.
Literally the first actual literal sentence of the literal article, literally.
▶ No.967096
>>967067
Blender is a powerful video editor, and there is next to nothing you can't do with it when you learn how to use it.
Also, nobody gives a fuck what you think about Blender's UX. It gets the job done and all it takes is the patience to sit through a few tutorials.
▶ No.967097>>967108
>>967067
Is there some epidemic of dyslexia I'm unaware of that has so many people terrified of text-based interfaces?
▶ No.967102>>967108
>>967084
>>966915
Yeah.
The UNIX way is too extensible to bother with writing a program specifically for that. Here's the part on my i3 configuration file that handles screenshots. I can take fullscreen or current window PNG and JPG screenshots.
bindsym Print exec "scrot '/homea/anon/Pictures/Screenshots/scrot/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h.png' -e 'optipng -o7 -zm9 '$f''"
bindsym $mod+Print exec "scrot -u '/home/anon/Pictures/Screenshots/scrot/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h.png' -e 'optipng -o7 -zm9 $f'"
bindsym shift+Print exec "scrot '/tmp/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h_scrot.bmp' -e 'mozcjpeg -outfile /home/anon/Pictures/Screenshots/scrot/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h_scrot.jpg -qualit
y 89 -quant-table 2 -maxmemory 512000 -dc-scan-opt 1 -optimize -progressive $f && rm $f'"
bindsym $mod+shift+Print exec "scrot -u '/tmp/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h_scrot.bmp' -e 'mozcjpeg -outfile /home/anon/Pictures/Screenshots/scrot/%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S_$wx$h_scrot.jpg
-quality 89 -quant-table 2 -maxmemory 512000 -dc-scan-opt 1 -optimize -progressive $f && rm $f'"
▶ No.967106>>967428
Do it Microsoft, make everyone move to Linux
▶ No.967108>>967119
>>967084
>>967102
I forgot Sharex is supposedly a screenshot tool. The thing I specifically use it for is to record webms from a screen region. It's so easy and fast to use that I can casually make videos to show things any time. Gif related.
I manage screenshots by pasting and cropping it into MS Paint, since that's more controllable for cropping, and I can save it where ever when ever and won't have to clean temporary files after.
>>967097
Learning, remembering, and then typing words is not as convenient as seeing a button and pressing it. There's advantages to both, but GUIs take the cake in both ease of use and perception of results. Text based input is generally superior in flexibility since you can condense a huge amount of behavior into a single text line, but that's assuming you memorized those commands beforehand.
▶ No.967116
>>967067
Everyone likes to post that terry video, but it's still so fucking true. Command line interfaces required a base level intelligence and patience, and computing was better for it.
▶ No.967119>>967122
>>967108
> but that's assuming you memorized those commands beforehand
You know, modern shells have this thing called "autocompletion"...
▶ No.967122>>967128
>>967119
Autocompletion is helpful but not a solution. Even if it autocompletes [bindsym $mod+Print exec "scrot -u '/aaa.png' -e 'optipng -o7 -zm9 $f'"] for you, that might as well be in Chinese until you go and learn what it all means, and if you do that then autocompletion didn't prevent you from having to go and memorize them.
▶ No.967128
>>967122
Exactly. For migration to be feasible it needs to be at least somewhat intuitive. I don't want to have to spend weeks learning the insides of an OS. That being said, I've been researching the matter and some distros look pretty user-friendly. Now it's a matter of honing in among all the options to the most convenient and versatile.
▶ No.967133
>>966894 (OP)
<InB4 install Gentoo
>Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe.
>Buying ANYTHING from Micro$hit
>Being worried about not having window$ updates
They will start attacking users with win7 to force them to switch or pay
Even like that it will just be like the times when xp was a thing
I would say they will loose market instead of gaining there are many options to dodge something as stupid as renting an OS
It will be funny, something burning at last will be refreshing for a change
▶ No.967166>>967186
>>966902
>but I don't want to deal with terminals and shit
It's a tool. If you put some effort into it you'll see when it makes sense to use a terminal and when it makes sense to use a GUI.
In a couple of weeks you'll get used to it and in a few months you'll want to chop your dick off when you want to do something that fits the terminal model better but don't have access to one.
▶ No.967175
>>966977
>Since people didn't read the article, what this means is that after Windows 7 support ends in 2020 they will start offering paid security updates until 2023.
In other words, the same thing they've always done when a Windows version's extended support is over? Seems like OP blew this out of proportion.
▶ No.967178
>>966894 (OP)
>Microsoft will charge for providing patches for one of their OSes past its EoL
Wew, what else is new? Nothing to see here, move along.
▶ No.967183>>967184 >>967186 >>967201
>>966902
If you have a Windows computer here's what to do:
>Google and download a program called USBWriter (the icon is a blue thumb drive)
>Go to a Linux distribution website of your choice (for beginners I would say Linux Mint or Ubuntu)
>Download the .iso file of the x86_64 distribution (or just whatever the main download is if it doesnt specify)
>plug in a thumb drive, and in My Computer right click format drive if it isn't already wiped completely clean. Ignore this if it's already just a clean thumb drive.
>Open up USBWriter, select whichever drive (E: , F: , etc) the thumb drive is plugged into. For the file to write, select the .iso file. Write the file to the thumb drive (should take a couple minutes)
>On the computer you want to install Linux on, plug the thumb drive in while it is off
>Turn your computer on while rapidly pressing F12
>boot from USB
From there, you should be good to go.
▶ No.967184
>>967183
>rapidly pressing F12
This depends on the computer. It may be F2 or F4 or something else.
▶ No.967186>>967333 >>968149 >>968708
>>967183
I can install an OS. The issue is when using it, doing things through command lines where GUI is insufficient. Maybe Linux is more user friendly than what I know. I'm reading good things about Mint. I have to look closer.
>>967166
There's no way around it, is there? I'm going to have to learn things.
▶ No.967190
>>967088
>moving the goalpost
I'm talking about a subscription model for updates. SaaS was not the point. You should read the EULA on most of the software you use.
▶ No.967201
>>967183
Is USBWriter better than Rufus?
▶ No.967217
>>966915
use WSUSoffline dumbass
▶ No.967319>>967320
>>966902
>programmer
>complains about terminals
Nah, stay in your MS shithole OS kiddo. We don't want you.
▶ No.967320>>967324 >>967327
>>967319
lol programmers go away! We don't need new talents or viewpoints, as proven by year of the linux desktop 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018!
▶ No.967324
>>967320
What kind of programmer complains about terminals? Piss off.
▶ No.967327>>967335 >>969854
>>967320
>webdev thinks he's a programmer
▶ No.967331>>967339
>>967067
>What the fuck are you doing? What fucking language are you using that you haven't "dealt with" a fucking terminal?
If you are on windows, you can easily program in C/C++ or Java without bothering with the command line, by using IDEs, besides seeing the results in the "terminal" at the bottom, and maybe giving some inputs for argv[], and even then, people who use that "terminal" don't become experts in using the terminal for Linux/Windows, it's just a window that shows the results, no something to use cd, ls/dir, grep or whatever.
▶ No.967333
>>967186
Just learn to use the fucking terminal holy fuck it isn't hard. Like sudo apt install niggers it's four words.
▶ No.967334>>967340
>>966894 (OP)
So... what's the best distro for a windows faggot that doesn't know anything about anything when it comes to computers?
▶ No.967335>>967362
>>967327
>everyone who disagrees with me is a web developer!
I have never touched the command line for programming reasons. I made a build file as soon as I started programming in a compiled language and have called that from my text editor since. Technically I've written 3 meaningful command line commands since that's what I put into the build file; compile, link, and start program, but for the most part I copy pasted those from somewhere else.
I can use the command line if I really need to, but I don't fucking want to.
▶ No.967337>>967338 >>967353
>>966941
I deal with 800mb image files on a daily basis and I can tell you now you're talking absolute shite. Windows photo viewer freezes when trying to open such a large image. It doesn't support any bit depth above 8-bit per channel and it doesn't even support ICC profiles. Irfanview opens these images without image.
▶ No.967338
>>967337
>you're talking absolute shite
I captured on video both irfanview and nomacs freezing up when a large image comes by while photo viewer isn't affected. >>967009 You can see them stopping momentarily at other images too.
It definitely doesn't show the colors in certain profiles correctly (CMYK images are especially bad), but that's much less of a problem than the freezing in my usage. The programs where I actually use the images show colors correctly.
▶ No.967339
>>967331
>Windows
>C programming
>using C/C++ in a sentence as if they were interchangeable
monkey pls
▶ No.967340>>967458
>>967334
Kubuntu, obviously.
▶ No.967353
>>967337
And in 7 it didn't support camera raw unless you installed an add-on from microshaft.
IDK about 10, I uninstalled that shit as soon as it forced itself on me.
▶ No.967362>>967368 >>967385
>>967335
>I can use the command line if I really need to, but I don't fucking want to.
Hey if you want to be a pajeet that's fine just don't expect anyone to agree with you retarded wisdom.
>I made a build file
So did I, when I was 5.
▶ No.967368>>967369
>>967362
>So did I, when I was 5.
Wow teach me your ways epic hacker Anoymous! You're so l33t and cool!
▶ No.967369>>967372
>>967368
Step 1: Don't be a faggot
Step 2: Don't be a nigger
Step 3: Don't fear the command line
▶ No.967372
>>967369
Is there some secret to how you did it without following Step 1?
▶ No.967385
>>967362
>unless you force yourself to use command line when it's not needed nor the most convenient thing to use, you're pajeet
Whatever you say pajeet.
▶ No.967420>>967423
>click my documents
>right click
>new folder
>right click rename
>'memes'
>right click
>new folder
>right click
>rename
>'animes'
or
>mod + enter
>'mkdir memes anime'
>mod + shift + q
same shit gets done but it is clear which one is easier and more efficient.
▶ No.967423>>967451 >>968035
>>967420
>see a bunch of folders with thumbnails that give a hint of what's in it
>click the one you want to go to
>see a grid of thumbnails and names and possibly other information of all the files, can easily click whatever catches your eye to open/modify it or read metadata/etc
or
>see literally nothing
>type a command to get a list of directory names in plain text, with no other information
>type another command and also the folder name in order to enter it
>see literally nothing
>type a command to see a mile long list of filenames that's almost impossible to read or navigate meaningfully
>no other information, maybe file size at most
>have to type yet more, this time the filename in order to open/interact with it
same shit gets done but it is clear which one is easier and more efficient.
▶ No.967428
>>967106
Do it, Microsoft. Set me free.
▶ No.967446
▶ No.967451>>967454
>>967423
That's why you give meaningful names to files, brainlet.
▶ No.967452>>968149
>>967015
Can I play games on linux? Specifically PC games from 90s to now, and emulators like dolphin and psx, I was thinking about just making an emulation machine with pi.
▶ No.967458
>>967340
Why did Bill have to retire. His company is gonna shit the bed so fucking hard.
▶ No.967495
I haven't used this unless it's for work purposes. I actively avoid proprietary software or SaaS if I can.
▶ No.967522
>>966897
If you're a business that runs special proprietary software that only works with Windows 7 (say because the software was originally built for Win3.1 but then upgraded at great expense) and want to stay updated for liability reasons.
>>966909
Then let them. If MS does that with their current OS private consumers will get confused, think their documents won't work anymore, and walk away. Businesses will be sufficiently scared to look for alternatives. They'd dig their own grave, or at least wall themselves in to a small but hardcore base of AAA enterprise customers like IBM did.
▶ No.967716>>967717
>>966902
>terminals and shit
How do you not enjoy doing things without lifting a hand to use the mouse all the time?
▶ No.967717>>968033 >>968968 >>971815
>>967716
I've never experienced complete mouselessness. Are they not merely legends of old?
▶ No.968033
>>967717
last year when i only had a shit 2005 netbook with 256kb of ram i ran only tty, with the exception of some games in i3. You can do almost everything in terminal, listen to music, view images, browse the web, email, coding, compiling, networking, chatting, and many other things.
▶ No.968035>>969815 >>969849
>>967423
Once you know how you can do any file management easier in terminal. this might help you if you ever decide to use terminal. Probably not because you are a stupid windows nigger though.
ls -la | grep png
'-l' lists all information associated with file
'-a' shows hidden files
'| grep png' filters and shows only lines containing "png".
▶ No.968149>>968705
>>967186
If you REALLY don't want to learn to use terminal, with Ubuntu/Mint you can do almost everything through GUI. It's just faster and easier to use terminal once you learn how.
>>967452
Between WINE and Dosbox, you can play pretty much everything except new AAA games that come with DRM. Emulators work the same as with windows.
▶ No.968165>>968169
>>967454
If you gave the files and folders meaningful names as soon as you got them you wouldn't have that problem.
▶ No.968169
>>968165
That's work I don't have to do with a GUI file manager.
▶ No.968198
>>966894 (OP)
wow, you are fast, I've heard about this back in August 2017
▶ No.968629
>>966903
I'm on Manjaro currently. How's Devuan?
▶ No.968660
>>967044
Nanami is best girl.
It hurts me that we got so close to perfection with W7, but Microshit had to ruin everything.
▶ No.968701
>>966894 (OP)
Charging for extended support for a discontinued product is not SAAS, kill yourself OP
▶ No.968705
>>968149
Emulators work better than in windows because Linux is lighter on the resources.
▶ No.968708>>969000
>>967186
If you want a real introduction to linux while keeping the user-friendliness of ubuntu get Manjaro. Large software library and best of both words
▶ No.968968>>971815
>>967717
>I've never experienced complete mouselessness.
I pity you. Once you get the hang of them, keyboard commands and shortcuts are way the fuck faster than moving the mouse around and clicking through pages of GUI screens until you get what you want, especially if you have a good typing speed. It's one of the major reasons power users tend to prefer hotkeys and keyboard-based interfaces.
>Are they not merely legends of old?
HAHAHA, oh WOW. No. And by the way, it really does reflect badly on you as a programmer to look upon keyboard interfaces as antiquated systems. Not in terms of "you gotta show the classics respect kiddo" but in terms of "here's a programmer who doesn't understand workflow efficiency and has difficulty handling console commands - suddenly I have low expectations of his skills as a programmer." It's not for nothing that a number of programs come with their own console interfaces. It's because it genuinely is useful and productive.
Why the fuck do you think fucking Microsoft with their fondness for shiny new things created a new fucking PowerShell system for their GUI-obsessed Windows OS? Because there was serious demand for a better console in MS Windows (and also because MS bureaucracy made it easier to get approval for "make a new shell" than "fix Command Prompt's problems" since MS rates shiny new features higher than bugfixes and QOL improvements, go figure).
▶ No.969000>>969013
>>968708
I am on Ubuntu right now because after updating Manjaro I got a kernel panic.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kernel-panic-post-update/55381
▶ No.969013>>969058
>>969000
You can pick your kernel in Manjaro. But a non-rolling distro is generally better if you're still learning the ropes. I recommend either Ubuntu Mate, or Xubuntu.
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>>969058
Terry didn't ever use 'desum' as a username. He's gone, anon.
▶ No.969135>>969849
Windows 98 will stay great forever.
▶ No.969815
>>968035
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
▶ No.969849>>969875 >>969894 >>970333 >>971694
>>969135
90s Linux kernel panic >>> Blue Screen of Death. The only good things about 98 are that it didn't BSOD as often as 95 (still BSOD'd often though), and that it was a DOS system at its core, allowing you to do fun DOS things.
>>968035
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
>ls -la | grep png
...
...
OH MY FUCKING... WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU THIS BAD?
I knew /tech/ had been suffering an influx of arrogant idiots but this is just depressing as shit. "ls" is like the most basic command to *nix interfaces; it's like typing "dir" in DOS. And you don't even understand how to use wildcards. This ain't rocket science. This is the most basic of basics.
ls *.png
That will display all files with a .png extension. If you really want files that have "png" anywhere in their filenames, it's "ls *png*"
▶ No.969852
>>966960
Can you think of one thing you liked that got better when millions of normalfags took it up?
▶ No.969854
>>967327
(Professional) webdevs need to use terminals these days though.
▶ No.969875
>>969849
You're right but wrong. Your solution doesn't consider dotfiles, and POSIX sh doesn't have the nullglob shopt making it possible to just do `ls *.png .*.png`
Also, `printf '%s\n' *.png` is faster, since printf is a builtin in most shells.
▶ No.969894>>970127 >>970398
>>969849
I actually mostly used Windows 95 growing up and I never got a single BSoD. The times I did get ones were later on with XP and Vista, and when I got them on XP that was due to hardware failure.
I like Windows 98 for a large number of reasons, the aesthetic, the huge software library, it's amazing legacy support through the underlying DOS, that it's not a spyware suite that is designed to be connected to the interbutts at all times, it has the best video games and so on. It's just a very comfy OS to have on your PC.
▶ No.969904
Microsoft had 2 teams competing in Windows
og Microsoft Team
and Cutlers NT team (VMS)
eventually they merged into XP(NT 5.0)
Microsoft also had servers business for ages and this SAAS thing is nothing but them trying to merge that into consumer OS again
but this time its made by thousands of disposable programmers instead of 2 really focused tight teams
▶ No.970127>>970172
>>969894
2k-tan is superior and so is her OS
▶ No.970172>>971661
>>970127
I never really liked the NT family, but that's just speaking as a home user. Windows 2000 server was okay, I used it when I got stared with network stuff. As for tans Windows 98 is clearly the best, with XP as a close second and Windows 7 as third.
▶ No.970333
>>969849
>ls *.png
>ls
>not echo *.png
It's like you don't know how posix works, you don't need to specify the ls command because * is already taking each file in the directory.
doing ls *.png is the eqivilant of doing ls <filename> in a loop.
Stop being stupid.
▶ No.970398
>>969894
Win9x does like to show a few non-serious errors as bluescreens though. For example if the system is accessing the optical drive, it'll do that instead of opening a dialog box.
>it's not a spyware suite that is designed to be connected to the interbutts at all times
Lel, you do realize Windows has been giving info to the NSA since 95 right? Granted, it is to a lesser extent than today and is a bit less useful due to PCs not being constantly connected to the Internet.
▶ No.971661
>>970172
>w7 as third
Nanami and XP are pretty much tied on first place honestly.
▶ No.971694
>>969849
Haha, now i feel stupid. all this time and i had no idea you could do it like that. piping to grep is what i know for filtering lines. and as a matter of fact i do know how to use wildcards, but they are not necessary when grepping output.
▶ No.971808
>>966939
>Do they really think this is gonna work?, Microshaft is finished
Its similar to sites blasting ads all over their page just before they go bankrupt.
▶ No.971815>>974211
>>967717
>>968968
For what it's worth, I had a very ornery computers teacher who forced us to work mouseless on Windows in middle school, so it's entirely possible to do it. You need Classic Shell and a bunch of other shit to do it now on Windows 7, but I can still navigate at bare minimum twice as fast as the quickest Mac user, and this is well over a decade later.
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▶ No.974203>>974242
>>966894 (OP)
Fork Windows 7, then slowly improve it to be better than CoCk/Linux
▶ No.974211
>>971815
I still have a PC with Windows 7 for games. Not using the mouse is not really that viable (I always disliked using the mouse). I can do it, but depending on what I have to do, it can be less than ideal. The window manager doesn't help either. When you have to use the mouse for something, you quickly end up using it for everything just so you don't have to keep moving your hands. I try to make it as efficient as possible, but in the end Windows is just shit. If the Unix-like OSs are piles of bricks, Windows is a block of concrete, which is appropriate considering the Stalinist abomination that it ended up becoming, so I guess it's communist architecture. It's way too inflexible to ever be comfortable for me to use, and it's a mess overall and arbitrarily limited in every possible way, for no reason other than treating the user like a prisoner. Windows 95 is still the best version of Windows, and that will never change. Specifically Windows 95 before Microsoft infected it with Internet Explorer (which also ruined 98, at the time), so the CD version doesn't count. It only got worse from there, and nothing good was ever added. All newer versions of Windows are just 95 but worse, and 95 wasn't even original to begin with, so Microsoft doesn't even get much credit for that. You can just give it to Apple. Windows 10, on the other hand, is bad even by Microsoft standards. It's the worst shit that I have ever used in my life (not in my computers, of course). At this point, it's safe to say that Bill Gates deserves to have a burning cactus shoved up his ass while he hangs from a tree for ruining technology forever. Not doing that would be a gross violation of my human rights. Then again, if you set something on fire, it becomes black, so I guess he would enjoy having it in there.
▶ No.974242>>974245
>>974203
>Fork Windows 7
This is a great idea, i wonder why no one has thought of doing this?
▶ No.974245
>>974242
Because it is closed-source
▶ No.974288
Contribute to ReactOS or perish
▶ No.974321
>>966984
Why did you post this?