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 No.951692>>951777 >>951805 >>951936 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

READ THIS SHIT

>Price fixing in the DRAM market is nothing new unfortunately. As recently as January this year, a Chinese regulator accused Samsung other chip manufacturers of artificially increasing prices to pad their margins. Samsung is also no stranger to price fixing, as a $300 million judgement against it and Hynix was handed down in 2006 here in the United States.

>

>Today, however, Samsung and other DRAM manufacturers are facing another legal fight in the U.S., and it comes courtesy of the law firm Hagens Berman. A class action lawsuit was filed today in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California and alleges that Samsung, Micron and Hynix conspired to artificially limit the supply of DRAM chips in an effort to keep prices high. As a result, device manufacturers that rely on DRAM chips had to pay inflated prices, and those costs were of course passed on to you, the consumer. This has especially been true as higher DRAM costs have also resulted in inflated prices for graphics cards that PC gamers have been clamoring for, and paying dearly for recently, versus cryptocurrency miner demand for the product.

>

>According to Hagens Berman, the above trio of companies together command 96 percent of the DRAM market currently. Their actions resulted in the price of 4GB of DRAM jumping 130 percent during the class period (July 1, 2016 through February 1, 2018). Interestingly enough, the trio of chip manufacturers also experienced more than a doubling in revenue between Q1 2016 and Q3 2017. How convenient…

>

>The lawsuit outlines the behavior, stating:

>>Defendants each made public statements affirming their commitment to the common plan to curtail supply, and to not compete for each other’s market share by supply expansion. For example, Defendants informed the other Defendants through public statements, that they would keep total wafer capacity flat in order to constrain DRAM supply growth, they would only grow DRAM supply between 15-20% in 2017, even as DRAM demand grew 20-25%, and that they would refrain from taking each other’s market share.

>

>It is also alleged that even though prices for DRAM more than doubled during the class period, the costs for Samsung, Micron and Hynix associated with producing the memory chips did not increase. Likewise, there were no major changes in process technology to justify the drastic increase in prices.

>

>If the Hagens Berman name sounds familiar, it’s because it was also the firm responsible for securing the aforementioned $300 million settlement against Samsung and Hynix. So, it has the experience in this type of litigation and the investigative know-how to see this case through to its eventual resolution.

>

>“What we’ve uncovered in the DRAM market is a classic antitrust, price-fixing scheme in which a small number of kingpin corporations hold the lion’s share of the market,” said Steve Berman, who serves as managing partner at Hagens Berman. “Instead of playing by the rules, Samsung, Micron and Hynix chose to put consumers in a chokehold, wringing the market for more profit.”

>

>What makes this case (PDF) so interesting is the breadth of devices it covers. Since DRAM is used in just about all of our computing devices, if you purchased a new smartphone, tablet, or computer in the past two years, you're probably able to join in on the lawsuit, which is seeking class action status. To inquire more about the class-action, including how to sign-up, you can visit the following link.

Original article: https://hothardware.com/news/samsung-hynix-and-micron-dram-class-action-suit-collusion (https://archive.is/4ehOz)

The class action lawsuit: https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/dram-price-fixing

I recommend reading the original article because it has worthwhile graphs and links. Class action lawsuit link will let you join. Anyone from the US who bought a PC, stick of RAM, or smartphone in the past few years can join, so if you want damages, go ahead.

I'm making a thread because this bullshit is highly /tech/-related and I didn't see a proper thread on this yet. I'm not in the habit of newsposting.

 No.951729>>953921

How is this surprising to anyone?


 No.951735

>US only

Fuck. Gooks deserve to burn for this bullshit though.

>inb4 RAM prices going even higher when AMD's Zen 2 comes out


 No.951769>>951777 >>951812 >>951916 >>951936 >>951939 >>952086 >>954223

Muh freemarket should be able to solve the price-fixing rackets. Why does this never actually pan out?


 No.951777>>953922


 No.951804>>951809 >>952078

Just go make your own DRAM. Problem solved.


 No.951805>>952064 >>952081

>>951692 (OP)

I returned my 16 core threadripper because I didn't price out my build before buying it and realized that I would have to spend over $1500 at least for the 128 GB of RAM I wanted for a Qubes rig.

I had not been paying attention to RAM prices the past few years and had no idea the price increased by 2.5 times.

I was bitter about it until I found out about Talos II systems, which I didn't realize were so open. Now I'm planning on getting one of those instead. The RAM prices will still fuck me over though.


 No.951809

>>951804

Literally just an nMOS and a cap. Child's play.


 No.951812>>951816 >>952078

>>951769

Just develop superior DRAM chips and sell it for less than those who are price fixing.


 No.951816>>951916 >>952078

>>951812

I think that was anon's point. Why doesn't some other kike come along and undercut the cabal.


 No.951916

>>951816

Because kikes are more or less united.

>>951769

Except none of the major powers is a free market.


 No.951936>>952004

>>951692 (OP)

So? The gaymer market deserves to be punished for their mindless consumerism. Just like NN this is a non-issue.

>>951769

>>>/reddit/


 No.951939>>951947 >>954223 >>966109

>>951769

>article describes how ram sales are not a free market due to a price fixing cartel

>you somehow try to blame that on the free market


 No.951947>>951951 >>952016

>>951939

>free market

>people are free to price fix

who the hell are you to say they can't decide a price among themselves in a free market? dumbass. make your own ram if you don't like their prices


 No.951951>>952016

>>951947

>who the hell are you to say they can't decide a price among themselves in a free market?

Because then its a monopoly not a free market.


 No.952004>>962915

>>951936

>>All RAM is horrifically overpriced due to a price fixing scheme by the RAM manufacturers

>So? The gaymer market deserves to be punished for their mindless consumerism. Just like NN this is a non-issue.

0/10 go back to >>>/4chan/ if you're just going to shitpost


 No.952016>>954223

>>951947

>who the hell are you to say they can't decide a price among themselves in a free market?

Are you seriously this stupid? When they collude and engage in a price-fixing scheme, it's no longer a free market. Do you even understand what "free market" means, dumbass? At a minimum, it requires that there are fucking options on the market. When you have no option it is no longer a free market. Don't opine about economics when you clearly don't have the foggiest clue about the most fundamental words in the subject.

>dumbass. make your own ram if you don't like their prices

You think making commercial-grade RAM is easy, son? They pack over a billion memory cells on a single stick. Don't open your mouth when you don't know the first thing about what you're telling others to do.

>>951951

Oligopoly. A monopoly is if a single company controls the market. Here it's a group of 3.


 No.952064>>952078 >>954223 >>958406

>>951805

Yeah prices are through the fucking roof. These companies need more competitors since they clearly can't be trusted to keep their shit in order. it isn't even the first time they've done this. There was a huge case in the US over the same 3 doing the exact same shit in 2006 also. The EU also fined 'em sometime later.


 No.952078>>954272

>>951804

>>951812

>>951816

>>952064

Try competing without violating (((somebody's))) (((intellectual property))). High-tech markets are oligopolies for a (((reason))).


 No.952081

>>951805

>I returned my 16 core threadripper because I didn't price out my build before buying it and realized that I would have to spend over $1500 at least for the 128 GB of RAM I wanted for a Qubes rig.

Good for you, once this lawsuit jews the jews over and RAM prices return to normal, you'll buy yourself a 32-core one :).


 No.952086>>952402 >>953924

>>951769

Free market principle only really applies to markets with low barriers to entry.

Manufacturing modern computer components is anything but easy to get into and therefore prone to cartels.


 No.952402>>954223 >>954272

>>952086

Patent law makes the whole situation a whole lot worse too. You'll be stuck reinventing the wheel and thanks to the magic of overbroad patents you might still get in trouble.


 No.953224>>962918

File (hide): 72fd986da7ad62c⋯.png (2.25 MB, 1468x1080, 367:270, doom train.png) (h) (u)

>antitrust finally underway for memory

>system building will become viable again

Cryptoniggers, your days are numbered.


 No.953921>>953927

>>951729

Capitalism is not working.


 No.953922

>>951777

Theyre the almost end result of any free market, the end one is complete monopoly.


 No.953924

>>952086

>Free market principle only really applies to markets with low barriers to entry.

No, it only applies over an infinite amount of time. Eventually everything will be worked out long after your dead.


 No.953927

>>953921

But it is.

Regulatory Capture -> Oligopoly -> Monopoly


 No.953928>>953930

isn't china getting into the DRAM market?


 No.953930>>955609

>>953928

Yeah. A Chinese manufacturer stole RAM manufacturing-related IP from Micron, sued them, and won both cash damages and an injunction against Micron selling in China. When it's Chinese vs foreigners, Chinese courts only rule in one direction.


 No.953932>>954272 >>962921

I bet there is a libtard or lolberg somewhere that claims the price gouging subject of this thread is caused 'too much' government or regulation.

protip; libertarianism is jewish, and the end result is all power and control in the hands of a few (((companies)))


 No.954223

>>951939

>>you somehow try to blame that on the free market

Weak or outright nonexistent antitrust law is one of the staples of the free market because ain't nobody need da gubmint and muh free market will sort itself

>>952016

>When they collude and engage in a price-fixing scheme, it's no longer a free market.

Companies are free to do what they want, aren't they? And you're free make your own DRAM too. Just bootstrap yourself a couple millions in capital and you're set. Also see >>951769

>>952064

>implying (((competition))) wil fix anything

Companies compete to screw you out of your money the most, not to provide the best service. If anything, a new company would get bought out, if not outright join the cartel.

>>952402

>Patent law makes the whole situation a whole lot worse too

<Oy vey! Why do you hate innovation, goy?

Don't forget you can get sued even if you were unaware of any infringements (patent law doesn't acknowledge independent invention).


 No.954272>>954404


 No.954404>>956494

>>954272

He was referring to antitrust law though and laissez-faire borderline ancap free market libertarians. Disgust for patent law is something that runs the entire political spectrum from the far-left to the far-right. The political dividing line on patents is typically pro-corporate vs normal people.

There's been research done on the benefits of patents and it usually turns out that in the long run patents only help rich companies stifle competition rather than foster innovation. Promoting innovation loses weight when it forces companies to re-innovate the same shit in a different way just to compete in a market.


 No.955609

>>953930

Details? I'm leery of Chinese knockoffs owing to their poor quality control, but busting open the RAM cartel would be a very good move.


 No.956494

>>954404

>patent law

>not government regulation


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 No.958407


 No.958581>>959105

>read hardware.info

>RAM prices are dropping in Q4 this year and 2019

Hooray!


 No.958618

>Samsung, Hynix and Micron slapped with CLASS ACTION SUIT over DRAM supply collusion & price gouging

What, again? haha who saw this coming?


 No.958728>>962249

>sorry guys, we won't do it again, promise


 No.959105

>>958581

Source?


 No.962249

>>958728

Well China is going to add a new competitor to the market, so hopefully the cartel situation will improve, although honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they joined the RAM cartel.


 No.962915>>965494

>>952004

>people are being jewish

>this should be illegal!

>even though we could just not buy anything from them

>>>/reddit/ you insufferable faggot. out with your kind


 No.962918>>966055

>>953224

>buying a bunch of proprietary "IP cores" that only 3 companies can make, and gluing them together will be viable again


 No.962921

>>953932

the end result of democracy is power being in the hand of a 1 or 2 entities and switching hands once in a while

the end result of government is power being in the hand of the government

the end result of regulation is a few pointless rules and power in the hand of some pricks


 No.965494

Looked around for any more knowledge on the state of the DRAM market. I found this piece by McKinsey from 2016. It gives an interesting overview over how the market has shifted from the past.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/semiconductors/our-insights/memory-are-challenges-ahead

>>962915

>you could just stop buying RAM

Once again the /pol/tard demonstrates why he is an imbecile. And stop whinging that people who call you out for being a tool should go to reddit. This ain't your safe space, kid. Get the fuck out already if you're gonna act a fool.


 No.965992>>966014

nice. fucking ram pricing aren't getting cheap and now everyone knows who is behind all this.

cryptoniggers and gaymergays should have the day of the rope.


 No.966014>>966055

>>965992

Not gaymers or cryptoniggers, it's the biggest kikes of them all: the semiconductor industry.


 No.966055>>966324

>>962918

Since there are precisely 0 alternatives, as has been the case from day 1 in the industry, what exactly is your point?

>>966014

Cryptoniggers don't have any great impact on RAM, but they certainly damage GPU prices, both by buying up GPUs for newer Ponzicoins, and eating up fab capacity needed by GPUs to make ASICs for older Ponzicoins.


 No.966108>>966118

So... basically US has become a fucking commie state and it is against free market now?


 No.966109>>966117 >>966310

>>951939

>i'm a manufacturer

>i built the factory where the products are done

>i hire and pay the people and machinery that do actually build the product

>i somehow not able to change at which rate i want to produce

yeah indeed, free market


 No.966110

>join class action suit to get $1 off affiliated game and / or toy for one month only

-or-

>initiate own suit to recover damages and face Mr. Burns' lawyer team

Oh gee I dunno what I'll do...


 No.966117>>966118 >>966152 >>966167

>>966109

Fellating the free market is is a very new/neocon thing, the US under the New Deal is probably communism to you faggots.


 No.966118


 No.966152>>966163

>>966117

Just fuck all regulation.


 No.966163

>>966152

Yeah, we should turn the entire world into a slum because it benefits our bottom line.


 No.966167

>>966117

FDR was quite literally a commie sympathizer at the very least, but today his welfare to work camp situation would be decried as slavery as his racial views would be decried as oh so stereotypical of the hated white male.

Your goalposts are moving but those of your dead heroes aren't, leftist scum.


 No.966194>>966310 >>966374

>read hardware.info

>Samsung and SKHynix are lowering RAM production

>this poster now is considering offing himself

Fuck this gay earth, cheap RAM never ever?


 No.966310>>966319

>>966109

>i'm a board member of a holding firm that owns intellectual property needed by any manufacturer

>i extracted royalties from people who used fractional reserve banker loans to hire people who know how to organize people who built the factory where the products are done

>i exercise cartel monopoly veto over the people who prospectively wish to hire and pay the people and machinery that do actually build the product

>i somehow not able to change at which rate i want to artificially restrict supply and cripple civilization solely to produce more profit at the cost of the society that honors my property claims on the understanding i exploit it efficiently

>>966194

That article noted this is due to "decreasing demand" (i.e.: price-gouging scaring away consumers), and even accounting for it, contracts on future RAM prices are already plummeting to the tune of 25% for year's end:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dram-memory-shortage-prices-nand,37627.html


 No.966319

>>966310

I really wish 16GB modules would become cheaper so I can get 64GB RAM in my P50, just for shit's 'n giggles. and VMs


 No.966324>>966344

>>966055

Good thing the day of the rope for cryptoniggers is here, in the form of cryptocurrency value dropping like a brick.

Vega 56's are under 500€ in Germany and I can get a V56 Nitro+ from caseking for under 500€ shipped, a far cry from early this year when they were 700€ plus!


 No.966344>>966350 >>966448

>>966324

>paying out the ass so you can pump the resolution on your game up so high that you can't even see the pixels on your latest AAA SJW-infected pay to win shitware

Holy fuck /g/ is over there you mong.


 No.966350>>966572

>>966344

>implying i'm getting a new GPU any time soon

I'm fine with my RX580, thanks. Don't need a better GPU since i'm sticking with 1080p until business QHD monitors are out. or when FreeSync WUXGA becomes a thing


 No.966374>>966441

>>966194

China is going to enter the market and flood it with cheap knockoff RAM. The other three will flip their shit and attempt to go legal on their ass except China will continue to give zero fucks. Before long they'll be forced to lower their RAM prices since they don't want their customers abandoning them in droves. There's no real chance that the new Chinese firm won't price war because they have no existing market share yet so they will need to take it from the others and that means they have to compete, not collaborate. But we don't know how long it will take them to get going.

Right now if you want cheap RAM though, try the 2nd hand market and get ready to test the shit out of them to make sure you don't have defective RAM.


 No.966441>>967538

>>966374

>China is going to enter the market and flood it with cheap knockoff RAM

I mean, RAM is RAM. It either has the capacity and runs at the rated speed, or it doesn't. I'm not usually in favor of China chinking industries into the ground but in this case it can't happen soon enough.


 No.966448

>>966344

>there aren't still good new titles releasing and moddable older titles that can benefit from a faster machine

>vidya is the only use for powerful hardware

>actually using computers is bad

>masturbating over paranoid buttnet fantasies even though (you) probably have zero value as either a security threat or an advertising demo is a valuable use of board space

>implicitly shilling against consumer activism, in support of corporate greed and cryptoponzi scammers, is okay

Fuck off


 No.966572

>>966350

>caring about resolution

>in CY+3

I'll care about resolution when I can get some panels with contrast and accuracy without the IPS or VA glow.


 No.967538

>>966441

>I mean, RAM is RAM. It either has the capacity and runs at the rated speed, or it doesn't.

With that kind of naive logic you're just begging to be taken advantage of. RAM can also develop errors and fail on you, anon.

>I'm not usually in favor of China chinking industries into the ground but in this case it can't happen soon enough.

Agreed.


 No.972982

Has anything come out of this yet?




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