/tech/ - Technology★

I use a project based approach. Think of something you want to do right now, it doesn't matter how difficult, just name it. Then work out what you'd need to know to make some progress, and chase down all dependency knowledge. As you go a long, you should also come up with smaller sub projects, just so you don't get too lost in the weeds. Perhaps this is called goal directed learning?

>>946337

Also, there sometimes is no shortcut. If you want to say work with high frequency radio, you need a solid grasp of advanced calculus/analysis.

>>946338

Not really.

As long as you know THE FORMULA and when to apply it you can crunch numbers without realizing what you're doing.

Once you start to investigate that mathematical black box, you'll need to have a grasp on advanced calculus

>>946344

And who comes up with the formula, genius? When I say "work with", I'm talking about designing projects to your exact specifications without someone else doing the work. The goal here is "learning" after all.

>>946337

just hack it until you make it

Work your way through text books and make sure to do enough of the problems. Kahn Academy is good, but it should supplement your learning. You'll need some calculus for physics. In the physics class I took, I think we also used a simple differential equation for a couple of proofs for quantum mechanics

Breathe the spirit, deep.

0x0 - Electronics & circuits:

Practical Electronics for Inventors. Monk & co.

Buy an Arduino/Teensy/ESP32 and start playing:

Blink LEDs,

LCD display,

Button debounce,

Pulse width modulation,

Sensory action/reaction,

SIM card module,

SD card module,

Interrupt management,

Multitasking,

...

Programming FPGAs. Monk.

Buy a Lattice ice40 based FPGA board (very cheap ~20$) and use the icestorm open source

tool chain to run synthesis, generate bitstream and upload to a board.

The hardware hacker. Huang.

Hacking the Xbox. Huang.

PCB reverse engineering. Tiong.

Top projects: phone (i.e. ZeroPhone), a CPU architecture, networked device, ...

Ultimate project: Design a board with an ATmega328p implementing your own CPU and instruction set

with an SRAM/EEPROM module (Memory) and an SD card module (hard drive).

Design a language and a compiler for that instruction set.

Design an OS for the whole board.

Can also be implemented on an FPGA.

--> this should get you aquainted with the embedde world's tools and challenges.

0x1 - Programming:

The Zen of Assembly Language. Abrash.

Professional Assembly Language. Blum.

Introduction to Algorithms. Cormen & co.

The C programming language. K & R.

The C++ programming language. Stroustrup.

Programming in Python. Summerfield.

The Art of Unix Programming. Raymond.

Programming FORTH. Pelc.

Compilers: principles, techniques and tools. Aho & co.

Engineering a compiler. Cooper & co.

The Graphics programming Blackbook. Abrash.

Jim Blinn's work: http://www.jimblinn.com/publications/

OpenMP/MPI/PGAS/SHMEM parallel programming paradigms

Intel/AMD/ARM documentation.

Agner Fog's material on code optimization. agner.org

What every programmer should know about memory. Drepper.

Code optimization: effective memory usage. Kaspersky.

What every computer scientist should know about floating-point arithmetic. Goldberg.

Introduction to Data Compression. Sayood.

The Art of debugging with GDB: Salzman & co.

0x3 - Security

Applied cryptography. Schneier.

Practical cryptography.Schneier.

Engineering cryptography. Schneier.

Practical Malware Analysis. Skochinski.

Hacking: the art of exploitation. Erickson.

The Shellcoder's Handbook. Anley & co.

0x3 - Math

Concrete Mathematics. Knuth.

Handbook of Mathematics. Bronshtein.

Numerical Recipes in C. Flannery & co.

Hacker's Delight. Warren.

Algorithmic Graph theory. Gibbons.

Scientific Programming and Computer Architecture. Viswanath.

At the end, it all comes down to what do you wanna play with. Take a subject get to play with its concepts. Always keep it fun because it is fun. Read code, write code as much as you can, optimize, play around with different compilers on different CPU architectures, compare serial vs. parallel versions, ...

Never adopt a position on a tool or its group philosophy, keep it all pragmatic fun. Religious tendencies tend to fuck up the experience. Prioritise Freedom & collaboration, it always pays back in ways you can't imagine. If a tool isn't good enough, write your own or STFU. And always, RTFM !!!!

>>946374

I did stress that you can't always take a shortcut though, the project or goal is there to provide motivation to learn, not an excuse to look for a cookbook solution.

>>946391

> Kahn Academy is good

It's actually quite elementary.

>>946397

Mhm, and how much of this have you read?

What is worth learning from these websites? Could you use say Khan Academy and then use that to do decent enough coding or web design that you could make a living off of it?

>>946415

All of it. I'm old!

>>946371

You can look that shit up, there's countless places where you can search and find any random formula for your design.

Then they are used to calculate the values of the components you need, you don't need to make up your own formulas.

If you want to understand how the formula came to be, that's another way more complicated thing.

For example, I can tell you that the loss on free space of electromagnetic waves equals 20*log(frequency)+20log(distance)+20log((4*pi)/299792458) and you can test it, and it will be true, why is it true, that's way more complicated.

>>946435

Anon wanted to know how to add structure to his self directed learning, even a nigger can look up cookbook formulas, but that does not equate to understanding. What makes you any better than a pajeet who "programs" by copy+pasting from stack overflow?

>>946411

>It's actually quite elementary.

Which is why I said it should supplement your learning.

>>946445

Well then, good luck climbing a mountain created by standing on other peoples work.

>>946451

After highschool, you shouldn't have much use for it.

A search engine and library genesis is all you need.

>>946453

Holy fuck you're an obtuse brainlet, aren't you? I also figure from the reply time that you're the Kahn Academy advocate in this thread too, Kahn Academy is actually all you deserve.

> standing on other peoples work.

Other people can teach you to gain an understanding, not everyone has to be like you, and just copy down their results. Whatever it is you do in life, will be replaced by Artificial intelligence. Why wouldn't you, by your own feeble minded admissions, you're actually worthless.

>>946458

you->it, but I suppose we might as well replace you while we're at it.

>>946335 (OP)

>independent

>class structure

Maybe rethink some things.

>>946435

>You can look that shit up, there's countless places where you can search and find any random formula

The absolute state of /tech/

>>946454

>After highschool, you shouldn't have much use for it.

I will admit I'm not very familiar with Kahn Acadamy and have only seen a couple of thier videos about Calculus and Physics. I've never used them for highschool level material so I don't understand where you are coming from.

>>946458

Nope, you got that wrong, I don't stick to a single thread, or even a single webpage.

And you're the one who's obtuse, you don't understand how much shit there's behind that and how many years of cumulative research are there compressed in a single formula.

>>946462

>/tech/ forget everything that has been done before

>>946466

>I don't stick to a single thread, or even a single webpage.

Oh wow, not even the same webpage!? You're a real scholar mate.

>you don't understand how much shit there's behind that

Well let's see, you advocate searching for random formulas, and I recommend learning the theory behind how those formulas are derived, I wonder which one of us has a greater understanding. I'll have to stop this conversation though, because every time you reply I feel more sorrow for you.

>>946469

Because clearly you have no clue about the matter and you're running out of LARP posts.

What you're advocating for is a humongous waste of time that will get him at most some mathematical entertainment, it won't help OP at all.

>>946417

>>946397

hey dad, dig the list. I've half read a couple and have completely read and own a couple more.

thanks for posting, seems like a based and redpilled approach

>>946471

You will never be hired as an engineer Pajeet. Turns out that mathematical entertainment is a deal breaker.

>>946435

>>946344

this guy is objectively correct, it comes down to OPs goals.

cs =! programming

>>946474

>independent studies

>working as engineer

What's next?

He gets the girl at the end of the movie?

>>946473

No way but the hard way, reading matters not, doing with what one learns is when shit starts to get real.

>>946481

It depends what OP means by "studies". To me that is an academic track, but to many here that seems to entail no more than tinkering with an Arduino and Plug'n Chug formulas. I frankly don't care what any of you do, my only recommendation was to set a project you can work towards as motivation. It is important to note however, that once you reach a certain level of difficulty, you'll have to learn some math, and I'll also add physics.

>>946476

Actually he's (or more likely you same-fagging) is objectively wrong. Without being well versed in the theory behind the formulas you're reading, you will not know how to apply them properly, or you'll pick the wrong one, or misconfigure it. His/your worthless posts were just a trauma-induced response because the math recommendation reminded the poster that they were a brainlet.

>>946483

irrelevant to the argument

>>946490

demonstrably false

>>946483

oops sorry ignore this >>946531 and thanks again, thought you were replying to >>946476

>>946536

That's nice, boo.

>>946536

How is searching for information in your microelectronic books functionally different from searching it on google?

>>946536

Also all this shit started because I told some moron that no, you don't need to understand every concept behind radio to work with radio.

You morons assumed a load of shit about me and I just limited to reply back.

>>946545

You're asking the wrong question, because a reference book or a reference website could do the same thing*. What you're really asking is the difference between a textbook and a reference. That is simple, since a textbook is pedagogically arranged information to teach in a progression that lends itself well to comprehension, where the information is coupled with worked examples and problem sets. A reference will be a terse presentation of facts to aid someone who already has comprehension of the subject matter. You may find that some textbooks are useful for both. If OP wants to learn, I recommend he studies a textbook instead of using a blackbox formulas.

*The big advantage with books is that they are more often than not, well curated and self contained as opposed to scattered notes you might find online.

>>946546

Anon is just saying that more advanced topics will require more advanced preparatory dependencies. I am not sure why you resorted to contrarian sophistry.

>>946557

The bad side of the books is exactly the good side, you find every bit of information already curated, there's no mistakes to learn from, but there's no mistakes to get mislead with.

Now comes the age old question, do you learn more from having someone with a charred hand tell you that fire burns or getting burned yourself.

Also the philosophy behind learning here is bad, really bad, you guys take the whole subject and throw it at people without even knowing their background, if you do that you're going to overwhelm the people that are starting to learn and possibly scare them away.

It's best to start simple, with the matemagical black boxes, once you have a good grasp on the general idea you should start getting deeper knowledge about specific stuff, for example, still hanging onto the radio shit, ionosphere reflections.

>>946560

I won't object to the idea that you need to mix theory and practise, and also that many textbooks are quite awful (go with what the top universities use). If playing around first helps than OP should do it, but at a certain point, you're going to need to a certain mathematical maturity to understand the wave equations.

The famous Art of Electronics textbook is a good example of a textbook that tries to really push intuition over theory, but from what I've seen, it's just a bit too hard to grasp for students as an introductory electronics book (it goes from 0-60 quite quickly). After a basic and boring circuits course, suddenly it becomes an amazing resource.

>>946560

>Now comes the age old question, do you learn more from having someone with a charred hand tell you that fire burns or getting burned yourself.

>H-how should I learn calculus

<Just mess around and figure it out yourself

I do not think this method is that effective.

>>946566

Don't conveniently ignore the last part of my post where I say that you should start building the background up by looking up equations and messing with them until you get the general idea.

>>946536

>Where is that even implied?

IME, people tend towards a more theoretical standpoint when preaching programming pedagogy (as seen above). While I agree with this for my own goals, if you just want to roll a simple script, you don't need to understand the reasoning behind a lot of formula and concepts. This is where the other guy was objectively correct. For example, if you want your program to compute the area of a square and you're comfortable being a turbo brainlet, look up the formula and square away.

It's analogous to learning how a car functions mechanically vs learning how to drive, in a sense. The most important thing of course is finding out OPs real goals here, not prescribing him with one's own individual and biased approach.

And no, I'm not that other guy, but he had a point despite it being wrapped up in anti-maths brainletisms.

>>946729

Ahh, I think it just came across a bit as.

>H-How do I learn guys

<Just copy+paste shit from stack overflow

>>946735

kek yeah. I guess maybe I'm projecting a little bit because personally I'd be a lot more productive and battle-hardened if I'd read less and smash code together via copy+paste and tinkering more (and tackle some projects in /dpt/ and such). I guess what I'm getting at is there's certainly a balance to be maintained somewhere in between both sides of the argument.

>>946560

>there's no mistakes to get mislead with

Quick question. How many books have you read?

Alright, I'll help ya, promethean fire from the tribe to you. These will melt your goy brain if you don't read them roughly in order. Read as many in parallel as you can. Physics in red

Have you taken the Ashkenazi Pill yet? It's a tough pill to swallow

>Richard Courant - Introduction to Calculus and Analysis

>Linear Algebra - Shilov (student of Israel Gelfand) or Linear Algebra Done right - Sheldon Axler

<Feynman Lectures in Physics

>Ordinary Differential Equations - Vladimir I. Arnol'd

<Mathematical Methods Of Classical Mechanics - Vladimir I. Arnol'd

<Classical mechanics - Herbert Goldstein

<Landau and Lifshitz - Course of Theoretical Physics (volumes 1-10)

>Advanced Calculus - Shlomo Sternberg

>Principles of Mathematical Analysis and Real and Complex Analysis - Walter Rudin

I've left many good ones out, but this will get ya started. Shalom from Israel.

>>947062

And a Sieg Heil to you too. Stay doing maths instead of social engineering subversion and you don't get gassed. At most deported if you step out of your containment desert.

>>947104

I was only pretending to be a Jew. TFW National Socialist at heart, but conflicted over respect for many positive contributions to the sciences that Jews have made, even if Einstein's are slightly embellished. During the National Socialist period, David Hilbert even commented on this:

>Hilbert attended a banquet and was seated next to the new Minister of Education, Bernhard Rust. Rust asked whether "the Mathematical Institute really suffered so much because of the departure of the Jews". Hilbert replied, "Suffered? It doesn't exist any longer, does it!"

Perhaps the best solution is to confine Jews to things they do quite well, and stamp out the social engineering for good.

>>947133

[cont] Perhaps I'll do an "Aryan pill" list of math and physics later, but it's really hard to avoid Landau. A "soviet pill" would be easy to comprise thus, which would allow me to strongly recommend Shafarevich's linear algebra text. Funny enough he's was accused of anti-semitism.

>>947062

if you haven't already done at least calculus and can't comfortably do proofs, for the love of god don't take this anons meme-troll advice OP, for your own sake.

They're all excellent recommendations and top tier books, but if you're rusty in basic high school math this will just be an enormously inefficient use of your time. Courant is notoriously difficult, even more so than Spivak. Shilov is a very difficult and non intuitive introduction to LA, as it is meant for a second treatment, and rightfully so.

And as a response to this anon, have you read all these books personally?

Personally, I do agree with starting just above your comfort level in maths and filling in the blanks as you go along (as opposed to going back to first grade maths and inching forward). But the above list is a bit much unless OP is already a maths major or equally self educated.

If you're rusty with high school math, start with Stewart, if it's too ez try Spivak. Fill in the gaps accordingly as you go.

>>947143

after stewart/spivak, start with a physics text if that's what you want. but don't worry about that yet, you'll be able to make a better book choice after finishing stewart/spivak, and either one is a big, long book, so it's gonna be awhile anyway.

im still tryna learn how to learn foriegn languages, so no advice there, but glhf

>>947143

> start with Stewart

Use a book that's on what, it's 16th edition? No one should touch that literal faggot's college scam book. Spivak or Apostol are much better alternatives to Stewart.

Courant's book is designed for someone who has finished highschool. I am also making the assumption that a person on /tech/ has a higher IQ than the average man. You could also read his 'What is Mathematics?' If you wanted a more general survey of the landscape, and if your highschool was shit, Gelfand has some elementary books on Trigonometry, and Algebra.

>, have you read all these books personally?

Pretty much with the exception of the Landau series which I have only made slight progress in. I either have familiarity with the others or have gone through alternatives I deem of comparable difficulty. In some cases the more 'difficult' books are easier than those listed, but I was sticking to a (((theme))).

>>947146

>Use a book that's on what, it's 16th edition

you can pirate any addition. I should say that the stewart recommendation only holds if OP isn't looking to buy necessarily. though it is often dirt cheap at thrift stores around unis. There is a plethora of intro calc books that will suffice, but this is the one I had personal experience with.

Secondly, I did misread Courant - I thought you were referencing his "differential and integral calculus" book. I have no experience with the book you've actually recommended, but it sounds more applicable at least.

WiM? and Gelfand are both solid recs. I also like Axler and https://www.expii.com/ for more 'precalc' like stuff.

>Pretty much with the exception of the Landau

nice. I hope to be there soon enough, I'm about halfway through the list if you include "alternatives I deem of comparable difficulty".

rec some /prog/ books?

>>947152

Argh, I cannot stand reading on my computer, so despite the fact that I have over 50 gigs of books on my hard drive, I do have to buy deadtree books for ones I really like.

>>rec some /prog/ books?

>Introduction to algoritms

>Sipser - Introduction to the theory of computation

>The 'Dragon Book' for compilers was quite nice (goes well with Sipser)

>Knuth's Art of Computer Programming

I unironically like this one, but it is only something I dip into every now and then, I won't claim to have read it cover to cover, but it's absolutely full of gems.

>Russel, Norvig - Artificial Intelligence

>The Little Schemer books are fun

>Tanenbaum's OS book was good

And of course for each language, try to read from the designers themselves, or those on the language committees.

Probably forgot to list some good ones, but I'm more interested in learning physics and electronics at the moment, so that's where my mind is at.

>>947155

>can't stand reading from computer

I know ereaders (actual e-ink readers) are computers too, but fwiw they make it somewhat more /comfy/. not quite dead tree levels of comfort, but certainly closer than the traditional laptop LCD squinting that I also dislike.

thx for the recs, I see ur also a patrician meme-canon master.

>And of course for each language, try to read from the designers themselves, or those on the language committees.

interesting and sensible, thanks! I'll keep that in mind ffr.

if you don't mind another question, is

<Feynman Lectures in Physics

>Ordinary Differential Equations - Vladimir I. Arnol'd

<Mathematical Methods Of Classical Mechanics - Vladimir I. Arnol'd

really your recommend progression? I've been meaning to dive into more advanced classical mechanics and physics in general (I took a calc based mechanics intro awhile ago), but a lot of the intro books are a bit watered down mathematically and it's weird reading maths without proofs. I hear Arnold is a good physics book for mathematicians though

>>947189

Feynman is good, but you need the problem sets that are sold with it to make it more useful.

The progression was ruined slightly by the theme, but two books you might like are Kleppner's introduction to Mechanics, there is a nice one on Newtonian Mechanics by A.P. French, a bit wordier than Kleppner. I haven worked through Kleppner, but it seems to be quite popular, and supposedly contains hard problems (I don't believe it has any Lagrangian mechanics). Definitely read anything by V.I. Arnol'd afterwards though.

>>946344

complete bullshit

is it even worth learning to code any more?

>>947241

Depends. Why do you want to learn?

>>947241

Depends on what is your intent. If you're interested in the art of programming, to learn what it takes to craft the software we use everyday, then it is worth the effort. If you're interested in being a professional coder, I still think it's worth the effort because I don't see the use of software decreasing in the near future.

>>947241

this >>947277, git gud or die

>>946335 (OP)

Khan Academy is shit. Get a nanodegree from Udacity instead.

https://www.udacity.com/nanodegree

>>947316

>micropenis certificate

fuck off

>>947320

At what age did your obsession with dick begin?

>>947255

>>947277

As a means to make an income in a first world country.

The problem with saying the need to code won't go down the number of shitskins isn't going down either. You can always hire a pajeet company to copy and paste the code together than hire a team of 2-3 guys in a first world country to fix it up once it's done. This is how 3D modeling is working these days. If it's not a main focus of the game they outsource it to India, China or Korea and then have someone in the big home studio pick the good quality ones, discard the rest and fix up what needs fixing up.

>>947355

If you believe that asian programmers will do a good enough job, then there is no point in hiring non-asian programmers. If this is true, then don't study programming for the purpose of getting a job because that job won't exist for you.

>>947189

>not quite dead tree levels of comfort

That very much depends. If your book has a quad-digit page count, the e-reader wins due to the sheer weight difference.

>>947405

>Being this weak.

>>947409

Which part of "comfort" you do not understand?

>>947459

Did you grow up on the moon or something, what sort of bitch boy finds heavy books uncomfortable?

>>947479

One who has to deal with multiple books daily. A scholar and a researcher.

>>947152

>Secondly, I did misread Courant - I thought you were referencing his "differential and integral calculus" book.

I see where the confusion lies. Courant's classic which he wrote in the 1930s was later revised by one of his students, Fritz in the 1960s (I believe). The new work comprises two volumes and includes the above along with some introductory chapters. The difficulty should be similar to Apostol or Spivak.

Textbooks back then were fantastic, because they didn't need to dumb the content down for an audience of retards. Now that even niggers (and waste of space NPCs) are put through university calculus courses, you have a whole host of uninspired watered-down texts which don't demand too much from the readers. As far as I'm aware, Russian and German books are still top notch though.

>>947600

>German books are still top notch

But that's rayciss'! How will all those Syrian future engineers learn then? Have sympathy for your fellow black citizens.

>>947722

It's just very sad what has happened to Germany. In a sense, you could say that we're all going to suffer for that loss, as they'll never be the Optimal Deutschland they should hav been. Hopefully Switzerland and Austria can step up, high quality people there too.

>>947577

What do you research, soy?

>>946462

SAD!

>>946397

Theres more subjects than computers, although they are fascinating.

Add practical subjects like automotive, carpentry, how to control people, management, finance, criminal forensics to know what not to do.

>>947277

We'll have AI doing computer programming, so its becoming obsolete.

>>951409

And who programs the AI, genius?

>>946397

based oldposter

>>951409

I don't understand how that would happen until we have some kind of reductionist model of general intelligence. Do you have examples today of AI modifying any software to better achieve user desires?

>>946335 (OP)

http://www.classicalcurriculum.com/ModelCurriculum.htm

>>951451

What an amazing resource, thanks a lot. I've often thought about comprising something like this for when I have children, but now most of that work has been done for me.

>>946335 (OP)

Get a book and read a chapter/section, try the examples, try modifying them and do the exercises. Don't underline or take notes during the first reading, instead re-read the chapter/section and take notes/underline on the 2nd reading. Try to find relevant lectures on JewTube. Try watching some MIT lectures, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&list=PLE18841CABEA24090